From p-collector at gmx.com Mon Feb 1 09:22:13 2010 From: p-collector at gmx.com (D E) Date: Mon Feb 1 09:22:59 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? Message-ID: <20100201162240.269490@gmx.com> Ok - I found out why it won't mount, but that leaves me with another question. According to Windows, Grub, the Bios, etc... my hard disk is the primary master/HDA/SDA/HD0 whatever. But According to the KERNEL, it's sd_B_. Linux is seeing some kind of ghost 8MB drive as sda. Don't ask me where it's coming from, because I have no idea. All I know is that if I increase the letter of each drive (sda->sdb, sbd->sdc, etc...) then all of a sudden everything is found and mounted properly. I'm at a loss to figure out where this 8MB sda is comming from but in the mean time I'll live. --- Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Remo Mattei Sent: 01/31/10 05:31 PM To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? You can use any x you like just start with gnome Inviato da iPhone Il giorno Feb 1, 2010, alle ore 8:09, D ha scritto: > On 1/31/2010 5:00 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: >> Try the normal ubunto version :) >> >> Inviato da iPhone >> >> Il giorno Feb 1, 2010, alle ore 7:27, D ha >> scritto: >> >>> On 1/31/2010 4:22 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: >>>> That line is correct if it comes from grub :) it starts as read >>>> only. I >>>> would use something else than gentoo :) just my personal preference >>>> (debian,centos, slackware) >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> Remo >>>> >>> Gentoo has always worked best for me. I tried installing Kubuntu >>> but the installer craps out every time I start it and the mini-ISO >>> doesn't recognize my wireless nic. >>> The line is from the menu.lst/grub.conf file. > > I did. same effect - plus I can't stand gnome! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:4b661c1898511071819183! > ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100201/1f9ae4f7/attachment.html From p-collector at gmx.com Mon Feb 1 09:27:30 2010 From: p-collector at gmx.com (D E) Date: Mon Feb 1 09:33:20 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? Message-ID: <20100201163309.269480@gmx.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Remo Mattei Sent: 01/31/10 10:32 PM To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? I will agree with you guys. Not sure why he picked that filesystem but oh well it's his laptop. :) I also agree on the 1024 which I have not seen it for a while on a system..... I wonder if he can run a live cd and then update grub :) Ciao Remo It was a tossup between that and JFS. I started with JFS and was wondering if JFS was at fault before I figured out what was up (see my last message). Since it was already formatted as XFS when I got it up I just decided to stick with XFS. I know it's meant for huge installs, but it's less hassle than wiping out and reinstalling as JFS. And don't mention ext3 please. It's too slow, and has a 2gb file size limit. Although I don't plan on storing a ton of huge files, I do want to be able to store a 3-4 GB file at least temporarily. --- Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100201/4690396b/attachment.htm From jshatch at azza.com Mon Feb 1 09:41:46 2010 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Mon Feb 1 09:43:51 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <20100201163309.269480@gmx.com> References: <20100201163309.269480@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4B67044A.3050804@azza.com> On 02/01/2010 09:27 AM, D E wrote: > And don't mention ext3 please. It's too slow, and has a 2gb file size > limit. Although I don't plan on storing a ton of huge files, I do > want to be able to store a 3-4 GB file at least temporarily. That statement is false. While that 2GiB limit may have been the case some years ago, nowadays ext3 and ext4 have huge file size limits, even on 32 bit machines. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits The lowest max size possible is 16GiB. Also, it isn't slow, clunky, etc. It's rather snappy, especially on a workstation. I swear by it. ext4 is even faster and has a 16TiB file size limit. Jarom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100201/87d285e1/signature.pgp From p-collector at gmx.com Mon Feb 1 09:47:54 2010 From: p-collector at gmx.com (D) Date: Mon Feb 1 09:48:07 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <4B67044A.3050804@azza.com> References: <20100201163309.269480@gmx.com> <4B67044A.3050804@azza.com> Message-ID: <4B6705BA.4010903@gmx.com> On 2/1/2010 9:41 AM, Jarom Hatch wrote: > That statement is false. While that 2GiB limit may have been the case > some years ago, nowadays ext3 and ext4 have huge file size limits, even > on 32 bit machines. see: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits > > The lowest max size possible is 16GiB. > > Also, it isn't slow, clunky, etc. It's rather snappy, especially on a > workstation. I swear by it. ext4 is even faster and has a 16TiB file > size limit. > > Jarom > > Where have I been? :) Never even heard of ext4. Is it in the kernel? I don't recall seeing it in the make menuconfig, but I may have missed it. So now the only issue is converting from XFS to Ext4 or something. -- Dan From sllug at ryansimpkins.com Mon Feb 1 10:42:41 2010 From: sllug at ryansimpkins.com (Ryan Simpkins) Date: Mon Feb 1 10:42:53 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: [Fwd: February PLUG Meeting: Beginning Arduino] Message-ID: <35387.64.0.193.18.1265046161.squirrel@callisto.ryansimpkins.com> I know there are a lot of hardware hackers, and hardware hacker wanna-bes (like me) up north. You guys are invited too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: February 10th, 2010 Time: 7:30 PM - 9:30 PM Location: Omniture (Adobe) http://www.plug.org PLUG: If you have ever wanted to break in to the world of hardware hacking we have a treat for you this month. Arduino is an open hardware platform that lowers the barrier to really advanced embedded system designs. There are several interchangeable attachments (shields) you can add to your Arduino to increase its functionality. The basic board can be powered via USB, and there is an open source IDE available that will run on the most common OS platforms (including Linux). The Arduino platform has gathered a lot of interest from those that are new to the world of embedded programming due to its low cost and ease of use. Any geek worth his salt can get involved with limited time and financial investment. This month PLUG is pleased to have Matthew Walker and Matt Nelson join forces to give us all an introductory look at Arduino. They will cover what you need to get started, basic circuit design, sensors, and more. Matt and Matt will have some examples of things you might want to get if you're interested in this platform. If you own a *duino please bring it to the meeting and show off your 750 point breadboarded robotics platform. ;-) A full starter kit (everything you need) costs between $40-$60. While we couldn't get a user group discount from any of the distributors we asked, there is a possibility we can do a group purchase and get a volume discount if there is enough interest. >From Matthew Walker: I've been a web developer for the last ten years, and I love programming. I have a consulting business, but I'm also employed full time at Marketecture, right across the street from Omniture. My preferred languages are Perl and PHP, but I like acquiring new skills, and have recently started to get into Android and Arduino development. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */ From matthew at azza.com Mon Feb 1 10:44:16 2010 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Mon Feb 1 10:44:32 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <4B6705BA.4010903@gmx.com> References: <20100201163309.269480@gmx.com> <4B67044A.3050804@azza.com> <4B6705BA.4010903@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4B6712F0.5060706@azza.com> On 02/01/2010 09:47 AM, D wrote: > Where have I been? :) Never even heard of ext4. Is it in the kernel? I > don't recall seeing it in the make menuconfig, but I may have missed it. > > So now the only issue is converting from XFS to Ext4 or something. ext4 went stable with the 2.6.28 kernel, so if you're running that or newer, it should be there (you may have to enable it if you're doing custom builds, of course). Converting from xfs to ext4 isn't possible without reformatting, so you would have three options there: 1. Reinstall your OS 2. use a tool like 'rsync' to copy the filesystem to an external drive, then reformat, copy the files back, and change your configs to mount as ext4 vs. xfs. 3. Keep using xfs, because it's already working and will probably keep work just fine. Just as an aside, Novell uses ext3 for the default filesystem in their latest enterprise OS (SLES 11), and they use ext4 as of openSUSE 11.2. Red Hat/Fedora and Ubuntu (among others) also use ext3/4 by default. In my opinion, it's the most stable and best supported filesystem for Linux. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100201/42aaa8f0/signature.pgp From remo at italy1.com Mon Feb 1 14:47:16 2010 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Mon Feb 1 14:47:33 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <20100201162240.269490@gmx.com> Message-ID: The 8 mb is default to windows when they format the drive it?s just windows crap!!! On 2/1/10 08:22 , "D E" wrote: > Ok - I found out why it won't mount, but that leaves me with another question. > According to Windows, Grub, the Bios, etc... my hard disk is the primary > master/HDA/SDA/HD0 whatever. But According to the KERNEL, it's sd_B_. Linux is > seeing some kind of ghost 8MB drive as sda. Don't ask me where it's coming > from, because I have no idea. All I know is that if I increase the letter of > each drive (sda->sdb, sbd->sdc, etc...) then all of a sudden everything is > found and mounted properly. > > > > I'm at a loss to figure out where this 8MB sda is comming from but in the mean > time I'll live. > > > > --- Dan > > > > > ? > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Remo Mattei >> >> Sent: 01/31/10 05:31 PM >> >> To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions >> >> Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? >> >> ? >> >> You can use any x you like just start with gnome >> >> Inviato da iPhone >> >> Il giorno Feb 1, 2010, alle ore 8:09, D ha >> scritto: >> >>> > On 1/31/2010 5:00 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: >>>> >> Try the normal ubunto version :) >>>> >> >>>> >> Inviato da iPhone >>>> >> >>>> >> Il giorno Feb 1, 2010, alle ore 7:27, D ha >>>> >> scritto: >>>> >> >>>>> >>> On 1/31/2010 4:22 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: >>>>>> >>>> That line is correct if it comes from grub :) it starts as read >>>>>> >>>> only. I >>>>>> >>>> would use something else than gentoo :) just my personal preference >>>>>> >>>> (debian,centos, slackware) >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>>>> >>>> Remo >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> Gentoo has always worked best for me. I tried installing Kubuntu >>>>> >>> but the installer craps out every time I start it and the mini-ISO >>>>> >>> doesn't recognize my wireless nic. >>>>> >>> The line is from the menu.lst/grub.conf file. >>> > >>> > I did. same effect - plus I can't stand gnome! >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________________________________ >>> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> > sllug-members@sllug.org >>> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > ? > > !DSPAM:4b6700cc194118477513315! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:4b6700cc194118477513315! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100201/9ce0bf11/attachment.html From roger at itigger.com Tue Feb 2 09:11:08 2010 From: roger at itigger.com (Roger Smith) Date: Tue Feb 2 09:11:11 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <3B9FC04A-F3A6-4A86-BBB5-BE8FC44F6E4F@azza.com> References: <4B6611E0.4000802@gmx.com> <6F04F36E-D648-4EFF-B24E-97DCA391AE73@italy1.com> <3B9FC04A-F3A6-4A86-BBB5-BE8FC44F6E4F@azza.com> Message-ID: > On Jan 31, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > >> Try the normal ubunto version :) It is probably scsi, sata, sata_nv, dm_raid or some other driver that is missing. Boot up using a rescue disk, mount and chroot into the system, run depmod against the kernel you will be using, and mkinitrd. The usage with mkinitrd will change based on what version you are using but the syntax usually only varies slightly. You will also want to run lsmod to see what modules the rescue system is using, it may give you a hint of what you are missing. You can add such modules to something like /etc/modules before you run depmod to make sure you include all the modules and dependencies that you need into your initrd. These are fairly generic instructions and you will have to do more research based on the distribution you are using. But it is my guess it is a missing a driver dependency. example: depmod 2.6.31-2-amd64 mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.6.31-2-amd64.img 2.6.31-2-amd64 Off topic: I hardly see how this question warrants a distribution war. It doesn't matter what distribution you are using or why, it has nothing to do with the question. Diverting the question, IMO, is one of the biggest and most common disservices associated with this type of technical discussion. -Roger From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 11:18:49 2010 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue Feb 2 11:18:57 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime: Vim 101 and Beyond Message-ID: Well, it's that time of month again, time to come to BetaLoftSLC, eat some lunch (brown bagging is encouraged) and listen to a good technical talk. This month, we have Mr. Adam Barrett, a Senior Software Developer at SOS Staffing in Salt Lake City, who will be taking some time to talk with us about Vim. Here is a little snippet from Adam: Vim 101 and Beyond Vim is the editor of choice for many developers and power users. It's a "modal" text editor based on the vi editor written by Bill Joy in the 1970s for a version of UNIX. It inherits the key bindings of vi, but also adds a great deal of functionality and extensibility that are missing from the original vi. This session will cover the beginnings (101) and the first set of intermediate (201) modes and commands for vim. If you would like to join us, just head on down via train, car (parking is free on the street for two hours just east and west of BetaLoftSLC), walk or bike to: WHEN Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:30am-1:00pm WHERE BetaLoft SLC 357 W 200 S #201 Salt Lake City, Utah Map: http://snipr.com/betaloft-slc-map) Come learn some tips and tricks about Vim. We hope to see you all there. Cheers, Clint From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 14:34:11 2010 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Tue Feb 2 14:34:41 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: References: <20100201162240.269490@gmx.com> Message-ID: <2e84de771002021334k5cc13794vf5fbd11402d7667f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > The 8 mb is default to windows when they format the drive it?s just windows > crap!!! No. You'll notice that he said it shows a 'ghost' _drive_, not a ghost _partition_. And IIRC, doesn't Windows XP just leave that missing segment unpartitioned, in which case you wouldn't even see it unless you went into fdisk? D: What does dmesg say about this drive? ('dmesg | grep sda') I vaguely recall that some systems will do this for some ACPI-related things, but I forget the details. -- Mike Heath From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Feb 2 15:08:50 2010 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Feb 2 15:09:13 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <2e84de771002021334k5cc13794vf5fbd11402d7667f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100201162240.269490@gmx.com> <2e84de771002021334k5cc13794vf5fbd11402d7667f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265148530.29326.2002.