From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 11:08:14 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Sep 1 11:08:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: postgres 8.3 and plr 8.3.0.8 Message-ID: <4A9D54FE.4080707@gmail.com> I'm learning how to setup plr under postgres 8.3 and have been running into a problem. Not sure if anyone here has any ideas but what I've done is setup the dependencies including loading the R language. I can run R just fine in the command line however when I setup R_HOME and compile plr I get a 0 byte shared library. I also noticed I'm getting a library not found error but R_HOME is setup properly to the home directory of R (which includes the libraries and include files). Am I missing something else? I'm building it using PGXS=1 but I guess I could always just download the source and try that. I thought I could build the procedural languages without needing the postgres source code (and rebuilding postgres for that matter). Thoughts on what else I could try? Thanks! From eggyknap at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 11:24:53 2009 From: eggyknap at gmail.com (Joshua Tolley) Date: Tue Sep 1 11:25:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: postgres 8.3 and plr 8.3.0.8 In-Reply-To: <4A9D54FE.4080707@gmail.com> References: <4A9D54FE.4080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090901172453.GL416@eddie> On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 11:08:14AM -0600, u235sentinel wrote: > I'm learning how to setup plr under postgres 8.3 and have been running > into a problem. Not sure if anyone here has any ideas but what I've > done is setup the dependencies including loading the R language. I can > run R just fine in the command line however when I setup R_HOME and > compile plr I get a 0 byte shared library. I also noticed I'm getting a > library not found error but R_HOME is setup properly to the home > directory of R (which includes the libraries and include files). Could you post the exact output? At least some distros have plr packages already. > Am I missing something else? > > I'm building it using PGXS=1 but I guess I could always just download > the source and try that. I thought I could build the procedural > languages without needing the postgres source code (and rebuilding > postgres for that matter). You shouldn't need the postgres source, but you'll definitely need postgres headers (typically found in a package called something like postgresql-devel). -- Joshua Tolley / eggyknap End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's very frustrating :/ USE_PGXS=1 make /usr/local/bin/gcc -O2 -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wendif-labels -fno-strict-aliasing -fwrapv -fPIC -shared -h libplr.so.0 plr.o pg_conversion.o pg_backend_support.o pg_userfuncs.o pg_rsupport.o -L/usr/local/R/lib/R//bin -L/usr/local/R/lib/R//lib -L/usr/local/pgsql/lib -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib -L/usr/openwin/lib -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -L/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.2/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lR -Wl,-R'/usr/local/pgsql/lib' -o libplr.so.0.0 ld: fatal: library -lR: not found ld: fatal: File processing errors. No output written to libplr.so.0.0 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [libplr.so.0.0] Error 1 R_HOME=/usr/local/R/lib/R I'm getting the impression that libR.so is missing even though I installed the package. I'm looking at building R from source now. Perhaps that will help I'm thinking. > > > You shouldn't need the postgres source, but you'll definitely need postgres > headers (typically found in a package called something like postgresql-devel). > > -- Yeah. I figured that's probably the case. I have the devel installed but still missing something. libR.so?? Thanks! From eggyknap at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 22:52:45 2009 From: eggyknap at gmail.com (Joshua Tolley) Date: Tue Sep 1 22:53:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: postgres 8.3 and plr 8.3.0.8 In-Reply-To: <4A9DBE7E.2050000@gmail.com> References: <4A9D54FE.4080707@gmail.com> <20090901172453.GL416@eddie> <4A9DBE7E.2050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090902045245.GO416@eddie> On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 06:38:22PM -0600, u235sentinel wrote: > ld: fatal: library -lR: not found > ld: fatal: File processing errors. No output written to libplr.so.0.0 > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make: *** [libplr.so.0.0] Error 1 > > R_HOME=/usr/local/R/lib/R > > I'm getting the impression that libR.so is missing even though I > installed the package. I'm looking at building R from source now. > Perhaps that will help I'm thinking. Yep, clearly it can't find libR.so. That's the shared object version of the R interpreter, and it's what PL/R uses to do all its heavy lifting. Essentially, PL/R is simply glue code to convert PostgreSQL data types to R data types and back again, and to provide a few R functions to do things like issue database queries from within R code. Perhaps libR.so doesn't get installed with the R package you've got (I'm shooting in the dark on that one, but it sure looks that way) >> You shouldn't need the postgres source, but you'll definitely need postgres >> headers (typically found in a package called something like postgresql-devel). > > Yeah. I figured that's probably the case. I have the devel installed > but still missing something. libR.so?? It looks like the postgres devel stuff is installed fine, since your build apparently got far enough along that files like plr.o exist. The files it's using in the linking step, where it's breaking, wouldn't exist if your postgres devel stuff was broken. -- Joshua Tolley / eggyknap End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps libR.so doesn't get installed with the R > package you've got (I'm shooting in the dark on that one, but it sure looks > that way) > > {snip} > > > It looks like the postgres devel stuff is installed fine, since your build > apparently got far enough along that files like plr.o exist. The files it's > using in the linking step, where it's breaking, wouldn't exist if your > postgres devel stuff was broken. > > > Yeah libR is missing :-( Somehow It's not there but R works fine from the console. Weird. I installed it from a package but now I'm thinking I'll need to install it from source. I'll give that a whirl. Hopefully it will compile properly :D Thanks. I'll bug you guys again if R also gives me grief :D From eggyknap at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 07:00:43 2009 From: eggyknap at gmail.com (Joshua Tolley) Date: Wed Sep 2 07:01:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: postgres 8.3 and plr 8.3.0.8 In-Reply-To: <4A9E6B16.3070305@gmail.com> References: <4A9D54FE.4080707@gmail.com> <20090901172453.GL416@eddie> <4A9DBE7E.2050000@gmail.com> <20090902045245.GO416@eddie> <4A9E6B16.3070305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090902130043.GP416@eddie> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 06:54:46AM -0600, u235sentinel wrote: > Yeah libR is missing :-( > > Somehow It's not there but R works fine from the console. Weird. It's entirely possible R itself doesn't depend on libR.so; in fact, it probably has a couple different compile options, one of which builds libR.so and another which doesn't. The purpose of libR.so is simply so that other applications can embed an R interpreter, which isn't a terribly common requirement. 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The R console likely has its R interpreter statically linked, and > doesn't use any external R interpreter library. > Makes sense. I'm digging through the errors I get when I compile. I'm wondering if this makes sense to anyone out there :D Thanks ld: warning: file /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so: attempted multiple inclusion of file Undefined first referenced symbol in file __builtin_isnan libR.a(plot.o) ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to R.bin collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [R.bin] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/R-2.9.2/src/main' make[2]: *** [R] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/R-2.9.2/src/main' make[1]: *** [R] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/R-2.9.2/src' make: *** [R] Error 1 From dbb at beatties.us Wed Sep 2 18:10:44 2009 From: dbb at beatties.us (Doug Beattie) Date: Wed Sep 2 18:11:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [usergroups@informit.com: Pearson Education User Group Program Newsletter -- September 2009] Message-ID: <20090903001044.GA19785@beatties.us> Forward from those who donate books to our group for give-a-ways. -- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "InformIT User Groups" Subject: Pearson Education User Group Program Newsletter -- September 2009 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:26:11 -0400 Size: 41241 Url: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090902/d3a9fdf8/attachment-0001.mht From eggyknap at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 21:20:43 2009 From: eggyknap at gmail.com (Joshua Tolley) Date: Wed Sep 2 21:21:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: postgres 8.3 and plr 8.3.0.8 In-Reply-To: <4A9EA81B.7060509@gmail.com> References: <4A9D54FE.4080707@gmail.com> <20090901172453.GL416@eddie> <4A9DBE7E.2050000@gmail.com> <20090902045245.GO416@eddie> <4A9E6B16.3070305@gmail.com> <20090902130043.GP416@eddie> <4A9EA81B.7060509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090903032043.GW416@eddie> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 11:15:07AM -0600, u235sentinel wrote: > Joshua Tolley wrote: >> It's entirely possible R itself doesn't depend on libR.so; in fact, it >> probably has a couple different compile options, one of which builds libR.so >> and another which doesn't. The purpose of libR.so is simply so that other >> applications can embed an R interpreter, which isn't a terribly common >> requirement. The R console likely has its R interpreter statically linked, and >> doesn't use any external R interpreter library. >> > > Makes sense. I'm digging through the errors I get when I compile. I'm > wondering if this makes sense to anyone out there :D > > > Thanks > > > ld: warning: file /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so: attempted multiple > inclusion of file > Undefined first referenced > symbol in file > __builtin_isnan libR.a(plot.o) > ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to R.bin > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status For what it's worth, I think I've some idea of what this error means, but no idea why it would happen nor what to do about it. For what it's worth, further reading suggests that R is typically built without the --enable-R-shlib flag, which