From bms at mscis.org Mon Nov 2 18:46:36 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Mon Nov 2 18:47:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Samba issues after upgrade Message-ID: <4AEF8B7C.9000502@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, we upgraded an Ubuntu server from 8.04 LTS to 8.10, to 9.04, and to 9.10. After the upgrade we seem to be having Samba issues. One program is working over Samba, but nobody can print or browse the network over Samba. Here's what I get with testparm: # testparm Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf Processing section "[bin]" Processing section "[cyma]" Processing section "[homes]" Processing section "[profiles]" Processing section "[print$]" Processing section "[printers]" Processing section "[rch]" Processing section "[tmp]" Loaded services file OK. Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions [global] workgroup = HERBS server string = %h Samba server interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8, eth0 bind interfaces only = Yes map to guest = Bad User obey pam restrictions = Yes pam password change = Yes passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* . unix password sync = Yes syslog = 0 log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 1000 socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 printcap name = cups dns proxy = No usershare allow guests = Yes panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d idmap uid = 10000-20000 idmap gid = 10000-20000 template shell = /bin/bash winbind enum users = Yes winbind enum groups = Yes invalid users = root [bin] comment = Scripts and tools path = /srv/samba/bin write list = root, @ntadmin guest ok = Yes [cyma] comment = CYMA accounting path = /srv/samba/cyma valid users = @cyma admin users = matt write list = @cyma read only = No create mask = 02770 directory mask = 02770 inherit permissions = Yes inherit owner = Yes guest ok = Yes browseable = No browsable = No [homes] comment = Home Directories path = /srv/samba/homes/%U valid users = %S read only = No create mask = 0664 directory mask = 0775 browseable = No browsable = No [profiles] comment = Users profiles path = /srv/samba/profiles create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 browseable = No browsable = No [print$] comment = Printer Drivers path = /var/lib/samba/printers write list = root, @ntadmin [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba guest ok = Yes printable = Yes use client driver = Yes browseable = No browsable = No [rch] comment = RidgeCrest shared files path = /srv/samba/rch admin users = @staff read only = No guest ok = Yes [tmp] comment = Temporary SMB file space path = /srv/samba/tmp read only = No guest ok = Yes When I try to print with smbclient, I get this: # smbclient -U sherm -P ####### -C "print /etc/hosts" ERROR: Unable to fetch machine password for RC1$@ in domain HERBS it doesn't matter if I use a real or a bogus password with that error. When I run smbtree, I get this: # smbtree Enter root's password: WORKGROUP \\WILL Will cli_start_connection: failed to connect to WILL<20> (0.0.0.0). Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME \\RC4 rc4 server (Samba, Ubuntu) \\RC4\print$ Printer Drivers \\RC4\IPC$ IPC Service (rc4 server (Samba, Ubuntu)) HERBS \\WAREHOUSE Cindy's PC \\WAREHOUSE\Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer \\WAREHOUSE\C$ Default share \\WAREHOUSE\ADMIN$ Remote Admin \\WAREHOUSE\Printer2 HP Color LaserJet 4600 PCL 6 \\WAREHOUSE\UPS UPS Thermal 2844 \\WAREHOUSE\SharedDocs \\WAREHOUSE\print$ Printer Drivers \\WAREHOUSE\D$ Default share \\WAREHOUSE\IPC$ Remote IPC \\SHERRY2 \\SHERRY2\C$ Default share \\SHERRY2\ADMIN$ Remote Admin \\SHERRY2\OkidataM Okidata ML 320 Turbo/D (IBM) \\SHERRY2\print$ Printer Drivers \\SHERRY2\IPC$ Remote IPC \\SHERM1 sherm1 \\SHERM1\hp3330 HP LaserJet 3300 Series PCL 5e \\SHERM1\Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer \\SHERM1\C$ Default share \\SHERM1\ADMIN$ Remote Admin \\SHERM1\SharedDocs \\SHERM1\print$ Printer Drivers \\SHERM1\IPC$ Remote IPC \\RC3 rc3 server (Samba, Ubuntu) \\RC3\print$ Printer Drivers \\RC3\IPC$ IPC Service (rc3 server (Samba, Ubuntu)) \\RC1 rc1 Samba server cli_start_connection: failed to connect to RC1<20> (0.0.0.0). Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED \\PS000D73 Server requested LM password but 'client lanman auth' is disabled \\PS000D73\IPC$ G?? \\PS000D73\P1 From Printcap \\PAUL2 Paul's computer \\PAUL2\paul \\PAUL2\C$ Default share \\PAUL2\ADMIN$ Remote Admin \\PAUL2\C \\PAUL2\print$ Printer Drivers \\PAUL2\SharedDocs \\PAUL2\D$ Default share \\PAUL2\IPC$ Remote IPC \\PAUL2\My Documents \\PAUL2\HP1200 HP LaserJet 1200 Series PCL \\PAUL2\rch \\CONNIE2 \\CONNIE2\C$ Default share \\CONNIE2\ADMIN$ Remote Admin \\CONNIE2\SharedDocs \\CONNIE2\IPC$ Remote IPC Any ideas on how to proceed? Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkrvi3wACgkQx0pgn74qrcKHeQCgv7M49RZQseK066qgfdFP8X+Z UowAn3xYrzL02AgI4nfjMJmm7BQjLBNw =8mOe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 19:15:16 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Nov 2 19:15:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Samba issues after upgrade In-Reply-To: <4AEF8B7C.9000502@mscis.org> References: <4AEF8B7C.9000502@mscis.org> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911021815t43478006n2b3f715766993490@mail.gmail.com> Have you found any permissions changes after the upgrade? Check inside /etc/samba/samba.conf, as well as the various directories you are sharing out, and see if the user and/or group permissions got modified somehow during the upgrade, and do a chmod, and/or chown if necessary. Thanks, Justin On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday, we upgraded an Ubuntu server from 8.04 LTS to 8.10, to 9.04, > and to 9.10. ?After the upgrade we seem to be having Samba issues. ?One > program is working over Samba, but nobody can print or browse the > network over Samba. ?Here's what I get with testparm: > > # testparm > Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf > Processing section "[bin]" > Processing section "[cyma]" > Processing section "[homes]" > Processing section "[profiles]" > Processing section "[print$]" > Processing section "[printers]" > Processing section "[rch]" > Processing section "[tmp]" > Loaded services file OK. > Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE > Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions > > [global] > ? ? ? ?workgroup = HERBS > ? ? ? ?server string = %h Samba server > ? ? ? ?interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8, eth0 > ? ? ? ?bind interfaces only = Yes > ? ? ? ?map to guest = Bad User > ? ? ? ?obey pam restrictions = Yes > ? ? ? ?pam password change = Yes > ? ? ? ?passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u > ? ? ? ?passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n > *Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* > . > ? ? ? ?unix password sync = > Yes > ? ? ? ?syslog = > 0 > ? ? ? ?log file = > /var/log/samba/log.%m > ? ? ? ?max log size = > 1000 > ? ? ? ?socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 > SO_SNDBUF=8192 > ? ? ? ?printcap name = > cups > ? ? ? ?dns proxy = > No > ? ? ? ?usershare allow guests = > Yes > ? ? ? ?panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action > %d > ? ? ? ?idmap uid = > 10000-20000 > ? ? ? ?idmap gid = > 10000-20000 > ? ? ? ?template shell = > /bin/bash > ? ? ? ?winbind enum users = > Yes > ? ? ? ?winbind enum groups = > Yes > ? ? ? ?invalid users = > root > > [bin] > ? ? ? ?comment = Scripts and tools > ? ? ? ?path = /srv/samba/bin > ? ? ? ?write list = root, @ntadmin > ? ? ? ?guest ok = Yes > > [cyma] > ? ? ? ?comment = CYMA accounting > ? ? ? ?path = /srv/samba/cyma > ? ? ? ?valid users = @cyma > ? ? ? ?admin users = matt > ? ? ? ?write list = @cyma > ? ? ? ?read only = No > ? ? ? ?create mask = 02770 > ? ? ? ?directory mask = 02770 > ? ? ? ?inherit permissions = Yes > ? ? ? ?inherit owner = Yes > ? ? ? ?guest ok = Yes > ? ? ? ?browseable = No > ? ? ? ?browsable = No > > [homes] > ? ? ? ?comment = Home Directories > ? ? ? ?path = /srv/samba/homes/%U > ? ? ? ?valid users = %S > ? ? ? ?read only = No > ? ? ? ?create mask = 0664 > ? ? ? ?directory mask = 0775 > ? ? ? ?browseable = No > ? ? ? ?browsable = No > > [profiles] > ? ? ? ?comment = Users profiles > ? ? ? ?path = /srv/samba/profiles > ? ? ? ?create mask = 0600 > ? ? ? ?directory mask = 0700 > ? ? ? ?browseable = No > ? ? ? ?browsable = No > > [print$] > ? ? ? ?comment = Printer Drivers > ? ? ? ?path = /var/lib/samba/printers > ? ? ? ?write list = root, @ntadmin > > [printers] > ? ? ? ?comment = All Printers > ? ? ? ?path = /var/spool/samba > ? ? ? ?guest ok = Yes > ? ? ? ?printable = Yes > ? ? ? ?use client driver = Yes > ? ? ? ?browseable = No > ? ? ? ?browsable = No > > [rch] > ? ? ? ?comment = RidgeCrest shared files > ? ? ? ?path = /srv/samba/rch > ? ? ? ?admin users = @staff > ? ? ? ?read only = No > ? ? ? ?guest ok = Yes > > [tmp] > ? ? ? ?comment = Temporary SMB file space > ? ? ? ?path = /srv/samba/tmp > ? ? ? ?read only = No > ? ? ? ?guest ok = Yes > > When I try to print with smbclient, I get this: > > # smbclient -U sherm -P ####### -C "print /etc/hosts" > ERROR: Unable to fetch machine password for RC1$@ in domain HERBS > > it doesn't matter if I use a real or a bogus password with that error. > When I run smbtree, I get this: > > # smbtree > Enter root's password: > WORKGROUP > ? ? ? ?\\WILL ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Will > cli_start_connection: failed to connect to WILL<20> (0.0.0.0). Error > NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME > > > ? ? ? ?\\RC4 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? rc4 server (Samba, > Ubuntu) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\RC4\print$ ? ? ? ? ? ?Printer > Drivers > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\RC4\IPC$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ?IPC Service (rc4 server (Samba, > Ubuntu)) > HERBS > > > ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Cindy's > PC > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\Printer ? ? ? ? ? ? Microsoft XPS Document > Writer > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\C$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Default > share > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\ADMIN$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Remote > Admin > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\Printer2 ? ? ? ? ? ?HP Color LaserJet 4600 > PCL 6 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\UPS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? UPS Thermal > 2844 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\SharedDocs > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\print$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Printer Drivers > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\D$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Default share > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\WAREHOUSE\IPC$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Remote IPC > ? ? ? ?\\SHERRY2 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERRY2\C$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Default share > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERRY2\ADMIN$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Remote Admin > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERRY2\OkidataM ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Okidata ML 320 Turbo/D (IBM) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERRY2\print$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Printer Drivers > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERRY2\IPC$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Remote IPC > ? ? ? ?\\SHERM1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?sherm1 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERM1\hp3330 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? HP LaserJet 3300 Series > PCL 5e > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERM1\Printer ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Microsoft XPS Document > Writer > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERM1\C$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Default share > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERM1\ADMIN$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Remote Admin > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERM1\SharedDocs > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERM1\print$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Printer Drivers > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\SHERM1\IPC$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Remote IPC > ? ? ? ?\\RC3 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? rc3 server (Samba, Ubuntu) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\RC3\print$ ? ? ? ? ? ?Printer Drivers > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\RC3\IPC$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ?IPC Service (rc3 server (Samba, > Ubuntu)) > ? ? ? ?\\RC1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? rc1 Samba server > cli_start_connection: failed to connect to RC1<20> (0.0.0.0). Error > NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED > ? ? ? ?\\PS000D73 > Server requested LM password but 'client lanman auth' is disabled > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PS000D73\IPC$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? G?? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PS000D73\P1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From Printcap > ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Paul's computer > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\paul > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\C$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Default share > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\ADMIN$ ? ? ? ? ?Remote Admin > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\C > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\print$ ? ? ? ? ?Printer Drivers > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\SharedDocs > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\D$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Default share > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\IPC$ ? ? ? ? ? ?Remote IPC > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\My Documents > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\HP1200 ? ? ? ? ?HP LaserJet 1200 Series PCL > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\PAUL2\rch > ? ? ? ?\\CONNIE2 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\CONNIE2\C$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Default share > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\CONNIE2\ADMIN$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Remote Admin > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\CONNIE2\SharedDocs > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\\CONNIE2\IPC$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Remote IPC > > Any ideas on how to proceed? > > Brandon > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkrvi3wACgkQx0pgn74qrcKHeQCgv7M49RZQseK066qgfdFP8X+Z > UowAn3xYrzL02AgI4nfjMJmm7BQjLBNw > =8mOe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From bms at mscis.org Tue Nov 3 11:34:33 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Tue Nov 3 11:35:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Samba issues after upgrade In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0911021815t43478006n2b3f715766993490@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AEF8B7C.9000502@mscis.org> <2f932a4a0911021815t43478006n2b3f715766993490@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF077B9.6080205@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Have you found any permissions changes after the upgrade? Check > inside /etc/samba/samba.conf, as well as the various directories > you are sharing out, and see if the user and/or group permissions > got modified somehow during the upgrade, and do a chmod, and/or > chown if necessary. > > Thanks, > > Justin I checked to make sure that the necessary permissions are there, and all the shares are world readable right now. Any other ideas from anyone. Thanks in advance, Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkrwd7kACgkQx0pgn74qrcI3cgCcCHu+zlu8RofgsBUTxg+uh/YM H/sAn3lNVcYQmaCpudzIIV/kEvZtyvLB =zLEG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vi at dubbayou.com Tue Nov 3 13:56:35 2009 From: vi at dubbayou.com (Richard Nadeau) Date: Tue Nov 3 13:57:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Samba issues after upgrade In-Reply-To: <4AF077B9.6080205@mscis.org> References: <4AEF8B7C.9000502@mscis.org> <2f932a4a0911021815t43478006n2b3f715766993490@mail.gmail.com> <4AF077B9.6080205@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1257281795.2704.2.camel@strouthos> On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 11:34 -0700, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > > Have you found any permissions changes after the upgrade? Check > > inside /etc/samba/samba.conf, as well as the various directories > > you are sharing out, and see if the user and/or group permissions > > got modified somehow during the upgrade, and do a chmod, and/or > > chown if necessary. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Justin > > I checked to make sure that the necessary permissions are there, and > all the shares are world readable right now. Any other ideas from anyone. Brandon, Check your firewall rules and make sure the following ports are open: tcp 139 tcp 445 udp 137 udp 138 Regards, Rick -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091103/bcfae37f/attachment.pgp From bms at mscis.org Tue Nov 3 14:54:00 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Tue Nov 3 14:54:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Samba issues after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1257281795.2704.2.camel@strouthos> References: <4AEF8B7C.9000502@mscis.org> <2f932a4a0911021815t43478006n2b3f715766993490@mail.gmail.com> <4AF077B9.6080205@mscis.org> <1257281795.2704.2.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: <4AF0A678.7010204@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard Nadeau wrote: > Brandon, > > Check your firewall rules and make sure the following ports are > open: > > tcp 139 tcp 445 udp 137 udp 138 > > Regards, Rick All Samba connections are on the local network. We have these rules for the local network in iptables: # Allow all local network traffic - -A SBRX-IN -i lo -j ACCEPT - -A SBRX-IN -i eth0 -j ACCEPT That should cover all the ports, including tcp139 and 445 and, udp 137 and 138. Here's something else I've found. When restarting Samba I get this in the logs: root@rc1:~# tail -f /var/log/samba/* ==> /var/log/samba/log.nmbd <== [2009/11/03 14:20:58, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:71(terminate) Got SIGTERM: going down... [2009/11/03 14:21:01, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:854(main) nmbd version 3.4.0 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2009 [2009/11/03 14:21:01, 0] nmbd/asyncdns.c:155(start_async_dns) started asyncdns process 24396 [2009/11/03 14:21:01, 0] nmbd/asyncdns.c:155(start_async_dns) started asyncdns process 24399 [2009/11/03 14:21:01, 0] lib/util_sock.c:541(read_socket_with_timeout) read_socket_with_timeout: read error = Socket operation on non-socket. [2009/11/03 14:21:01, 0] nmbd/asyncdns.c:222(run_dns_queue) read from child failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED ==> /var/log/samba/log.smbd <== [2009/11/03 14:21:01, 0] smbd/server.c:1068(main) smbd version 3.4.0 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2009 The NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED and read_socket_with_timeout: read error = Socket operation on non-socket both seem to jump out. Any other ideas? Thank you everyone. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkrwpncACgkQx0pgn74qrcJ0tACeIr5KuDeXvEt/uWl6OXgjaBrq bdgAoLI41nO6YVk/9bgCf57++UsshBoy =wJS3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 17:35:11 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Nov 3 17:35:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Samba issues after upgrade In-Reply-To: <4AF0A678.7010204@mscis.org> References: <4AEF8B7C.9000502@mscis.org> <2f932a4a0911021815t43478006n2b3f715766993490@mail.gmail.com> <4AF077B9.6080205@mscis.org> <1257281795.2704.2.camel@strouthos> <4AF0A678.7010204@mscis.org> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911031635x28cfae9duea310be02d48fddf@mail.gmail.com> Are you authenticating Samba to an Active Directory domain on your LAN? Or is this a simple workgroup? On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Richard Nadeau wrote: >> Brandon, >> >> Check your firewall rules and make sure the following ports are >> open: >> >> tcp 139 tcp 445 udp 137 udp 138 >> >> Regards, Rick > > All Samba connections are on the local network. ?We have these rules > for the local network in iptables: > > # Allow all local network traffic > - -A SBRX-IN -i lo -j ACCEPT > - -A SBRX-IN -i eth0 -j ACCEPT > > That should cover all the ports, including tcp139 and 445 and, udp 137 > and 138. > > Here's something else I've found. ?When restarting Samba I get this in > the logs: > > root@rc1:~# tail -f /var/log/samba/* > > ==> /var/log/samba/log.nmbd <== > [2009/11/03 14:20:58, ?0] nmbd/nmbd.c:71(terminate) > ?Got SIGTERM: going down... > [2009/11/03 14:21:01, ?0] nmbd/nmbd.c:854(main) > ?nmbd version 3.4.0 started. > ?Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2009 > [2009/11/03 14:21:01, ?0] nmbd/asyncdns.c:155(start_async_dns) > ?started asyncdns process 24396 > [2009/11/03 14:21:01, ?0] nmbd/asyncdns.c:155(start_async_dns) > ?started asyncdns process 24399 > [2009/11/03 14:21:01, ?0] lib/util_sock.c:541(read_socket_with_timeout) > ?read_socket_with_timeout: read error = Socket operation on non-socket. > [2009/11/03 14:21:01, ?0] nmbd/asyncdns.c:222(run_dns_queue) > ?read from child failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED > > ==> /var/log/samba/log.smbd <== > [2009/11/03 14:21:01, ?0] smbd/server.c:1068(main) > ?smbd version 3.4.0 started. > ?Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2009 > > The NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED and read_socket_with_timeout: read error = > Socket operation on non-socket both seem to jump out. > > Any other ideas? > > Thank you everyone. > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkrwpncACgkQx0pgn74qrcJ0tACeIr5KuDeXvEt/uWl6OXgjaBrq > bdgAoLI41nO6YVk/9bgCf57++UsshBoy > =wJS3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 19:03:54 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Nov 3 19:04:06 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Blender Utah Users Group starting, for all who are interested Message-ID: hey all, me and smcquay are starting a blender users group for utah. there is not much to announce yet, since we don't have many who've said "im in for sure". i have a wiki set up on http://blenderutah.netai.net/wiki/ , if you'd like to participate, edit it with at least your nickname online and your email, and your real name if you feel like putting it up there. also, if you'd like to participate, we're still at the brainstorming stage :), and any ideas at all about how you'd like to group to be run will still be taking into very serious consideration. -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 19:04:32 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Nov 3 19:04:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Blender Utah Users Group starting, for all who are interested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oops, that's http://utahblender.netai.net/wiki . On 11/3/09, Christian Horne wrote: > hey all, me and smcquay are starting a blender users group for utah. > there is not much to announce yet, since we don't have many who've > said "im in for sure". i have a wiki set up on > http://blenderutah.netai.net/wiki/ , if you'd like to participate, > edit it with at least your nickname online and your email, and your > real name if you feel like putting it up there. also, if you'd like to > participate, we're still at the brainstorming stage :), and any ideas > at all about how you'd like to group to be run will still be taking > into very serious consideration. > > -- > the blendmaster > -- the blendmaster From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 19:19:06 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Tue Nov 3 19:19:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Blender Utah Users Group starting, for all who are interested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm in for sure (granted, I may not be able to go to any meetings unless they mesh with my schedule, but I'm in for sure). However, I don't really want to put my email address on a wiki... ~Leif "If Google wants to change copyright law, they should be required to do it the traditional way, political corruption". --Siva Vaidhyanathan On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > hey all, me and smcquay are starting a blender users group for utah. > there is not much to announce yet, since we don't have many who've > said "im in for sure". i have a wiki set up on > http://blenderutah.netai.net/wiki/ , if you'd like to participate, > edit it with at least your nickname online and your email, and your > real name if you feel like putting it up there. also, if you'd like to > participate, we're still at the brainstorming stage :), and any ideas > at all about how you'd like to group to be run will still be taking > into very serious consideration. > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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BetaLoft SLC 357 West 200 South Suite 201 Salt Lake City, UT, 84101 Cheers, Herlo From wattwood at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 13:16:17 2009 From: wattwood at gmail.com (William Attwood) Date: Wed Nov 4 13:16:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Off topic, a little Message-ID: <7f2da9a80911041216t38200e63t1fce8abe51e15e72@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys and gals-- I'm a native Linux user, however, a project I'm on has me diving into the unfamiliar world of ColdFusion, IIS, and SQL Server. I'm looking to this group and asking, have any of you dealt with High Availability using the above technologies? I could use a resource to guide me as I go down this path. I know, difficult question to ask on this list. Don't flame, too much. ;-) -- Take care, William Attwood Idea Extraordinaire wattwood@gmail.com Ted Turner - "Sports is like a war without the killing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091104/bce2c086/attachment.html From kwalker at kobran.org Wed Nov 4 13:49:59 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Wed Nov 4 13:50:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Off topic, a little In-Reply-To: <7f2da9a80911041216t38200e63t1fce8abe51e15e72@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f2da9a80911041216t38200e63t1fce8abe51e15e72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1257367799.2767.4.