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> I've had laptops that setup a swap/suspend partition under XP, but that is AFTER the main c: partition, and a partition, not a drive, as you say. But it is a "ghost" partition in that it isn't usually visible from XP. Sometimes the manufacturer installs some recovery stuff in that partition (or another) as well, bootable from the POST menu with a special keystroke. But again, those are partitions, not drives. USB (especially U3) drives often set up a separate ghost drive (usually visible as a CDROM) in addition to the USB r/w data drive. But those also show up AFTER the usual /dev/sda drive. I'd also be curious what dmesg says about this. You might want to consider configuring grub and/or /etc/fstab to mount the root partition you want by UUID, if the drive letter monikers are moving around. I usually don't find UUIDs terribly helpful, but this may be just the case for them. On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 14:34 -0700, Michael Heath wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > > The 8 mb is default to windows when they format the drive it?s just windows > > crap!!! > > No. You'll notice that he said it shows a 'ghost' _drive_, not a ghost > _partition_. And IIRC, doesn't Windows XP just leave that missing > segment unpartitioned, in which case you wouldn't even see it unless > you went into fdisk? > > > D: What does dmesg say about this drive? ('dmesg | grep sda') I > vaguely recall that some systems will do this for some ACPI-related > things, but I forget the details. > > -- > Mike Heath > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From shawn at willden.org Tue Feb 2 20:07:49 2010 From: shawn at willden.org (Shawn Willden) Date: Tue Feb 2 20:08:01 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <2e84de771002021334k5cc13794vf5fbd11402d7667f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100201162240.269490@gmx.com> <2e84de771002021334k5cc13794vf5fbd11402d7667f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <773c89341002021907v1afc58c0x42b85b2f33cda8c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Michael Heath wrote: > No. You'll notice that he said it shows a 'ghost' _drive_, not a ghost > _partition_. Have you poked around in /sys/bus/scsi/devices? There should be an entry there for each SATA device, and in that directory there should be files with information about vendor, model, etc. Figuring out what kind of thing Linux thinks that ghost drive is could give you a clue. -- Shawn From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 00:54:28 2010 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Wed Feb 3 00:54:45 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <773c89341002021907v1afc58c0x42b85b2f33cda8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100201162240.269490@gmx.com> <2e84de771002021334k5cc13794vf5fbd11402d7667f@mail.gmail.com> <773c89341002021907v1afc58c0x42b85b2f33cda8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6977f2fc1002022354v213cda9ckd4014f04a313bba@mail.gmail.com> Different Netbooks have different setups as far as storage goes. Some have a hard drive, others flash, and some have a combination. What brand/model are you using? I have Gentoo on a Acer Aspire One. However, it is single boot (no MSWindows). Here is my grub.conf: title=Gentoo Linux (USB) root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel root=/dev/sdb3 resume=swap:/dev/sdb2 rootdelay=5 title=Gentoo Linux root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel root=/dev/sda3 resume=swap:/dev/sda2 The USB option was for booting it from a flash card to install the system. I also have a separate boot partition on sda1. The filesystem on /boot is ext2 and / is reiserfs. An 8MB ghost drive sounds like a flash card hidden in the system. From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 01:28:31 2010 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Wed Feb 3 01:28:42 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: samba3 PDC with LDAP backend on Debian In-Reply-To: <4B60E548.9000507@mscis.org> References: <4B60E548.9000507@mscis.org> Message-ID: <6977f2fc1002030028p4f7ebfeav173a8ad1ca718cc3@mail.gmail.com> I'm running Samba under Gentoo. So there are going to be differences. However, here are a few things that might point you in the right direction. First, I have smbldap-tools installed to handle group conversions and machine accounts. It is available at: https://gna.org/projects/smbldap-tools/ As to the LDAP entries, here is an example from my LDAP server (using ldapsearch): # HOGANSKEEP, hoganskeep.private dn: sambaDomainName=HOGANSKEEP,dc=hoganskeep,dc=private objectClass: top objectClass: sambaDomain objectClass: domainRelatedObject objectClass: sambaUnixIdPool associatedDomain: hoganskeep.private sambaDomainName: HOGANSKEEP sambaSID: S-1-5-21-1033935531-2806338259-3544885569 sambaAlgorithmicRidBase: 1000 sambaPwdHistoryLength: 0 sambaMaxPwdAge: -1 sambaLockoutThreshold: 0 gidNumber: 1003 uidNumber: 1006 # hosts, Group, hoganskeep.private dn: cn=hosts,ou=Group,dc=hoganskeep,dc=private objectClass: top objectClass: posixGroup objectClass: sambaGroupMapping cn: hosts sambaSID: S-1-5-21-1033935531-2806338259-3544885569-515 sambaGroupType: 2 displayName: Domain Computers gidNumber: 1515 The sambaSID is a domain serial number, this one generated by smbldap-tools. Each group and user then appends their UID/GID to the serial number. Several users/groups have specific numbers assigned to them. Finally, the document you are looking at recommends GIDs in the 500 range. I used the 1500 range. I really recommend reading the material on Samba's site (http://samba.org/ under Learn Samba). However, feel free to ask any questions. From p-collector at gmx.com Wed Feb 3 10:23:00 2010 From: p-collector at gmx.com (D) Date: Wed Feb 3 10:23:44 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc1002022354v213cda9ckd4014f04a313bba@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100201162240.269490@gmx.com> <2e84de771002021334k5cc13794vf5fbd11402d7667f@mail.gmail.com> <773c89341002021907v1afc58c0x42b85b2f33cda8c@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc1002022354v213cda9ckd4014f04a313bba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B69B0F4.5090709@gmx.com> On 2/3/2010 12:54 AM, Christopher Hogan wrote: > Different Netbooks have different setups as far as storage goes. Some > have a hard drive, others flash, and some have a combination. What > brand/model are you using? > > I have Gentoo on a Acer Aspire One. However, it is single boot (no > MSWindows). Here is my grub.conf > Same here. Acer Aspire One. I left win7 on mine because I do occasionally need to use* it. * > title=Gentoo Linux (USB) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /kernel root=/dev/sdb3 resume=swap:/dev/sdb2 rootdelay=5 > > title=Gentoo Linux > root (hd0,0) > kernel /kernel root=/dev/sda3 resume=swap:/dev/sda2 > I see you also have /dev/sdb used instead of /dev/sda. Did you ever discover what sda was acording to the kernel? --- Dan From bms at mscis.org Wed Feb 3 11:34:28 2010 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Feb 3 11:34:36 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: samba3 PDC with LDAP backend on Debian In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc1002030028p4f7ebfeav173a8ad1ca718cc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B60E548.9000507@mscis.org> <6977f2fc1002030028p4f7ebfeav173a8ad1ca718cc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B69C1B4.4080702@mscis.org> On 02/03/2010 01:28 AM, Christopher Hogan wrote: > I'm running Samba under Gentoo. So there are going to be differences. > However, here are a few things that might point you in the right > direction. > > First, I have smbldap-tools installed to handle group conversions and > machine accounts. It is available at: > https://gna.org/projects/smbldap-tools/ > > As to the LDAP entries, here is an example from my LDAP server (using > ldapsearch): > > # HOGANSKEEP, hoganskeep.private > dn: sambaDomainName=HOGANSKEEP,dc=hoganskeep,dc=private > objectClass: top > objectClass: sambaDomain > objectClass: domainRelatedObject > objectClass: sambaUnixIdPool > associatedDomain: hoganskeep.private > sambaDomainName: HOGANSKEEP > sambaSID: S-1-5-21-1033935531-2806338259-3544885569 > sambaAlgorithmicRidBase: 1000 > sambaPwdHistoryLength: 0 > sambaMaxPwdAge: -1 > sambaLockoutThreshold: 0 > gidNumber: 1003 > uidNumber: 1006 > > # hosts, Group, hoganskeep.private > dn: cn=hosts,ou=Group,dc=hoganskeep,dc=private > objectClass: top > objectClass: posixGroup > objectClass: sambaGroupMapping > cn: hosts > sambaSID: S-1-5-21-1033935531-2806338259-3544885569-515 > sambaGroupType: 2 > displayName: Domain Computers > gidNumber: 1515 > > > The sambaSID is a domain serial number, this one generated by > smbldap-tools. Each group and user then appends their UID/GID to the > serial number. Several users/groups have specific numbers assigned to > them. Finally, the document you are looking at recommends GIDs in the > 500 range. I used the 1500 range. > > I really recommend reading the material on Samba's site > (http://samba.org/ under Learn Samba). However, feel free to ask any > questions. > Debian has smbldap-tools, which I've installed following another article. I'm giving that a go right now. I have been favoring documentation about Samba that is Debian specific over Samba's own documentation because of potential differences in Debian's implementation of Samba. However, there's probably nothing else that will be as thorough as Samba's own documentation, so I may turn to that soon. Brandon From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 12:14:46 2010 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Wed Feb 3 12:15:05 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: cannot mount file system? In-Reply-To: <4B69B0F4.5090709@gmx.com> References: <20100201162240.269490@gmx.com> <2e84de771002021334k5cc13794vf5fbd11402d7667f@mail.gmail.com> <773c89341002021907v1afc58c0x42b85b2f33cda8c@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc1002022354v213cda9ckd4014f04a313bba@mail.gmail.com> <4B69B0F4.5090709@gmx.com> Message-ID: <6977f2fc1002031114g550bc73as95b69796a484430a@mail.gmail.com> >>I see you also have /dev/sdb used instead of /dev/sda. Did you ever discover what sda was acording to the kernel? In this case, it is the flash card I used to load the OS. It was only needed during install. From p-collector at gmx.com Thu Feb 4 21:31:28 2010 From: p-collector at gmx.com (D) Date: Thu Feb 4 21:32:03 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: dropping wireless link Message-ID: <4B6B9F20.4030204@gmx.com> This one is driving me up the wall. Any help is welcome. When I boot into Gentoo and run the init scripts or run the net-setup command I get connected to my AP no sweat. But the link only lasts between 15 seconds and an hour before all of a sudden iwconfig reports that I'm not assocf Anyone know why this is and how to fix it? It's not a distance issue as I tested it sitting TWO FEET from the AP and had the same result. If I reboot then again I get a working link for 15 seconds to 1 hour. I'm on my Acer Aspire one with an internal Atheros chip (AR5B93 according to the the Windows driver), used with the default Kernel driver for such a chip (ath5xxx). Thanks in advance From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 02:18:39 2010 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Fri Feb 5 02:18:48 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: dropping wireless link In-Reply-To: <4B6B9F20.4030204@gmx.com> References: <4B6B9F20.4030204@gmx.com> Message-ID: <6977f2fc1002050118s6b46d322x650a746f393ffce@mail.gmail.com> Not sure I'll be of any help. However, since we are both running Gentoo on an Acer One... I haven't had any problems with wireless. I've been pretty amazed that it can maintain a connection from two blocks away. My Toshiba, on the other hand, drops connection if I move into the kitchen. Lets see if we have the same hardware. lspci shows: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) Also are you using any encryption? If so, what? Not sure if it is relevant, I'm using wicd to manage the connection. Let me know and we'll see what we can figure out. From p-collector at gmx.com Fri Feb 5 08:20:16 2010 From: p-collector at gmx.com (D) Date: Fri Feb 5 08:20:50 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: dropping wireless link In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc1002050118s6b46d322x650a746f393ffce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6B9F20.4030204@gmx.com> <6977f2fc1002050118s6b46d322x650a746f393ffce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6C3730.8020304@gmx.com> On 