is what you'll need to generate libR.so, because statically linking the R console is apparently much faster. Presumably that's why libR.so didn't come in the R package I gather you originally installed. Not that that helps much... -- Joshua Tolley / eggyknap End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090902/e72ca65a/attachment.pgp From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 00:13:40 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Utah Open Source) Date: Thu Sep 3 00:13:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Have your LUG meeting at the Utah Open Source Conference 2009 Message-ID: <1a949040588cef56a28d47927d8d7e44@sugar.utos.org> Greetings! The Utah Open Source Conference 2009 is the premier venue for the discussion of open source technologies in the Mountain West, held on October 8-10, 2009. Your Local User Group (LUG) deals specifically with open source, so we have set aside time slots so you can actually hold your monthly meeting during our conference. This gives you a great venue with the potential to pull in new members as well as expose your existing members to other technologies that can fit well with your normal topics. We have a limited number of slots for LUGs to meet, so please contact us as soon as possible if you are interested. LUG meetings will be on Thursday, the first day of the conference, and LUG leaders have 3-5 minutes during our conference introduction that day to pitch their group to attendees. LUG members also get 50% a discount on conference admission, the promo code for Salt Lake Linux Users Group is SLLUG. You might also consider printing up flyers for distribution that contain an overview of your LUG, the date, time, and location of your regular meetings, and the time and location of your meeting at UTOSC 2009. If you would like to take advantage of this opportunity, please contact Barry McCormick about your LUG meeting schedule and the 5 minute "who-we-are" speech. Barry is available at bmac2@maildragon.com or 801-403-8625. C. R. is available at cro@ncbt.org or 801-564-4673. We look forward to helping your LUG be a valuable part of our conference. Please get your members to register and attend!! Registration is available at http://attend.utosc.com, and the conference website is at http://2009.utosc.com. Sincerely, Barry McCormick C. R. Oldham Program Managers Utah Open Source Conference 2009 From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 07:59:48 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Utah Open Source) Date: Fri Sep 4 07:59:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: (no subject) Message-ID: <590f5a6edac22fec7889d7bf35d515ca@sugar.utos.org> The Utah Open Source Conference 2009 is rapidly approaching, and while you might not have be a presenter, you still have opportunities to help out in the largest community technology conference in the Mountain West. Just like the rest of the Open Source World, the conference depends on volunteers to help our community have the best experience possible. The conference team is looking for volunteers to help with several jobs to make our conference be better than ever. * Help out more in the open source community * Get FREE entrance to the conference * Make sure you have the best seat for the presentations you like All volunteers will be expected to participate for 4 hours, with flexible schedules. 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How to Become a Volunteer for UTOSC 2009 If you are interested in helping out, contact us at volunteer@utos.org with your schedule, and what you would like to do to help Open Source succeed in Utah. From wattwood at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 10:50:30 2009 From: wattwood at gmail.com (William Attwood) Date: Fri Sep 4 10:50:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Datamark Employees Message-ID: <7f2da9a80909040950k2a546345lc28e631c30719aa3@mail.gmail.com> Do we have any Datamark Employees on this list? I'd like to ask a few Q's about the work environment. -- Take care, William Attwood Idea Extraordinaire wattwood@gmail.com Ted Turner - "Sports is like a war without the killing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090904/0fa274d5/attachment.html From beebe at math.utah.edu Fri Sep 4 13:00:18 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. 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If you have announcements or events for October 2009 or beyond happening around open source in the Mountain West which you would like included, please contact clint@utos.org. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Upcoming Activities for September 2009 Wed, September 9, 11:30pm ? 1:00pm SLLUG: Daytime SIG Meeting Where: BetaLoft SLC - 357 West 200 S, Suite 201, Salt Lake City Contact: Clint Savage, herlo1@gmail.com Wed, September 9, 7:30pm ? 9:00pm Provo Linux Users Group Link: http://plug.org Where: Omniture Contact: Ryan Simpkins, simpkins.ryan @gmail.com Thu, September 10, 7:00pm ? 8:30pm Utah Python User Group Meeting Link: http://utahpython.org Where: Bill Good Marketing, 12393 Gateway Park Pl #600 Draper, Utah Contact: Dave, tonedevf AT gmail.com Sat, September 12, 12 - 5pm Utah CodeAway Link: http://codeaway.org/ Contact: Laura Moncur, laura @ moncur.biz Sat, September 12, 6pm ? 8pm Ubuntu-Utah Meeting Link: http://utah.ubuntu-us.org Where: University of Utah - Merrill Engineering Building (MEB) Comp-Sci Labs Rm 2555 Contact: Mike Basinger mike dOT basinger @ gmail Wed, September 16, 7:10pm ? 8:40pm Salt Lake Linux User Group (SLLUG) Link: http://sllug.org Where: University of Utah, Warnock Engineering Building (WEB) room 101 (or 103) (Previously known as EMCB) Contact: Marc Christensen marc aT mecworks.com Thu, September 17, 6pm ? 9pm Utah Mobile Developers Group Where: STG Dev Center, 555 South 300 East, Salt Lake City, Utah Contact: Glen Lewis, glen @ glenlewis.com Thu, September 17, 6pm ? 9pm Utah Java User's Group (ujug.org) Link: http://ujug.org Where: Intermountain Medical Center, Doty Family Education Center, Murray, Utah Contact: Chris Maki, chrismaki AT me.com Thu, September 17, 7:00pm ? 8:30pm Utah PHP User Group (UPHPU) Link: http://uphpu.org Where: Bill Good Marketing, Draper, Utah Contact: Victor Villa, vvilla @ gmail.com Sat, September 19 UTOSC 2009 Early Bird Registration Ends http://attend.utosc.com to register Use the promo code SLLUG. to get 50% off a Full Access Pass Sat, September 19 International Talk Like a Pirate Day http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ Sat, September 19 Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ Tue, September 22, 6:30pm ? 8:00pm SLC Ruby (slc.rb) Link: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/urug Where: Neumont University Room #300 Contact: Jake Mallory, tinomen @gmail.com Tue, September 22 7:30pm - 9:00pm Ogden Area Linux User Group Link: http://oalug.com Where: Weber County Main Library, Board Room Contact: Seth House, whiteinge aTT gmail Fri, September 24, 8:00am CTO Breakfast Link: http://www.windley.com/cto_forum Contact: Phil Windley, phil AT WINDLEY dot org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Each of the events are from the Utah Tech Events calendar. Feel free to subscribe by clicking the link below (or adding the following feed to your calendaring program) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Utah Tech Events Calendar - Google Calendar: http://sn.im/ute-calendar Utah Tech Events Calendar - iCal Feed: http://sn.im/ute-calendar-ics From rll123 at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 7 21:23:05 2009 From: rll123 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Lewis) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:23:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Group Roster Message-ID: <4AA5CE19.5000503@sbcglobal.net> I am looking around for a good program where I can produce a booklet for a group Roster. Preferably something that will run on MS, Linux and MAC but not 100% necessary. It should allow for some manipulation of the number of fields. I have been sniffing at OpenOffice but so far this feature hasn't been obvious. Any suggestions? Cheers, Bob From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 21:33:37 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:33:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Group Roster In-Reply-To: <4AA5CE19.5000503@sbcglobal.net> References: <4AA5CE19.5000503@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Google docs. You could create a survey, and just have people write in it, and then it can save it to a database/spreadsheet. Either that, or I suppose if your feeling ambitious, you could write something up in php/ruby/perl, that uses SQLlight, or MySQL, for a database. ~Leif $100 invested at 7% interest for 100 years will become $100,000, at which time it will be worth absolutely nothing -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love" On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > I am looking around for a good program where I can produce > a booklet for a group Roster. Preferably something that will > run on MS, Linux and MAC but not 100% necessary. It should > allow for some manipulation of the number of fields. > > I have been sniffing at OpenOffice but so far this feature > hasn't been obvious. > > Any suggestions? > > Cheers, > Bob > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090907/28638ac8/attachment.htm From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 19:48:35 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Sep 8 19:48:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Tomorrow Morning: SLLUG Daytime SIG Message-ID: Hey all, tomorrow is the Daytime SIG. I'm going to be presenting my UTOSC presentation (http://2009.utosc.com/presentation/68/) to iron out the wrinkles. :) anyway, the location/time, like usual: 11:30pm ? 1:00pm BetaLoft SLC - 357 West 200 S, Suite 201, Salt Lake City http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=357+West+200+S+Salt+Lake+City&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.36116,78.837891&ie=UTF8&z=16 -- the blendmaster From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 20:01:43 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue Sep 8 20:01:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Tomorrow Morning: SLLUG Daytime SIG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Christian, see you all tomorrow. Cheers, Clint On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > Hey all, tomorrow is the Daytime SIG. I'm going to be presenting my > UTOSC presentation (http://2009.utosc.com/presentation/68/) to iron > out the wrinkles. :) > > anyway, the location/time, like usual: > > > 11:30pm ? 