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 13:16 -0700, William Attwood wrote: > I'm a native Linux user, however, a project I'm on has me diving > into the unfamiliar world of ColdFusion, IIS, and SQL Server. I'm > looking to this group and asking, have any of you dealt with High > Availability using the above technologies? I could use a resource to > guide me as I go down this path. I can't speak too much to ColdFusion or IIS (I haven't worked with CF since v4 and from what I've seen IIS is pretty easy if you have a load balancer), but SQL Server high availability is going to be expensive. There are basically two ways to do it, both of which require multiple machines. You can go SQL Server Clustering which is like $40k per CPU per box, or you can do an automatic fail-over master-slave, which requires at least two SQL Standard boxes with CPU licenses (Something like $9k per CPU per box) and a third box (Which I think can run SQL Express) to act as a "witness" server. Once you decide which way to go, your MS Rep should be able to help you, for a price. -KW From eggyknap at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 09:07:22 2009 From: eggyknap at gmail.com (Joshua Tolley) Date: Thu Nov 5 09:07:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PIC IDEs for Linux In-Reply-To: <2e84de770910012124k64a36ad7l70ffd1f5ced1f9df@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e84de770910012124k64a36ad7l70ffd1f5ced1f9df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091105160722.GU28186@eddie> On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:24:43PM -0600, Michael Heath wrote: > Is anyone aware of good PIC microcontroller GUI software available for > Linux? I'm looking for something like what's available for windows -- > an IDE, compiler, and programmer built into one. It needs to support > the PICKit 2 adapter. > > I was hoping to find something that supports standard PIC C, too. My > search so far has only turned up cryptic, confusing, and out of date > compilers. > > Thanks for any help, > Michael Heath I just found a possible contender in the compiler-only arena, that's clearly modern and maintained: http://www.htsoft.com/products/compilers/piccpro-modes.php The "Lite" version is freeware, and claims it runs on Linux. I haven't verified this claim... but it might suit the purpose. It's not, apparently, an IDE, and therefore probably also needs some other software to actually flash the chip, but it is pretty clearly supported, for whatever that's worth. -- Joshua Tolley / eggyknap End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Come to the SLLUG > daytime SIG meeting to find out. > > More information can be found at http://rsscloud.org/ > > So why not come down to BetaLoft next Wednesday, November 11, from > 11:30am-1pm and learn about RSSCloud. > > BetaLoft SLC > 357 West 200 South Suite 201 > Salt Lake City, UT, 84101 > > Cheers, > > Herlo > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 20:54:41 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri Nov 6 20:54:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime: RSSCloud, what is it and why should I care? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why Nov 12? Did I miss a memo? -C On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > woah... maybe we should do it nov12? or not. > > On 11/4/09, Clint Savage wrote: >> This month we're getting back on track with the Salt Lake Linux User >> Group Daytime meeting at BetaLoft. ?Our presenter this month is C.R. >> Oldham and he had this to say about the presentation: >> >> RSSCloud is an open protocol which creates a loosely-coupled >> Twitter-like network of people and 140 character status messages. ?In >> plainer language, it enables real-time status updates on anything that >> can be pushed via RSS. ?Why should you care? ?Come to the SLLUG >> daytime SIG meeting to find out. >> >> More information can be found at http://rsscloud.org/ >> >> So why not come down to BetaLoft next Wednesday, November 11, from >> 11:30am-1pm and learn about RSSCloud. >> >> BetaLoft SLC >> 357 West 200 South Suite 201 >> Salt Lake City, UT, 84101 >> >> Cheers, >> >> Herlo >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 15:53:37 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Nov 7 15:53:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime: RSSCloud, what is it and why should I care? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: because nov11 is bad luck for institutions of all kinds. On 11/6/09, Clint Savage wrote: > Why Nov 12? Did I miss a memo? > > -C > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Christian Horne > wrote: >> woah... maybe we should do it nov12? or not. >> >> On 11/4/09, Clint Savage wrote: >>> This month we're getting back on track with the Salt Lake Linux User >>> Group Daytime meeting at BetaLoft. ?Our presenter this month is C.R. >>> Oldham and he had this to say about the presentation: >>> >>> RSSCloud is an open protocol which creates a loosely-coupled >>> Twitter-like network of people and 140 character status messages. ?In >>> plainer language, it enables real-time status updates on anything that >>> can be pushed via RSS. ?Why should you care? ?Come to the SLLUG >>> daytime SIG meeting to find out. >>> >>> More information can be found at http://rsscloud.org/ >>> >>> So why not come down to BetaLoft next Wednesday, November 11, from >>> 11:30am-1pm and learn about RSSCloud. >>> >>> BetaLoft SLC >>> 357 West 200 South Suite 201 >>> Salt Lake City, UT, 84101 >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Herlo >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From herlo1 at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 09:26:57 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sun Nov 8 09:27:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime: RSSCloud, what is it and why should I care? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Veteran's day? You need a ride because the buses are not running? -C On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > because nov11 is bad luck for institutions of all kinds. > > On 11/6/09, Clint Savage wrote: >> Why Nov 12? ?Did I miss a memo? >> >> -C >> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Christian Horne >> wrote: >>> woah... maybe we should do it nov12? or not. >>> >>> On 11/4/09, Clint Savage wrote: >>>> This month we're getting back on track with the Salt Lake Linux User >>>> Group Daytime meeting at BetaLoft. ?Our presenter this month is C.R. >>>> Oldham and he had this to say about the presentation: >>>> >>>> RSSCloud is an open protocol which creates a loosely-coupled >>>> Twitter-like network of people and 140 character status messages. ?In >>>> plainer language, it enables real-time status updates on anything that >>>> can be pushed via RSS. ?Why should you care? ?Come to the SLLUG >>>> daytime SIG meeting to find out. >>>> >>>> More information can be found at http://rsscloud.org/ >>>> >>>> So why not come down to BetaLoft next Wednesday, November 11, from >>>> 11:30am-1pm and learn about RSSCloud. >>>> >>>> BetaLoft SLC >>>> 357 West 200 South Suite 201 >>>> Salt Lake City, UT, 84101 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Herlo >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> the blendmaster >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 13:07:07 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Utah Open Source) Date: Mon Nov 9 13:07:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Utah Open Source Activities for November 2009 Message-ID: <819b61593ea8a14a48d37c1e09a50f2b@sugar.utos.org> The Utah Open Source Foundation, in its goal to promote Open Source throughout Utah and beyond, is proud to promote the following events. These events are generally related to Open Source and Technology in Utah. If your event is not listed below, please contact clint@utos.org to get it added. Utah Technology Community Announcements * UTOSC 2009 is over, we had 427 attendees, thank you all for coming. See you in 2010! * Ubuntu Karmic Koala has been released, get it at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download * openSUSE 11.1 releases on November 11, get it at http://software.opensuse.org/111/en * Fedora 12 releases on November 17, get it at http://get.fedoraproject.org If you have announcements or events for October 2009 or beyond happening around open source in the Mountain West which you would like included, please contact clint@utos.org. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Upcoming Activities for November 2009 Tue, November 10 7:30pm - 9:00pm Ogden Area Linux User Group Link: http://oalug.com Where: Weber County Main Library, Board Room Contact: Seth House, whiteinge aTT gmail Wed, November 11, 11:30pm ? 1:00pm SLLUG: Daytime SIG Meeting Where: BetaLoft SLC - 357 West 200 S, Suite 201, Salt Lake City Contact: Clint Savage, herlo1@gmail.com Wed, November 11, 7:30pm ? 9:00pm Provo Linux Users Group Link: http://plug.org Where: Omniture Contact: Ryan Simpkins, simpkins.ryan @gmail.com Thu, November 12, 7:00pm ? 8:30pm Utah Python User Group Meeting Link: http://utahpython.org Where: Bill Good Marketing, 12393 Gateway Park Pl #600 Draper, Utah Contact: Dave, tonedevf AT gmail.com Sat, November 14, 6pm ? 8pm Ubuntu-Utah Meeting Link: http://utah.ubuntu-us.org Where: University of Utah - Merrill Engineering Building (MEB) Comp-Sci Labs Rm 2555 Contact: Mike Basinger mike dOT basinger @ gmail Tue, November 17, 6pm ? 8:40pm Utah Mobile Developers Group Link: http://www.utahmobiledev.org Where: 8th Avenue & C Street Salt Lake City, UT 84103 (Jon and Karen Huntsman Education Center, LDS Hospital) Contact: Glen Lewis glen aT glenlewis.com Wed, November 18, 7:10pm ? 8:40pm Salt Lake Linux User Group (SLLUG) Link: http://sllug.org Where: University of Utah, Warnock Engineering Building (WEB) room 101 (or 103) (Previously known as EMCB) Contact: Marc Christensen marc aT mecworks.com Thu, November 19, 6pm ? 9pm Utah Java User's Group (ujug.org) Link: http://ujug.org Where: Intermountain Medical Center, Doty Family Education Center, Murray, Utah Contact: Chris Maki, chrismaki AT me.com Thu, November 19, 7:00pm ? 8:30pm Utah PHP User Group (UPHPU) Link: http://uphpu.org Where: Bill Good Marketing, Draper, Utah Contact: Victor Villa, vvilla @ gmail.com Tue, November 24, 6:30pm ? 8:00pm SLC Ruby (slc.rb) Link: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/urug Where: Neumont University Room #300 Contact: Jake Mallory, tinomen @gmail.com Thu, December 3, 8:00am CTO Breakfast Link: http://www.windley.com/cto_forum Contact: Phil Windley, phil AT WINDLEY dot org Thu, December 3, 8:00am UTOS Geek Lunch Link: http://blog.utos.org/geek-lunch/ Contact: Victor Villa vvilla at GMAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Each of the events are from the Utah Tech Events calendar. Feel free to subscribe by clicking the link below (or adding the following feed to your calendaring program) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Utah Tech Events Calendar - Google Calendar: http://sn.im/ute-calendar Utah Tech Events Calendar - iCal Feed: http://sn.im/ute-calendar-ics From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 14:13:06 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon Nov 9 14:13:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime This Wednesday 11:30-1 @ BetaLoftSLC Message-ID: Just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting for the SLLUG daytime meeting THIS WEDNESDAY, November 11 @ 11:30-1pm We'll be meeting at BetaLoftSLC as we have for the past few months. Come and check out their digs as the coolest coworking space in Salt Lake City. BetaLoft SLC 357 West 200 South Suite 201 Salt Lake City, UT, 84101 For more info, here's the original announcement. http://sexysexypenguins.com/2009/11/04/sllug-daytime-rsscloud-what-is-it-and-why-should-i-care/ See you all on Wednesday! Cheers, Clint From marc at sllug.org Tue Nov 10 07:10:52 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Nov 10 07:10:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Looking for a presenter for next meeting (Wed. Nov. 18, 2009) Message-ID: <4AF9746C.6070907@sllug.org> Hey everyone! We're looking for a presenter for our meeting this month (and next actually). If you're interested in presenting on a cool Linux/OpenSource topic, shoot an email to comments@sllug.org. Thanks everyone! -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From kd7nyq at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 01:00:25 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Wed Nov 11 01:00:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Testimony Request Message-ID: <79c119390911110000x701a3e7cs858600b6632a8f35@mail.gmail.com> To All: I currently work at a data processing center which utilizes a network of Windows NT systems as the primary platform for our software. In an effort to minimize costs and maximize productivity, I proposed to my manager the possibility of switching to Linux on low power, small form factor PCs. The proposal was designed to be implemented incrementally, facilitating a smooth transition while providing a much needed code review. I have received much resistance as our development team has grown accustomed to using .NET languages and our technical support department prefers Windows. Few, if any, of either department are familiar with *NIX as a development and processing platform, but, considering the potential cost savings, the transition appears quite reasonable. As a result, my manager is torn between the choices of potential cost savings and company tradition. I know there are several people in this mailing list who work in Linux oriented data centers. What I would like to ask is that those people come forward with their experiences of using Linux in your/our industry. In all fairness, I would like to hear the good as well as the bad. If possible, please include some contact information for follow-up. Your statements would help a great deal as I seek to serve the interests of my department. Thank you. -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 08:14:47 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Nov 11 08:14:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime TODAY 11:30-1 @ BetaLoftSLC Message-ID: One last reminder about the SLLUG daytime meeting TODAY November 11 @ 11:30-1pm We'll be meeting at BetaLoftSLC as we have for the past few months. Come and check out their digs as the coolest coworking space in Salt Lake City. BetaLoft SLC 357 West 200 South Suite 201 Salt Lake City, UT, 84101 For more info, here's the original announcement. http://sexysexypenguins.com/2009/11/04/sllug-daytime-rsscloud-what-is-it-and-why-should-i-care/ Cheers, Clint From mfrederico at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 09:49:41 2009 From: mfrederico at gmail.com (Matthew Frederico) Date: Wed Nov 11 09:49:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Testimony Request In-Reply-To: <79c119390911110000x701a3e7cs858600b6632a8f35@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390911110000x701a3e7cs858600b6632a8f35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39979759-FDF7-4D56-B7CA-8D199FBEF8E9@gmail.com> Andrew, my responses may jump back and forth with some pros and cons. Mostly intended to just get you thinking.. > I currently work at a data processing center which utilizes a network > of Windows NT systems as the primary platform for our software. In an > effort to minimize costs and maximize productivity, I proposed to my > manager the possibility of switching to Linux on low power, small form > factor PCs. Is the current method (albeit expensive) broken? And if so, would the human cost of migrating and re-learning new systems offset the cost of continuing with what you have? > The proposal was designed to be implemented > incrementally, facilitating a smooth transition while providing a much > needed code review. As long as your code is "FROZEN" while you migrate, this sounds like a great opportunity to move on your migration idea. > I have received much resistance as our > development team has grown accustomed to using .NET languages and our > technical support department prefers Windows. Few, if any, of either > department are familiar with *NIX as a development and processing > platform, but, considering the potential cost savings, Hold it right there .. Cost savings? How many machines are you using? Again, I'd highly recommend looking at the human cost. IT may cost you less MONEY but it may cost you down time which often equates to even more money... Be careful with that one. I'd pow-wow with your entire dev team to find out what their thoughts are. If they become upset and overwhelmed with learning new things, performance my degrade. > the transition > appears quite reasonable. As a result, my manager is torn between the > choices of potential cost savings and company tradition. Well, being "torn" between cost savings and company tradition - if it's technology for the simple sake of technology and "tradition" that's not a good enough reason to keep your current system. If the technology of Linux is better suited for what you're expecting company growth to be, then the answer is clear and simple. > I know there are several people in this mailing list who work in Linux > oriented data centers. What I would like to ask is that those people > come forward with their experiences of using Linux in your/our > industry. In all fairness, I would like to hear the good as well as > the bad. If possible, please include some contact information for > follow-up. Your statements would help a great deal as I seek to serve > the interests of my department. I work at a fairly large corporation that creates "CS4". I'm in the marketing department. We're running linux just about everywhere in our datacenter and on our marketing servers. And up until OSX "Snow Leopard" I had been running Linux on my laptop. LOVE IT, it has all the tools I need and more. Hope that helps! From jshatch at azza.com Wed Nov 11 14:28:55 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Wed Nov 11 14:29:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave Message-ID: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> I've just been given some Google Wave invites. I gave a few out but don't have anyone else to give them to. I have 6 left. If anyone on the list would like one please email me off list and I'll hand them out until they are gone. Jarom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091111/4c28ea03/signature.pgp From jshatch at azza.com Wed Nov 11 15:15:42 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Wed Nov 11 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> Message-ID: <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> Due to high demand I am now out of stock. That went fast... :) Jarom Hatch wrote: > I've just been given some Google Wave invites. I gave a few out but > don't have anyone else to give them to. I have 6 left. 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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Jarom Hatch wrote: > Due to high demand I am now out of stock. ?That went fast... :) > > Jarom Hatch wrote: >> I've just been given some Google Wave invites. ?I gave a few out but >> don't have anyone else to give them to. ?I have 6 left. ?If anyone on >> the list would like one please email me off list and I'll hand them out >> until they are gone. >> >> Jarom >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com From mmurdock at kimballequipment.com Wed Nov 11 15:23:30 2009 From: mmurdock at kimballequipment.com (Mat Murdock) Date: Wed Nov 11 15:24:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> Message-ID: <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> I've got 30 invites, so if anyone wants one let me know off list. Mat Murdock Jarom Hatch wrote: > Due to high demand I am now out of stock. That went fast... :) > > Jarom Hatch wrote: > >> I've just been given some Google Wave invites. I gave a few out but >> don't have anyone else to give them to. I have 6 left. If anyone on >> the list would like one please email me off list and I'll hand them out >> until they are gone. >> >> Jarom >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(sorry, couldn't resist!) ;) Rick From jshatch at azza.com Wed Nov 11 15:45:04 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Wed Nov 11 15:45:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <1257978733.28988.3.camel@strouthos> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <1257978733.28988.3.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: <4AFB3E70.8080308@azza.com> Richard Nadeau wrote: > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 15:23 -0700, Mat Murdock wrote: >> I've got 30 invites, so if anyone wants one let me know off list. > > Looks like we've got a tidal wave... So, with all the invites floating around out there I am estimating that by this time tomorrow everyone on earth will have a wave account and 30 invites... :) > (sorry, couldn't resist!) ;) Yeah, you could've... :) Jarom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone >>> on >>> the list would like one please email me off list and I'll hand >>> them out >>> until they are gone. >>> >>> Jarom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel >>> #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I gave a few out but >>>> don't have anyone else to give them to. I have 6 left. If anyone on >>>> the list would like one please email me off list and I'll hand them out >>>> until they are gone. >>>> >>>> Jarom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> Seehttp://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members onirc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> Seehttp://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members onirc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >> and is >> believed to be clean. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091111/229f01b0/attachment.htm From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 20:39:41 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Wed Nov 11 20:39:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Microsoft patents "Sudo" In-Reply-To: <7f2da9a80911111919v6ad1678ax336474c24e0ee23e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f2da9a80911111919v6ad1678ax336474c24e0ee23e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911111939h56c22488s7cbae497a305998a@mail.gmail.com> That is pathetic! I'm not surprised to see MS try to still a perfectly good binary and pretend that it's their own... Hell, most of Windows is built that way. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:19 PM, William Attwood wrote: > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091111094923390 > > -- > Take care, > William Attwood > Idea Extraordinaire > wattwood@gmail.com > > Mike Ditka ?- "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given > us arms." > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 20:43:34 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Wed Nov 11 21:36:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Microsoft patents "Sudo" In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0911111939h56c22488s7cbae497a305998a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f2da9a80911111919v6ad1678ax336474c24e0ee23e@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0911111939h56c22488s7cbae497a305998a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ug...sorry for my crankiness, but this has been going around the ranks over at ubuntuforums... There is prior art, so if MS tries to sue anyone, they won't get very far. Nothing to worry about, move along...yeah for lame star wars puns...lol ~Leif By Bus: 1 hour and 39 minutes By Car: 19 minutes!!! I have got to find some way to be able to drive, I'm royally sick of the bus. (According to Google Maps) On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff < justinbrinkerhoff@gmail.com> wrote: > That is pathetic! I'm not surprised to see MS try to still a perfectly > good binary and pretend that it's their own... Hell, most of Windows > is built that way. > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:19 PM, William Attwood > wrote: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091111094923390 > > > > -- > > Take care, > > William Attwood > > Idea Extraordinaire > > wattwood@gmail.com > > > > Mike Ditka - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have > given > > us arms." > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm more than willing not to contest them for it :-) From ewfalor at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 09:18:48 2009 From: ewfalor at gmail.com (Erik Falor) Date: Thu Nov 12 09:19:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Microsoft patents "Sudo" In-Reply-To: References: <7f2da9a80911111919v6ad1678ax336474c24e0ee23e@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0911111939h56c22488s7cbae497a305998a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091112161846.GA25679@gnu.prunk.si> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:43:34PM -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > Ug...sorry for my crankiness, but this has been going around the ranks over > at ubuntuforums... > > There is prior art, so if MS tries to sue anyone, they won't get very far. Thank goodness somebody _finally_ combined my two favorite things into one! Account privilege separation and an attractive, clean graphical interface. Hang on, in the patent report on uspto.gov, they list several web pages about sudo in the "Other References" section. There's a reference to GKSU, a GTK+ front-end to su. What, then, is their innovation? Thinking of filing a patent before any of the dozen other implementors did? These guys are either brazen patent abusers, or completely deluded. I mean, what exactly does their "invention" bring to the table? Maybe I'm not literate enough in patent-ese to fully understand all of the nuances of this patent, but it sounds like the only difference between this and sudo is the GUI and a list of accounts to run this task as, which is (helpfully?) sorted by "frequency of use; and association with the current user;". I loathe to think about where our civilization would be without the innovative geniuses from Redmond. It's a miracle that we made it through the Industrial Revolution without their guiding hand. Also, has anyone told these patent trolls that run-on sentences are very difficult to read? While we're at it, we should really send them a style guide for writers. They clearly weren't in class the day the teacher taught the lesson about semi-colons not being a substitute for periods. Teh p4ten7 ReP0rtz: http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,617,530.PN.