2/5/2010 2:18 AM, Christopher Hogan wrote: > Not sure I'll be of any help. However, since we are both running > Gentoo on an Acer One... > > I haven't had any problems with wireless. I've been pretty amazed that > it can maintain a connection from two blocks away. My Toshiba, on the > other hand, drops connection if I move into the kitchen. Lets see if > we have the same hardware. lspci shows: > > 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x > 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) > > > Don't think it's the same. I'm almost positive mine is a 802.11n chip but I'll boot back into linux soon to test for sure. Got a download going at the moment I don't want to interupt. > Also are you using any encryption? If so, what? > Nope. In the clear - just using a hidden ssid to try and have some security until I get wpa_supplicant installed and configured. From p-collector at gmx.com Fri Feb 5 10:23:09 2010 From: p-collector at gmx.com (D) Date: Fri Feb 5 10:23:36 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: dropping wireless link In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc1002050118s6b46d322x650a746f393ffce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6B9F20.4030204@gmx.com> <6977f2fc1002050118s6b46d322x650a746f393ffce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6C53FD.9020309@gmx.com> On 2/5/2010 2:18 AM, Christopher Hogan wrote: > 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x > 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) > nope. I have a 9xxx chip: 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) my whole lspci output is attached for those who are curious. --- Dan -------------- next part -------------- 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Pineview DMI Bridge 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Pineview Integrated Graphics Controller 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Pineview Integrated Graphics Controller 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Tigerpoint LPC Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801GR/GH (ICH7 Family) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02) 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. Atheros AR8132 / L1c Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev c0) 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) From jim.kinney at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 10:53:07 2010 From: jim.kinney at gmail.com (Jim Kinney) Date: Fri Feb 5 10:53:30 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: dropping wireless link In-Reply-To: <4B6C53FD.9020309@gmx.com> References: <4B6B9F20.4030204@gmx.com> <6977f2fc1002050118s6b46d322x650a746f393ffce@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C53FD.9020309@gmx.com> Message-ID: <437d2f231002050953l3faed0c1h367f376930d12dba@mail.gmail.com> My work laptop (Dell Latitude D620) has a Broadcom BCM4311 802.11b/g chip. It flakes out the same way on the work wireless but runs great at my home. While watching dmesg during a disconnect/reconnect session (I hacked a reconnect button that shuts down NetworkManager, unloads the driver then restarts the NetworkManager) I saw that the wireless subsystem was expecting a reply from the infrastructure access point but it was never received. At that point the system lost connection. button code is: #!/bin/sh # sudo part to run fixnics.sh sudo /usr/local/bin/fixnics.sh & fixnix.sh is: #!/bin/bash ( # this requires sudo access for this script so all nics can be reset service="/sbin/service" echo "# Stopping NetworkManager" echo "10" $service NetworkManager stop echo "# Stopping networking" echo "30" $service network stop echo "# Resetting wireless module" echo "50" /usr/local/bin/dropmod.sh echo "# Restarting networking" echo "65" $service network start echo "# Restarting NetworkManager" echo "80" $service NetworkManager start sleep 2s echo "# Reconnecting system to networks" echo "100" sleep 4s ) | /usr/bin/zenity --progress \ --title="Reassociate wireless" \ --text="Reseting wireless" \ --percentage=0 \ --auto-close dropmod.sh is: #!/bin/sh # Source function library. . /etc/init.d/functions /sbin/modprobe -r b43 sleep 1s /sbin/modprobe b43 And the sudoers line is %users ALL=/usr/local/bin/fixnics NOPASSWD:/usr/local/bin/fixnics On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:23 PM, D wrote: > On 2/5/2010 2:18 AM, Christopher Hogan wrote: > >> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x >> 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) >> >> > > > nope. I have a 9xxx chip: > > 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless > Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) > > > my whole lspci output is attached for those who are curious. > > --- Dan > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- -- James P. Kinney III Actively in pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you need assistance in getting your electronics to the school or have other questions about this event, contact Trent Hendricks at 385-646-5163 (yes, that's a local SLC area code!). -- Rick Gregory rfg@csolutions.net From dave at thesmithfam.org Sat Feb 6 19:58:25 2010 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Sat Feb 6 19:58:37 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Free Qwest DSL Modem Message-ID: Does anyone have need of a free Qwest DSL modem[1]? If so, it's yours if you come get it at my house in South Jordan or my office in Murray. Otherwise, I'm sending it to the DSL modem retirement home in the sky[2]. Contact me off list if you're interested. --Dave [1] Actiontec GT701-WG (with WiFi 802.11g) in working order (or at least it was the last time I used it a few months back) [2] http://www.slvlandfill.slco.org/ From vi at dubbayou.com Mon Feb 8 16:06:47 2010 From: vi at dubbayou.com (Richard Nadeau) Date: Mon Feb 8 16:07:56 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave Message-ID: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> Hi, I've got 20 Google Wave invites available, any takers? Please respond privately to strouthos@gmail.com so as not to clutter the list. :) Rick From alansyoungiii at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:40:53 2010 From: alansyoungiii at gmail.com (Alan Young) Date: Mon Feb 8 16:41:22 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> References: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 16:06, Richard Nadeau wrote: > I've got 20 Google Wave invites available, any takers? > > Please respond privately to strouthos@gmail.com so as not to clutter the > list. :) I've got some too... don't remember how many I have left, but y'all are welcome to them. -- Alan From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 05:57:45 2010 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Tue Feb 9 06:19:54 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: References: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: Same here. Although as you can see, Wave invites are easy to come by now days. ~Leif ---------- So Much to Learn, Such Little Time http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 16:40, Alan Young wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 16:06, Richard Nadeau wrote: > > I've got 20 Google Wave invites available, any takers? > > > > Please respond privately to strouthos@gmail.com so as not to clutter the > > list. :) > > I've got some too... don't remember how many I have left, but y'all > are welcome to them. > -- > Alan > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100209/2b834ed2/attachment.html From vi at dubbayou.com Tue Feb 9 09:53:31 2010 From: vi at dubbayou.com (Richard Nadeau) Date: Tue Feb 9 09:54:28 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: References: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: <1265734411.3170.43.camel@strouthos> Leif, On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 05:57 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > Same here. Although as you can see, Wave invites are easy to come by > now days. It's looking that way, I still have 16 left. ;) Rick From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:09:35 2010 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Feb 10 10:09:44 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime: Vim 101 and Beyond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just a quick reminder that the SLLUG Daytime Meeting is happening today at 11:30am @ BetaLoft (see below for more details) Cheers, Clint On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > Well, it's that time of month again, time to come to BetaLoftSLC, eat > some lunch (brown bagging is encouraged) and listen to a good > technical talk. ?This month, we have Mr. Adam Barrett, a Senior > Software Developer at SOS Staffing in Salt Lake City, who will be > taking some time to talk with us about Vim. ?Here is a little snippet > from Adam: > > Vim 101 and Beyond > > Vim is the editor of choice for many developers and power users. It's > a "modal" text editor based on the vi editor written by Bill Joy in > the 1970s for a version of UNIX. It inherits the key bindings of vi, > but also adds a great deal of functionality and extensibility that are > missing from the original vi. This session will cover the beginnings > (101) and the first set of intermediate (201) modes and commands for > vim. > > If you would like to join us, just head on down via train, car > (parking is free on the street for two hours just east and west of > BetaLoftSLC), walk or bike to: > > WHEN > > Wednesday, February 10, 2010 > 11:30am-1:00pm > > WHERE > > BetaLoft SLC > 357 W 200 S #201 > Salt Lake City, Utah > Map: http://snipr.com/betaloft-slc-map) > > Come learn some tips and tricks about Vim. ?We hope to see you all there. > > Cheers, > > Clint > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From beebe at math.utah.edu Wed Feb 10 13:49:12 2010 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Wed Feb 10 13:49:21 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] news story on Ksplice -- no-reboot updates Message-ID: This story may be of interest to some of you: Ksplice debuts zero downtime service for Linux ttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9153519/Ksplice_debuts_zero_downtime_service_for_Linux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 14:41:55 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Feb 10 14:42:04 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <1265734411.3170.43.camel@strouthos> References: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> <1265734411.3170.43.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: yeah, i had a bunch too - haven't checked wave for a while, they may have disappeared. if you want one, ask *on* list, because that way you'll get everybody who has some. On 2/9/10, Richard Nadeau wrote: > Leif, > > On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 05:57 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: >> Same here. Although as you can see, Wave invites are easy to come by >> now days. > > It's looking that way, I still have 16 left. ;) > > Rick > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 14:45:28 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Feb 10 14:45:39 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime: Vim 101 and Beyond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: see below? what below? sorry i couldn't come on my own :) On 2/10/10, Clint Savage wrote: > Just a quick reminder that the SLLUG Daytime Meeting is happening > today at 11:30am @ BetaLoft (see below for more details) > > Cheers, > > Clint > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Clint Savage wrote: >> Well, it's that time of month again, time to come to BetaLoftSLC, eat >> some lunch (brown bagging is encouraged) and listen to a good >> technical talk. ?This month, we have Mr. Adam Barrett, a Senior >> Software Developer at SOS Staffing in Salt Lake City, who will be >> taking some time to talk with us about Vim. ?Here is a little snippet >> from Adam: >> >> Vim 101 and Beyond >> >> Vim is the editor of choice for many developers and power users. It's >> a "modal" text editor based on the vi editor written by Bill Joy in >> the 1970s for a version of UNIX. It inherits the key bindings of vi, >> but also adds a great deal of functionality and extensibility that are >> missing from the original vi. This session will cover the beginnings >> (101) and the first set of intermediate (201) modes and commands for >> vim. >> >> If you would like to join us, just head on down via train, car >> (parking is free on the street for two hours just east and west of >> BetaLoftSLC), walk or bike to: >> >> WHEN >> >> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 >> 11:30am-1:00pm >> >> WHERE >> >> BetaLoft SLC >> 357 W 200 S #201 >> Salt Lake City, Utah >> Map: http://snipr.com/betaloft-slc-map) >> >> Come learn some tips and tricks about Vim. ?We hope to see you all there. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Clint >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From dragen at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 14:49:26 2010 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Wed Feb 10 14:49:38 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime: Vim 101 and Beyond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6902ba8e1002101349qce90ac8ge4beb303c89ca706@mail.gmail.com> The below was his quoted text. In Gmail is collapses quoted text. So sometimes you will have to click on "-Show quoted text-" Sorry you missed it, was a great session. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > see below? what below? > > sorry i couldn't come on my own :) > > On 2/10/10, Clint Savage wrote: >> Just a quick reminder that the SLLUG Daytime Meeting is happening >> today at 11:30am @ BetaLoft (see below for more details) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Clint >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Clint Savage wrote: >>> Well, it's that time of month again, time to come to BetaLoftSLC, eat >>> some lunch (brown bagging is encouraged) and listen to a good >>> technical talk. ?This month, we have Mr. Adam Barrett, a Senior >>> Software Developer at SOS Staffing in Salt Lake City, who will be >>> taking some time to talk with us about Vim. ?Here is a little snippet >>> from Adam: >>> >>> Vim 101 and Beyond >>> >>> Vim is the editor of choice for many developers and power users. It's >>> a "modal" text editor based on the vi editor written by Bill Joy in >>> the 1970s for a version of UNIX. It inherits the key bindings of vi, >>> but also adds a great deal of functionality and extensibility that are >>> missing from the original vi. This session will cover the beginnings >>> (101) and the first set of intermediate (201) modes and commands for >>> vim. >>> >>> If you would like to join us, just head on down via train, car >>> (parking is free on the street for two hours just east and west of >>> BetaLoftSLC), walk or bike to: >>> >>> WHEN >>> >>> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 >>> 11:30am-1:00pm >>> >>> WHERE >>> >>> BetaLoft SLC >>> 357 W 200 S #201 >>> Salt Lake City, Utah >>> Map: http://snipr.com/betaloft-slc-map) >>> >>> Come learn some tips and tricks about Vim. ?We hope to see you all there. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Clint >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com From jshatch at azza.com Wed Feb 10 15:20:15 2010 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Wed Feb 10 15:22:20 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: References: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> <1265734411.3170.43.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: <4B73311F.6040303@azza.com> and along with that, 10 or so invites sent to you. I vote for off-list replies to this thread. On 02/10/2010 02:41 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > yeah, i had a bunch too - haven't checked wave for a while, they may > have disappeared. > > if you want one, ask *on* list, because that way you'll get everybody > who has some. > > On 2/9/10, Richard Nadeau wrote: >> Leif, >> >> On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 05:57 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: >>> Same here. Although as you can see, Wave invites are easy to come by >>> now days. >> >> It's looking that way, I still have 16 left. ;) >> >> Rick >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100210/ca481014/signature.pgp From dbb at beatties.us Wed Feb 10 15:59:40 2010 From: dbb at beatties.us (Doug Beattie) Date: Wed Feb 10 15:59:51 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Sandy fiber In-Reply-To: <9619266.178249.1265836547083.JavaMail.root@zms01.zcs> References: <9619266.178249.1265836547083.JavaMail.root@zms01.zcs> Message-ID: <20100210225940.GA29441@beatties.us> I have already today sent this information to Bryant Anderson of the Sandy City council. Bryant is an intelligent engineer with a number of patents for L3 Communications. I hope he can see the possibilites and look for ways to work with Google to get things moving if at all possible. Please feel free to do whatever you would like to help push this along. Doug On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:15:47PM -0700, Warren Woodward wrote: > Might have a hard time convincing anyone that Sandy needs fiber after Akamai's fabricated proclamation last month that we have the fasted Internet in all the world. > > We called them on that, by the way, and after looking into it at our request they admitted that their data was flawed and they had erroneously determined that the entire UEN network was in Sandy. They also refused to release a correction, but promised to be more careful with their methodology in future reports. > > The incumbent in question, incidentally, was Qwest, and they were promising their FTTN product. In fairness, it now has pretty decent deployment throughout Sandy, although with notable dead zones (I can still only get 256k at my home close to the north border). Meanwhile, my base Comcast is now 12/2 Mbps. They've really stepped up the game. > > All that said, I still think its an interesting idea, though I fear it would require a significant commitment from the city council, and with the above factors in play, I don't expect them to be interested in making one. > > I'm supposed to have a presentation from UTOPIA about their plans for future SAA cities this week or next. Should help me figure out if that would ever be on the radar. But I won't lie, I doubt strongly that would happen. > > This may all come across as more negative than I intend. Just a little busy today :) > > Warren S. N. Woodward > Director, Broadband Services > XMission Internet > warrenw@xmission.com > (801) 303-0819 > (877) XMISSION ext 119 > > ----- "Jesse Harris" wrote: > > When I saw this, it occurred to me that this might be a way to get fiber service in the Sandy area. It would be best to work with the city to have them submit themselves for consideration as well as have everyone you know nominate Sandy as a potential location. I've already notified UTOPIA that they should look into this. > > > > While the wide availability of cable, DSL, and wireless in Sandy may be seen as a setback for consideration, it's a major asset that we have a relatively high population density as well as a lot of nearby middle-mile fiber to attach to including UTOPIA's backbone along the UPRR. There's also a number of aerial runs in older neighborhoods and along major roads that keep the costs down. If Google can get a lot of bang for their buck and there's a lot of interest, that could tip the scales in our favor. > > > Jesse Harris > > (801) 937-4471 > > > > http://www.coolestfamilyever.com/ > > http://www.freeutopia.org/ > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:27 PM, David Youngberg < youngberg@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Two years ago we made an appearance at a Sandy City Council meeting to see about municipal fiber. I was assured by a councilman that fast broadband speeds would soon be made available by "an incumbent." > > > > Apparently that incumbent is Comcast, since in my neighborhood Qwest still tops out at 1.5mbps; no change in 4+ years. > > > > I'm thinking it is time to approach again, especially with this recent announcement: http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi > > > > Google already owns my email, some web hosting, my online photo sharing; they've even offered to resolve DNS names for me, etc, etc. Now they want to lay fiber too? The nice man in the video says they'll be open-access networks, perhaps similar to Utopia? > > > > I want this for Sandy, but competing with the rest of the US for the privilege of being their testbed could be a bit of a longshot. Anyone feel like contacting a city official with me? > > > > -David Youngberg > > > > -- From nemus at grayhatlabs.com Fri Feb 12 21:16:38 2010 From: nemus at grayhatlabs.com (nemus@grayhatlabs.com) Date: Fri Feb 12 20:58:33 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google Message-ID: As many of you may have heard, Google wants to build a 1Gbps fiber optic network in communities covering a footprint of anywhere from 50,000 to 500,000 residents. This presents a unique opportunity to get UTOPIA service expanded to the entire footprint with no cost to cities or residents. The blog lays out the case for it: http://www.freeutopia.org/2010/02/10/google-wants-to-build-muni-fiber-tell-them-to-build-it-here/ The short version is that we all need to be actively participating. Google said they want to hear from us; let's tell them why Utah is the place to build. Have your friends and neighbors tell them. Have your co-workers tell them. Everyone you know needs to know about this and as many of them as possible need to tell Google to come here. http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/ From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 21:11:07 2010 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Fri Feb 12 21:11:32 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm all in. Anyone want to work on a short video explaining why we should be chosen (or something else creative, as the applications seems to imply we should do)? ~Leif ---------- So Much to Learn, Such Little Time http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:16, wrote: > As many of you may have heard, Google wants to build a 1Gbps fiber optic > network in communities covering a footprint of anywhere from 50,000 to > 500,000 residents. This presents a unique opportunity to get UTOPIA > service expanded to the entire footprint with no cost to cities or > residents. The blog lays out the case for it: > > > http://www.freeutopia.org/2010/02/10/google-wants-to-build-muni-fiber-tell-them-to-build-it-here/ > > The short version is that we all need to be actively participating. Google > said they want to hear from us; let's tell them why Utah is the place to > build. Have your friends and neighbors tell them. Have your co-workers > tell them. Everyone you know needs to know about this and as many of them > as possible need to tell Google to come here. > > http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100212/8baa14bf/attachment.htm From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Fri Feb 12 22:23:22 2010 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Fri Feb 12 22:23:32 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> There is a town hall meeting at the Sandy Library tomorrow at 10:15. I will attend and suggest this be a priority. I have forwarded to Trish Beck and Wayne Niederhauser of the Utah Legislature. We should forward to Tom Nolan as well. On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 21:16 -0700, nemus@grayhatlabs.com wrote: > As many of you may have heard, Google wants to build a 1Gbps fiber optic > network in communities covering a footprint of anywhere from 50,000 to > 500,000 residents. This presents a unique opportunity to get UTOPIA > service expanded to the entire footprint with no cost to cities or > residents. The blog lays out the case for it: > > http://www.freeutopia.org/2010/02/10/google-wants-to-build-muni-fiber-tell-them-to-build-it-here/ > > The short version is that we all need to be actively participating. Google > said they want to hear from us; let's tell them why Utah is the place to > build. Have your friends and neighbors tell them. Have your co-workers > tell them. Everyone you know needs to know about this and as many of them > as possible need to tell Google to come here. > > http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 10:20:11 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Feb 13 10:20:20 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: AWESOME!!! LET'S DO THIS!! /me is exited On 2/12/10, Matt Warnock wrote: > There is a town hall meeting at the Sandy Library tomorrow at 10:15. I > will attend and suggest this be a priority. I have forwarded to Trish > Beck and Wayne Niederhauser of the Utah Legislature. We should forward > to Tom Nolan as well. > > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 21:16 -0700, nemus@grayhatlabs.com wrote: >> As many of you may have heard, Google wants to build a 1Gbps fiber optic >> network in communities covering a footprint of anywhere from 50,000 to >> 500,000 residents. This presents a unique opportunity to get UTOPIA >> service expanded to the entire footprint with no cost to cities or >> residents. The blog lays out the case for it: >> >> http://www.freeutopia.org/2010/02/10/google-wants-to-build-muni-fiber-tell-them-to-build-it-here/ >> >> The short version is that we all need to be actively participating. Google >> said they want to hear from us; let's tell them why Utah is the place to >> build. Have your friends and neighbors tell them. Have your co-workers >> tell them. Everyone you know needs to know about this and as many of them >> as possible need to tell Google to come here. >> >> http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/ >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Sat Feb 13 21:10:31 2010 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Sat Feb 13 21:10:34 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> Am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive of this? What does Google really get out of it? They say: Our goal is to experiment with new ways to help make Internet access better, and faster for everyone. and the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn but this is an AWFUL lot of money for them to lay out just to learn how to make the Internet better "for everyone". It's a level of altruism that. for a for-profit company, just seems a little suspicious to me. Dave From matt at frozenatom.com Sat Feb 13 21:27:33 2010 From: matt at frozenatom.com (Matt Nelson) Date: Sat Feb 13 21:27:43 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:10 PM, David J Iannucci wrote: > Am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive of this? What does > Google really get out of it? They say: > > Our goal is to experiment with new ways to help make Internet access > better, and faster for everyone. > > and > > the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn > > but this is an AWFUL lot of money for them to lay out just to learn how > to make the Internet better "for everyone". It's a level of altruism > that. for a for-profit company, just seems a little suspicious to me. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > "...seemingly good intentions, only to slowly reveal their true machinations the more ingrained into society they become..." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307824/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100213/1ce1e0f0/attachment.htm From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 21:39:23 2010 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Feb 13 21:41:48 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4B777E7B.9010500@gmail.com> David J Iannucci wrote: > Am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive of this? What does > Google really get out of it? They say: > > Our goal is to experiment with new ways to help make Internet access > better, and faster for everyone. > > and > > the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn > > but this is an AWFUL lot of money for them to lay out just to learn how > to make the Internet better "for everyone". It's a level of altruism > that. for a for-profit company, just seems a little suspicious to me. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > More suspicious than watching the UTA be the puppets for companies like Concast and Qwest you mean? From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Sat Feb 13 21:58:44 2010 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Sat Feb 13 21:58:48 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <4B777E7B.9010500@gmail.com> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4B777E7B.9010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266123524.3265.49.