1:00pm > BetaLoft SLC - 357 West 200 S, Suite 201, Salt Lake City > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=357+West+200+S+Salt+Lake+City&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.36116,78.837891&ie=UTF8&z=16 > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 16:50:40 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Utah Open Source) Date: Fri Sep 11 16:50:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: UTOSC 2009 Early Bird Registration ends September 19! Message-ID: <026a715abfb657b0ff9f33ea7091d61e@sugar.utos.org> UTOSC 2009 Early Bird Registration Ends Soon! The Utah Open Source Conference 2009 Early Bird registration ends September 19! Register now for the best community conference in the Mountain West! UTOSC 2009 is literally 4 weeks away!! It's time to visit http://attend.utosc.com and register today. We have a promo code for Salt Lake Linux Users Group, good for 50% off the Full Access Pass. That promo code is: SLLUG Be sure to register before September 19 and save 30%!! So, what's going on at UTOSC 2009, October 8-10 at the Miller Campus of the Salt Lake Community College? --- Over 50 presentations, including 3 awesome keynotes --- -- Daren Brabham of the University of Utah will speak on Crowdsourcing on Thursday, October 8 -- Stormy Peters of the GNOME Foundation will discuss 'Would you do it again for free?' on Friday, October 9 -- Dave McAllister of Adobe explains 'Big Company, Open Choice: Why Adobe is becoming Open' on Saturday, October 10 Visit the full schedule at http://2009.utosc.com/presentation/schedule/ to have a look and find your favorites. --- Be a part of the community - October 8, 2009 --- Thursday is Community Day! Mini-LUG meetings, Birds of a Feather Sessions and our Try-It Lab Workshops will headline this day. Never fear, however, there are 2 tracks of presentations, the Guru Labs University, CTO Breakfast and the ODF Alliance demonstrations too! Round out the day with some light geek fun at Ignite Salt Lake 3.5! Don't miss the Lego activity and the wacky 5 minute format. Everyone is invited (for free), but you must register for Ignite at http://attend.utosc.com. --- All about the presentations - October 9, 2009 --- Friday is jam-packed with presentations and workshops. We have a great headliner with Stormy Peters, plus some really, really good presentations rounding out the day. In the evening, we're heading to Spaghetti Mama's for some Italian Sodas, Pizza, Pasta and fun! And if you are still up for more after that, all night hacking is *not* out of the question! --- Bring the whole crew on Family Day -- October 10, 2009 --- Saturday is among the funnest days for families. Because Utah and the Mountain West focus a lot on the family, UTOSC does too! Saturday has educational family presentations in the Beginner and Intermediate levels, a GPS treasure hunt and a Pizza Lunch (sponsored by openSUSE). Bring the whole crew for free with every Full Access Attendee!! --- REGISTER TODAY - Early Bird registration ends September 19!! --- Registration is available at http://attend.utosc.com - Use promo code: SLLUG Presentation and event information is available at http://2009.utosc.com If this is not enough, UTOSC 2009 always has great SWAG and exhibitors!! Among the exhibitors are; Fedora, Ubuntu, openSUSE, KDE, GNOME, Utah Free Media, Utah OpenTech, OpenVZ and the folks from tech.lds.org. See you all at the Utah Open Source Conference 2009, October 8 - 10 From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 11:42:00 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sun Sep 13 11:42:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: anyone know of a wireless card or dongle that has a RF connector? Message-ID: hey all, I'm about to get a wifi antenna from Omar, and I'm going to want to plug it into my router computer. this router computer is just a Debian desktop w/o screen, not surprisingly with USB and PCI. so I'm trying to find a Linux-compatible PCI or USB wifi card with an RF connector, preferably N-type, but anything will work, I'll just get a pigtail. ideas anyone? this is a possible double-send, forgive me if it is, just blame the slow connection :P -- the blendmaster From marc at sllug.org Wed Sep 16 07:39:03 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Wed Sep 16 07:39:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting postponed one week (untill Sept. 23rd, 2009) SUSE Studio!!! Message-ID: <4AB0EA77.3040300@sllug.org> Hey everyone, With busy schedules at work and home we've found it necessary to postpone the Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting one week until the 23rd of September. However, the presentation should be really interesting. I'll be presenting an introduction to Suse Studio. Here's some details: SUSE Studio: Have you ever wanted to make your own live CD? A specialty Linux Appliance? A bootable USB Linux distro or virtual machine image customized to exactly what you want? SUSE Studio makes it incredibly easy to do. With it, you have the ability to add you own RPMs to a base image or select from several repositories available in the openSUSE Build Service. You can brand and customize your distro as well. Does your company have a Linux product they want to support but find many problems stem from a variety of unknown software beneath the product or resulting from incompatible libraries found in older or unsupported/tested distributions? Your company could control everything in a single supported environment and distribute as a live CD or virtual machine image solving the issues completely or just make an easy way for customers to test-drive a product. I'll give a brief introduction to SUSE Studio to help you get started. -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 15:46:16 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Sep 16 15:46:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting postponed one week (untill Sept. 23rd, 2009) SUSE Studio!!! In-Reply-To: <4AB0EA77.3040300@sllug.org> References: <4AB0EA77.3040300@sllug.org> Message-ID: WHAT!?!? i've told like 100 people it was tonight!!! more warning next time please!!! >:( On 9/16/09, Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey everyone, > > With busy schedules at work and home we've found it necessary to > postpone the Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting one week until the 23rd > of September. > > However, the presentation should be really interesting. I'll be > presenting an introduction to Suse Studio. Here's some details: > > SUSE Studio: > > Have you ever wanted to make your own live CD? A specialty Linux > Appliance? A bootable USB Linux distro or virtual machine image > customized to exactly what you want? SUSE Studio makes it incredibly > easy to do. > > With it, you have the ability to add you own RPMs to a base image or > select from several repositories available in the openSUSE Build > Service. You can brand and customize your distro as well. > > Does your company have a Linux product they want to support but find > many problems stem from a variety of unknown software beneath the > product or resulting from incompatible libraries found in older or > unsupported/tested distributions? Your company could control everything > in a single supported environment and distribute as a live CD or virtual > machine image solving the issues completely or just make an easy way for > customers to test-drive a product. > > I'll give a brief introduction to SUSE Studio to help you get started. > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.sllug.org > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From wattwood at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 16:19:07 2009 From: wattwood at gmail.com (William Attwood) Date: Wed Sep 16 16:19:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting postponed one week (untill Sept. 23rd, 2009) SUSE Studio!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4AB0EA77.3040300@sllug.org> Message-ID: <7f2da9a80909161519m16930e97s72dccf9cdd86e5b6@mail.gmail.com> That's a lot of people.... On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > WHAT!?!? i've told like 100 people it was tonight!!! more warning next > time please!!! >:( > > On 9/16/09, Marc Christensen wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > With busy schedules at work and home we've found it necessary to > > postpone the Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting one week until the 23rd > > of September. > > > > However, the presentation should be really interesting. I'll be > > presenting an introduction to Suse Studio. Here's some details: > > > > SUSE Studio: > > > > Have you ever wanted to make your own live CD? A specialty Linux > > Appliance? A bootable USB Linux distro or virtual machine image > > customized to exactly what you want? SUSE Studio makes it incredibly > > easy to do. > > > > With it, you have the ability to add you own RPMs to a base image or > > select from several repositories available in the openSUSE Build > > Service. You can brand and customize your distro as well. > > > > Does your company have a Linux product they want to support but find > > many problems stem from a variety of unknown software beneath the > > product or resulting from incompatible libraries found in older or > > unsupported/tested distributions? Your company could control everything > > in a single supported environment and distribute as a live CD or virtual > > machine image solving the issues completely or just make an easy way for > > customers to test-drive a product. > > > > I'll give a brief introduction to SUSE Studio to help you get started. > > > > -- > > Marc Christensen > > http://www.sllug.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Take care, William Attwood Idea Extraordinaire wattwood@gmail.com Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090916/be2ceb3f/attachment.htm From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:20:35 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:20:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting postponed one week (untill Sept. 23rd, 2009) SUSE Studio!!! In-Reply-To: <7f2da9a80909161519m16930e97s72dccf9cdd86e5b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB0EA77.3040300@sllug.org> <7f2da9a80909161519m16930e97s72dccf9cdd86e5b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At least three would have come. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM, William Attwood wrote: > That's a lot of people.... > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Christian Horne > wrote: >> >> WHAT!?!? i've told like 100 people it was tonight!!! more warning next >> time please!!! >:( >> >> On 9/16/09, Marc Christensen wrote: >> > Hey everyone, >> > >> > With busy schedules at work and home we've found it necessary to >> > postpone the Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting one week until the 23rd >> > of September. >> > >> > However, the presentation should be really interesting. ?I'll be >> > presenting an introduction to Suse Studio. ?Here's some details: >> > >> > SUSE Studio: >> > >> > Have you ever wanted to make your own live CD? A specialty Linux >> > Appliance? A bootable USB Linux distro or virtual machine image >> > customized to exactly what you want? ?SUSE Studio makes it incredibly >> > easy to do. >> > >> > With it, you have the ability to add you own RPMs to a base image or >> > select from several repositories available in the openSUSE Build >> > Service. You can brand and customize your distro as well. >> > >> > Does your company have a Linux product they want to support but find >> > many problems stem from a variety of unknown software beneath the >> > product or resulting from incompatible libraries found in older or >> > unsupported/tested distributions? Your company could control everything >> > in a single supported environment and distribute as a live CD or virtual >> > machine image solving the issues completely or just make an easy way for >> > customers to test-drive a product. >> > >> > I'll give a brief introduction to SUSE Studio to help you get started. >> > >> > -- >> > Marc Christensen >> > http://www.sllug.org >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > >> >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > -- > Take care, > William Attwood > Idea Extraordinaire > wattwood@gmail.com > > Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach ?- "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:48:30 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Wed Sep 16 20:37:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting postponed one week (untill Sept. 23rd, 2009) SUSE Studio!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4AB0EA77.3040300@sllug.org> <7f2da9a80909161519m16930e97s72dccf9cdd86e5b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Agreed, more warning would be helpful... ~Leif "If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door." Milton Berle On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > At least three would have come. > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM, William Attwood > wrote: > > That's a lot of people.... > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Christian Horne < > blendmaster1024@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> WHAT!?!? i've told like 100 people it was tonight!!! more warning next > >> time please!!! >:( > >> > >> On 9/16/09, Marc Christensen wrote: > >> > Hey everyone, > >> > > >> > With busy schedules at work and home we've found it necessary to > >> > postpone the Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting one week until the > 23rd > >> > of September. > >> > > >> > However, the presentation should be really interesting. I'll be > >> > presenting an introduction to Suse Studio. Here's some details: > >> > > >> > SUSE Studio: > >> > > >> > Have you ever wanted to make your own live CD? A specialty Linux > >> > Appliance? A bootable USB Linux distro or virtual machine image > >> > customized to exactly what you want? SUSE Studio makes it incredibly > >> > easy to do. > >> > > >> > With it, you have the ability to add you own RPMs to a base image or > >> > select from several repositories available in the openSUSE Build > >> > Service. You can brand and customize your distro as well. > >> > > >> > Does your company have a Linux product they want to support but find > >> > many problems stem from a variety of unknown software beneath the > >> > product or resulting from incompatible libraries found in older or > >> > unsupported/tested distributions? Your company could control > everything > >> > in a single supported environment and distribute as a live CD or > virtual > >> > machine image solving the issues completely or just make an easy way > for > >> > customers to test-drive a product. > >> > > >> > I'll give a brief introduction to SUSE Studio to help you get started. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Marc Christensen > >> > http://www.sllug.org > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> > sllug-members@sllug.org > >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> the blendmaster > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > > > -- > > Take care, > > William Attwood > > Idea Extraordinaire > > wattwood@gmail.com > > > > Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a > day." > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090916/23adc958/attachment.html From kd7nyq at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:26:51 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Fri Sep 18 16:27:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding Message-ID: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> I'm certain there's already a tool for this, but I haven't found it yet. The objective is to allow more than one person to edit code simultaneously from remote locations with minimal networking requirements. We tried VNC with one's favorite IDE, but it just doesn't do the job. It's too slow to be very effective and doesn't allow for simultaneous input. It would be possible to do it with multiple inputs with the next version of X coming out, but you still have horrible network requirements with the nature of VNC. I thought about using screen, but the only implementation I can think of would require the users to use the same username. Is it possible to set up a screen session accessible to a group? What I would like to see is a text editor/IDE designed to allow the users to make changes to various sources and have the changes accessible to all other users on the fly. In this fashion, the two users would be able to work on two different sources or on two different parts of the same source without having to watch or wait for a turn, a big disadvantage to screen+ssh or IDE+VNC. Another way of saying this would be to say that all users have access to and can modify the buffers (wherever they're stored) simultaneously. Has this ever been done? Thanks! -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From sdmorrey at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:39:06 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (sdmorrey@gmail.com) Date: Fri Sep 18 16:39:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> We use source control solutions like git or svn. ?If 2 people need to work on the same file at the exact same time you have development process issues that software can't really address. Andrew Jackman wrote: I'm certain there's already a tool for this, but I haven't found it yet. The objective is to allow more than one person to edit code simultaneously from remote locations with minimal networking requirements. We tried VNC with one's favorite IDE, but it just doesn't do the job. It's too slow to be very effective and doesn't allow for simultaneous input. It would be possible to do it with multiple inputs with the next version of X coming out, but you still have horrible network requirements with the nature of VNC. I thought about using screen, but the only implementation I can think of would require the users to use the same username. Is it possible to set up a screen session accessible to a group? What I would like to see is a text editor/IDE designed to allow the users to make changes to various sources and have the changes accessible to all other users on the fly. In this fashion, the two users would be able to work on two different sources or on two different parts of the same source without having to watch or wait for a turn, a big disadvantage to screen+ssh or IDE+VNC. Another way of saying this would be to say that all users have access to and can modify the buffers (wherever they're stored) simultaneously. Has this ever been done? 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090918/765aa23c/attachment.html From reilithion at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:51:43 2009 From: reilithion at gmail.com (Lucas Paul) Date: Fri Sep 18 16:51:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 16:39, sdmorrey@gmail.com wrote: > We use source control solutions like git or svn. If 2 people need to work > on the same file at the exact same time you have development process issues > that software can't really address. > > ------------------------------ > Andrew Jackman wrote: > > I'm certain there's already a tool for this, but I haven't found it yet. > > The objective is to allow more than one person to edit code > simultaneously from remote locations with minimal networking > requirements. We tried VNC with one's favorite IDE, but it just > doesn't do the job. It's too slow to be very effective and doesn't > allow for simultaneous input. > > It would be possible to do it with multiple inputs with the next > version of X coming out, but you still have horrible network > requirements with the nature of VNC. > > I thought about using screen, but the only implementation I can think > of would require the users to use the same username. Is it possible > to set up a screen session accessible to a group? > > What I would like to see is a text editor/IDE designed to allow the > users to make changes to various sources and have the changes > accessible to all other users on the fly. In this fashion, the two > users would be able to work on two different sources or on two > different parts of the same source without having to watch or wait for > a turn, a big disadvantage to screen+ssh or IDE+VNC. > > Another way of saying this would be to say that all users have access > to and can modify the buffers (wherever they're stored) > simultaneously. > > Has this ever been done? Thanks! > > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > For simultaneous editing of text documents, there are collaborative editors available left and right. Two come to mind right off. Gobby ( http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ ) and the Eclipse Communications Framework DocShare plugin ( http://www.eclipse.org/ecf/ ). There's a list of others on Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_real-time_editor). This helpful? -- Lucas ????