&OS=PN/7,617,530&RS=PN/7,617,530 -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They clearly weren't in class the day the > teacher taught the lesson about semi-colons not being a substitute for > periods. > Standard "legalese"... "Legalese is an English term first used in 1914 for legal writing that is difficult for laypeople to read and understand, the implication being that this abstruseness is deliberate for excluding the legally untrained and to justify high fees" [1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalese#Legalese / / From beebe at math.utah.edu Thu Nov 12 17:43:25 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Thu Nov 12 17:43:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] OpenSUSE 11.2 news story Message-ID: This just came in: Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols: OpenSUSE 11.2 Arrives http://blogs.computerworld.com/15085/opensuse_11_2_arrives ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From beebe at math.utah.edu Thu Nov 12 17:49:33 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Thu Nov 12 17:49:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] New Google programming language with famous designers Message-ID: Here are three related news stories today: IT Blogwatch: Google's Go; a new, open-source programming language http://blogs.computerworld.com/15078/googles_go_a_new_open_source_programming_language Google creates programming language to simplify app dev http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140637/Google_creates_programming_language_to_simplify_app_dev Google's Go is promising, but still in diapers http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140737/Google_s_Go_is_promising_but_still_in_diapers A significant point is this: >> ... >> The project's developers include Unix founding father Ken Thompson; >> fellow Bell Labs Unix developer Rob Pike; and Robert Griesemer, known >> for his work on the Java HotSpot compiler. They call the language Go >> because, well, you know. "'Ogle' would be a good name for a Go >> debugger," the company says. >> ... Two relevant books are Brian W. Kernighan and Rob Pike The UNIX Programming Environment (1984) ISBN 0-13-937699-2 Brian W. Kernighan and Rob Pike The Practice of Programming (1999) ISBN 0-201-61586-X Despite their age, they have much important to say. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From beebe at math.utah.edu Thu Nov 12 18:01:20 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:01:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] what came before Unix Message-ID: Here is a story for those of you interested in computer history, especially the roots of Unix and GNU/Linux: http://www.cio.com.au/article/325323/cio_blast_from_past_40_years_multics_1969-2009 Multics ran a very long time: 1964 to 2000, and there has been work in the last couple of years in resurrecting it on a virtual machine: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics for more history. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 18:13:20 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:13:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] what came before Unix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911121713l110fa444q41d181fd02235550@mail.gmail.com> Right on, thanks for sharing that! Now can you do some Graphing Linear Inequalities for me for this homework I have due tomorrow? LOL On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > Here is a story for those of you interested in computer > history, especially the roots of Unix and GNU/Linux: > > ? ? ? ?http://www.cio.com.au/article/325323/cio_blast_from_past_40_years_multics_1969-2009 > > Multics ran a very long time: 1964 to 2000, and there has been work in the > last couple of years in resurrecting it on a virtual machine: see > > ? ? ? ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics > > for more history. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Nelson H. F. Beebe ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Tel: +1 801 581 5254 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- > - University of Utah ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?FAX: +1 801 581 4148 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB ? ?Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu ?- > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? beebe@acm.org ?beebe@computer.org - > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA ? ?URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From kd7nyq at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 18:16:34 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:16:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] what came before Unix In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0911121713l110fa444q41d181fd02235550@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0911121713l110fa444q41d181fd02235550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390911121716g455de87p700d2622d2012e18@mail.gmail.com> > Now can you do some Graphing Linear Inequalities for me for this > homework I have due tomorrow? LOL > I'll trade you Linear Inequalities for some Set Theory! -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 18:21:16 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:21:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] what came before Unix In-Reply-To: <79c119390911121716g455de87p700d2622d2012e18@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0911121713l110fa444q41d181fd02235550@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911121716g455de87p700d2622d2012e18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911121721u7ec8c849s254f3b4194dfdad4@mail.gmail.com> LOL On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: >> Now can you do some Graphing Linear Inequalities for me for this >> homework I have due tomorrow? LOL >> > > I'll trade you Linear Inequalities for some Set Theory! > > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. ?All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From kd7nyq at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 20:55:50 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Thu Nov 12 20:55:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] New Google programming language with famous designers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79c119390911121955g906741bya14bb8f5025ef5d8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > Here are three related news stories today: > > ? ? ? ?IT Blogwatch: Google's Go; a new, open-source programming language > ? ? ? ?http://blogs.computerworld.com/15078/googles_go_a_new_open_source_programming_language > > ? ? ? ?Google creates programming language to simplify app dev > ? ? ? ?http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140637/Google_creates_programming_language_to_simplify_app_dev > > ? ? ? ?Google's Go is promising, but still in diapers > ? ? ? ?http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140737/Google_s_Go_is_promising_but_still_in_diapers > Ummm... Am I the only one excited by this? Maybe I'm too naive... -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 21:12:28 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Nov 12 21:12:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] New Google programming language with famous designers In-Reply-To: <79c119390911121955g906741bya14bb8f5025ef5d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390911121955g906741bya14bb8f5025ef5d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911122012g7daa34a8w198d75b47b1967f8@mail.gmail.com> It's kind of cool, it being specialized for multi core and clustered environments. So I suppose for a large scale enterprise app (assuming this is successful to begin with ;) ), it could be ideal, but aside from that, why would a developer such as myself take the time to learn a whole new language, when PHP or Ruby/Rails can get the job done with web apps, and Java SE and C++ can get local apps done just like they have been? On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: >> Here are three related news stories today: >> >> ? ? ? ?IT Blogwatch: Google's Go; a new, open-source programming language >> ? ? ? ?http://blogs.computerworld.com/15078/googles_go_a_new_open_source_programming_language >> >> ? ? ? ?Google creates programming language to simplify app dev >> ? ? ? ?http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140637/Google_creates_programming_language_to_simplify_app_dev >> >> ? ? ? ?Google's Go is promising, but still in diapers >> ? ? ? ?http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140737/Google_s_Go_is_promising_but_still_in_diapers >> > > Ummm... Am I the only one excited by this? ?Maybe I'm too naive... > > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. ?All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From thatch45 at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 21:24:42 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Thu Nov 12 21:24:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] New Google programming language with famous designers In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0911122012g7daa34a8w198d75b47b1967f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390911121955g906741bya14bb8f5025ef5d8@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0911122012g7daa34a8w198d75b47b1967f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0911122024t117a55e1i930856635c6c4967@mail.gmail.com> Nuts to other languages man, its GO time! But seriously, this looks promising, I hope it pans out! -Tom Hatch On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff < justinbrinkerhoff@gmail.com> wrote: > It's kind of cool, it being specialized for multi core and clustered > environments. > > So I suppose for a large scale enterprise app (assuming this is > successful to begin with ;) ), it could be ideal, but aside from that, > why would a developer such as myself take the time to learn a whole > new language, when PHP or Ruby/Rails can get the job done with web > apps, and Java SE and C++ can get local apps done just like they have > been? > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe > wrote: > >> Here are three related news stories today: > >> > >> IT Blogwatch: Google's Go; a new, open-source programming > language > >> > http://blogs.computerworld.com/15078/googles_go_a_new_open_source_programming_language > >> > >> Google creates programming language to simplify app dev > >> > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140637/Google_creates_programming_language_to_simplify_app_dev > >> > >> Google's Go is promising, but still in diapers > >> > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140737/Google_s_Go_is_promising_but_still_in_diapers > >> > > > > Ummm... Am I the only one excited by this? Maybe I'm too naive... > > > > -- > > Andrew Jackman > > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091113/54f61b42/attachment.htm From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 21:05:17 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Fri Nov 13 21:05:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> Message-ID: i'd like an invite, but since so many people said they have some, i am herby refusing to email each person one at a time :P, and simply requesting: i'd like one... On 11/11/09, Chris Brown wrote: > I have 17 invites left as well. > > Likewise, email me off-list. > > Chris Brown > > On 11/11/2009 5:04 PM, James Noble wrote: >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Mat Murdock >> > >> wrote: >> >>> I've got 30 invites, so if anyone wants one let me know off list. >>> >>> Mat Murdock >>> >>> Jarom Hatch wrote: >>>> Due to high demand I am now out of stock. That went fast... :) >>>> >>>> Jarom Hatch wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've just been given some Google Wave invites. I gave a few out but >>>>> don't have anyone else to give them to. I have 6 left. If anyone on >>>>> the list would like one please email me off list and I'll hand them out >>>>> until they are gone. >>>>> >>>>> Jarom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Seehttp://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members onirc.FreeNode.net >>>>> channel #Utah >>>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> Seehttp://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members onirc.FreeNode.net >>>> channel #Utah >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >>> and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >>> channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 21:06:18 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Fri Nov 13 21:06:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime: RSSCloud, what is it and why should I care? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: lol i was making jokes about 9/11, somehow not realizing that it was 11/11. On 11/8/09, Clint Savage wrote: > Veteran's day? You need a ride because the buses are not running? > > -C > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Christian Horne > wrote: >> because nov11 is bad luck for institutions of all kinds. >> >> On 11/6/09, Clint Savage wrote: >>> Why Nov 12? ?Did I miss a memo? >>> >>> -C >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Christian Horne >>> wrote: >>>> woah... maybe we should do it nov12? or not. >>>> >>>> On 11/4/09, Clint Savage wrote: >>>>> This month we're getting back on track with the Salt Lake Linux User >>>>> Group Daytime meeting at BetaLoft. ?Our presenter this month is C.R. >>>>> Oldham and he had this to say about the presentation: >>>>> >>>>> RSSCloud is an open protocol which creates a loosely-coupled >>>>> Twitter-like network of people and 140 character status messages. ?In >>>>> plainer language, it enables real-time status updates on anything that >>>>> can be pushed via RSS. ?Why should you care? ?Come to the SLLUG >>>>> daytime SIG meeting to find out. >>>>> >>>>> More information can be found at http://rsscloud.org/ >>>>> >>>>> So why not come down to BetaLoft next Wednesday, November 11, from >>>>> 11:30am-1pm and learn about RSSCloud. >>>>> >>>>> BetaLoft SLC >>>>> 357 West 200 South Suite 201 >>>>> Salt Lake City, UT, 84101 >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Herlo >>>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> the blendmaster >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From hendrik.brower at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 20:35:07 2009 From: hendrik.brower at gmail.com (Hendrik Brower) Date: Sun Nov 15 20:35:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: re: Access to big endian machine with C++ compiler (Brian Wood) Message-ID: <70F92D72-1050-4889-A1FE-4222C700042B@gmail.com> I bet you could find an older IBM based mac on eBay that could run Linux. good luck From marc at sllug.org Mon Nov 16 11:00:05 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Mon Nov 16 11:00:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? Message-ID: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> Hey all, I'm still looking for a presenter for this Wednesday. If you'd like to present or know someone that would, send an email to comments@sllug.org. Thanks all! -- Marc Christensen http://www.novell.com From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 11:22:33 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Mon Nov 16 11:23:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> Message-ID: Well, I won't be ready for this week, sorry. But I've been playing with android app making quite a bit, and if you want, either next month, or some month in the near future, I could present on that. ~Leif On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm still looking for a presenter for this Wednesday. If you'd like to > present or know someone that would, send an email to comments@sllug.org. > > Thanks all! > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.novell.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091116/5c1b4a05/attachment.htm From marc at sllug.org Mon Nov 16 12:11:01 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Mon Nov 16 12:11:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> Message-ID: <4B01A3C5.5000908@sllug.org> Leif Andersen wrote: > Well, I won't be ready for this week, sorry. But I've been playing with > android app making quite a bit, and if you want, either next month, or > some month in the near future, I could present on that. > > ~Leif That would be awesome! From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Nov 16 12:42:51 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Nov 16 12:43:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> Message-ID: <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> I'd LOVE that, since I just got the Motodroid on Saturday. Even more basic, like how to sync Android to Linux and how to import data to Android would be great, and how to sim Android on Linux. Now if I could just figure out how to get a bash command line on Android... But I'm out of town Wed anyway. Maybe Dec or Jan? On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:22 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > Well, I won't be ready for this week, sorry. But I've been playing > with android app making quite a bit, and if you want, either next > month, or some month in the near future, I could present on that. > > ~Leif > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Marc Christensen > wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm still looking for a presenter for this Wednesday. If > you'd like to > present or know someone that would, send an email to > comments@sllug.org. > > Thanks all! > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.novell.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From csum77 at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 14:18:40 2009 From: csum77 at gmail.com (csum77@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 16 14:19:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > Now if I could > just figure out how to get a bash command line on Android... > To steal a line from the corrupt arrogants, there's an app for that. Search for Android Terminal Emulator in the Android Market...there's one listed as just Terminal Emulator, but that doesn't seem to work on the Droid, but the Android Terminal Emulator does... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091116/44870b14/attachment.htm From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 14:19:00 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Mon Nov 16 14:19:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: lol, well, I don't actually own an android phone, so I couldn't tell you how to actually sync it (not yet anyway). However, I could teach you how to simulate it, how to set up a basic development environment, and how to make a basic hello world app, I can even do it this Wed. if you wanted me to. ~Leif On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > I'd LOVE that, since I just got the Motodroid on Saturday. Even more > basic, like how to sync Android to Linux and how to import data to > Android would be great, and how to sim Android on Linux. Now if I could > just figure out how to get a bash command line on Android... > > But I'm out of town Wed anyway. Maybe Dec or Jan? > > On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:22 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > > Well, I won't be ready for this week, sorry. But I've been playing > > with android app making quite a bit, and if you want, either next > > month, or some month in the near future, I could present on that. > > > > ~Leif > > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Marc Christensen > > wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I'm still looking for a presenter for this Wednesday. If > > you'd like to > > present or know someone that would, send an email to > > comments@sllug.org. > > > > Thanks all! > > > > -- > > Marc Christensen > > http://www.novell.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > > links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091116/1e161a4c/attachment.html From marc at sllug.org Mon Nov 16 14:52:50 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Mon Nov 16 14:52:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting: Wed. Nov 18, 2009: Back to the Basics - Introduction to Linux Message-ID: <4B01C9B2.5040001@sllug.org> Hello everyone! This month's meeting will be an introduction to Linux and a basic overview of what it is. It will be a great opportunity to invite people who would like to know about what Linux is and get started. Please bring some people you would like to introduce to Linux. We should hopefully have some Linux CDs/DVDs to give away as well. Thanks to Stuart Jansen for putting this presentation together! Time/Date: ---------- Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 7:10pm p.m. Place: ---------- Room 101 or 103 in Lower Warnock Engineering Building Directions/Parking: Directions - [http://www.map.utah.edu/index.jsp?find=62] Parking can be found just East of the WEB building and there is a big lot just North of the Merrill Engineering building (MEB). Parking is free after 6:00 (Based on the signs posted. Always check in case this changes.) Special thanks go to: - U of U for providing the meeting room. - Various Volunteers From marc at sllug.org Mon Nov 16 14:58:31 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Mon Nov 16 14:58:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Anyone have some latest-version Linux DVDs to bring to the meeting this week? Message-ID: <4B01CB07.9060404@sllug.org> Hey, I was wondering if we can get some people to bring some Linux DVDs to give away at the meeting this week. Hopefully we can get some DVDs of the latest releases of Debian, Fedora, openSUSE, Ubuntu, etc. Anyone have access to some official DVDs of the above distros? -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 15:10:28 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon Nov 16 15:10:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Anyone have some latest-version Linux DVDs to bring to the meeting this week? In-Reply-To: <4B01CB07.9060404@sllug.org> References: <4B01CB07.9060404@sllug.org> Message-ID: Fedora DVDs will be available Dec 2, so I don't think I'll have them. However Fedora does release tomorrow at noon MST! Cheers, Clint On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey, I was wondering if we can get some people to bring some Linux DVDs > to give away at the meeting this week. > > Hopefully we can get some DVDs of the latest releases of Debian, Fedora, > openSUSE, Ubuntu, etc. > > Anyone have access to some official DVDs of the above distros? > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.sllug.org > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From mark.k.spute at L-3com.com Mon Nov 16 15:19:02 2009 From: mark.k.spute at L-3com.com (mark.k.spute@L-3com.com) Date: Mon Nov 16 15:19:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Anyone have some latest-version Linux DVDs to bring to the meeting this week? In-Reply-To: <4B01CB07.9060404@sllug.org> References: <4B01CB07.9060404@sllug.org> Message-ID: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124E56@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Mint! Bring some Mint! -----Original Message----- From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Christensen Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:59 PM To: SLLUG Members Subject: [sllug-members]: Anyone have some latest-version Linux DVDs to bring to the meeting this week? Hey, I was wondering if we can get some people to bring some Linux DVDs to give away at the meeting this week. Hopefully we can get some DVDs of the latest releases of Debian, Fedora, openSUSE, Ubuntu, etc. Anyone have access to some official DVDs of the above distros? -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From sllug at vpxp.com Mon Nov 16 16:06:55 2009 From: sllug at vpxp.com (Chris Brown) Date: Mon Nov 16 16:07:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Anyone have some latest-version Linux DVDs to bring to the meeting this week? In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124E56@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <4B01CB07.9060404@sllug.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124E56@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <4B01DB0F.8040501@vpxp.com> fwiw: Fedora 12 releases tomorrow Chris On 11/16/2009 3:19 PM, mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: > Mint! Bring some Mint! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Christensen > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:59 PM > To: SLLUG Members > Subject: [sllug-members]: Anyone have some latest-version Linux DVDs to bring to the meeting this week? > > Hey, I was wondering if we can get some people to bring some Linux DVDs > to give away at the meeting this week. > > Hopefully we can get some DVDs of the latest releases of Debian, Fedora, > openSUSE, Ubuntu, etc. > > Anyone have access to some official DVDs of the above distros? > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.sllug.org > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 14:19 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > lol, well, I don't actually own an android phone, so I couldn't tell > you how to actually sync it (not yet anyway). > > However, I could teach you how to simulate it, how to set up a basic > development environment, and how to make a basic hello world app, I > can even do it this Wed. if you wanted me to. > > ~Leif -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 16:21:29 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Mon Nov 16 16:21:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <1258413436.13392.11.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258413436.13392.11.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: Okay, lol, well, it seams like this Wednesday's meeting is for people that are new to linux, so you need not worry. As for syncing, if you have your IDE set up right, it does it automagically, although I probably will have learned how it does it by next month though... ~Leif On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > Well I personally DON'T want you to do it Wed, unless its taped, cause > I'm gonna be in Chicago. :) But if we have access after the fact, that > would be great. > > Wouldn't the sync be the same whether in emulation or in hardware? > > On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 14:19 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > > lol, well, I don't actually own an android phone, so I couldn't tell > > you how to actually sync it (not yet anyway). > > > > However, I could teach you how to simulate it, how to set up a basic > > development environment, and how to make a basic hello world app, I > > can even do it this Wed. if you wanted me to. > > > > ~Leif > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091116/3c5ea033/attachment.htm From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Nov 16 17:04:09 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:04:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258413436.13392.11.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <1258416249.13392.40.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 16:21 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > Okay, lol, well, it seams like this Wednesday's meeting is for people > that are new to linux, so you need not worry. Yeah, I am way OLD to linux. :) > As for syncing, if you have your IDE set up right, it does it > automagically, although I probably will have learned how it does it by > next month though... > ~Leif Rather than set up a developer-specific sync process in the IDE (which most users won't have), wouldn't you WANT to use the same sync tool your users use? Just in terms of 1) not reinventing the wheel, and 2) "eating/drinking your own dog food/koolaid"? BTW thanks for the terminal emulator. Now if I could just find the "/" key. There's always something... As an aside, I'm new to Android from the old palm platform, so maybe I'm missing something, like why so many simple apps on Android seem to be ad-driven and/or feeware, or require access to things (like my personal info) they have no business with. I feel like my trusty penguin has been co-opted by the Dark Side of the Force to the "Minority Report" world. What happened to "do no evil"? -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From csum77 at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:16:32 2009 From: csum77 at gmail.com (csum77@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:16:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> Message-ID: Sorry to revive this thread, but I'm looking for a Google Voice invite. Anyone have one they could spare? Thanks! On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > i'd like an invite, but since so many people said they have some, i am > herby refusing to email each person one at a time :P, and simply > requesting: > i'd like one... > > On 11/11/09, Chris Brown wrote: > > I have 17 invites left as well. > > > > Likewise, email me off-list. > > > > Chris Brown > > > > On 11/11/2009 5:04 PM, James Noble wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Mat Murdock > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I've got 30 invites, so if anyone wants one let me know off list. > >>> > >>> Mat Murdock > >>> > >>> Jarom Hatch wrote: > >>>> Due to high demand I am now out of stock. That went fast... :) > >>>> > >>>> Jarom Hatch wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I've just been given some Google Wave invites. I gave a few out but > >>>>> don't have anyone else to give them to. I have 6 left. If anyone on > >>>>> the list would like one please email me off list and I'll hand them > out > >>>>> until they are gone. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jarom > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >>>>> Seehttp://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >>>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members onirc.FreeNode.net > >>>>> channel #Utah > >>>>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ > >>>> Seehttp://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members onirc.FreeNode.net > >>>> channel #Utah > >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and > >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , > >>> and is > >>> believed to be clean. > >>> ______________________________________________________________________ > >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > >>> channel #Utah > >>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091116/a5c30a74/attachment.html From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:23:33 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:23:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> Google Voice doesn't work by invites person to person. You just go to http://voice.google.com, and request an invite. Are you talking about Google Wave? On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM, csum77@gmail.com wrote: > Sorry to revive this thread, but I'm looking for a Google Voice invite. > Anyone have one they could spare? > Thanks! > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Christian Horne > wrote: >> >> i'd like an invite, but since so many people said they have some, i am >> herby refusing to email each ?person one at a time :P, and simply >> requesting: >> i'd like one... >> >> On 11/11/09, Chris Brown wrote: >> > I have 17 invites left as well. >> > >> > Likewise, email me off-list. >> > >> > Chris Brown >> > >> > On 11/11/2009 5:04 PM, James Noble wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Mat Murdock >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I've got 30 invites, so if anyone wants one let me know off list. >> >>> >> >>> Mat Murdock >> >>> >> >>> Jarom Hatch wrote: >> >>>> Due to high demand I am now out of stock. ?That went fast... :) >> >>>> >> >>>> Jarom Hatch wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> I've just been given some Google Wave invites. ?I gave a few out but >> >>>>> don't have anyone else to give them to. ?I have 6 left. ?If anyone >> >>>>> on >> >>>>> the list would like one please email me off list and I'll hand them >> >>>>> out >> >>>>> until they are gone. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Jarom >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >>>>> Seehttp://www.sllug.org/ ?for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> >>>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members onirc.FreeNode.net >> >>>>> ?channel #Utah >> >>>>> sllug-members@sllug.org ? >> >>>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >>>> Seehttp://www.sllug.org/ ?for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members onirc.FreeNode.net >> >>>> ?channel #Utah >> >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org ? >> >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >> >>> and is >> >>> believed to be clean. >> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> >>> channel #Utah >> >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >> >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From csum77 at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:27:06 2009 From: csum77 at gmail.com (csum77@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:27:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff < justinbrinkerhoff@gmail.com> wrote: > Google Voice doesn't work by invites person to person. You just go to > http://voice.google.com, and request an invite. > > Are you talking about Google Wave? > > Nope...I was looking for a voice invite. I thought they had invites not too long ago...perhaps I'm "misremembering"... Thanks for the tip...I'll jump over there and request one. -Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091116/b78e25f5/attachment.htm From matthew at azza.com Mon Nov 16 17:30:44 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:30:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B01EEB4.9030305@azza.com> Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Google Voice doesn't work by invites person to person. You just go to > http://voice.google.com, and request an invite. > > Are you talking about Google Wave? That's not entirely accurate. On my Google Voice account, underneath the calling credit, there is an "Invite a friend" link with the number of invites remaining. Not everyone has invites to give, but there are some out there. From csum77 at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:35:30 2009 From: csum77 at gmail.com (csum77@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:35:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <4B01EEB4.9030305@azza.com> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> <4B01EEB4.9030305@azza.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Matthew Hatch wrote: > Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > >> Google Voice doesn't work by invites person to person. You just go to >> http://voice.google.com, and request an invite. >> >> Are you talking about Google Wave? >> > > That's not entirely accurate. On my Google Voice account, underneath the > calling credit, there is an "Invite a friend" link with the number of > invites remaining. Not everyone has invites to give, but there are some out > there. > > Well, if anyone has one they'd be willing to spare I'd appreciate it. Thanks! -Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091116/8811d580/attachment.html From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:41:45 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:41:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911161641o12e1f0edmc9c36e4d97bc4056@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I could've sworn they did too. So either both of us are smoking crack, or they took away to the ability to invite others... :P On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, csum77@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff > wrote: >> >> Google Voice doesn't work by invites person to person. You just go to >> http://voice.google.com, and request an invite. >> >> Are you talking about Google Wave? >> > > Nope...I was looking for a voice invite. I thought they had invites not too > long ago...perhaps I'm "misremembering"... > Thanks for the tip...I'll jump over there and request one. > -Charlie > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:44:05 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:44:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <4B01EEB4.9030305@azza.com> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> <4B01EEB4.9030305@azza.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911161644o2fa0b40bwe8d959060d4b4f26@mail.gmail.com> Weird. I am fairly positive there was on mine too right there, but now all I have is Add Credit | Rates | History... On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Matthew Hatch wrote: > Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> >> Google Voice doesn't work by invites person to person. You just go to >> http://voice.google.com, and request an invite. >> >> Are you talking about Google Wave? > > That's not entirely accurate. ?On my Google Voice account, underneath the > calling credit, there is an "Invite a friend" link with the number of > invites remaining. ?Not everyone has invites to give, but there are some out > there. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From chadabryant at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:59:19 2009 From: chadabryant at gmail.com (Chad Bryant) Date: Mon Nov 16 17:59:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Wave In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0911161644o2fa0b40bwe8d959060d4b4f26@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AFB2C97.8040303@azza.com> <4AFB378E.2030407@azza.com> <4AFB3962.7060908@kimballequipment.com> <66E01031-6933-42FE-81AE-FABAA0C6F44E@gmail.com> <4AFB52EC.7070806@vpxp.com> <2f932a4a0911161623x6e7d9de0v8971a11655720804@mail.gmail.com> <4B01EEB4.9030305@azza.com> <2f932a4a0911161644o2fa0b40bwe8d959060d4b4f26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e0143a80911161659s609cc003q2bacc5f9fe8e0853@mail.gmail.com> A fair number of Google Voice users were given three invites about a month ago. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Weird. I am fairly positive there was on mine too right there, but now > all I have is Add Credit | Rates | History... > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Matthew Hatch wrote: >> Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >>> >>> Google Voice doesn't work by invites person to person. You just go to >>> http://voice.google.com, and request an invite. >>> >>> Are you talking about Google Wave? >> >> That's not entirely accurate. ?On my Google Voice account, underneath the >> calling credit, there is an "Invite a friend" link with the number of >> invites remaining. ?Not everyone has invites to give, but there are some out >> there. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Chad Bryant chadabryant@gmail.com 801.448.6155 http://www.chadbryant.net/ http://lowrentlinux.blogspot.com/ From zspecialk at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 18:25:13 2009 From: zspecialk at gmail.com (Scott K) Date: Mon Nov 16 18:25:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Microsoft patents "Sudo" In-Reply-To: <4AFC3EA5.5050309@mail1.ttak.org> References: <7f2da9a80911111919v6ad1678ax336474c24e0ee23e@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0911111939h56c22488s7cbae497a305998a@mail.gmail.com> <20091112161846.GA25679@gnu.prunk.si> <4AFC3EA5.5050309@mail1.ttak.org> Message-ID: <90cf3c3d0911161725l22f6cfcx2e01e04f79f8a00f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/12/2009 9:18 AM, Erik Falor wrote: > >> Also, has anyone told these patent trolls that run-on sentences are >> very difficult to read? While we're at it, we should really send them >> a style guide for writers. They clearly weren't in class the day the >> teacher taught the lesson about semi-colons not being a substitute for >> periods. >> >> > > Standard "legalese"... > > One sentence is apparently required by US code and international patent law http://elman.com/2009/09/should-a-patent-claim-be-longer-than-a-single-sentence/ Note this guy reports on attempting to make this simpler. Patent reviewers are supposed to push for clearer precise language while lawyers/trolls push for broad coverage of anything remotely related to parts of the claims. The one credit IP law class I took the semester I graduated should practically be required for people studying many science and engineering fields. Of course ignorance is also a defense against larger damages in some of these cases. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It may just be that I am still in the "ohh shiny" phase, but I really like the way google has development set up. I would like Apple's API's better (in objective-c), but they are far too draconian for my tastes, not to mention I don't own a mac, and have no plans on getting one). If you want, you can get an emulator at http://developer.android.com. Although, you can't just 'download' it, you need to download it, and then download the build, and then you can use it. Or, as I said, I would be willing to talk about how to set it up during some month when not much is going on. :) ~Leif On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 16:21 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > > Okay, lol, well, it seams like this Wednesday's meeting is for people > > that are new to linux, so you need not worry. > Yeah, I am way OLD to linux. :) > > > As for syncing, if you have your IDE set up right, it does it > > automagically, although I probably will have learned how it does it by > > next month though... > > ~Leif > > Rather than set up a developer-specific sync process in the IDE (which > most users won't have), wouldn't you WANT to use the same sync tool your > users use? Just in terms of 1) not reinventing the wheel, and 2) > "eating/drinking your own dog food/koolaid"? > > BTW thanks for the terminal emulator. Now if I could just find the "/" > key. There's always something... > > As an aside, I'm new to Android from the old palm platform, so maybe I'm > missing something, like why so many simple apps on Android seem to be > ad-driven and/or feeware, or require access to things (like my personal > info) they have no business with. I feel like my trusty penguin has > been co-opted by the Dark Side of the Force to the "Minority Report" > world. What happened to "do no evil"? > > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091116/b9f0abc9/attachment.html From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 07:54:02 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 07:54:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258413436.13392.11.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258416249.13392.40.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Just downloading the SDK myself. I think I understand the source of the confusion. Android automagically syncs with *Google*. The SDK seems to do this, and of course so does the actual device (Motorola Droid in my case). The device is great at grabbing stuff from the net over Wifi or 3G, but I have yet to make it appear on my Ubuntu 9.10 desktop. That is one missing link I am looking for, the other is syncing with Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, Evolution, and/or other tools on the Ubuntu desktop. I have a lot of data I collected from my Palm Centro (and Treo before that): Contacts, Calendar, ToDo, Memos, ebooks, music, databases, etc. Palm desktop grabbed it all (or most of it) off the Palm, but only Contacts converted easily to Google (via vCard), and even then, anything listed only by "Company Name" (without a contact name) all got lumped together under "Unknown name" with about 50 miscellaneous bits of info under it. So I'll have a fair amount of editing to do to make sense of those. With Palm, I could see the device on the desktop, and transfer files (treating the SD card on the device as a mounted FS). I could also install stuff to the device using jPilot et al. The hotsync function worked directly Linux<-->Palm and the channels could be customized in several ways. These are what I cannot do (yet) with the Droid. But since it runs Linux under the hood, I am hopeful. The terminal emulator is great, but it only gives a local user prompt, so I'm still hoping to find sshd, sudo, and similar tools. Still need to get the ebooks and music transferred over somehow. On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 19:11 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > Actually, the automagic syncing is actually part of what google has > you do when you first set up the IDE. And yes, i will eventually sync > up to it using the normal tools. But I don't think you've quite > grasped how new I am to this yet. I downloaded the SDK this weekend, > and have been reading the documentation furiously. It may just be > that I am still in the "ohh shiny" phase, but I really like the way > google has development set up. I would like Apple's API's better (in > objective-c), but they are far too draconian for my tastes, not to > mention I don't own a mac, and have no plans on getting one). If you > want, you can get an emulator at http://developer.android.com. > Although, you can't just 'download' it, you need to download it, and > then download the build, and then you can use it. Or, as I said, I > would be willing to talk about how to set it up during some month when > not much is going on. :) > > ~Leif -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From kerryjcox at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 08:36:21 2009 From: kerryjcox at gmail.com (Kerry Cox) Date: Tue Nov 17 08:36:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258413436.13392.11.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258416249.13392.40.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: I actually would not mind giving a talk. I recently gave a presentation to the ISSA Utah chapter called "Anatomy of an Attack". About a year or two ago at my former place of employment, I discovered a security breach within our Linux servers. The next 6 weeks were very interesting as we broke down the entire structure of our network, Linux servers, and any and all failed security implementations. Yes, it would be very security-centric but with a strong emphasis on Linux. If you are hard pressed for someone to present, I'd be happy to, but would gladly yield the floor to anyone else with a better topic. Contact me if this sounds at all interesting. KJ --- Kerry J. Cox, Ph.D. CIO, Mountain Medical work: 801.284.1732 cell: 801.554.7706 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091117/eb98cd99/attachment.htm From jbowen73 at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 09:16:29 2009 From: jbowen73 at gmail.com (Jeremy Bowen) Date: Tue Nov 17 09:16:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Grub help... I'm about to use a .45 to really boot the system. Message-ID: <4B02CC5D.5070803@gmail.com> I have recently installed Ubuntu. I'm not new to Linux nor am I new to Ubuntu... yet Grub is about to make me go postal! Ubuntu is new to my system. Here is the problem: I have three drives I'll call them this for explanation purposes. SATA 1 SATA 2 IDE 1 SATA 1 and SATA 2 are identical 80 GB drives, SATA 1 contains Windows, SATA 2 contains UBUNTU. IDE 1 is a 40 GB drive and contains an NTFS "Non-bootable partition." After loading UBUNTU, I get an error message load stage 1.5 error 17... I have reversed the boot order within the BIOS, now I get an error 22. Switch it back and I get error 17. Switch it to boot the IDE 1 and I get a NTLDR error... as expected. I've read just about every Ubuntu forum explaining that in order to reload all I have to do is boot from the live CD and get to a terminal and type in the grub command. $ sudo grub grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 Which returns hd1,0 then I type grub> root (hd1,0) grub> setup (hd1,0) This successfully installs. However, after a reboot I get the same error messages as explained above. I can't seem to find any definitive explanation for errors thrown by grub. I have browsed through the manual and I can't seem to find a section on errors and their explanation. Does anyone have any suggestions? Just to give you some more information: I have not deleted any partitions since the UBUNTU installation. I have determined that /boot is located on /dev/sdb1 within the Linux FS. I have tried to play around with the menu.lst and the device.map files but to no avail so I restored them to their original state. Advice from here? From ewfalor at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 09:29:25 2009 From: ewfalor at gmail.com (Erik Falor) Date: Tue Nov 17 09:29:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Grub help... I'm about to use a .45 to really boot the system. In-Reply-To: <4B02CC5D.5070803@gmail.com> References: <4B02CC5D.5070803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091117162924.GJ25679@gnu.prunk.si> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:16:29AM -0700, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Just to give you some more information: > > I have not deleted any partitions since the UBUNTU installation. > I have determined that /boot is located on /dev/sdb1 within the Linux FS. > I have tried to play around with the menu.lst and the device.map > files but to no avail so I restored them to their original state. > > Advice from here? Does `sudo fdisk -l` report that /dev/sdb1 is a bootable partition? -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091117/3921b27c/attachment-0001.pgp From byron at theclarkfamily.name Tue Nov 17 09:34:22 2009 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Tue Nov 17 09:34:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Grub help... I'm about to use a .45 to really boot the system. In-Reply-To: <4B02CC5D.5070803@gmail.com> References: <4B02CC5D.5070803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091117163422.GA30229@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:16:29AM -0700, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions? It sounds like you have grub installed in the MBR on SATA 1 from a previous linux install. Your best bet is to install grub from the new distribution to the same place. From the grub prompt you would run: grub> root (hd1,0) grub> setup (hd0) Note that these steps will blow away any previous bootloader in the MBR on SATA 1, so be sure this is what you want to do. As usual, gentoo has a good explanation for a grub install: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10#grub -- Byron Clark From jbowen73 at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 09:39:42 2009 From: jbowen73 at gmail.com (Jeremy Bowen) Date: Tue Nov 17 09:39:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Grub help... I'm about to use a .45 to really boot the system. In-Reply-To: <20091117162924.GJ25679@gnu.prunk.si> References: <4B02CC5D.5070803@gmail.com> <20091117162924.GJ25679@gnu.prunk.si> Message-ID: <4B02D1CE.4060903@gmail.com> If the asterisks indicates bootable then the answer is no. Erik Falor wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:16:29AM -0700, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > >> Does anyone have any suggestions? >> >> Just to give you some more information: >> >> I have not deleted any partitions since the UBUNTU installation. >> I have determined that /boot is located on /dev/sdb1 within the Linux FS. >> I have tried to play around with the menu.lst and the device.map >> files but to no avail so I restored them to their original state. >> >> Advice from here? >> > > Does `sudo fdisk -l` report that /dev/sdb1 is a bootable partition? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091117/094a9ccd/attachment.html From marc at sllug.org Tue Nov 17 12:11:13 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Nov 17 12:31:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Bring DVD and/or CD blanks if you want a copy of Linux on Wednesday Message-ID: <4B02F551.1000104@sllug.org> I will be bringing the SLLUG computer with a DVD burner (maybe two). Fedora and openSUSE just released their latest versions and official DVDs are not out yet. So, we're going to burn some for those who want them. I will be bringing the following images: CentOS-5.4-i386 DVD CentOS-5.4-x86_64 DVD Fedora-12-i386 DVD Fedora-12-x86_64 DVD LinuxMint-7 CD openSUSE-11.2-i586 DVD openSUSE-11.2-x86_64 DVD ubuntu-9.10-amd64 DVD ubuntu-9.10-i386 DVD Please bring some single-layer DVD and/or CD blanks if you'd like to have a copy of one of these distros to take home. Each burn will take between 4 - 8 minutes. I hope to have two burners going depending on demand. If you'd like to download and burn your own, go to these sites: http://www.centos.org/ http://fedoraproject.org/ http://www.linuxmint.com/ http://www.opensuse.org http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 13:38:35 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Tue Nov 17 14:06:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Bring DVD and/or CD blanks if you want a copy of Linux on Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4B02F551.1000104@sllug.org> References: <4B02F551.1000104@sllug.org> Message-ID: Although I can't make any SLLUG 'official' discs, I can download a few of those distros onto my laptop and burn it with that if it will help ease the congestion. ~Leif On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Marc Christensen wrote: > I will be bringing the SLLUG computer with a DVD burner (maybe two). > Fedora and openSUSE just released their latest versions and official > DVDs are not out yet. So, we're going to burn some for those who want > them. > > I will be bringing the following images: > > CentOS-5.4-i386 DVD > CentOS-5.4-x86_64 DVD > Fedora-12-i386 DVD > Fedora-12-x86_64 DVD > LinuxMint-7 CD > openSUSE-11.2-i586 DVD > openSUSE-11.2-x86_64 DVD > ubuntu-9.10-amd64 DVD > ubuntu-9.10-i386 DVD > > Please bring some single-layer DVD and/or CD blanks if you'd like to > have a copy of one of these distros to take home. Each burn will take > between 4 - 8 minutes. 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091117/062c58d9/attachment.htm From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 14:40:12 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Nov 17 14:40:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Bring DVD and/or CD blanks if you want a copy of Linux on Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <4B02F551.1000104@sllug.org> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911171340r5a3edc6eg688b63c586c2b7a3@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Core is already up to 12? Wow... Last time I looked it was still 9. Guess you get behind when you primarily use Ubuntu 80% of the time... :P On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Leif Andersen wrote: > Although I can't make any SLLUG 'official' discs, I can download a few of > those distros onto my laptop and burn it with that if it will help ease the > congestion. > > ~Leif > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Marc Christensen wrote: >> >> I will be bringing the SLLUG computer with a DVD burner (maybe two). >> Fedora and openSUSE just released their latest versions and official >> DVDs are not out yet. ?So, we're going to burn some for those who want >> them. >> >> I will be bringing the following images: >> >> ? CentOS-5.4-i386 ? ? ? DVD >> ? CentOS-5.4-x86_64 ? ? DVD >> ? Fedora-12-i386 ? ? ? ?DVD >> ? Fedora-12-x86_64 ? ? ?DVD >> ? LinuxMint-7 ? ? ? ? ? CD >> ? openSUSE-11.2-i586 ? ?DVD >> ? openSUSE-11.2-x86_64 ?DVD >> ? ubuntu-9.10-amd64 ? ? DVD >> ? ubuntu-9.10-i386 ? ? ?DVD >> >> Please bring some single-layer DVD and/or CD blanks if you'd like to >> have a copy of one of these distros to take home. ?Each burn will take >> between 4 - 8 minutes. ?I hope to have two burners going depending on >> demand. >> >> If you'd like to download and burn your own, go to these sites: >> >> http://www.centos.org/ >> http://fedoraproject.org/ >> http://www.linuxmint.com/ >> http://www.opensuse.org >> http://www.ubuntu.com/ >> >> -- >> Marc Christensen >> http://www.sllug.org >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From richard-lists at esplins.org Tue Nov 17 16:28:55 2009 From: richard-lists at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Tue Nov 17 16:29:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> Using Android devices as USB file storage is trivial--just tell the device that it is allowed. Moving music, photos, movies, and other files on and off the device is drag and drop in the file browser of your choice. The music player, gallery, OI editor, etc recognize the files with no user intervention. Using Nandroid backup and Backup for Root Users makes it easy to backup your device settings and move them off of the SD card. Email is really easy using Gmail as a cloud server and connecting everything over IMAP. There are no clean tools that I know of for interacting directly with email on Android with out Gmail. The database doesn't look obfuscated, and the code is available, but it hasn't been a priority for me to look into it. Unfortunately, syncing contacts and calendar directly with Linux is a poor hack at the moment. Both have to be done through Gmail/Gtalk, and there is no IMAP or LDAP support (though both have been rumored). Jabber clients can apparently access the Contacts. Google offers a vcal feed that can give you read-only access to the calendar. There is also a documented API to the calendar. Here are some links I have explored: http://www.funambol.com/ -- appears to work well from the device to your computer, but requires yet another cloud account. http://gcaldaemon.sourceforge.net/ -- appears to work for lots of people, but didn't work for me. http://www.opensync.org/ -- has a Google plugin, sort-of. After looking into it, I decided that my efforts should go into getting the opensync Google plugin working. However, my aspirations haven't yet turned into a code contribution. It doesn't look too bad though (contacts through XMPP, Calendar through the public API). I gave up early last summer; things could be different now. If you figure out how to get this working, please post about it. Richard Esplin On Tue 17 November 2009 07:54:02 Matt Warnock wrote: > Just downloading the SDK myself. I think I understand the source of the > confusion. Android automagically syncs with *Google*. The SDK seems to > do this, and of course so does the actual device (Motorola Droid in my > case). The device is great at grabbing stuff from the net over Wifi or > 3G, but I have yet to make it appear on my Ubuntu 9.10 desktop. That > is one missing link I am looking for, the other is syncing with Firefox, > Thunderbird, Sunbird, Evolution, and/or other tools on the Ubuntu > desktop. > > I have a lot of data I collected from my Palm Centro (and Treo before > that): Contacts, Calendar, ToDo, Memos, ebooks, music, databases, etc. > Palm desktop grabbed it all (or most of it) off the Palm, but only > Contacts converted easily to Google (via vCard), and even then, anything > listed only by "Company Name" (without a contact name) all got lumped > together under "Unknown name" with about 50 miscellaneous bits of info > under it. So I'll have a fair amount of editing to do to make sense of > those. From marc at sllug.org Tue Nov 17 17:06:58 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Nov 17 17:07:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Bring DVD and/or CD blanks if you want a copy of Linux on Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <4B02F551.1000104@sllug.org> Message-ID: <4B033AA2.3070502@sllug.org> Leif Andersen wrote: > Although I can't make any SLLUG 'official' discs, I can download a few > of those distros onto my laptop and burn it with that if it will help > ease the congestion. Thanks Leif! That will help a lot. I'll have the images on a USB drive if you want to transfer them at the meeting and then burn them from your laptop after that. Or you can download them - either way. Thanks! -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 17:23:40 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Nov 17 17:23:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Bring DVD and/or CD blanks if you want a copy of Linux on Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4B033AA2.3070502@sllug.org> References: <4B02F551.1000104@sllug.org> <4B033AA2.3070502@sllug.org> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911171623l6b4f3f4fsd74b50207bb17c2b@mail.gmail.com> When is the meeting again? Wednesday afternoon if I remember right? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Marc Christensen wrote: > Leif Andersen wrote: >> Although I can't make any SLLUG 'official' discs, I can download a few >> of those distros onto my laptop and burn it with that if it will help >> ease the congestion. > > Thanks Leif! ?That will help a lot. ?I'll have the images on a USB drive > ?if you want to transfer them at the meeting and then burn them from > your laptop after that. ?Or you can download them - either way. > > Thanks! > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.sllug.org > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From marc at sllug.org Tue Nov 17 17:51:48 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Nov 17 17:51:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Bring DVD and/or CD blanks if you want a copy of Linux on Wednesday In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0911171623l6b4f3f4fsd74b50207bb17c2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B02F551.1000104@sllug.org> <4B033AA2.3070502@sllug.org> <2f932a4a0911171623l6b4f3f4fsd74b50207bb17c2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B034524.4080704@sllug.org> Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > When is the meeting again? Wednesday afternoon if I remember right? > It's wednesday evening at 7:10pm. Here are the details: http://sllug.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=130 -- Marc Christensen From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 19:33:01 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Nov 17 19:33:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... Message-ID: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> I'm curious. I've been able to install other distro's across the internet. I'm wondering if there is a way to do the same thing with Ubuntu? Any flavor that is. I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further with installing any OS. Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about $135 (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). So I'm thinking if I can keep it around as it's still a decent laptop for the kids. Maybe I can install Linux and keep it for a couple more years. After all, the kids don't need anything fancy for their book reports. This would be perfect. And when it really dies we can replace it with a linux notebook or something. I'm wondering if there is something in Grub that I can tell it to pull the OS from a repository. Anyway, it's a thought :-) Thanks! From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 19:40:29 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Tue Nov 17 19:40:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > I'm curious. I've been able to install other distro's across the internet. > I'm wondering if there is a way to do the same thing with Ubuntu? Any > flavor that is. > > I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. > After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further with > installing any OS. Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about $135 > (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). > > So I'm thinking if I can keep it around as it's still a decent laptop for > the kids. Maybe I can install Linux and keep it for a couple more years. > After all, the kids don't need anything fancy for their book reports. This > would be perfect. And when it really dies we can replace it with a linux > notebook or something. > > I'm wondering if there is something in Grub that I can tell it to pull the > OS from a repository. > > Anyway, it's a thought :-) > > Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > This doesn't answer your question but I would highly recommend an external USB DVD. Cheers, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091117/08ba3d79/attachment.html From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 19:40:33 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Tue Nov 17 19:40:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, there's an 'install to USB disk' feature in ubuntu, perhaps you could put ubuntu on some external hdd, and move it from there, rather than installing it via cd. Or perhaps you could barrow someone's external cd drive, and use that. ~Leif On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > I'm curious. I've been able to install other distro's across the internet. > I'm wondering if there is a way to do the same thing with Ubuntu? Any > flavor that is. > > I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. > After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further with > installing any OS. Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about $135 > (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). > > So I'm thinking if I can keep it around as it's still a decent laptop for > the kids. Maybe I can install Linux and keep it for a couple more years. > After all, the kids don't need anything fancy for their book reports. This > would be perfect. And when it really dies we can replace it with a linux > notebook or something. > > I'm wondering if there is something in Grub that I can tell it to pull the > OS from a repository. > > Anyway, it's a thought :-) > > Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091117/1e338f7c/attachment.htm From chadabryant at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 19:50:27 2009 From: chadabryant at gmail.com (Chad Bryant) Date: Tue Nov 17 19:50:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e0143a80911171850seb9097brfa8581351d6850fb@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > I'm curious. ?I've been able to install other distro's across the internet. > ?I'm wondering if there is a way to do the same thing with Ubuntu? ?Any > flavor that is. What you want is the Ubuntu mini.iso. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD The x86 mini.iso for Ubuntu 9.10 is 12.1MB. Almost everything it installs will be downloaded from the repositories. You can also choose between the different desktop varieties of 9.10 (or no desktop at all). -- Chad Bryant chadabryant@gmail.com 801.448.6155 http://www.chadbryant.net/ http://lowrentlinux.blogspot.com/ From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Nov 17 19:56:46 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jfriend31@comcast.net) Date: Tue Nov 17 19:56:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <104962045.3562651258513006731.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> if your laptop is running windows you can use Wubi to install U. it downloads the installation directly to your hdd. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lewis" To: u235sentinel@gmail.com, "Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions" Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:40:29 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, u235sentinel < u235sentinel@gmail.com > wrote: I'm curious. ?I've been able to install other distro's across the internet. ?I'm wondering if there is a way to do the same thing with Ubuntu? ?Any flavor that is. I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. ?After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further with installing any OS. ?Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about $135 (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). So I'm thinking if I can keep it around as it's still a decent laptop for the kids. ?Maybe I can install Linux and keep it for a couple more years. ?After all, the kids don't need anything fancy for their book reports. ?This would be perfect. ?And when it really dies we can replace it with a linux notebook or something. I'm wondering if there is something in Grub that I can tell it to pull the OS from a repository. Anyway, it's a thought :-) Thanks! ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members This doesn't answer your question but I would highly recommend an external USB DVD.? Cheers, Bob ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091118/ef9951b0/attachment.html From nemus at grayhatlabs.com Tue Nov 17 20:15:03 2009 From: nemus at grayhatlabs.com (nemus@grayhatlabs.com) Date: Tue Nov 17 20:12:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <104962045.3562651258513006731.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mai l.comcast.net> References: <104962045.3562651258513006731.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6f9ca509a836617b86de8b89f240f3e1.squirrel@zim> I found this its fairly involved and would require you to setup your desktop as a bootp server,but the plus side is you can dish out ubunutu linux like there is no tomorrow. Hope that helps. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet > > > if your laptop is running windows you can use Wubi to install U. it > downloads the installation directly to your hdd. > > > > jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Lewis" > To: u235sentinel@gmail.com, "Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:40:29 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, u235sentinel < u235sentinel@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > I'm curious. ??I've been able to install other distro's across the > internet. ??I'm wondering if there is a way to do the same thing with > Ubuntu? ??Any flavor that is. > > I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. > ??After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further > with installing any OS. ??Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about > $135 (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). > > So I'm thinking if I can keep it around as it's still a decent laptop for > the kids. ??Maybe I can install Linux and keep it for a couple more years. > ??After all, the kids don't need anything fancy for their book reports. > ??This would be perfect. ??And when it really dies we can replace it with > a linux notebook or something. > > I'm wondering if there is something in Grub that I can tell it to pull the > OS from a repository. > > Anyway, it's a thought :-) > > Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > This doesn't answer your question but I would highly recommend an external > USB DVD.?? > > Cheers, > Bob > > ______________________________________________________________________ See > http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join > SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From chadabryant at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 20:20:00 2009 From: chadabryant at gmail.com (Chad Bryant) Date: Tue Nov 17 20:20:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Xubuntu 9.10 Message-ID: <3e0143a80911171920v37b5882er3e6765864360803@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone else out there found that the current Xubuntu is quite a bit better than Ubuntu? This time around, Xubuntu is a lot less bloated, and still does everything I want an OS to do. -- Chad Bryant chadabryant@gmail.com 801.448.6155 http://www.chadbryant.net/ http://lowrentlinux.blogspot.com/ From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 20:31:23 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Nov 17 20:31:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <3e0143a80911171850seb9097brfa8581351d6850fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <3e0143a80911171850seb9097brfa8581351d6850fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0911171931j4873aad2k94ebe0cae149b29d@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, isn't that like the Net Install of Debian? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM, u235sentinel wrote: >> I'm curious. ?I've been able to install other distro's across the internet. >> ?I'm wondering if there is a way to do the same thing with Ubuntu? ?Any >> flavor that is. > > What you want is the Ubuntu mini.iso. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD > > The x86 mini.iso for Ubuntu 9.10 is 12.1MB. Almost everything it > installs will be downloaded from the repositories. You can also choose > between the different desktop varieties of 9.10 (or no desktop at > all). > > -- > Chad Bryant > chadabryant@gmail.com > 801.448.6155 > http://www.chadbryant.net/ > http://lowrentlinux.blogspot.com/ > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 20:48:19 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 20:48:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1258516099.2438.78.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> As Perl mongers love to say, "There's More Than One Way To Do It." Several options, depending on what your BIOS supports, in decreasing order of ease (mostly dependent on age/state of the laptop): 1) Write a CD using mini.iso, boot from that, and hope the DVD drive will read enough to make it boot OK. Given the really small size of this ISO, seems likely. 2) Boot from a USB thumb drive using any Ubuntu CD image and the System -> Administration -> USB Startup Disk Creator menu option on any running Ubuntu system. 3) Borrow an external USB CD drive from someone just long enough to boot the CD and install Ubuntu to hard drive. 4) Net boot using ethernet boot ROMS, loading a ramdisk boot image over the net. I have no experience with this myself, but others will. I do know it can be done. 5) Floppy boot may still possibly be an option, if your laptop has one. 6) Use Grub4dos or another bootloader to chainload and boot from an ISO file downloaded to the windows disk. 7) Use windows to download another version of Linux, or even Cygwin, use that to resize & repartition, mount a working Ubuntu root partition with NFS, copy it to a spare partition and tweak it until it can boot with a network card running. 8) Pull the hard disk, put it in another machine (or USB external microdrive, I've done that too) and install Linux there, then plug it back into the original machine. Keep the install as vanilla as possible, so non-standard drivers don't hang the boot process. I'm sure I've missed a few. But I'm sure you can get it done. One nice thing about Ubuntu is that once its up and running, it tends to self-heal a bit, at least better (IMO) than most distros. I've never really needed to reinstall-- just update/upgrade in place. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 19:33 -0700, u235sentinel wrote: > I'm curious. I've been able to install other distro's across the > internet. I'm wondering if there is a way to do the same thing with > Ubuntu? Any flavor that is. > > I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. > After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further > with installing any OS. Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about > $135 (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). > > So I'm thinking if I can keep it around as it's still a decent laptop > for the kids. Maybe I can install Linux and keep it for a couple more > years. After all, the kids don't need anything fancy for their book > reports. This would be perfect. And when it really dies we can replace > it with a linux notebook or something. > > I'm wondering if there is something in Grub that I can tell it to pull > the OS from a repository. > > Anyway, it's a thought :-) > > Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From chadabryant at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 20:55:26 2009 From: chadabryant at gmail.com (Chad Bryant) Date: Tue Nov 17 20:55:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <1258516099.2438.78.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <1258516099.2438.78.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <3e0143a80911171955g9ec8847m609330833efa387e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Matt Warnock wrote: > 5) Floppy boot may still possibly be an option, if your laptop has one. I believe Debian broke floppy install several years ago. -- Chad Bryant chadabryant@gmail.com 801.448.6155 http://www.chadbryant.net/ http://lowrentlinux.blogspot.com/ From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 22:20:21 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Tue Nov 17 22:20:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <3e0143a80911171955g9ec8847m609330833efa387e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <1258516099.2438.78.