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> I figure like any for-profit company, they are in it for the money. So are Qwest and Comcast, but Google has been a lot more responsive to consumers, in my experience. I don't expect to live long enough to see fiber to the home by either of those outfits. And I'd rather see Google than Microsoft (the only other player with massive cash reserves). On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 21:39 -0700, u235sentinel wrote: > David J Iannucci wrote: > > Am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive of this? What does > > Google really get out of it? They say: > > > > Our goal is to experiment with new ways to help make Internet access > > better, and faster for everyone. > > > > and > > > > the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn > > > > but this is an AWFUL lot of money for them to lay out just to learn how > > to make the Internet better "for everyone". It's a level of altruism > > that. for a for-profit company, just seems a little suspicious to me. > > > > Dave > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > More suspicious than watching the UTA be the puppets for companies like > Concast and Qwest you mean? > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From thatch45 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 23:06:57 2010 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Sat Feb 13 23:07:06 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <1266123524.3265.49.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4B777E7B.9010500@gmail.com> <1266123524.3265.49.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <6172c17e1002132206t357063e4n3c77a684630fd615@mail.gmail.com> The learn approach is a classic representation of the Goolge model. They spit out projects all the time to see if they will hook into the market, heck, gmail is very dominant now, but do you all remember how it was first rolled out? Slowly, and as an experiment. And who knows just how much crap they start working on that gets thrown away. Goolge will roll this out in responsive communities where the potential cost to revenue ratios are optimal, and if it makes money in the experimental regions then they will expand it, if not they will sell the small buildouts (perhaps for a profit - although I doubt it) and move out of the market. So what we are looking at is a very well established business model for innovate development, a model most companies have a very hard time executing. Most of us think right off the bat "is this going to make money?", and if we think to ourselves - "no", then we never try. But innovative development requires testing the waters. Google makes money because they do a few key things: 1. Take care of the main cash cow - Web Marketing 2. Cost effective experimentation 3. A willingness to cut the cord on failed projects, they are part of the cost of doing business. 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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Thomas S Hatch Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:06:57 To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 09:23:30 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sun Feb 14 09:23:39 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <648385790-1266163992-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2142684827-@bda687.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4B777E7B.9010500@gmail.com> <1266123524.3265.49.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <6172c17e1002132206t357063e4n3c77a684630fd615@mail.gmail.com> <648385790-1266163992-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2142684827-@bda687.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: does that mean it's too late for us? :( On 2/14/10, asocpro@gmail.com wrote: > Seattle has jumped on the google fiber bandwagon. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas S Hatch > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:06:57 > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From donlivingston at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 09:39:09 2010 From: donlivingston at gmail.com (Donald Livingston) Date: Sun Feb 14 09:39:18 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4B777E7B.9010500@gmail.com> <1266123524.3265.49.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <6172c17e1002132206t357063e4n3c77a684630fd615@mail.gmail.com> <648385790-1266163992-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2142684827-@bda687.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <249fe29d1002140839y4c3cdc10x505e3520482221e3@mail.gmail.com> I would think that we're still a better option than Seattle, given Google's announced intention for setting up in a 50K to 500K Resident area. Seattle's just a bit beyond that scope. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Christian Horne wrote: > does that mean it's too late for us? :( > > > On 2/14/10, asocpro@gmail.com wrote: > > Seattle has jumped on the google fiber bandwagon. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas S Hatch > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:06:57 > > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Don Livingston www.donaldlivingston.com "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you might as well go for the really satisfying ones." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100214/57453844/attachment-0001.html From AGibson at rideuta.com Sun Feb 14 21:17:22 2010 From: AGibson at rideuta.com (Gibson, Alan (Electronics Engineer)) Date: Sun Feb 14 21:19:27 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com>, <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile! ________________________________________ From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Matt Nelson [matt@frozenatom.com] Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:27 PM To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:10 PM, David J Iannucci > wrote: Am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive of this? What does Google really get out of it? They say: Our goal is to experiment with new ways to help make Internet access better, and faster for everyone. and the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn but this is an AWFUL lot of money for them to lay out just to learn how to make the Internet better "for everyone". It's a level of altruism that. for a for-profit company, just seems a little suspicious to me. Dave ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members "...seemingly good intentions, only to slowly reveal their true machinations the more ingrained into society they become..." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307824/ From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 21:40:50 2010 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Sun Feb 14 21:41:14 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> Message-ID: No, you're not the only person to be nervous about this: http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/12/going-for-gold-google-rolls-out-1-gb-fiber-optic-network/if google succeeds, they will have their fingers in almost every aspect of the internet. However, if they do succeed, I am very hopeful that it will break up current ISP monopolies. ~Leif ---------- So Much to Learn, Such Little Time http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 21:17, Gibson, Alan (Electronics Engineer) < AGibson@rideuta.com> wrote: > We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. > Resistance is futile! > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Nelson [matt@frozenatom.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:27 PM > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:10 PM, David J Iannucci < > fyyht@punchcutter.ml1.net> wrote: > Am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive of this? What does > Google really get out of it? They say: > > Our goal is to experiment with new ways to help make Internet access > better, and faster for everyone. > > and > > the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn > > but this is an AWFUL lot of money for them to lay out just to learn how > to make the Internet better "for everyone". It's a level of altruism > that. for a for-profit company, just seems a little suspicious to me. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net< > http://irc.FreeNode.net> channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > "...seemingly good intentions, only to slowly reveal their true > machinations the more ingrained into society they become..." > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307824/ > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100214/c3caec6e/attachment.htm From donlivingston at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 21:42:28 2010 From: donlivingston at gmail.com (Don Livingston) Date: Sun Feb 14 21:42:42 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com>, <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> Message-ID: <334F9482-AE0B-43C6-861E-A7F799F99B43@gmail.com> You realize how many people will volutarily assimilate themselves for the promise of a 1Gbps Internet connection? Resistance is not futile, it'll be almost non-existant. Don Livingston www.donaldlivingston.com "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you might as well go for the really satisfying ones." On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:17 PM, "Gibson, Alan (Electronics Engineer)" wrote: > We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. > Resistance is futile! > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [sllug-members- > bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Matt Nelson [matt@frozenatom.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:27 PM > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:10 PM, David J Iannucci > wrote: > Am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive of this? What does > Google really get out of it? They say: > > Our goal is to experiment with new ways to help make Internet access > better, and faster for everyone. > > and > > the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn > > but this is an AWFUL lot of money for them to lay out just to learn > how > to make the Internet better "for everyone". It's a level of altruism > that. for a for-profit company, just seems a little suspicious to me. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > "...seemingly good intentions, only to slowly reveal their true > machinations the more ingrained into society they become..." > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307824/ > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 23:58:01 2010 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Feb 15 00:00:31 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> Message-ID: <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> Leif Andersen wrote: > No, you're not the only person to be nervous about this: > http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/12/going-for-gold-google-rolls-out-1-gb-fiber-optic-network/ > if google succeeds, they will have their fingers in almost every > aspect of the internet. > > However, if they do succeed, I am very hopeful that it will break up > current ISP monopolies. > > ~Leif > ---------- That would be nice. From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 10:32:36 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Feb 15 10:32:47 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> Message-ID: why do we NOT want to be assimilated? it'll only make life better, it's not in their interest to try to take the world down ... On 2/14/10, u235sentinel wrote: > Leif Andersen wrote: >> No, you're not the only person to be nervous about this: >> http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/12/going-for-gold-google-rolls-out-1-gb-fiber-optic-network/ >> >> if google succeeds, they will have their fingers in almost every >> aspect of the internet. >> >> However, if they do succeed, I am very hopeful that it will break up >> current ISP monopolies. >> >> ~Leif >> ---------- > That would be nice. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From jim.kinney at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 11:12:26 2010 From: jim.kinney at gmail.com (Jim Kinney) Date: Mon Feb 15 11:12:34 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <437d2f231002151012x4231e2d5jeda156a48f560217@mail.gmail.com> Read Cory Doctorow's "Scroogled" :-0 http://craphound.com/?p=1902 The html version is not very good in the layout area: http://craphound.com/scroogled.html On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > why do we NOT want to be assimilated? it'll only make life better, > it's not in their interest to try to take the world down ... > > On 2/14/10, u235sentinel wrote: > > Leif Andersen wrote: > >> No, you're not the only person to be nervous about this: > >> > http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/12/going-for-gold-google-rolls-out-1-gb-fiber-optic-network/ > >> > >> if google succeeds, they will have their fingers in almost every > >> aspect of the internet. > >> > >> However, if they do succeed, I am very hopeful that it will break up > >> current ISP monopolies. > >> > >> ~Leif > >> ---------- > > That would be nice. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- -- James P. Kinney III Actively in pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100215/ecad9b6f/attachment.htm From marc at sllug.org Mon Feb 15 12:13:33 2010 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Mon Feb 15 12:13:38 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday Message-ID: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> Hey everyone, I've been very busy the last few weeks and haven't lined up a presenter yet. Anyone want to volunteer for a presentation this Wednesday? Send me an email: comments@sllug.org Thanks everyone! -- Marc Christensen From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 12:28:53 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Feb 15 12:29:03 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> Message-ID: i'll do it if i ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. it would be kind of hard for me to pull off, the getting there. so if no one else can to, i'll present on ... eh ... the BGE again? but i'm a backup plan. On 2/15/10, Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey everyone, I've been very busy the last few weeks and haven't lined > up a presenter yet. Anyone want to volunteer for a presentation this > Wednesday? > > Send me an email: comments@sllug.org > > Thanks everyone! > > -- > Marc Christensen > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 12:34:53 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Feb 15 12:35:05 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <437d2f231002151012x4231e2d5jeda156a48f560217@mail.gmail.com> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> <437d2f231002151012x4231e2d5jeda156a48f560217@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: wtf is that? On 2/15/10, Jim Kinney wrote: > Read Cory Doctorow's "Scroogled" :-0 > http://craphound.com/?p=1902 > > The html version is not very good in the layout area: > http://craphound.com/scroogled.html > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Christian Horne > wrote: > >> why do we NOT want to be assimilated? it'll only make life better, >> it's not in their interest to try to take the world down ... >> >> On 2/14/10, u235sentinel wrote: >> > Leif Andersen wrote: >> >> No, you're not the only person to be nervous about this: >> >> >> http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/12/going-for-gold-google-rolls-out-1-gb-fiber-optic-network/ >> >> >> >> if google succeeds, they will have their fingers in almost every >> >> aspect of the internet. >> >> >> >> However, if they do succeed, I am very hopeful that it will break up >> >> current ISP monopolies. >> >> >> >> ~Leif >> >> ---------- >> > That would be nice. >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > >> >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > > -- > -- > James P. Kinney III > Actively in pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness > -- the blendmaster From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 12:37:17 2010 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Mon Feb 15 12:37:46 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> Message-ID: Umm...I could present on basic programming, but you probably all already know that. ~Leif ---------- So Much to Learn, Such Little Time http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:28, Christian Horne wrote: > i'll do it if i ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. it would be kind of hard for me to > pull off, the getting there. so if no one else can to, i'll present on > ... eh ... the BGE again? but i'm a backup plan. > > On 2/15/10, Marc Christensen wrote: > > Hey everyone, I've been very busy the last few weeks and haven't lined > > up a presenter yet. Anyone want to volunteer for a presentation this > > Wednesday? > > > > Send me an email: comments@sllug.org > > > > Thanks everyone! > > > > -- > > Marc Christensen > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100215/6025b510/attachment.html From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Feb 15 13:02:29 2010 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Feb 15 13:02:33 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266264149.3265.67.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Because MOST companies, when they get on the utility model, become arrogant and not consumer-oriented. Competition keeps companies focused on serving their customers, while monopolies develop an entitlement mentality that rarely serves the public interest. Competition good, assimilation/monopoly bad. I don't mind Google having a lot of fingers in a lot of pies-- just so they don't own the whole pie (ANY whole pie). On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 10:32 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > why do we NOT want to be assimilated? it'll only make life better, > it's not in their interest to try to take the world down ... > > On 2/14/10, u235sentinel wrote: > > Leif Andersen wrote: > >> No, you're not the only person to be nervous about this: > >> http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/12/going-for-gold-google-rolls-out-1-gb-fiber-optic-network/ > >> > >> if google succeeds, they will have their fingers in almost every > >> aspect of the internet. > >> > >> However, if they do succeed, I am very hopeful that it will break up > >> current ISP monopolies. > >> > >> ~Leif > >> ---------- > > That would be nice. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 13:09:36 2010 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Mon Feb 15 13:10:06 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <1266264149.3265.67.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> <1266264149.3265.67.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: Well, they did file for a patent on the concept of a 'simple web page' a couple of months back. ~Leif ---------- So Much to Learn, Such Little Time http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 13:02, Matt Warnock wrote: > Because MOST companies, when they get on the utility model, become > arrogant and not consumer-oriented. Competition keeps companies > focused on serving their customers, while monopolies develop an > entitlement mentality that rarely serves the public interest. > > Competition good, assimilation/monopoly bad. I don't mind Google having > a lot of fingers in a lot of pies-- just so they don't own the whole pie > (ANY whole pie). > > On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 10:32 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > > why do we NOT want to be assimilated? it'll only make life better, > > it's not in their interest to try to take the world down ... > > > > On 2/14/10, u235sentinel wrote: > > > Leif Andersen wrote: > > >> No, you're not the only person to be nervous about this: > > >> > http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/12/going-for-gold-google-rolls-out-1-gb-fiber-optic-network/ > > >> > > >> if google succeeds, they will have their fingers in almost every > > >> aspect of the internet. > > >> > > >> However, if they do succeed, I am very hopeful that it will break up > > >> current ISP monopolies. > > >> > > >> ~Leif > > >> ---------- > > > That would be nice. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > > > > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 2/15/10, Leif Andersen wrote: > Well, they did file for a patent on the concept of a 'simple web page' a > couple of months back. > > ~Leif > ---------- > So Much to Learn, Such Little Time > http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 13:02, Matt Warnock > wrote: > >> Because MOST companies, when they get on the utility model, become >> arrogant and not consumer-oriented. Competition keeps companies >> focused on serving their customers, while monopolies develop an >> entitlement mentality that rarely serves the public interest. >> >> Competition good, assimilation/monopoly bad. I don't mind Google having >> a lot of fingers in a lot of pies-- just so they don't own the whole pie >> (ANY whole pie). >> >> On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 10:32 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: >> > why do we NOT want to be assimilated? it'll only make life better, >> > it's not in their interest to try to take the world down ... >> > >> > On 2/14/10, u235sentinel wrote: >> > > Leif Andersen wrote: >> > >> No, you're not the only person to be nervous about this: >> > >> >> http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/12/going-for-gold-google-rolls-out-1-gb-fiber-optic-network/ >> > >> >> > >> if google succeeds, they will have their fingers in almost every >> > >> aspect of the internet. >> > >> >> > >> However, if they do succeed, I am very hopeful that it will break up >> > >> current ISP monopolies. >> > >> >> > >> ~Leif >> > >> ---------- >> > > That would be nice. >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> > > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Matt Warnock >> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > -- the blendmaster From jim.kinney at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 15:27:25 2010 From: jim.kinney at gmail.com (Jim Kinney) Date: Mon Feb 15 15:27:35 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: References: <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> <437d2f231002151012x4231e2d5jeda156a48f560217@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437d2f231002151427m17455783l9d4b34c08bb4098f@mail.gmail.com> It's a story about Google turning evil. On Feb 15, 2010 2:35 PM, "Christian Horne" wrote: wtf is that? On 2/15/10, Jim Kinney wrote: > Read Cory Doctorow's "Scroogled" :-0 > http:... -- the blendmaster ______________________________________________________________________ See http://ww... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100215/2a6c7f51/attachment.htm From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 17:16:23 2010 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Feb 15 17:16:31 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google Message-ID: <231444.21728.qm@web113316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is there some restriction preventing a presentation to Salt Lake City? - Kurt From u235sentinel at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 17:48:34 2010 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Feb 15 17:51:02 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <231444.21728.qm@web113316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <231444.21728.qm@web113316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B79EB62.7020002@gmail.com> Canopus56 wrote: > Is there some restriction preventing a presentation to Salt Lake City? - Kurt > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Of course. It's called the UTA. ;-) From donlivingston at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 18:00:45 2010 From: donlivingston at gmail.com (Donald Livingston) Date: Mon Feb 15 18:01:03 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <4B79EB62.7020002@gmail.com> References: <231444.21728.qm@web113316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B79EB62.7020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <249fe29d1002151700t1f7fb8fcuda4c55251c706ed3@mail.gmail.com> Salt Lake got the Olympics here, I'm sure there's more than enough clout to get Google interested if we shout in the right ears. Anyone know Pete Ashdown's (President of Xmission) number? He's been a major supporter of UTOPIA. This sounds like the kind of thing he'd be ideally positioned to help on. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:48 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > Canopus56 wrote: > >> Is there some restriction preventing a presentation to Salt Lake City? - >> Kurt >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > > Of course. It's called the UTA. ;-) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Don Livingston www.donaldlivingston.com "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you might as well go for the really satisfying ones." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100215/a68380b6/attachment.html From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 19:57:26 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Feb 15 19:57:35 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <249fe29d1002151700t1f7fb8fcuda4c55251c706ed3@mail.gmail.com> References: <231444.21728.qm@web113316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B79EB62.7020002@gmail.com> <249fe29d1002151700t1f7fb8fcuda4c55251c706ed3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ooh, pashdown .. his nick is pashdown on irc, you could also try his email, i think i have it somewhere here... btw i've met the CEO of google face to face 8) On 2/15/10, Donald Livingston wrote: > Salt Lake got the Olympics here, I'm sure there's more than enough clout to > get Google interested if we shout in the right ears. Anyone know Pete > Ashdown's (President of Xmission) number? He's been a major supporter of > UTOPIA. This sounds like the kind of thing he'd be ideally positioned to > help on. > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:48 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > >> Canopus56 wrote: >> >>> Is there some restriction preventing a presentation to Salt Lake City? - >>> Kurt >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >> >> Of course. It's called the UTA. ;-) >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > > -- > Don Livingston > www.donaldlivingston.com > "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you might > as well go for the really satisfying ones." > -- the blendmaster From marc at sllug.org Tue Feb 16 16:16:24 2010 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Feb 16 16:36:46 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: [sllug-announce]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> Message-ID: <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> OK, I've been unable to line up an Linux related speaker for tomorrow so I think we'll at least push off till next week and if we don't find someone by then, we'll just skip this month's meeting. Hope you are all enjoying Linux goodness this month! There's a lot to be had. -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org sllug-announce@sllug.org wrote: > Hey everyone, I've been very busy the last few weeks and haven't lined > up a presenter yet. Anyone want to volunteer for a presentation this > Wednesday? > > Send me an email: comments@sllug.org > > Thanks everyone! From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Feb 16 17:59:07 2010 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Feb 16 17:59:11 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: [sllug-announce]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> Message-ID: <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> I would have preferred this week, but next week could work. If you can't find a speaker, a topic and roundtable discussion might be great as a Plan B. For example, I'd love to learn what others are doing on the desktop (what tools are really handy, etc). Or pros and cons of different backup solutions others are using. Or what scripting tools do you find yourself using and why. Or virtualization, comparing platforms and tools. Just about anything that it would be interesting to know how others are doing things. As perl hackers say, there's more than one way to do it-- so its always good to discuss. Almost any topic would be useful. Just a thought. On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 16:16 -0700, Marc Christensen wrote: > OK, I've been unable to line up an Linux related speaker for tomorrow so > I think we'll at least push off till next week and if we don't find > someone by then, we'll just skip this month's meeting. > > Hope you are all enjoying Linux goodness this month! There's a lot to > be had. > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.sllug.org > > sllug-announce@sllug.org wrote: > > Hey everyone, I've been very busy the last few weeks and haven't lined > > up a presenter yet. Anyone want to volunteer for a presentation this > > Wednesday? > > > > Send me an email: comments@sllug.org > > > > Thanks everyone! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 18:07:55 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Feb 16 18:08:06 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: [sllug-announce]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: let's have a BoF one of these times ... they're so much more fun, anyone who wants to can just speak up :) On 2/16/10, Matt Warnock wrote: > I would have preferred this week, but next week could work. If you > can't find a speaker, a topic and roundtable discussion might be great > as a Plan B. > > For example, I'd love to learn what others are doing on the desktop > (what tools are really handy, etc). Or pros and cons of different > backup solutions others are using. Or what scripting tools do you find > yourself using and why. Or virtualization, comparing platforms and > tools. > > Just about anything that it would be interesting to know how others are > doing things. As perl hackers say, there's more than one way to do it-- > so its always good to discuss. Almost any topic would be useful. Just > a thought. > > On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 16:16 -0700, Marc Christensen wrote: >> OK, I've been unable to line up an Linux related speaker for tomorrow so >> I think we'll at least push off till next week and if we don't find >> someone by then, we'll just skip this month's meeting. >> >> Hope you are all enjoying Linux goodness this month! There's a lot to >> be had. >> >> -- >> Marc Christensen >> http://www.sllug.org >> >> sllug-announce@sllug.org wrote: >> > Hey everyone, I've been very busy the last few weeks and haven't lined >> > up a presenter yet. Anyone want to volunteer for a presentation this >> > Wednesday? >> > >> > Send me an email: comments@sllug.org >> > >> > Thanks everyone! >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 22:49:15 2010 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Tue Feb 16 22:49:30 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: [sllug-announce]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > For example, I'd love to learn what others are doing on the desktop > (what tools are really handy, etc). Or pros and cons of different > backup solutions others are using. Or what scripting tools do you find > yourself using and why. Or virtualization, comparing platforms and > tools. > > If anyone wants to talk about virtualization I have an ESXi server kicking around that I'm not using. Dual quad with 16GB ram and 1TB of storage. It's a little bigger than most people would have in their houses (hence why I don't use it), but it's nice for showing what you could do anyway with in home hardware. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100217/d85e7cc7/attachment.htm From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:03:04 2010 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Wed Feb 17 12:03:11 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: [sllug-announce]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: It all depends on what you like. I really like the vsphere client you would use with ESXi. Though, it is a windows application. ESXi also requires a real raid card. The cheapest options are the LSI SAS3041R and the Adaptec 2405 (PCIe x4 devices). Both of which are in the $150-$250 range. You also have to make sure you have a supported ethernet adapter. Intel is always a good bet, but be sure to check the HCL. I guess I'm not making the best case in favor of ESXi, but at least it forces you to get good hardware. That way you don't set it up such that you can plan on it failing in the near future. It's not even open source so I can't argue for it on those grounds. ESXi is just a really nice hypervisor that lets me focus on managing my virtualized systems instead of focusing on managing my VM host. If anyone wants to get together and check out ESXi I'm sure we could arrange that. Shaun On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:07 AM, James Noble wrote: > I am curious about the ESXi server. I currently have proxmox setup and > running various test operating systems. What are the advantages of ESXi > over proxmox or other HyperVisor's? I haven't had any issues with proxmox > as of yet. I haven't done anything with windows yet but I have installed > various versions of Linux. Just simple installs that would probably work on > any HyperVisor. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100217/587f2aec/attachment.htm From lists at chadmayfield.com Wed Feb 17 12:18:48 2010 From: lists at chadmayfield.com (Chad R Mayfield) Date: Wed Feb 17 12:19:04 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: [sllug-announce]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:07 AM, James Noble wrote: > I am curious about the ESXi server. I currently have proxmox setup > and running various test operating systems. What are the advantages > of ESXi over proxmox or other HyperVisor's? I haven't had any > issues with proxmox as of yet. I haven't done anything with windows > yet but I have installed various versions of Linux. Just simple > installs that would probably work on any HyperVisor. I have a 2 node cluster at home running Proxmox with 20+ KVM virtual machines. I love it. A full OS with simple frontend... and easily hackable. I use ESXi extensively at work. I really liked it in the beginning but limitations have proven to be frustrating unless you pay VMware $$$ for more products. I choose Promox for many many reasons. Plus who wants to have a Windows machine (even if it is just a VM) around to administer your ESXi VM's? Chad M Sent from my iPhone From remo at italy1.com Wed Feb 17 13:26:42 2010 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Wed Feb 17 13:27:07 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: [sllug-announce]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <77435D9D-E071-4D9E-B982-55459385FA3A@italy1.com> So the question is will you be able to port vmware images to it? Inviato da iPhone Il giorno Feb 17, 2010, alle ore 11:18, Chad R Mayfield ha scritto: > > On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:07 AM, James Noble > wrote: > >> I am curious about the ESXi server. I currently have proxmox setup >> and running various test operating systems. What are the >> advantages of ESXi over proxmox or other HyperVisor's? I haven't >> had any issues with proxmox as of yet. I haven't done anything >> with windows yet but I have installed various versions of Linux. >> Just simple installs that would probably work on any HyperVisor. > > I have a 2 node cluster at home running Proxmox with 20+ KVM virtual > machines. I love it. A full OS with simple frontend... and easily > hackable. > > I use ESXi extensively at work. I really liked it in the beginning > but limitations have proven to be frustrating unless you pay VMware $ > $$ for more products. > > I choose Promox for many many reasons. Plus who wants to have a > Windows machine (even if it is just a VM) around to administer your > ESXi VM's? > > Chad M > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:4b7c41b770101127720401! > From lists at chadmayfield.com Wed Feb 17 16:12:48 2010 From: lists at chadmayfield.com (Chad R Mayfield) Date: Wed Feb 17 16:13:05 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: [sllug-announce]: Looking for a presenter for the meeting this Wednesday In-Reply-To: <77435D9D-E071-4D9E-B982-55459385FA3A@italy1.com> References: <4B799CDD.2080806@sllug.org> <4B7B2748.4080200@sllug.org> <1266368347.3265.103.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <77435D9D-E071-4D9E-B982-55459385FA3A@italy1.com> Message-ID: On Feb 17, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > So the question is will you be able to port vmware images to it? > > Inviato da iPhone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes. Using qemi-img to convert the vmdk to raw or qcow2 for use with KVM. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMI/Images Chad M Sent from my iPhone From white.armor at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 09:49:48 2010 From: white.armor at gmail.com (Jordan Schatz) Date: Fri Feb 19 09:49:56 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone want to sell a server rack? Message-ID: <48d604ab1002190849t457bb760m89876fe18a14616e@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I am looking to pick up a server rack inexpensively, anyone have one you want to get rid of? Thanks, Jordan From caleb at macjunk.net Fri Feb 19 11:00:04 2010 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Fri Feb 19 11:00:13 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone want to sell a server rack? In-Reply-To: <48d604ab1002190849t457bb760m89876fe18a14616e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48d604ab1002190849t457bb760m89876fe18a14616e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <276929711002191000p870ea9m91dc6c55726a0397@mail.gmail.com> I've got a 42U Dell rack that I'm not using, hit me off list if you're interested. If you don't want a cabinet, I also have a 2 post ~1/3-1/2 high telco rack that could be made available. They're located in Riverton. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Jordan Schatz wrote: > Hey, > > I am looking to pick up a server rack inexpensively, anyone have one > you want to get rid of? > > Thanks, > Jordan > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Contact me off-list, if you want it. - Jon On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Jordan Schatz wrote: > Hey, > > I am looking to pick up a server rack inexpensively, anyone have one > you want to get rid of? > > Thanks, > Jordan > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From marc at sllug.org Wed Feb 24 12:05:58 2010 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Wed Feb 24 12:06:19 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting tonight - Feb 24, 2010: Intro to Mono Message-ID: <4B857896.9090306@sllug.org> Hey everyone, There *will* be a Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting tonight. I'll be presenting on "An introduction to Mono". Mono is a runtime environment that allows you to run programs built using .NET framework on Linux/Mac/Windows. It's free and opensource. It allows migration from MS to Linux sever/desktop platforms for running cross-platform applications. There is support for ASP.NET and Winform applications. I'll demo running command line, GUI and Web applications. See http://www.mono-project.com for more details about mono. See you all there! -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 15:24:43 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Feb 24 15:24:52 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting tonight - Feb 24, 2010: Intro to Mono In-Reply-To: <4B857896.9090306@sllug.org> References: <4B857896.9090306@sllug.org> Message-ID: well you could have told us earlier. i thought it wasn't gonna happen. now i probably can't come. :( On 2/24/10, Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey everyone, > > There *will* be a Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting tonight. I'll be > presenting on "An introduction to Mono". > > Mono is a runtime environment that allows you to run programs built > using .NET framework on Linux/Mac/Windows. It's free and opensource. It > allows migration from MS to Linux sever/desktop platforms for running > cross-platform applications. There is support for ASP.NET and Winform > applications. > > I'll demo running command line, GUI and Web applications. > > See http://www.mono-project.com for more details about mono. > > See you all there! > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.sllug.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From marc at sllug.org Wed Feb 24 15:43:19 2010 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Wed Feb 24 15:43:30 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting tonight - Feb 24, 2010: Intro to Mono In-Reply-To: References: <4B857896.9090306@sllug.org> Message-ID: <4B85AB87.3080202@sllug.org> Christian Horne wrote: > well you could have told us earlier. i thought it wasn't gonna happen. > now i probably can't come. :( Well, there's just a lot going on right now. I wasn't sure myself if I was going to be able to pull off a meeting this month. Just doing the best I can right now with limited time and resources. Sorry for the short notice. Hope you can make it next time. -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 16:37:13 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Feb 24 16:37:24 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting tonight - Feb 24, 2010: Intro to Mono In-Reply-To: <4B85AB87.3080202@sllug.org> References: <4B857896.9090306@sllug.org> <4B85AB87.3080202@sllug.org> Message-ID: then thanks for doing it at all :) turns out i can come. On 2/24/10, Marc Christensen wrote: > Christian Horne wrote: >> well you could have told us earlier. i thought it wasn't gonna happen. >> now i probably can't come. :( > > Well, there's just a lot going on right now. I wasn't sure myself if I > was going to be able to pull off a meeting this month. Just doing the > best I can right now with limited time and resources. Sorry for the > short notice. Hope you can make it next time. > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.sllug.org > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Feb 24 17:08:19 2010 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Feb 24 17:08:22 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting tonight - Feb 24, 2010: Intro to Mono In-Reply-To: References: <4B857896.9090306@sllug.org> <4B85AB87.3080202@sllug.org> Message-ID: <1267056499.29470.357.