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090918/4e785580/attachment.htm From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:53:52 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri Sep 18 16:54:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I disagree. Have you looked at gobby? It's great for documentation collaboration and we use it regularly at the Fedora Project. It might be a bit less useful for code, but it can really be beneficial for showing someone how you did one thing or another and getting another to contribute in a remote working session. Cheers, Clint On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM, sdmorrey@gmail.com wrote: > We use source control solutions like git or svn. ?If 2 people need to work > on the same file at the exact same time you have development process issues > that software can't really address. > > ________________________________ > Andrew Jackman wrote: > > I'm certain there's already a tool for this, but I haven't found it yet. > > The objective is to allow more than one person to edit code > simultaneously from remote locations with minimal networking > requirements. We tried VNC with one's favorite IDE, but it just > doesn't do the job. It's too slow to be very effective and doesn't > allow for simultaneous input. > > It would be possible to do it with multiple inputs with the next > version of X coming out, but you still have horrible network > requirements with the nature of VNC. > > I thought about using screen, but the only implementation I can think > of would require the users to use the same username. Is it possible > to set up a screen session accessible to a group? > > What I would like to see is a text editor/IDE designed to allow the > users to make changes to various sources and have the changes > accessible to all other users on the fly. In this fashion, the two > users would be able to work on two different sources or on two > different parts of the same source without having to watch or wait for > a turn, a big disadvantage to screen+ssh or IDE+VNC. > > Another way of saying this would be to say that all users have access > to and can modify the buffers (wherever they're stored) > simultaneously. > > Has this ever been done? Thanks! > > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:54:41 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri Sep 18 16:54:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Oh, one thing it does lack is a great way to integrate into tools like vim or emacs, it has its own editor which is the only bad part IMO. Clint On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > I disagree. ?Have you looked at gobby? ?It's great for documentation > collaboration and we use it regularly at the Fedora Project. ?It might > be a bit less useful for code, but it can really be beneficial for > showing someone how you did one thing or another and getting another > to contribute in a remote working session. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM, sdmorrey@gmail.com wrote: >> We use source control solutions like git or svn. ?If 2 people need to work >> on the same file at the exact same time you have development process issues >> that software can't really address. >> >> ________________________________ >> Andrew Jackman wrote: >> >> I'm certain there's already a tool for this, but I haven't found it yet. >> >> The objective is to allow more than one person to edit code >> simultaneously from remote locations with minimal networking >> requirements. We tried VNC with one's favorite IDE, but it just >> doesn't do the job. It's too slow to be very effective and doesn't >> allow for simultaneous input. >> >> It would be possible to do it with multiple inputs with the next >> version of X coming out, but you still have horrible network >> requirements with the nature of VNC. >> >> I thought about using screen, but the only implementation I can think >> of would require the users to use the same username. Is it possible >> to set up a screen session accessible to a group? >> >> What I would like to see is a text editor/IDE designed to allow the >> users to make changes to various sources and have the changes >> accessible to all other users on the fly. In this fashion, the two >> users would be able to work on two different sources or on two >> different parts of the same source without having to watch or wait for >> a turn, a big disadvantage to screen+ssh or IDE+VNC. >> >> Another way of saying this would be to say that all users have access >> to and can modify the buffers (wherever they're stored) >> simultaneously. >> >> Has this ever been done? Thanks! >> >> -- >> Andrew Jackman >> kd7nyq@gmail.com >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any >> attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may >> contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized >> review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not >> the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and >> destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong >> to us. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > From kd7nyq at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:58:16 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Fri Sep 18 16:58:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <79c119390909181558q69b3d8bfh3eec44a5f2a7e8f5@mail.gmail.com> > http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ ) and the Eclipse Communications Framework > DocShare plugin ( http://www.eclipse.org/ecf/ ).? There's a list of others > on Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_real-time_editor > ).? This helpful? Wow! That is awesome. I have to check out that eclipse plugin right away. I had no idea it was already there. -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From kd7nyq at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 17:00:50 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Fri Sep 18 17:00:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <79c119390909181600g41e99f9cocb61abf2b63edcb0@mail.gmail.com> > I disagree. ?Have you looked at gobby? ?It's great for documentation > collaboration and we use it regularly at the Fedora Project. ?It might > be a bit less useful for code, but it can really be beneficial for I just took a look at Gobby. It looks like it at least has syntax highlighting, which is a plus. We are using Visual Studio for class and it barely does that. -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From reilithion at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 17:04:30 2009 From: reilithion at gmail.com (Lucas Paul) Date: Fri Sep 18 17:04:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <79c119390909181558q69b3d8bfh3eec44a5f2a7e8f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> <79c119390909181558q69b3d8bfh3eec44a5f2a7e8f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 16:58, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ ) and the Eclipse Communications Framework > > DocShare plugin ( http://www.eclipse.org/ecf/ ). There's a list of > others > > on Wikipedia ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_real-time_editor > > ). This helpful? > > Wow! That is awesome. I have to check out that eclipse plugin right > away. I had no idea it was already there. > > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > Honestly, you might be better off with Gobby. I've tried both, and it seems to me that the Cola algorithm the ECF uses isn't quite... reliable yet. A friend and I tried sharing a document in Eclipse and found that the document got out of sync between the two of us, resulting in some weird typos and deletions. If you have trouble with it, Gobby was much more reliable. -- Lucas ????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This helpful? > > Wow! ?That is awesome. ?I have to check out that eclipse plugin right > away. ?I had no idea it was already there. Ummm... I'm not sure ECF qualifies as a collaborative real-time editor. It appears to be just a communications toolkit. Do I have it wrong? -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From reilithion at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 17:11:47 2009 From: reilithion at gmail.com (Lucas Paul) Date: Fri Sep 18 17:11:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <79c119390909181606s45a80711r54caf8914fedf96b@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> <79c119390909181558q69b3d8bfh3eec44a5f2a7e8f5@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390909181606s45a80711r54caf8914fedf96b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 17:06, Andrew Jackman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > >> http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ ) and the Eclipse Communications Framework > >> DocShare plugin ( http://www.eclipse.org/ecf/ ). There's a list of > others > >> on Wikipedia ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_real-time_editor > >> ). This helpful? > > > > Wow! That is awesome. I have to check out that eclipse plugin right > > away. I had no idea it was already there. > > Ummm... I'm not sure ECF qualifies as a collaborative real-time > editor. It appears to be just a communications toolkit. Do I have it > wrong? > > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > ECF includes the DocShare plugin. Let me see. http://wiki.eclipse.org/DocShare_Plugin has details. -- Lucas ????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090918/8c0690b2/attachment.htm From andrew at reductivelabs.com Sat Sep 19 12:19:29 2009 From: andrew at reductivelabs.com (Andrew Shafer) Date: Sat Sep 19 12:19:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding Message-ID: <55bdca490909191119n65ecd3aci4f5cd3bc54a9af31@mail.gmail.com> There are a couple interesting projects in this direction. Una and devunity are the two I've looked at, but I think they will evolve to enable even more interesting collaboration. I wrote some thoughts about this last year. http://stochasticresonance.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/working-together-with-techology/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090919/58e40e18/attachment.html From marc at sllug.org Tue Sep 22 17:04:56 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Sep 22 17:25:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting this Wednesday (Sept 23, 2009): Introduction to SUSE Studio Message-ID: <4AB95818.4010202@sllug.org> Hi everyone, This month's Salt Lake Linux Users Group (SLLUG) meeting will be an introduction to SUSE Studio. Have you ever wanted to make your own live CD? A specialty Linux Appliance? A bootable USB Linux distro or virtual machine image customized to exactly what you want? SUSE Studio makes it incredibly easy to do. With it, you have the ability to add you own RPMs to a base image or select from several repositories available in the openSUSE Build Service. You can brand and customize your distro as well. Does your company have a Linux product they want to support but find many problems stem from a variety of unknown software beneath the product or resulting from incompatible libraries found in older or unsupported/tested distributions? Your company could control everything in a single supported environment and distribute as a live CD or virtual machine image solving the issues completely or just make an easy way for customers to test-drive a product. I'll give a brief introduction to SUSE Studio to help you get started. http://susestudio.com http://susestudio.com/screencast/ Time/Date: ---------- Wednesday, Sept, 23, 2009 7:10pm p.m. Place: ---------- Room 101 or 103 in Lower Warnock Engineering Building Directions/Parking: Directions - [http://www.map.utah.edu/index.jsp?find=62] Parking can be found just East of the WEB building and there is a big lot just North of the Merrill Engineering building (MEB). Parking is free after 6:00 (Based on the signs posted. Always check in case this changes.) Special