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <3e0143a80911171955g9ec8847m609330833efa387e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e84de770911172120r64170805s1217a81501141e30@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: > > I believe Debian broke floppy install several years ago. > Didn't Linux break it? I thought that the minimum sane kernel on 2.6 was now too big to fit on a floppy. Even 2.4 was a squeeze, and I think that most of the remaining linux-on-a-floppy-disk distros either use multiple disks or the 2.2 kernel series. I think the moral of the story is that a floppy disk install is now for those who feel either masochistic, nostalgic, or bored with their otherwise intuitive and seamless linux install. I once installed some ancient version of Slackware using a set of around 30 floppy disks, and do not recommend the experience. :) -- Michael Heath From chadabryant at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 22:34:21 2009 From: chadabryant at gmail.com (Chad Bryant) Date: Tue Nov 17 22:34:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <2e84de770911172120r64170805s1217a81501141e30@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <1258516099.2438.78.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <3e0143a80911171955g9ec8847m609330833efa387e@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770911172120r64170805s1217a81501141e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e0143a80911172134h7d8661deo29c1ccb558c9ed17@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Michael Heath wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: >> >> I believe Debian broke floppy install several years ago. >> > > Didn't Linux break it? I thought that the minimum sane kernel on 2.6 > was now too big to fit on a floppy. Even 2.4 was a squeeze, and I > think that most of the remaining linux-on-a-floppy-disk distros either > use multiple disks or the 2.2 kernel series. > > I think the moral of the story is that a floppy disk install is now > for those who feel either masochistic, nostalgic, or bored with their > otherwise intuitive and seamless linux install. I once installed some > ancient version of Slackware using a set of around 30 floppy disks, > and do not recommend the experience. :) My first Linux install was circa 1999 with about two dozen floppies for whatever version of Slackware was available at the time. Let's just say I was a lot happier when I found a CD copy of Red Hat. :D -- Chad Bryant chadabryant@gmail.com 801.448.6155 http://www.chadbryant.net/ http://lowrentlinux.blogspot.com/ From kd7nyq at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 22:40:32 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Tue Nov 17 22:40:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, u235sentinel > wrote: >> >> I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. >> ?After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further with >> installing any OS. ?Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about $135 >> (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). > > This doesn't answer your question but I would highly recommend an external > USB DVD. > I've tried to find ways of getting a DVD/CD image onto a USB thumb drive and installing from that. Unfortunately, I was not successful. Has anyone else had luck with this method? The closest working solution I got was installing Damn Small Linux on thumb drive while traveling Peru. :) -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From chadabryant at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 22:44:25 2009 From: chadabryant at gmail.com (Chad Bryant) Date: Tue Nov 17 22:44:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, u235sentinel >> wrote: >>> >>> I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. >>> ?After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further with >>> installing any OS. ?Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about $135 >>> (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). >> >> This doesn't answer your question but I would highly recommend an external >> USB DVD. >> > > I've tried to find ways of getting a DVD/CD image onto a USB thumb > drive and installing from that. ?Unfortunately, I was not successful. > Has anyone else had luck with this method? I've done it with LiveCD and alt-install images. If you have a 1GB thumb drive and a computer running Ubuntu/Xubuntu already, it's a great way to go without having to burn a CD. -- Chad Bryant chadabryant@gmail.com 801.448.6155 http://www.chadbryant.net/ http://lowrentlinux.blogspot.com/ From kd7nyq at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 22:52:07 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Tue Nov 17 22:52:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: > I've done it with LiveCD and alt-install images. If you have a 1GB > thumb drive and a computer running Ubuntu/Xubuntu already, it's a > great way to go without having to burn a CD. > I think I would like to know more about this. Do you have a HOWTO/link for this procedure? -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From chadabryant at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 22:59:08 2009 From: chadabryant at gmail.com (Chad Bryant) Date: Tue Nov 17 22:59:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e0143a80911172159v6a998fadtae58bacc2d0f90de@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: >> I've done it with LiveCD and alt-install images. If you have a 1GB >> thumb drive and a computer running Ubuntu/Xubuntu already, it's a >> great way to go without having to burn a CD. >> > > I think I would like to know more about this. ?Do you have a > HOWTO/link for this procedure? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick Long story short - get a disc image for the version you want to install, a 1GB thumb drive, and use "USB Startup Disk Creator". If the computer you want to install on can boot from USB, you're in business. -- Chad Bryant chadabryant@gmail.com 801.448.6155 http://www.chadbryant.net/ http://lowrentlinux.blogspot.com/ From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 22:58:59 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 22:59:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <3e0143a80911172134h7d8661deo29c1ccb558c9ed17@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <1258516099.2438.78.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <3e0143a80911171955g9ec8847m609330833efa387e@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770911172120r64170805s1217a81501141e30@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172134h7d8661deo29c1ccb558c9ed17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1258523939.2438.88.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> I agree, floppy is a beast, but I thought there were still some router-type distros (DSL maybe, or derivs) that could still do it. Or maybe I'm just up too late and trying to be too helpful :) Don't guarantee, haven't used floppy since a 16Mz 386-SX machine with 16MB ram circa 1994, but: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/ lists dozens of floppy distribs. Not Ubuntu, though. Maybe as a stepping-stone. I may still have a pile of linux floppies somewhere, if you wanna try it. Probably a pre-1.0 kernel... ;) On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:34 -0700, Chad Bryant wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Michael Heath > wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: > >> > >> I believe Debian broke floppy install several years ago. > >> > > > > Didn't Linux break it? I thought that the minimum sane kernel on 2.6 > > was now too big to fit on a floppy. Even 2.4 was a squeeze, and I > > think that most of the remaining linux-on-a-floppy-disk distros either > > use multiple disks or the 2.2 kernel series. > > > > I think the moral of the story is that a floppy disk install is now > > for those who feel either masochistic, nostalgic, or bored with their > > otherwise intuitive and seamless linux install. I once installed some > > ancient version of Slackware using a set of around 30 floppy disks, > > and do not recommend the experience. :) > > My first Linux install was circa 1999 with about two dozen floppies > for whatever version of Slackware was available at the time. Let's > just say I was a lot happier when I found a CD copy of Red Hat. :D > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 23:01:25 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:01:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1258524085.2438.91.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Do it all the time with Ubuntu. Have Debian netinstall on a 512MB stick, others on 1-2GB sticks. You often have to remove U3 or other stuff from the sticks to get them clean enough to boot. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:40 -0700, Andrew Jackman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, u235sentinel > > wrote: > >> > >> I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. > >> After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further with > >> installing any OS. Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about $135 > >> (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). > > > > This doesn't answer your question but I would highly recommend an external > > USB DVD. > > > > I've tried to find ways of getting a DVD/CD image onto a USB thumb > drive and installing from that. Unfortunately, I was not successful. > Has anyone else had luck with this method? > > The closest working solution I got was installing Damn Small Linux on > thumb drive while traveling Peru. :) > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 23:03:44 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:03:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1258524224.2438.93.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Old laptops may not boot from USB, though. I have several older machines that won't do it, but I agree, if the BIOS allows it its a great way to go. Faster than CD/DVD by a mile. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:44 -0700, Chad Bryant wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, u235sentinel > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I have a laptop with a DVD player that works... up to a certain point. > >>> After it hits a certain position then it's unable to move any further with > >>> installing any OS. Replacing the DVD player was quoted at about $135 > >>> (cheapest I could find was ebay and it wasn't guaranteed to work). > >> > >> This doesn't answer your question but I would highly recommend an external > >> USB DVD. > >> > > > > I've tried to find ways of getting a DVD/CD image onto a USB thumb > > drive and installing from that. Unfortunately, I was not successful. > > Has anyone else had luck with this method? > > I've done it with LiveCD and alt-install images. If you have a 1GB > thumb drive and a computer running Ubuntu/Xubuntu already, it's a > great way to go without having to burn a CD. > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From kd7nyq at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 23:08:02 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:08:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <1258524224.2438.93.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <1258524224.2438.93.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <79c119390911172208m9bf8f07h6a90f27cdd4af3f9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Matt Warnock wrote: > Old laptops may not boot from USB, though. ?I have several older > machines that won't do it, but I agree, if the BIOS allows it its a > great way to go. ?Faster than CD/DVD by a mile. > I used to have this great boot disk (I think I have to specify it as a floppy). I have no idea where it came from or where it went. It would detect all of the USB devices and ATAPI devices and ask which I wanted to boot. This would be awesome in combination with your thumb drive installer... -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 23:08:51 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:09:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1258524531.2438.98.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Se my earlier post. System->Administration->Startup Disk Creator. Works on any recent Ubuntu desktop that I have seen. Browse for the ISO image to use (pick about anything). Pick the USB device from the menu. Press the Make Startup Disk button. Watch the progress bar. Eject the stick from the desktop. Voila! Reboot with the stick inserted and BIOS set to boot from USB. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:52 -0700, Andrew Jackman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: > > I've done it with LiveCD and alt-install images. If you have a 1GB > > thumb drive and a computer running Ubuntu/Xubuntu already, it's a > > great way to go without having to burn a CD. > > > > I think I would like to know more about this. Do you have a > HOWTO/link for this procedure? > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 23:11:35 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:11:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1258524695.2438.100.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> As he points out, you can use different ISO images-- I even used Ubuntu desktop to write the Debian netinstall stick, and CentOS (TrixBox) images too, I'm pretty sure. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:52 -0700, Andrew Jackman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: > > I've done it with LiveCD and alt-install images. If you have a 1GB > > thumb drive and a computer running Ubuntu/Xubuntu already, it's a > > great way to go without having to burn a CD. > > > > I think I would like to know more about this. Do you have a > HOWTO/link for this procedure? > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 23:19:08 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:19:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <79c119390911172208m9bf8f07h6a90f27cdd4af3f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <1258524224.2438.93.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <79c119390911172208m9bf8f07h6a90f27cdd4af3f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1258525148.2438.105.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> That WOULD be a great thing! Earlier this week I blew an an alternate Ubuntu install off the laptop, little realizing that the recent but temporary install had hijacked grub. After hibernating, I found myself at a "grub rescue" prompt with no way to boot the /dev/sda1 kernel and root. Grrr. Something like that would have saved a bit of screwing around, possibly. If you find what it was, please share the info. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 23:08 -0700, Andrew Jackman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Matt Warnock > wrote: > > Old laptops may not boot from USB, though. I have several older > > machines that won't do it, but I agree, if the BIOS allows it its a > > great way to go. Faster than CD/DVD by a mile. > > > > I used to have this great boot disk (I think I have to specify it as a > floppy). I have no idea where it came from or where it went. It > would detect all of the USB devices and ATAPI devices and ask which I > wanted to boot. This would be awesome in combination with your thumb > drive installer... > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 17 23:25:36 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:25:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <1258524695.2438.100.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> <1258524695.2438.100.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <1258525536.2438.110.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> On a related note, I now have 4GB sticks that can't quite hold a DVD, but COULD hold about 6 CD images. Anybody know a way to chain multiple ISOs on a single media stick with a grub menu to pick which to boot? Or am I dreaming? Now THAT would be a handy thing to have in yer pocket... On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 23:11 -0700, Matt Warnock wrote: > As he points out, you can use different ISO images-- I even used Ubuntu > desktop to write the Debian netinstall stick, and CentOS (TrixBox) > images too, I'm pretty sure. > > On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:52 -0700, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: > > > I've done it with LiveCD and alt-install images. If you have a 1GB > > > thumb drive and a computer running Ubuntu/Xubuntu already, it's a > > > great way to go without having to burn a CD. > > > > > > > I think I would like to know more about this. Do you have a > > HOWTO/link for this procedure? > > > > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From jared.bernard at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 07:17:12 2009 From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard) Date: Wed Nov 18 07:17:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: BSD Mag download (HTML in email) Message-ID: I thought some of you might be interested in this. 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091118/03a65072/attachment-0001.htm From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 09:42:11 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Nov 18 09:42:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Bring DVD and/or CD blanks if you want a copy of Linux on Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4B034524.4080704@sllug.org> References: <4B02F551.1000104@sllug.org> <4B033AA2.3070502@sllug.org> <2f932a4a0911171623l6b4f3f4fsd74b50207bb17c2b@mail.gmail.com> <4B034524.4080704@sllug.org> Message-ID: i hope i can come... i probably can... i'm not betting on it thought, i said i'd be at daytime and ubuntu party and couldn't go to either. On 11/17/09, Marc Christensen wrote: > Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> When is the meeting again? Wednesday afternoon if I remember right? >> > > It's wednesday evening at 7:10pm. Here are the details: > > http://sllug.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=130 > > -- > Marc Christensen > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 09:47:20 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Nov 18 09:47:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: i dont have time to read through this and find out if someone has said "i will", but i will do "blender game engine 2" as a continuation of my utosc presentation if anyone wants. or just represent my utosc one. if i can even come. lol. but there you go, now you have a backup. On 11/17/09, Richard Esplin wrote: > Using Android devices as USB file storage is trivial--just tell the device > that it is allowed. Moving music, photos, movies, and other files on and off > the device is drag and drop in the file browser of your choice. The music > player, gallery, OI editor, etc recognize the files with no user > intervention. Using Nandroid backup and Backup for Root Users makes it easy > to backup your device settings and move them off of the SD card. > > Email is really easy using Gmail as a cloud server and connecting everything > over IMAP. There are no clean tools that I know of for interacting directly > with email on Android with out Gmail. The database doesn't look obfuscated, > and the code is available, but it hasn't been a priority for me to look into > it. > > Unfortunately, syncing contacts and calendar directly with Linux is a poor > hack at the moment. Both have to be done through Gmail/Gtalk, and there is > no IMAP or LDAP support (though both have been rumored). Jabber clients can > apparently access the Contacts. Google offers a vcal feed that can give you > read-only access to the calendar. There is also a documented API to the > calendar. > > Here are some links I have explored: > http://www.funambol.com/ -- appears to work well from the device to your > computer, but requires yet another cloud account. > http://gcaldaemon.sourceforge.net/ -- appears to work for lots of people, > but didn't work for me. > http://www.opensync.org/ -- has a Google plugin, sort-of. > > After looking into it, I decided that my efforts should go into getting the > opensync Google plugin working. However, my aspirations haven't yet turned > into a code contribution. It doesn't look too bad though (contacts through > XMPP, Calendar through the public API). > > I gave up early last summer; things could be different now. If you figure > out how to get this working, please post about it. > > Richard Esplin > > On Tue 17 November 2009 07:54:02 Matt Warnock > wrote: >> Just downloading the SDK myself. I think I understand the source of the >> confusion. Android automagically syncs with *Google*. The SDK seems to >> do this, and of course so does the actual device (Motorola Droid in my >> case). The device is great at grabbing stuff from the net over Wifi or >> 3G, but I have yet to make it appear on my Ubuntu 9.10 desktop. That >> is one missing link I am looking for, the other is syncing with Firefox, >> Thunderbird, Sunbird, Evolution, and/or other tools on the Ubuntu >> desktop. >> >> I have a lot of data I collected from my Palm Centro (and Treo before >> that): Contacts, Calendar, ToDo, Memos, ebooks, music, databases, etc. >> Palm desktop grabbed it all (or most of it) off the Palm, but only >> Contacts converted easily to Google (via vCard), and even then, anything >> listed only by "Company Name" (without a contact name) all got lumped >> together under "Unknown name" with about 50 miscellaneous bits of info >> under it. So I'll have a fair amount of editing to do to make sense of >> those. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From bwhiteley at novell.com Wed Nov 18 10:01:06 2009 From: bwhiteley at novell.com (Bart Whiteley) Date: Wed Nov 18 10:01:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu installation tweak... In-Reply-To: <3e0143a80911172159v6a998fadtae58bacc2d0f90de@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B035CDD.7090601@gmail.com> <86d2b63e0911171840s2487b474lcab544e70f6a84b6@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172140u78f4c3f3i7364ca9e79c82873@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172144i4fc92fd6r8c93df50d4fb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390911172152x1f3fa615ocdae6cb4accee0e@mail.gmail.com> <3e0143a80911172159v6a998fadtae58bacc2d0f90de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B042852.8040201@novell.com> On 11/17/2009 10:59 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Chad Bryant wrote: >> >>> I've done it with LiveCD and alt-install images. If you have a 1GB >>> thumb drive and a computer running Ubuntu/Xubuntu already, it's a >>> great way to go without having to burn a CD. >>> >>> >> I think I would like to know more about this. Do you have a >> HOWTO/link for this procedure? >> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick > > Long story short - get a disc image for the version you want to > install, a 1GB thumb drive, and use "USB Startup Disk Creator". If the > computer you want to install on can boot from USB, you're in business. > Too bad you have to go through that extra step (especially if you don't already have a Ubuntu system running). With OpenSUSE 11.2 live CD ISO images, you can dd them directly to a USB stick. Then boot, run, install from there. From unum at unum5.org Wed Nov 18 10:27:08 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Wed Nov 18 10:27:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <4B042E6C.9070800@unum5.org> Richard Esplin wrote: > Unfortunately, syncing contacts and calendar directly with Linux is a poor hack at the moment. Both have to be done through Gmail/Gtalk, and there is no IMAP or LDAP support (though both have been rumored). Jabber clients can apparently access the Contacts. Google offers a vcal feed that can give you read-only access to the calendar. There is also a documented API to the calendar. > > I was able to connect to my email server via imap-ssl with the default email client on the motorola droid. I also installed a jabber client from the market place which allowed me to connect to jabber on my home server(and brought in my contacts). The calendar allows me to add events(and seems to be sinking with google calendar(but I haven't really checked). Kyle From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 12:22:06 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Nov 18 12:22:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <4B042E6C.9070800@unum5.