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Why is this the 4th Wed? Don't we meet the 3rd Wed? If we're doing the 4th now, I have a standing conflict. On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 16:37 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > then thanks for doing it at all :) > > turns out i can come. > > On 2/24/10, Marc Christensen wrote: > > Christian Horne wrote: > >> well you could have told us earlier. i thought it wasn't gonna happen. > >> now i probably can't come. :( > > > > Well, there's just a lot going on right now. I wasn't sure myself if I > > was going to be able to pull off a meeting this month. Just doing the > > best I can right now with limited time and resources. Sorry for the > > short notice. Hope you can make it next time. > > > > -- > > Marc Christensen > > http://www.sllug.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 17:24:39 2010 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Feb 24 17:24:53 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting tonight - Feb 24, 2010: Intro to Mono In-Reply-To: <1267056499.29470.357.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B857896.9090306@sllug.org> <4B85AB87.3080202@sllug.org> <1267056499.29470.357.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: If you'll look back at the archives, it *was* on the third Wednesday, but no topic had been decided. Marc suggested the move just this once to the fourth Wednesday. I don't think it's going to be an issue. Clint On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Matt Warnock wrote: > Why is this the 4th Wed? ?Don't we meet the 3rd Wed? ?If we're doing the > 4th now, I have a standing conflict. > > On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 16:37 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: >> then thanks for doing it at all :) >> >> turns out i can come. >> >> On 2/24/10, Marc Christensen wrote: >> > Christian Horne wrote: >> >> well you could have told us earlier. i thought it wasn't gonna happen. >> >> now i probably can't come. :( >> > >> > Well, there's just a lot going on right now. ?I wasn't sure myself if I >> > was going to be able to pull off a meeting this month. Just doing the >> > best I can right now with limited time and resources. Sorry for the >> > short notice. ?Hope you can make it next time. >> > >> > -- >> > Marc Christensen >> > http://www.sllug.org >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > >> >> > > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Feb 24 22:15:12 2010 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Feb 24 22:15:16 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting tonight - Feb 24, 2010: Intro to Mono In-Reply-To: References: <4B857896.9090306@sllug.org> <4B85AB87.3080202@sllug.org> <1267056499.29470.357.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <1267074912.29470.388.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> That's right, I had forgotten. Thanks for setting me straight. On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 17:24 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > If you'll look back at the archives, it *was* on the third Wednesday, > but no topic had been decided. Marc suggested the move just this once > to the fourth Wednesday. I don't think it's going to be an issue. > > Clint > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Matt Warnock > wrote: > > Why is this the 4th Wed? Don't we meet the 3rd Wed? If we're doing the > > 4th now, I have a standing conflict. > > > > On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 16:37 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > >> then thanks for doing it at all :) > >> > >> turns out i can come. > >> > >> On 2/24/10, Marc Christensen wrote: > >> > Christian Horne wrote: > >> >> well you could have told us earlier. i thought it wasn't gonna happen. > >> >> now i probably can't come. :( > >> > > >> > Well, there's just a lot going on right now. I wasn't sure myself if I > >> > was going to be able to pull off a meeting this month. Just doing the > >> > best I can right now with limited time and resources. Sorry for the > >> > short notice. Hope you can make it next time. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Marc Christensen > >> > http://www.sllug.org > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> > sllug-members@sllug.org > >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Matt Warnock > > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From shawn at willden.org Fri Feb 26 22:38:55 2010 From: shawn at willden.org (Shawn Willden) Date: Fri Feb 26 22:39:16 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> References: <1265670407.3170.33.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: <773c89341002262138s37f066d5tc139b341033d4a64@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Richard Nadeau wrote: > I've got 20 Google Wave invites available, any takers? > Got any Google Voice invites? I'm looking for one of those. -- Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100226/eaaeb33f/attachment.htm From white.armor at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 14:57:54 2010 From: white.armor at gmail.com (Jordan Schatz) Date: Sat Feb 27 15:01:25 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? Message-ID: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 15:05:59 2010 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Sat Feb 27 16:53:46 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> Message-ID: No clue, but maybe you can help me I've seen OT all over the place, but other than Old testament, what on earth does it mean? ~Leif Andersen ---------- So Much to Learn, Such Little Time http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 14:57, Jordan Schatz wrote: > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100227/1da60e0d/attachment.htm From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 17:03:00 2010 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Feb 27 17:05:45 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> Message-ID: <4B89B2B4.8050401@gmail.com> Leif Andersen wrote: > No clue, but maybe you can help me I've seen OT all over the place, > but other than Old testament, what on earth does it mean? > > ~Leif Andersen Off Topic :D From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 17:05:56 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Feb 27 17:06:04 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> Message-ID: i think "off topic" ... On 2/27/10, Leif Andersen wrote: > No clue, but maybe you can help me I've seen OT all over the place, but > other than Old testament, what on earth does it mean? > > ~Leif Andersen > > ---------- > So Much to Learn, Such Little Time > http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ > > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 14:57, Jordan Schatz wrote: > >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > -- the blendmaster From vi at dubbayou.com Sat Feb 27 17:48:59 2010 From: vi at dubbayou.com (Richard Nadeau) Date: Sat Feb 27 17:50:46 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> Message-ID: <1267318139.3433.26.camel@strouthos> On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 15:05 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > No clue, but maybe you can help me I've seen OT all over the place, > but other than Old testament, what on earth does it mean? ot: (pronunciation: \?o?t, ??t\, from: Old English) adverb meaning: at all; in any degree Therefore, to answer the question properly, "Ot anyone know the proprietary language SSML?": Yes, someone ot to know, but I don't. ;) Rick From white.armor at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:23:14 2010 From: white.armor at gmail.com (Jordan Schatz) Date: Sat Feb 27 19:26:50 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> Message-ID: <20100228022314.GA19387@gryfalcon> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 03:05:59PM -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > No clue, but maybe you can help me I've seen OT all over the place, but > other than Old testament, what on earth does it mean? Well, my moma taught me three rules of etiquette: 1) always trim posts I am responding to, 2) never write my response above the question, and 3) always identify off topic posts with an OT in the subject line ; ) It always kept my backside from getting fried. -Jordan From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 21:31:40 2010 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Sat Feb 27 21:32:07 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: <20100228022314.GA19387@gryfalcon> References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> <20100228022314.GA19387@gryfalcon> Message-ID: Really, my mother knows next to nothing about email, and I doubt she's ever heard of a mailing list. ;) Anyway, thank you people. ~Leif Andersen ---------- So Much to Learn, Such Little Time http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 19:23, Jordan Schatz wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 03:05:59PM -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > > No clue, but maybe you can help me I've seen OT all over the place, but > > other than Old testament, what on earth does it mean? > > Well, my moma taught me three rules of etiquette: 1) always trim posts I > am responding to, 2) never write my response above the question, and 3) > always identify off topic posts with an OT in the subject line ; ) > It always kept my backside from getting fried. > > -Jordan > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100227/a407c235/attachment.html From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 21:43:52 2010 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Feb 27 21:44:01 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> <20100228022314.GA19387@gryfalcon> Message-ID: heh, your mother ... my mother does more email than she talks, and she talks a heck of a lot on the phone. if someone doesn't answer an email like we do and irc message she gets antsy. xD ... jordan, i don't think anybody here knows SSML. On 2/27/10, Leif Andersen wrote: > Really, my mother knows next to nothing about email, and I doubt she's ever > heard of a mailing list. ;) > > Anyway, thank you people. > > ~Leif Andersen > > ---------- > So Much to Learn, Such Little Time > http://leifandersen.net/2010/02/03/so-much-to-learn-such-little-time/ > > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 19:23, Jordan Schatz wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 03:05:59PM -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: >> > No clue, but maybe you can help me I've seen OT all over the place, but >> > other than Old testament, what on earth does it mean? >> >> Well, my moma taught me three rules of etiquette: 1) always trim posts I >> am responding to, 2) never write my response above the question, and 3) >> always identify off topic posts with an OT in the subject line ; ) >> It always kept my backside from getting fried. >> >> -Jordan >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > -- the blendmaster From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Sat Feb 27 22:10:15 2010 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Sat Feb 27 22:10:32 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> <20100228022314.GA19387@gryfalcon> Message-ID: <1267333815.14419.659.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 21:43 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > heh, your mother ... my mother does more email than she talks, and she > talks a heck of a lot on the phone. if someone doesn't answer an email > like we do and irc message she gets antsy. xD ... jordan, i don't > think anybody here knows SSML. Google says its a W3C draft for "Speech Synthesis Markup Language". Not proprietary. Is that the one the OP meant? I didn't see any other SSMLs mentioned, but I didn't go deep. It usually helps to give at least a *little* context on questions like this. -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 11:59:17 2010 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Sun Feb 28 11:59:45 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT Anyone know the proprietary language SSML? In-Reply-To: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> References: <20100227215754.GA13290@gryfalcon> Message-ID: <2e84de771002281059k50a88a88w85ca19e6aa199f3b@mail.gmail.com> I've worked _very_ briefly with SSML, as long as you mean speech synthesis markup language. The language itself is pretty intuitive, simple, and straightforward. My impression, however, has been that pretty much anything that implements it doesn't follow the W3C standard, and introduces its own odd quirks. I guess a good question to ask would be: What is your question? Why are you asking? What do you need help with? -- Michael Heath -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100228/fa1da81a/attachment.htm From afa5cfq at msn.com Wed Feb 24 06:59:15 2010 From: afa5cfq at msn.com (Jerry Stewart) Date: Tue Mar 16 10:04:00 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: Fiber Optics Message-ID: Saw Bryant in a council meeting last night. During a break, I asked if he had been contacted by anyone from the Linux community about the High Speed Fiber Optics issue and he said no. Did not feel qualified to go into any details with him since all I know is the chatter I hear in this forum. Bryant and I shared the same office at Sperry (L3) for my first 4 years with the company. Sperry SLC has been using fiber optics to move high speed data from point A to B since the early 90s. I used it in my system designs before I retired, not sure if Bryant has, but know he is knowledgeable enough. The real issue is political cost benefits trade off. Now would be the time for some one to contact him that knows the political issues. From sirald66 at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 03:20:24 2010 From: sirald66 at gmail.com (ANDY) Date: Tue Mar 16 10:06:43 2010 Subject: [sllug-members]: 1GIG Fiber in Utah through google In-Reply-To: <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> References: <1266038602.3265.39.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1266120631.1931.1359873501@webmail.messagingengine.com> <148f6bb31002132027q681872e2i85eb9d55111aaf2c@mail.gmail.com> <31CC65236996F747B2B4343C9EAD953A05B1FEB72A@UTAEXCHC1MB1.uta.cog.ut.us> <4B78F079.10909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <17f9906e1002150220r1a5dcbbbu8db4cb5b1ee3a374@mail.gmail.com> UTOPIA has not been fully embraced, why Google Fiber? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20100215/11175cbb/attachment.htm