thanks go to: - U of U for providing the meeting room. - Various Volunteers From bms at mscis.org Wed Sep 23 15:36:42 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Sep 23 15:37:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Interview questions Message-ID: <4ABA94EA.7090806@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone, In my ongoing efforts to procure a Linux System Administrator position, I have had a few interviews where they ask questions about Linux. I thought that a collection of good questions and brief interview quality answers might be a good thing to discuss. If we get a good list together, employers can use a sample of them for interviews, and interviewees can have a quick reference of things employers might expect them to have memorized. I suppose one weakness I've had is that I haven't memorized enough. I can find what I want quickly enough when I have a Linux system in front of me, but you are not sitting in front of a computer in an interview. I'm compensating for that weakness by memorizing more. (And I just snuck in the answer to an interview question there: "tell me about a weakness you have"). So, here are the obvious questions: * What interview questions have you asked if you are a hiring manager, or what would you ask if you were? * If you are employed as a Linux Admin, what would you expect a coworker to know right from the start? * Naturally, there are different questions you might ask for an entry level or "junior" admin than for an experienced senior admin. What would you expect a junior admin to know, and what would you expect a senior admin to know? Would you ask the same questions, but look at the years of experience as the main difference? On another note, it seems to me that most employers don't care about the Red Hat certification. Perhaps they are not aware that it is a live testing environment, and not the typical brain-dump-friendly multiple choice kind of test that you take for other certifications. That's probably why memorizing things didn't seem important to me. The certification should show that you have the skills whether or not you have memorized every file in /etc - you proved it in a live environment. Do any of you give weight to candidates with an RHCE? Send your questions, with or without answers. Those that do not have answers, if any, I'll add to the list of interview questions with my own answers. Perhaps we can post a finished list on UPHPU, after we discuss them here. Finally, if any of you know of openings for Linux system admin, or know someone that knows of openings, please let me know who I can contact, because I'm still looking for that opportunity. Thank you all, Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkq6lOoACgkQx0pgn74qrcLx3QCfVXt6KV6ITeVBpEYd7pdM5ADT eZoAni+2thj9M4TimwpN9JDPweiHV5oU =EmtV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeff at zingstudios.com Wed Sep 23 16:20:01 2009 From: jeff at zingstudios.com (Jeff Schroeder) Date: Wed Sep 23 16:20:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Interview questions In-Reply-To: <4ABA94EA.7090806@mscis.org> References: <4ABA94EA.7090806@mscis.org> Message-ID: <200909231620.01834.jeff@zingstudios.com> Brandon asked: > ?* What interview questions have you asked if you are a hiring > manager, or what would you ask if you were? I'm a company owner, and I have about 12 years of Linux experience. My general thrust in a technical interview is to understand the breadth and depth of the candidate's knowledge. For Linux-specific stuff, I'd ask things like: BREADTH * What Linux distros have you used? [Red Hat, Debian/Ubuntu, SuSE are all good. Bonus points for Gentoo. Double bonus points for Linux from Scratch.] Are you familiar with... * Apache * MySQL / PostgreSQL * BIND * SSH * LDAP * Samba * Sys V init processes * LFS * mdadm / software RAID * LVM * NFS * Postfix / Exim / qmail / Sendmail * iptables * shell scripting * cron * vi DEPTH [Note these can be answered with a description of what would be done, not necessarily a keystroke-by-keystroke list of precise commands.] * The OpenSSL project has just released a critical security fix. Upgrade 20 servers with it. * Using your favorite editor, find and replace hundreds of instances of a crazy string in a lengthy configuration file. * Parse an Apache log file to generate a list of all unique IP's connecting to the server. * Set up a backup job that will keep an offsite copy of server configuration files updated. * Add 50 new users to the server and give them shell access via SSH. * Generate a list usernames used in failed SSH login attempts for the last 30 days. TROUBLESHOOTING Finally, I think the best test of a sysadmin's skills is how he (she?) handles a problem situation. You can have all the book knowledge in the world, a bunch of certifications, and have a wall full of network diagrams, but when the server is down and end users are screaming, how do you fix the problem? For example, what would you do when... * The web site says "It works!" and nothing else. * Emails from customers are bouncing with "no such mailbox". * Emails to customers are bouncing with "message refused from this address." * Typing the URL of the web site in a browser just hangs. * A marketing genius has sent out a press release with the URL of a page on the web site misspelled. Make sure people using that URL will still end up in the right place. Hope that helps get things started. $0.02, Jeff From beebe at math.utah.edu Thu Sep 24 17:40:20 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Thu Sep 24 17:40:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Intel Linux Moblin 2.1 on netbooks and nettops Message-ID: This news story may be of interest to those of you with, or thinking about getting, small netbooks and nettops: Intel ports Linux netbook OS to desktops http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5744606/419952/222699/0/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Fri Sep 25 19:26:10 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Fri Sep 25 19:26:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Intel Linux Moblin 2.1 on netbooks and nettops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2e84de770909251826r30b89c74je73fec6534d9a25b@mail.gmail.com> I've been following Moblin from time to time, mainly because of the sleek UI and that the entire expereince is supposedly designed from the ground up to facilitate small-screened devices. However, I've been put off by the pathetic progress they're making. They just released a 'final' release of version 2.0, which lacks hardware support for virtually all hardware (On my dell Mini 9, for example, neither the sound or the Wifi work out of the box) commonly found on netbooks, and is missing a lot of very core functionality (its impossible to connect to a hidden wireless network, for example; its also impossible to change keyboard mappings) and has rediculous bugs and problems. I've also felt that the entire development effort is rather hidden in shadows, compared to many other open source projects. Theres a GIT repository, and a mildly active development mailing list, but no bug trackers or open forums, and no documentation; If you look at the mailing list, you'll find lots of reports of " is completely broken, what can I do?" with replies along the lines of "We have no plans to change this in the near future at all.", but you'll get no indication of what issues are being addressed and fixed. I'm not sure what it is with Intel's flurry of announcements about Moblin over the last week. They've announced 2.0's release, previewed 2.1, and even announced a partnership with Microsoft to bring silverlight support to future releases. If I were Intel, I'd be thoroughly embarassed that the press is highlighting the 'final' release of a major version of my product, when its so rough around the edges. -- Michael Heath On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > This news story may be of interest to those of you with, or thinking > about getting, small netbooks and nettops: > > ? ? ? ?Intel ports Linux netbook OS to desktops > ? ? ? ?http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5744606/419952/222699/0/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Nelson H. F. Beebe ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Tel: +1 801 581 5254 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- > - University of Utah ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?FAX: +1 801 581 4148 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB ? ?Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu ?- > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? beebe@acm.org ?beebe@computer.org - > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA ? ?URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AGibson at rideuta.com Mon Sep 28 07:35:42 2009 From: AGibson at rideuta.com (Gibson, Alan (Electronics Engineer)) Date: Mon Sep 28 07:36:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Intel Linux Moblin 2.1 on netbooks and nettops In-Reply-To: <2e84de770909251826r30b89c74je73fec6534d9a25b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e84de770909251826r30b89c74je73fec6534d9a25b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <097A424639D4DD4C9D73C3EEC1E898990675B4A0@utamail.uta.cog.ut.us> Intel wanted a boost for Moblin by partnering with Microsoft and we all know what a big hit Windows 2.0 was! ;) ROTFL Alan Gibson ? -----Original Message----- From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Michael Heath Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:26 PM To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Intel Linux Moblin 2.1 on netbooks and nettops I've been following Moblin from time to time, mainly because of the sleek UI and that the entire expereince is supposedly designed from the ground up to facilitate small-screened devices. However, I've been put off by the pathetic progress they're making. They just released a 'final' release of version 2.0, which lacks hardware support for virtually all hardware (On my dell Mini 9, for example, neither the sound or the Wifi work out of the box) commonly found on netbooks, and is missing a lot of very core functionality (its impossible to connect to a hidden wireless network, for example; its also impossible to change keyboard mappings) and has rediculous bugs and problems. I've also felt that the entire development effort is rather hidden in shadows, compared to many other open source projects. Theres a GIT repository, and a mildly active development mailing list, but no bug trackers or open forums, and no documentation; If you look at the mailing list, you'll find lots of reports of " is completely broken, what can I do?" with replies along the lines of "We have no plans to change this in the near future at all.", but you'll get no indication of what issues are being addressed and fixed. I'm not sure what it is with Intel's flurry of announcements about Moblin over the last week. They've announced 2.0's release, previewed 2.1, and even announced a partnership with Microsoft to bring silverlight support to future releases. If I were Intel, I'd be thoroughly embarassed that the press is highlighting the 'final' release of a major version of my product, when its so rough around the edges. -- Michael Heath On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > This news story may be of interest to those of you with, or thinking > about getting, small netbooks and nettops: > > ? ? ? ?Intel ports Linux netbook OS to desktops > ? ? ? ?http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5744606/419952/222699/0/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Nelson H. F. Beebe ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Tel: +1 801 581 5254 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- > - University of Utah ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?FAX: +1 801 581 4148 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB ? ?Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu ?- > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? beebe@acm.org ?beebe@computer.org - > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA ? ?URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. 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Name: Gibson, Alan (Electronics Engineer).vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 291 bytes Desc: Gibson, Alan (Electronics Engineer).vcf Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090928/018a594a/GibsonAlanElectronicsEngineer.vcf From white.armor at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 08:52:57 2009 From: white.armor at gmail.com (Jordan Schatz) Date: Mon Sep 28 08:57:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090928145257.GA4748@falcon> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 04:26:51PM -0600, Andrew Jackman wrote: > I'm certain there's already a tool for this, but I haven't found it yet. > > The objective is to allow more than one person to edit code > simultaneously from remote locations with minimal networking > requirements. We tried VNC with one's favorite IDE, but it just > doesn't do the job. It's too slow to be very effective and doesn't > allow for simultaneous input. I am very curious about what you are planning/doing... I don't have any recommendations for software to enable it though. Are you going to use this as a teaching tool? or are you going to try the Extreme Programing idea of two developers per screen/keyboard idea? Either way would you mind letting us know how it goes? I have been interested in trying to development something in that close of collaboration, but I don't know if anyone could stand working that closely with me, and I don't know if I could stand working that closely with them. -Jordan From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 09:06:35 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Mon Sep 28 09:06:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <20090928145257.GA4748@falcon> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <20090928145257.GA4748@falcon> Message-ID: <86d2b63e0909280806q4e8f7471pd35e49124938ae75@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Jordan Schatz wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 04:26:51PM -0600, Andrew Jackman wrote: >> I'm certain there's already a tool for this, but I haven't found it yet. >> >> The objective is to allow more than one person to edit code >> simultaneously from remote locations with minimal networking >> requirements. ?We tried VNC with one's favorite IDE, but it just >> doesn't do the job. ?It's too slow to be very effective and doesn't >> allow for simultaneous input. > > I am very curious about what you are planning/doing... I don't have any > recommendations for software to enable it though. Are you going to use > this as a teaching tool? or are you going to try the Extreme Programing > idea of two developers per screen/keyboard idea? Either way would you > mind letting us know how it goes? I have been interested in trying to > development something in that close of collaboration, but I don't know if > anyone could stand working that closely with me, and I don't know if I > could stand working that closely with them. > > > -Jordan What many of us are looking for is a good desktop sharing program where we can assist others with Linux issues remotely. CrossLoop works well with Windows machines and they have created a Linux client so you can even help people from Windows to MAC. However, they haven't done a Linux client as yet. CrossLoop will allow one to co-edit using an editor. Both people have keyboard and mouse usage unless the share only button is pressed by the host user. From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 11:14:50 2009 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Mon Sep 28 11:14:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > Oh, one thing it does lack is a great way to integrate into tools like > vim or emacs, it has its own editor which is the only bad part IMO. > > Clint > > You don't need to have integration with vim or emacs if you want to have two people looking at the same thing at once. screen is your friend. I can definitely vouch for it after many co-debugging sessions at backcountry. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090928/0bf8ae19/attachment.htm From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 11:25:05 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon Sep 28 11:25:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Shaun Kruger wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Clint Savage wrote: >> >> Oh, one thing it does lack is a great way to integrate into tools like >> vim or emacs, it has its own editor which is the only bad part IMO. >> >> Clint >> > > You don't need to have integration with vim or emacs if you want to have two > people looking at the same thing at once.? screen is your friend.? I can > definitely vouch for it after many co-debugging sessions at backcountry. > > Shaun > I disagree. Screen is nice for *some* things. In fact, I have used it to great success during training sessions and figuring out certain things while on the phone or next to each other. However, ou cannot code together in screen very easily IMO. You both try to edit the same line at the same time, people typing at the same time at different locations without some way to track it seems like a complete and utter disaster. Cheers, Clint From kwalker at kobran.org Mon Sep 28 14:45:47 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Mon Sep 28 14:45:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1254170747.2763.202.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 11:14 -0600, Shaun Kruger wrote: > You don't need to have integration with vim or emacs if you want to > have two people looking at the same thing at once. screen is your > friend. I can definitely vouch for it after many co-debugging > sessions at backcountry. Looking at yes, but not so much working on. This pains me to say this, as I absolutely adore screen and use it every single day, but in this case it is not adequate. First off, multiple people can't be working in the same file at the same time. It's turn-based. It only has one cursor. Second, it's single-user. Screen sharing is a hack, even though it is extremely useful and shows off the power of Screen. For trusted situations, like when working with another admin on a shared system, Screen works quite well, so long as you're willing to take turns, and probably have voice communications open as well. For situations where more than two people are working on something (Rare, but it happens), or where the host only wants to open that particular (set of) file(s), then something like Gobby (http://gobby.0x539.de/) is the way to go. Secure (TLS) communications, dedicated server component, real-time text-chat. It works really well. The only thing I wish it did was show everyone's cursors. I'm curious to see what they have in their Infinote development project as well. -KW From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 15:54:49 2009 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Mon Sep 28 15:54:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <1254170747.2763.202.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <4ab40c0a.1608c00a.1ced.3772@mx.google.com> <1254170747.2763.202.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Knight Walker wrote: > For trusted situations, like when working with another admin on a shared > system, Screen works quite well, so long as you're willing to take > turns, and probably have voice communications open as well. > > You just described my primary use case. I can appreciate that screen is a sub par hack for development, but when you are trying to work through an administration problem there is nothing better than screen for getting another set of eyes on the problem. The turn based aspect is also very good in that situation because you don't usually want to be trying multiple operations at once to resolve many system level problems. Conference call + screen = win. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090928/965475c7/attachment.html From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 16:55:25 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Sep 28 16:55:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <20090928145257.GA4748@falcon> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <20090928145257.GA4748@falcon> Message-ID: <79c119390909281555i22205190i6e4fb8772c9bf854@mail.gmail.com> > I am very curious about what you are planning/doing... I don't have any > recommendations for software to enable it though. Are you going to use > this as a teaching tool? or are you going to try the Extreme Programing > idea of two developers per screen/keyboard idea? I am currently enrolled in the Computer Science program at the University of Utah. Spring term was my first term there and the first term in which I was ever seriously assigned to do programming for a class. It went well until we were assigned a project requiring collaboration. The requirement was that no one person could do any coding without the other person watching and giving input. It turned out to be one of the most frustrating experiences of the term, right next to trying to take a math class from a non-English speaking professor. Anyway, one major problem arose: I work full time. It's not a big deal when I can do the homework by myself as my job allows me a lot of downtime. I do have an internet connection, but it's through a beefy firewall and the speed is limited. We tried VNC, which worked, but it was way too slow. It caused more frustration than anything else. What we ended up doing was talking on the telephone and sending each other snippets of code as we updated them. This was terribly slow and could have been easily replaced by a basic version control system with better results. In the end, we hacked the project together (in the script-kiddie usage of the term). I don't know what grade we got, but I'm happier not knowing. To get to the point, we are anticipated to do some coding with about five people to a group with the Half-Life 2 engine. The cooperative coding imperative will be similar to our previous project. Once again, I'm the only one in the group who works full time and isn't available in the evenings for personal appearances. > Either way would you > mind letting us know how it goes? So far Gobby has proven to be the easiest solution to work with despite it not having many IDE features. A few of my teammates have already tried it out and like it. I have yet to get a tunnel going with it, but it shouldn't be difficult. I have tested it on the company network and it appears to be nicely designed. In addition, it has releases for both Windows and Linux, meaning that I can use my preferred productivity desktop of choice while everyone else can use Windows. As mentioned in another part of the thread, I have found personally that voice communications are indispensable. I personally like radios (from my days of Boy Scout camps and SAR), but VOIP seems to be the thing anymore. Skype seems to do a very good job, but I have some complaints about the interface that keep me from using it as much as I would. I've used Ventrilo for gaming and I like the simplicity, especially when your game of choices starts getting resource hungry. If anyone knows of a simple (little/no interface and small footprint) VOIP system that can be run either centrally on a private server (like ventrilo) or p2p, let me know. On that same note, does anyone have any suggestions for microphones? I'd pay good money for a mic that doesn't pick up the air conditioners and PC fans at work. :( (How hard is it to interface an aviator's mic to a PC?) > I have been interested in trying to > development something in that close of collaboration, but I don't know if > anyone could stand working that closely with me, and I don't know if I > could stand working that closely with them. I usually take my teammates to pizza first. :) This encourages not only learning each others' styles of communication, but reminds everyone that coding isn't the only reason for our association. Also, if you watch closely, you can determine the natural social order of the group and see any conflicts before they occur. You want one leader (and only one) and you want to know if there are folks that work exceptionally well together. The geniuses usually make themselves apparent, too, which work alone and only contribute and feel appreciated when acknowledged and consulted. Anyway, I'm probably preaching to the choir... -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From reilithion at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 19:38:23 2009 From: reilithion at gmail.com (Lucas Paul) Date: Mon Sep 28 19:38:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Cooperative Coding In-Reply-To: <79c119390909281555i22205190i6e4fb8772c9bf854@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390909181526w37fedb37l49fd2a1bde71498b@mail.gmail.com> <20090928145257.GA4748@falcon> <79c119390909281555i22205190i6e4fb8772c9bf854@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 16:55, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > I am very curious about what you are planning/doing... I don't have any > > recommendations for software to enable it though. Are you going to use > > this as a teaching tool? or are you going to try the Extreme Programing > > idea of two developers per screen/keyboard idea? > > I am currently enrolled in the Computer Science program at the > University of Utah. Spring term was my first term there and the first > term in which I was ever seriously assigned to do programming for a > class. It went well until we were assigned a project requiring > collaboration. The requirement was that no one person could do any > coding without the other person watching and giving input. It turned > out to be one of the most frustrating experiences of the term, right > next to trying to take a math class from a non-English speaking > professor. > > Anyway, one major problem arose: I work full time. It's not a big > deal when I can do the homework by myself as my job allows me a lot of > downtime. I do have an internet connection, but it's through a beefy > firewall and the speed is limited. > > We tried VNC, which worked, but it was way too slow. It caused more > frustration than anything else. What we ended up doing was talking on > the telephone and sending each other snippets of code as we updated > them. This was terribly slow and could have been easily replaced by a > basic version control system with better results. > > In the end, we hacked the project together (in the script-kiddie usage > of the term). I don't know what grade we got, but I'm happier not > knowing. > > To get to the point, we are anticipated to do some coding with about > five people to a group with the Half-Life 2 engine. The cooperative > coding imperative will be similar to our previous project. Once > again, I'm the only one in the group who works full time and isn't > available in the evenings for personal appearances. > > > Either way would you > > mind letting us know how it goes? > > So far Gobby has proven to be the easiest solution to work with > despite it not having many IDE features. A few of my teammates have > already tried it out and like it. I have yet to get a tunnel going > with it, but it shouldn't be difficult. I have tested it on the > company network and it appears to be nicely designed. In addition, it > has releases for both Windows and Linux, meaning that I can use my > preferred productivity desktop of choice while everyone else can use > Windows. > Excellent. I came to a similar conclusion about Gobby. It truly is well-designed. As mentioned in another part of the thread, I have found personally > that voice communications are indispensable. I personally like radios > (from my days of Boy Scout camps and SAR), but VOIP seems to be the > thing anymore. Skype seems to do a very good job, but I have some > complaints about the interface that keep me from using it as much as I > would. I've used Ventrilo for gaming and I like the simplicity, > especially when your game of choices starts getting resource hungry. > If anyone knows of a simple (little/no interface and small footprint) > VOIP system that can be run either centrally on a private server (like > ventrilo) or p2p, let me know. > Take a look at Mumble. http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ It's low-latency and is meant to be used while gaming. On that same note, does anyone have any suggestions for microphones? > I'd pay good money for a mic that doesn't pick up the air conditioners > and PC fans at work. :( (How hard is it to interface an aviator's mic > to a PC?) > > > I have been interested in trying to > > development something in that close of collaboration, but I don't know if > > anyone could stand working that closely with me, and I don't know if I > > could stand working that closely with them. > > I usually take my teammates to pizza first. :) This encourages not > only learning each others' styles of communication, but reminds > everyone that coding isn't the only reason for our association. Also, > if you watch closely, you can determine the natural social order of > the group and see any conflicts before they occur. You want one > leader (and only one) and you want to know if there are folks that > work exceptionally well together. The geniuses usually make > themselves apparent, too, which work alone and only contribute and > feel appreciated when acknowledged and consulted. Anyway, I'm > probably preaching to the choir... > > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > Thanks for the update. I for one am glad to hear about how things worked out. -- Lucas ????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090928/f0472856/attachment.html From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Wed Sep 30 11:12:55 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Wed Sep 30 11:13:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a webcam Message-ID: <1254330775.26190.1337399881@webmail.messagingengine.com> I am in need of a webcam that will definitely work well with Skype (on Linux of course :-) I run Gentoo, but I would imagine that the distro really doesn't make any difference. Ideally, I'd like to get recommendations for models which are perhaps not the newest thing, but still available on the market at good prices. Used 'cams also very welcome, if you got 'em :-) But they *gotta* work with Skype. Thanks, Dave From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 15:28:57 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Sep 30 15:29:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a webcam In-Reply-To: <1254330775.26190.1337399881@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1254330775.26190.1337399881@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: i have no idea but i suggest you ask on skype forums or something as well as places like here On 9/30/09, David J Iannucci wrote: > I am in need of a webcam that will definitely work well with Skype (on > Linux of course :-) I run Gentoo, but I would imagine that the distro > really doesn't make any difference. > > Ideally, I'd like to get recommendations for models which are perhaps > not the newest thing, but still available on the market at good prices. > > Used 'cams also very welcome, if you got 'em :-) But they *gotta* work > with Skype. > > Thanks, > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 19:17:59 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Wed Sep 30 19:18:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a webcam In-Reply-To: <1254330775.26190.1337399881@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1254330775.26190.1337399881@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <86d2b63e0909301817x2f3761dep5ad4ebea2387ae2d@mail.gmail.com> I like the Logitech 9000. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:12 AM, David J Iannucci < fyyht@punchcutter.ml1.net> wrote: > I am in need of a webcam that will definitely work well with Skype (on > Linux of course :-) I run Gentoo, but I would imagine that the distro > really doesn't make any difference. > > Ideally, I'd like to get recommendations for models which are perhaps > not the newest thing, but still available on the market at good prices. > > Used 'cams also very welcome, if you got 'em :-) But they *gotta* work > with Skype. > > Thanks, > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Used 'cams also very welcome, if you got 'em :-) But they *gotta* work with Skype. Thanks, Dave ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090930/674076f4/attachment.html