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> <4B042E6C.9070800@unum5.org> Message-ID: ok, i see that someone said "i will" now, but ... if this is supposed to be for beginners, then security seems like a bad idea. i actually have a beginner guy that might want to come, he's just a ubuntu (l)user who knows nothing more than the desktop. anyway. On 11/18/09, Kyle Waters wrote: > Richard Esplin wrote: >> Unfortunately, syncing contacts and calendar directly with Linux is a poor >> hack at the moment. Both have to be done through Gmail/Gtalk, and there is >> no IMAP or LDAP support (though both have been rumored). Jabber clients >> can apparently access the Contacts. Google offers a vcal feed that can >> give you read-only access to the calendar. There is also a documented API >> to the calendar. >> >> > > I was able to connect to my email server via imap-ssl with the default > email client on the motorola droid. I also installed a jabber client > from the market place which allowed me to connect to jabber on my home > server(and brought in my contacts). The calendar allows me to add > events(and seems to be sinking with google calendar(but I haven't really > checked). > > Kyle > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 12:29:12 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Nov 18 12:29:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? Message-ID: i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for misrepresenting the droid. -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 12:47:13 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Nov 18 12:47:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: s/because if not/because if it does/g On 11/18/09, Christian Horne wrote: > i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a > droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because > his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync > directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry > over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for > misrepresenting the droid. > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From dragen at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 13:03:49 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Wed Nov 18 13:03:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: <6902ba8e0911181202m6cfb6e31rfdb1be5cfaf88c04@mail.gmail.com> References: <6902ba8e0911181202m6cfb6e31rfdb1be5cfaf88c04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6902ba8e0911181203t29f5c1f0o3918bb110df958ba@mail.gmail.com> Android phones have nothing to sync, in most cases. The base software syncs with the Google servers for Gmail, Email (whatever pop or imap you have), Calendar, Contacts etc. If you have any computer with internet access you can access those online. The Droid from Verizon has Exchange Email support. So active sync could be helpful. What exactly are you trying to sync? On Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM, "Christian Horne" wrote: i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for misrepresenting the droid. -- the blendmaster ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091118/763e851d/attachment.html From zspecialk at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 13:51:38 2009 From: zspecialk at gmail.com (Scott K) Date: Wed Nov 18 13:51:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258413436.13392.11.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258416249.13392.40.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <90cf3c3d0911181251h4e8c042cq7f6a4d8952ea5c09@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Kerry Cox wrote: > I actually would not mind giving a talk. I recently gave a presentation to > the ISSA Utah chapter called "Anatomy of an Attack". About a year or two > ago at my former place of employment, I discovered a security breach within > our Linux servers. Yes, it would be very security-centric but with a > strong emphasis on Linux. > If you are hard pressed for someone to present, I'd be happy to, > KJ > > That sounds awesome. While this week appears to be spoken for with newbie stuff, I would love to hear this security talk in the coming months. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091118/c282c860/attachment.htm From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 14:17:18 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Wed Nov 18 14:17:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: <6902ba8e0911181203t29f5c1f0o3918bb110df958ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <6902ba8e0911181202m6cfb6e31rfdb1be5cfaf88c04@mail.gmail.com> <6902ba8e0911181203t29f5c1f0o3918bb110df958ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree, it seams from the emulator that the easiest way to get something to the phone, is something like email. Just have him set up an email account, and upload all of the files you need in that, than simply access it on your phone. ~Leif ---------- The way phone's should be: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Adam Barrett wrote: > Android phones have nothing to sync, in most cases. The base software syncs > with the Google servers for Gmail, Email (whatever pop or imap you have), > Calendar, Contacts etc. > > If you have any computer with internet access you can access those online. > > The Droid from Verizon has Exchange Email support. So active sync could be > helpful. > > What exactly are you trying to sync? > > On Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM, "Christian Horne" > wrote: > > i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a > droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because > his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync > directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry > over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for > misrepresenting the droid. > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091118/7d4a1bbb/attachment.html From sllug at vpxp.com Wed Nov 18 15:17:58 2009 From: sllug at vpxp.com (Chris Brown) Date: Wed Nov 18 15:18:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: References: <6902ba8e0911181202m6cfb6e31rfdb1be5cfaf88c04@mail.gmail.com> <6902ba8e0911181203t29f5c1f0o3918bb110df958ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B047296.4090303@vpxp.com> The 'droid can also transfer files by downloading from a webpage, ftp, scp/sftp (with appropriate sw from the market), USB cable (with drivers from Google), and microSD flash. While in the market, install Astro, Linda, or some other file manager as well for easy browsing and opening of files on the microSD flash. Chris On 11/18/2009 2:17 PM, Leif Andersen wrote: > I agree, it seams from the emulator that the easiest way to get > something to the phone, is something like email. Just have him set up > an email account, and upload all of the files you need in that, than > simply access it on your phone. > > ~Leif > ---------- > The way phone's should be: > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook > > > http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Adam Barrett > wrote: > > Android phones have nothing to sync, in most cases. The base > software syncs with the Google servers for Gmail, Email (whatever > pop or imap you have), Calendar, Contacts etc. > > If you have any computer with internet access you can access those > online. > > The Droid from Verizon has Exchange Email support. So active sync > could be helpful. > > What exactly are you trying to sync? > >> On Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM, "Christian Horne" >> > wrote: >> >> i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a >> droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux >> because >> his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync >> directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry >> over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for >> misrepresenting the droid. >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091118/15214152/attachment-0001.htm From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 15:27:54 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Wed Nov 18 15:28:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: <4B047296.4090303@vpxp.com> References: <6902ba8e0911181202m6cfb6e31rfdb1be5cfaf88c04@mail.gmail.com> <6902ba8e0911181203t29f5c1f0o3918bb110df958ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B047296.4090303@vpxp.com> Message-ID: You know, I just had a thought...we could easily make an 'app for that' lol. It doesn't sound too hard, just make a PC app that sends a file to yourself via gmail, and an app on the other end that automagically downloads it for you (upon running the app). Although, it will be a while before I make something like that, /me is a n00b when it comes to programming, but I'm learning. :) ~Leif ---------- The way phone's should be: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Chris Brown wrote: > The 'droid can also transfer files by downloading from a webpage, ftp, > scp/sftp (with appropriate sw from the market), USB cable (with drivers from > Google), and microSD flash. > > While in the market, install Astro, Linda, or some other file manager as > well for easy browsing and opening of files on the microSD flash. > > Chris > > > On 11/18/2009 2:17 PM, Leif Andersen wrote: > > I agree, it seams from the emulator that the easiest way to get something > to the phone, is something like email. Just have him set up an email > account, and upload all of the files you need in that, than simply access it > on your phone. > > ~Leif > ---------- > The way phone's should be: > > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook > > http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Adam Barrett wrote: > >> Android phones have nothing to sync, in most cases. The base software >> syncs with the Google servers for Gmail, Email (whatever pop or imap you >> have), Calendar, Contacts etc. >> >> If you have any computer with internet access you can access those online. >> >> The Droid from Verizon has Exchange Email support. So active sync could be >> helpful. >> >> What exactly are you trying to sync? >> >> On Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM, "Christian Horne" >> wrote: >> >> i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a >> droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because >> his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync >> directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry >> over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for >> misrepresenting the droid. >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utahsllug-members@sllug.orghttp://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091118/686b94ab/attachment.html From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 10:39:32 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Thu Nov 19 10:39:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: References: <6902ba8e0911181202m6cfb6e31rfdb1be5cfaf88c04@mail.gmail.com> <6902ba8e0911181203t29f5c1f0o3918bb110df958ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B047296.4090303@vpxp.com> Message-ID: leif: maybe i could do it. if you present on programming for andriod i could probably get it working in $ANDRIOD_SDK_SETUP_TIME+30min On 11/18/09, Leif Andersen wrote: > You know, I just had a thought...we could easily make an 'app for that' > lol. It doesn't sound too hard, just make a PC app that sends a file to > yourself via gmail, and an app on the other end that automagically downloads > it for you (upon running the app). Although, it will be a while before I > make something like that, /me is a n00b when it comes to programming, but > I'm learning. :) > > ~Leif > ---------- > The way phone's should be: > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook > > http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Chris Brown wrote: > >> The 'droid can also transfer files by downloading from a webpage, ftp, >> scp/sftp (with appropriate sw from the market), USB cable (with drivers >> from >> Google), and microSD flash. >> >> While in the market, install Astro, Linda, or some other file manager as >> well for easy browsing and opening of files on the microSD flash. >> >> Chris >> >> >> On 11/18/2009 2:17 PM, Leif Andersen wrote: >> >> I agree, it seams from the emulator that the easiest way to get something >> to the phone, is something like email. Just have him set up an email >> account, and upload all of the files you need in that, than simply access >> it >> on your phone. >> >> ~Leif >> ---------- >> The way phone's should be: >> >> >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook >> >> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Adam Barrett wrote: >> >>> Android phones have nothing to sync, in most cases. The base software >>> syncs with the Google servers for Gmail, Email (whatever pop or imap you >>> have), Calendar, Contacts etc. >>> >>> If you have any computer with internet access you can access those >>> online. >>> >>> The Droid from Verizon has Exchange Email support. So active sync could >>> be >>> helpful. >>> >>> What exactly are you trying to sync? >>> >>> On Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM, "Christian Horne" >>> wrote: >>> >>> i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a >>> droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because >>> his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync >>> directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry >>> over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for >>> misrepresenting the droid. >>> >>> -- >>> the blendmaster >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel >> #Utahsllug-members@sllug.orghttp://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > -- the blendmaster From canopus56 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 11:16:46 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Thu Nov 19 11:16:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLUG meeting 11-18 book recommendation Message-ID: <1317.10272.qm@web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Last night's SLUG meeting mostly was about open source philosophy.? I wanted to recommend the following new book that gives a good overview?of the topic as it relates to copyright and patent rights. David Douglas and Greg Papadopoulos. Sept. 2009. Citizen Engineer: A Handbook for Social Responsible Engineering. Prentice Hall. ISBN-10 0-13-714392-3 http://www.amazon.com/Citizen-Engineer-Handbook-Responsible-Engineering/dp/0137143923 Douglas (Cloud computing) and Papadopoulus (CTO) are v.p.s at Sun Microsoft.? They describe the model of open source intellectual property rights management that has been successfully employed in the software industry. They argue for the expansions and adoption of similar IT rights management into the engineering life-cycle of durable products in order to maximize the energy and materials efficiency of goods and to maximize the cycle of the innovation. "We view Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) as the harbinger of systems that unleash very rapidly moving innovation? cycles through sharing and global participation."? The book provides a good overview of IT rights management terminology and issues and reviews current GPL licenses by degree of open-ness. - Kurt From canopus56 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 11:16:46 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Thu Nov 19 11:16:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLUG meeting 11-18 book recommendation Message-ID: <1317.10272.qm@web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Last night's SLUG meeting mostly was about open source philosophy.? I wanted to recommend the following new book that gives a good overview?of the topic as it relates to copyright and patent rights. David Douglas and Greg Papadopoulos. Sept. 2009. Citizen Engineer: A Handbook for Social Responsible Engineering. Prentice Hall. ISBN-10 0-13-714392-3 http://www.amazon.com/Citizen-Engineer-Handbook-Responsible-Engineering/dp/0137143923 Douglas (Cloud computing) and Papadopoulus (CTO) are v.p.s at Sun Microsoft.? They describe the model of open source intellectual property rights management that has been successfully employed in the software industry. They argue for the expansions and adoption of similar IT rights management into the engineering life-cycle of durable products in order to maximize the energy and materials efficiency of goods and to maximize the cycle of the innovation. "We view Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) as the harbinger of systems that unleash very rapidly moving innovation? cycles through sharing and global participation."? The book provides a good overview of IT rights management terminology and issues and reviews current GPL licenses by degree of open-ness. - Kurt From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 12:04:39 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Thu Nov 19 12:05:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: References: <6902ba8e0911181202m6cfb6e31rfdb1be5cfaf88c04@mail.gmail.com> <6902ba8e0911181203t29f5c1f0o3918bb110df958ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B047296.4090303@vpxp.com> Message-ID: lol, okay. Google does have a whole lot of nice api's for android. I've just been playing with making UIs in it at the moment. ~Leif ---------- The way phone's should be: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Christian Horne wrote: > leif: maybe i could do it. if you present on programming for andriod i > could probably get it working in $ANDRIOD_SDK_SETUP_TIME+30min > > On 11/18/09, Leif Andersen wrote: > > You know, I just had a thought...we could easily make an 'app for that' > > lol. It doesn't sound too hard, just make a PC app that sends a file to > > yourself via gmail, and an app on the other end that automagically > downloads > > it for you (upon running the app). Although, it will be a while before I > > make something like that, /me is a n00b when it comes to programming, but > > I'm learning. :) > > > > ~Leif > > ---------- > > The way phone's should be: > > > > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook > > > > http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Chris Brown wrote: > > > >> The 'droid can also transfer files by downloading from a webpage, ftp, > >> scp/sftp (with appropriate sw from the market), USB cable (with drivers > >> from > >> Google), and microSD flash. > >> > >> While in the market, install Astro, Linda, or some other file manager as > >> well for easy browsing and opening of files on the microSD flash. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> On 11/18/2009 2:17 PM, Leif Andersen wrote: > >> > >> I agree, it seams from the emulator that the easiest way to get > something > >> to the phone, is something like email. Just have him set up an email > >> account, and upload all of the files you need in that, than simply > access > >> it > >> on your phone. > >> > >> ~Leif > >> ---------- > >> The way phone's should be: > >> > >> > >> > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook > >> > >> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Adam Barrett wrote: > >> > >>> Android phones have nothing to sync, in most cases. The base software > >>> syncs with the Google servers for Gmail, Email (whatever pop or imap > you > >>> have), Calendar, Contacts etc. > >>> > >>> If you have any computer with internet access you can access those > >>> online. > >>> > >>> The Droid from Verizon has Exchange Email support. So active sync could > >>> be > >>> helpful. > >>> > >>> What exactly are you trying to sync? > >>> > >>> On Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM, "Christian Horne" > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a > >>> droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because > >>> his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync > >>> directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry > >>> over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for > >>> misrepresenting the droid. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> the blendmaster > >>> ______________________________________________________________________ > >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________________ > >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > >> #Utahsllug-members@sllug.orghttp:// > www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kerry Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Scott K wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Kerry Cox > wrote: > I actually would not mind giving a talk. I recently gave a > presentation to the ISSA Utah chapter called "Anatomy of an > Attack". About a year or two ago at my former place of employment, > I discovered a security breach within our Linux servers. Yes, it > would be very security-centric but with a strong emphasis on Linux. > If you are hard pressed for someone to present, I'd be happy to, > KJ > > That sounds awesome. While this week appears to be spoken for with > newbie stuff, I would love to hear this security talk in the coming > months. > > Scott > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091119/a0f758e2/attachment.html From charlie.sumpter at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 14:11:05 2009 From: charlie.sumpter at gmail.com (Charlie Sumpter) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:10:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258400571.13392.6.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: To steal a line from the corrupt arrogants, there's an app for that. Search for Android Terminal Emulator... Sent from my Droid, which is pretty dang cool... On Nov 16, 2009 12:45 PM, "Matt Warnock" wrote: I'd LOVE that, since I just got the Motodroid on Saturday. Even more basic, like how to sync Android to Linux and how to import data to Android would be great, and how to sim Android on Linux. Now if I could just figure out how to get a bash command line on Android... But I'm out of town Wed anyway. Maybe Dec or Jan? On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:22 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > Well, I won't be ready for this week, sor... -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ fo... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(The file system seems to count from 1, /sdb1 = first partition, second SATA) Hope this helps, I am mostly guessing : ) Shalom, Jordan On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:16:29AM -0700, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > I have recently installed Ubuntu. I'm not new to Linux nor am I new to > Ubuntu... yet Grub is > about to make me go postal! Ubuntu is new to my system. > > Here is the problem: > > I have three drives I'll call them this for explanation purposes. > > SATA 1 > SATA 2 > IDE 1 > > SATA 1 and SATA 2 are identical 80 GB drives, SATA 1 contains Windows, > SATA 2 contains UBUNTU. IDE > 1 is a 40 GB drive and contains an NTFS "Non-bootable partition." > > After loading UBUNTU, I get an error message load stage 1.5 error 17... > I have reversed the boot > order within the BIOS, now I get an error 22. Switch it back and I > get error 17. Switch it to boot > the IDE 1 and I get a NTLDR error... as expected. > > I've read just about every Ubuntu forum explaining that in order to > reload all I have to do is > boot from the live CD and get to a terminal and type in the grub command. > > $ sudo grub > grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 > > Which returns > > hd1,0 > > then I type > grub> root (hd1,0) > grub> setup (hd1,0) > > This successfully installs. > > However, after a reboot I get the same error messages as explained above. > > I can't seem to find any definitive explanation for errors thrown by > grub. I have browsed > through the manual and I can't seem to find a section on errors and > their explanation. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Just to give you some more information: > > I have not deleted any partitions since the UBUNTU installation. > I have determined that /boot is located on /dev/sdb1 within the Linux FS. > I have tried to play around with the menu.lst and the device.map files > but to no avail so I restored them to their original state. > > Advice from here? > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From donlivingston at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 14:34:11 2009 From: donlivingston at gmail.com (Donald Livingston) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:34:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Firefox timing out in Ubuntu 9.10 Message-ID: <249fe29d0911191334h7b186a81n2c7cbfce23da76e8@mail.gmail.com> Hoping I can get some help on this. After a recent uptade to my Ubuntu 9.10 install, I've started having trouble when trying to browse the web in Firefox. Every page I try to load browse times out. I can connect fine when I boot to my windows partion, the router/modem are all behaiving normally. Ping tests in Linux are good, I can even browse from IE while in my VirtualBox WinXP in Ubuntu. Where should I be looking? -- Don Livingston www.donaldlivingston.com "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you might as well go for the really satisfying ones." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091119/0a99c541/attachment.html From donlivingston at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 14:44:39 2009 From: donlivingston at gmail.com (Donald Livingston) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:44:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Firefox timing out in Ubuntu 9.10 In-Reply-To: <249fe29d0911191334h7b186a81n2c7cbfce23da76e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <249fe29d0911191334h7b186a81n2c7cbfce23da76e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <249fe29d0911191344t21371b9ew773d402c06122747@mail.gmail.com> Seems to be a DNS issue. If I put in the IP address for google it loads right off. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Donald Livingston wrote: > Hoping I can get some help on this. After a recent uptade to my Ubuntu 9.10 > install, I've started having trouble when trying to browse the web in > Firefox. Every page I try to load browse times out. I can connect fine when > I boot to my windows partion, the router/modem are all behaiving normally. > Ping tests in Linux are good, I can even browse from IE while in my > VirtualBox WinXP in Ubuntu. Where should I be looking? > > -- > Don Livingston > www.donaldlivingston.com > "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you > might as well go for the really satisfying ones." > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.netchannel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Don Livingston www.donaldlivingston.com "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you might as well go for the really satisfying ones." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091119/b0c8f3b0/attachment.htm From thatch45 at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 15:00:31 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Thu Nov 19 15:00:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Firefox timing out in Ubuntu 9.10 In-Reply-To: <249fe29d0911191344t21371b9ew773d402c06122747@mail.gmail.com> References: <249fe29d0911191334h7b186a81n2c7cbfce23da76e8@mail.gmail.com> <249fe29d0911191344t21371b9ew773d402c06122747@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0911191400u72394a45p15c365a7e1a7411c@mail.gmail.com> I am having the same problem, but the stub resolver seems to be working just fine. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Donald Livingston wrote: > Seems to be a DNS issue. If I put in the IP address for google it loads > right off. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Donald Livingston < > donlivingston@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hoping I can get some help on this. After a recent uptade to my Ubuntu >> 9.10 install, I've started having trouble when trying to browse the web in >> Firefox. Every page I try to load browse times out. I can connect fine when >> I boot to my windows partion, the router/modem are all behaiving normally. >> Ping tests in Linux are good, I can even browse from IE while in my >> VirtualBox WinXP in Ubuntu. Where should I be looking? >> >> -- >> Don Livingston >> www.donaldlivingston.com >> "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you >> might as well go for the really satisfying ones." >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.netchannel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > > > -- > Don Livingston > www.donaldlivingston.com > "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you > might as well go for the really satisfying ones." > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, as you can see from my sig, I want google's phone...or the n900, now if I could increase my pocket book to support such a want...lol. ~Leif ---------- The way phone's should be: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Charlie Sumpter wrote: > To steal a line from the corrupt arrogants, there's an app for that. > Search for Android Terminal Emulator... > > Sent from my Droid, which is pretty dang cool... > > On Nov 16, 2009 12:45 PM, "Matt Warnock" > wrote: > > I'd LOVE that, since I just got the Motodroid on Saturday. Even more > basic, like how to sync Android to Linux and how to import data to > Android would be great, and how to sim Android on Linux. Now if I could > just figure out how to get a bash command line on Android... > > But I'm out of town Wed anyway. Maybe Dec or Jan? > > On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:22 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > Well, I won't be > ready for this week, sor... > -- > > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ See > http://www.sllug.org/ fo... > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091119/a31a6abe/attachment.html From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 21:12:05 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu Nov 19 21:12:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: References: <6902ba8e0911181202m6cfb6e31rfdb1be5cfaf88c04@mail.gmail.com> <6902ba8e0911181203t29f5c1f0o3918bb110df958ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B047296.4090303@vpxp.com> Message-ID: I'd like to say that Glen Lewis of the Utah Mobile Developers Group did a great presentation at the Utah Open Source Conference on Android development. I'm almost certain he'd be willing to come and talk about some real world experiences. Either way, it could be a good thing to have a 'show of what you can do with android' night at SLLUG next month :) Cheers, Clint On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Leif Andersen wrote: > lol, okay.? Google does have a whole lot of nice api's for android.? I've > just been playing with making UIs in it at the moment. > > ~Leif > ---------- > The way phone's should be: > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook > > http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Christian Horne > wrote: >> >> leif: maybe i could do it. if you present on programming for andriod i >> could probably get it working in $ANDRIOD_SDK_SETUP_TIME+30min >> >> On 11/18/09, Leif Andersen wrote: >> > You know, I just had a thought...we could easily make an 'app for that' >> > lol. ?It doesn't sound too hard, just make a PC app that sends a file to >> > yourself via gmail, and an app on the other end that automagically >> > downloads >> > it for you (upon running the app). ?Although, it will be a while before >> > I >> > make something like that, /me is a n00b when it comes to programming, >> > but >> > I'm learning. :) >> > >> > ~Leif >> > ---------- >> > The way phone's should be: >> > >> > >> > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook >> > >> > http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Chris Brown wrote: >> > >> >> ?The 'droid can also transfer files by downloading from a webpage, ftp, >> >> scp/sftp (with appropriate sw from the market), USB cable (with drivers >> >> from >> >> Google), and microSD flash. >> >> >> >> While in the market, install Astro, Linda, or some other file manager >> >> as >> >> well for easy browsing and opening of files on the microSD flash. >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/18/2009 2:17 PM, Leif Andersen wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree, it seams from the emulator that the easiest way to get >> >> something >> >> to the phone, is something like email. ?Just have him set up an email >> >> account, and upload all of the files you need in that, than simply >> >> access >> >> it >> >> on your phone. >> >> >> >> ~Leif >> >> ---------- >> >> The way phone's should be: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook >> >> >> >> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Adam Barrett wrote: >> >> >> >>> Android phones have nothing to sync, in most cases. The base software >> >>> syncs with the Google servers for Gmail, Email (whatever pop or imap >> >>> you >> >>> have), Calendar, Contacts etc. >> >>> >> >>> If you have any computer with internet access you can access those >> >>> online. >> >>> >> >>> The Droid from Verizon has Exchange Email support. So active sync >> >>> could >> >>> be >> >>> helpful. >> >>> >> >>> What exactly are you trying to sync? >> >>> >> >>> On Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM, "Christian Horne" >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a >> >>> droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because >> >>> his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync >> >>> directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry >> >>> over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for >> >>> misrepresenting the droid. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> the blendmaster >> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >> >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >> >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel >> >> >> >> #Utahsllug-members@sllug.orghttp://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Fri Nov 20 00:04:11 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Fri Nov 20 00:04:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1258700651.8866.108.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Outlook sync is reputed to work, AFAIK. My contacts are not in Outlook, but Palm (& Palm Desktop to backup). I had them synched with Linux desktops too. If I had an Outlook machine, I could have gone that way, perhaps, but I didn't have a copy handy and all I could find to download was a 30-day eval copy, didn't want to take the extra steps, but may explore that in future. On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 12:29 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a > droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because > his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync > directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry > over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for > misrepresenting the droid. > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 06:17:18 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Fri Nov 20 06:17:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: <1258700651.8866.108.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <1258700651.8866.108.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: Hmm...have you ever considered taking the time to give your contacts to google? They have several export options, so you don't have to worry about being stuck with google, and it will sync with your google products, and even several non-google products. @Clint, that would be cool, I would love to hear from someone who knows a lot about anrdoid, it is much more fun than the documentation. :) ~Leif ---------- The way phone's should be: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > Outlook sync is reputed to work, AFAIK. My contacts are not in Outlook, > but Palm (& Palm Desktop to backup). I had them synched with Linux > desktops too. If I had an Outlook machine, I could have gone that way, > perhaps, but I didn't have a copy handy and all I could find to download > was a 30-day eval copy, didn't want to take the extra steps, but may > explore that in future. > > > On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 12:29 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > > i would never ask such a question except that my dad is getting a > > droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to linux because > > his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it can't sync > > directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does this carry > > over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with me for > > misrepresenting the droid. > > > > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have tried both of the latter, and they don't import cleanly into Google. It seems that Palm (unlike Outlook perhaps) does not require a contact to have a name, or doesn't use the contact as a primary key. Google's CSV import format doesn't seem as bright as it could be-- expecting only the Outlook CSV format, not Palm's (different field headers, maybe more). vCard was better, but still far from perfect. For example, I have several businesses listed in my contacts list by business name, without a contact person. When these are imported into Google, they all get put in the SAME record (Unnamed Person), which now has 50-100 unrelated phone numbers, memos, etc associated with it. I hope to figure out how to separate these (maybe just put a bogus unique name in each for now) so at least we get separate records. When I get a minute, I can write a perl script to disentangle this stuff. > @Clint, that would be cool, I would love to hear from someone who > knows a lot about anrdoid, it is much more fun than the > documentation. :) > > ~Leif > ---------- > The way phone's should be: > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook > > http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Matt Warnock > wrote: > Outlook sync is reputed to work, AFAIK. My contacts are not > in Outlook, > but Palm (& Palm Desktop to backup). I had them synched with > Linux > desktops too. If I had an Outlook machine, I could have gone > that way, > perhaps, but I didn't have a copy handy and all I could find > to download > was a 30-day eval copy, didn't want to take the extra steps, > but may > explore that in future. > > > On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 12:29 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > > i would never ask such a question except that my dad is > getting a > > droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to > linux because > > his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it > can't sync > > directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does > this carry > > over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with > me for > > misrepresenting the droid. > > > > > -- > > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Sat Nov 21 07:45:22 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Sat Nov 21 07:45:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <1258814722.7126.5.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 16:28 -0700, Richard Esplin wrote: > Using Android devices as USB file storage is trivial--just tell the device that it is allowed. How is this done? I can't seem to find it in Settings. Am I missing something? Linux sees the device inserted in the kernel logs, but nothing appears on the Ubuntu desktop and the device (/dev/sdc) is inaccessible to fdisk and the like. -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Sat Nov 21 09:13:15 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Sat Nov 21 09:13:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Presentation for SLLUG this week? Anyone want to present? In-Reply-To: <1258814722.7126.5.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <4B019325.2020903@sllug.org> <1258469642.2438.34.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <200911171628.55374.richard-lists@esplins.org> <1258814722.7126.5.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <1258819995.7126.8.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 07:45 -0700, Matt Warnock wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 16:28 -0700, Richard Esplin wrote: > > Using Android devices as USB file storage is trivial--just tell the device that it is allowed. > How is this done? I can't seem to find it in Settings. Am I missing > something? Linux sees the device inserted in the kernel logs, but > nothing appears on the Ubuntu desktop and the device (/dev/sdc) is > inaccessible to fdisk and the like. Found it. It isn't under settings-- its a pull-down from the top bar, after the phone is connected, and the USB network icon appears at the top bar. -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 16:26:15 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Nov 21 16:26:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: <1258735835.13272.15.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <1258700651.8866.108.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258735835.13272.15.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: wow, what crap! however, don't start blaming google, start blaming palm, then when you're all done [bf]laming palm you can get angry at google. palm is not very good at following standards. on the other hand, google isn't hugely either, they are trying (and really succeeding) to make their own. On 11/20/09, Matt Warnock wrote: > On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 06:17 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: >> Hmm...have you ever considered taking the time to give your contacts >> to google? They have several export options, so you don't have to >> worry about being stuck with google, and it will sync with your google >> products, and even several non-google products. > > Exactly what I am TRYING to do. > > What Google DOESN'T have is a clean import from Palm. Palm saves ONLY > as a .cda file (a file type Google doesn't recognize, nor I) or as a > vCard file, or as a CSV file. I have tried both of the latter, and they > don't import cleanly into Google. It seems that Palm (unlike Outlook > perhaps) does not require a contact to have a name, or doesn't use the > contact as a primary key. Google's CSV import format doesn't seem as > bright as it could be-- expecting only the Outlook CSV format, not > Palm's (different field headers, maybe more). vCard was better, but > still far from perfect. > > For example, I have several businesses listed in my contacts list by > business name, without a contact person. When these are imported into > Google, they all get put in the SAME record (Unnamed Person), which now > has 50-100 unrelated phone numbers, memos, etc associated with it. > > I hope to figure out how to separate these (maybe just put a bogus > unique name in each for now) so at least we get separate records. When > I get a minute, I can write a perl script to disentangle this stuff. > >> @Clint, that would be cool, I would love to hear from someone who >> knows a lot about anrdoid, it is much more fun than the >> documentation. :) >> >> ~Leif >> ---------- >> The way phone's should be: >> >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook >> >> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Matt Warnock >> wrote: >> Outlook sync is reputed to work, AFAIK. My contacts are not >> in Outlook, >> but Palm (& Palm Desktop to backup). I had them synched with >> Linux >> desktops too. If I had an Outlook machine, I could have gone >> that way, >> perhaps, but I didn't have a copy handy and all I could find >> to download >> was a 30-day eval copy, didn't want to take the extra steps, >> but may >> explore that in future. >> >> >> On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 12:29 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: >> > i would never ask such a question except that my dad is >> getting a >> > droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to >> linux because >> > his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it >> can't sync >> > directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does >> this carry >> > over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with >> me for >> > misrepresenting the droid. >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> Matt Warnock >> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, >> links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 16:30:46 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Nov 21 16:30:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Grub help... I'm about to use a .45 to really boot the system. In-Reply-To: <20091117164752.GA16659@merlin.selecthearing> References: <4B02CC5D.5070803@gmail.com> <20091117164752.GA16659@merlin.selecthearing> Message-ID: of course you would not get along very well if you would think to try sd2,0. hd is just hard drive, grub doesn't care what kind of hard drive. same way it uses cd and fd and not anything else that i know of. yes grub couns from zero, and yes they would get probed differently, but it would never, ever, ever, ever use sd. it's not the same hd as the hd in /dev/hda1, see. On 11/17/09, Jordan Schatz wrote: > Grub and I never did get along but I would: > > Disconnect SATA 1 and IDE 1 and make sure your install is good and can > boot when just the linux disc is there. > > Then I think instead of hd1,0 try sd2,0 > > I am guessing that the problem is the drives are detected differently > when you have a live CD boot verses a real boot. I think hd is used only > for IDE drives, and sd for SATA, since it is /dev/sd*b*1 I would guess it > should be the second (hence sd2), and I think grub counts from zero, so > sd2,0. (The file system seems to count from 1, /sdb1 = first partition, > second SATA) > > Hope this helps, I am mostly guessing : ) > > Shalom, > Jordan > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:16:29AM -0700, Jeremy Bowen wrote: >> I have recently installed Ubuntu. I'm not new to Linux nor am I new to >> Ubuntu... yet Grub is >> about to make me go postal! Ubuntu is new to my system. >> >> Here is the problem: >> >> I have three drives I'll call them this for explanation purposes. >> >> SATA 1 >> SATA 2 >> IDE 1 >> >> SATA 1 and SATA 2 are identical 80 GB drives, SATA 1 contains Windows, >> SATA 2 contains UBUNTU. IDE >> 1 is a 40 GB drive and contains an NTFS "Non-bootable partition." >> >> After loading UBUNTU, I get an error message load stage 1.5 error 17... >> I have reversed the boot >> order within the BIOS, now I get an error 22. Switch it back and I >> get error 17. Switch it to boot >> the IDE 1 and I get a NTLDR error... as expected. >> >> I've read just about every Ubuntu forum explaining that in order to >> reload all I have to do is >> boot from the live CD and get to a terminal and type in the grub command. >> >> $ sudo grub >> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 >> >> Which returns >> >> hd1,0 >> >> then I type >> grub> root (hd1,0) >> grub> setup (hd1,0) >> >> This successfully installs. >> >> However, after a reboot I get the same error messages as explained above. >> >> I can't seem to find any definitive explanation for errors thrown by >> grub. I have browsed >> through the manual and I can't seem to find a section on errors and >> their explanation. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? >> >> Just to give you some more information: >> >> I have not deleted any partitions since the UBUNTU installation. >> I have determined that /boot is located on /dev/sdb1 within the Linux FS. >> I have tried to play around with the menu.lst and the device.map files >> but to no avail so I restored them to their original state. >> >> Advice from here? >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 16:31:34 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Nov 21 16:31:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Grub help... I'm about to use a .45 to really boot the system. In-Reply-To: References: <4B02CC5D.5070803@gmail.com> <20091117164752.GA16659@merlin.selecthearing> Message-ID: sorry, i'm feeling a little flame-ish, my system isn't co-operating either. On 11/21/09, Christian Horne wrote: > of course you would not get along very well if you would think to try > sd2,0. hd is just hard drive, grub doesn't care what kind of hard > drive. same way it uses cd and fd and not anything else that i know > of. > > yes grub couns from zero, and yes they would get probed differently, > but it would never, ever, ever, ever use sd. it's not the same hd as > the hd in /dev/hda1, see. > > On 11/17/09, Jordan Schatz wrote: >> Grub and I never did get along but I would: >> >> Disconnect SATA 1 and IDE 1 and make sure your install is good and can >> boot when just the linux disc is there. >> >> Then I think instead of hd1,0 try sd2,0 >> >> I am guessing that the problem is the drives are detected differently >> when you have a live CD boot verses a real boot. I think hd is used only >> for IDE drives, and sd for SATA, since it is /dev/sd*b*1 I would guess >> it >> should be the second (hence sd2), and I think grub counts from zero, so >> sd2,0. (The file system seems to count from 1, /sdb1 = first partition, >> second SATA) >> >> Hope this helps, I am mostly guessing : ) >> >> Shalom, >> Jordan >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:16:29AM -0700, Jeremy Bowen wrote: >>> I have recently installed Ubuntu. I'm not new to Linux nor am I new to >>> Ubuntu... yet Grub is >>> about to make me go postal! Ubuntu is new to my system. >>> >>> Here is the problem: >>> >>> I have three drives I'll call them this for explanation purposes. >>> >>> SATA 1 >>> SATA 2 >>> IDE 1 >>> >>> SATA 1 and SATA 2 are identical 80 GB drives, SATA 1 contains Windows, >>> SATA 2 contains UBUNTU. IDE >>> 1 is a 40 GB drive and contains an NTFS "Non-bootable partition." >>> >>> After loading UBUNTU, I get an error message load stage 1.5 error 17... >>> I have reversed the boot >>> order within the BIOS, now I get an error 22. Switch it back and I >>> get error 17. Switch it to boot >>> the IDE 1 and I get a NTLDR error... as expected. >>> >>> I've read just about every Ubuntu forum explaining that in order to >>> reload all I have to do is >>> boot from the live CD and get to a terminal and type in the grub >>> command. >>> >>> $ sudo grub >>> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 >>> >>> Which returns >>> >>> hd1,0 >>> >>> then I type >>> grub> root (hd1,0) >>> grub> setup (hd1,0) >>> >>> This successfully installs. >>> >>> However, after a reboot I get the same error messages as explained >>> above. >>> >>> I can't seem to find any definitive explanation for errors thrown by >>> grub. I have browsed >>> through the manual and I can't seem to find a section on errors and >>> their explanation. >>> >>> Does anyone have any suggestions? >>> >>> Just to give you some more information: >>> >>> I have not deleted any partitions since the UBUNTU installation. >>> I have determined that /boot is located on /dev/sdb1 within the Linux >>> FS. >>> I have tried to play around with the menu.lst and the device.map files >>> but to no avail so I restored them to their original state. >>> >>> Advice from here? >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > -- the blendmaster From leif.a.andersen at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 16:31:24 2009 From: leif.a.andersen at gmail.com (Leif Andersen) Date: Sat Nov 21 16:31:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: References: <1258700651.8866.108.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258735835.13272.15.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: Well, google is. But palm is failing at making their own. ~Leif ---------- The way phone's should be: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > wow, what crap! however, don't start blaming google, start blaming > palm, then when you're all done [bf]laming palm you can get angry at > google. palm is not very good at following standards. on the other > hand, google isn't hugely either, they are trying (and really > succeeding) to make their own. > > On 11/20/09, Matt Warnock wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 06:17 -0700, Leif Andersen wrote: > >> Hmm...have you ever considered taking the time to give your contacts > >> to google? They have several export options, so you don't have to > >> worry about being stuck with google, and it will sync with your google > >> products, and even several non-google products. > > > > Exactly what I am TRYING to do. > > > > What Google DOESN'T have is a clean import from Palm. Palm saves ONLY > > as a .cda file (a file type Google doesn't recognize, nor I) or as a > > vCard file, or as a CSV file. I have tried both of the latter, and they > > don't import cleanly into Google. It seems that Palm (unlike Outlook > > perhaps) does not require a contact to have a name, or doesn't use the > > contact as a primary key. Google's CSV import format doesn't seem as > > bright as it could be-- expecting only the Outlook CSV format, not > > Palm's (different field headers, maybe more). vCard was better, but > > still far from perfect. > > > > For example, I have several businesses listed in my contacts list by > > business name, without a contact person. When these are imported into > > Google, they all get put in the SAME record (Unnamed Person), which now > > has 50-100 unrelated phone numbers, memos, etc associated with it. > > > > I hope to figure out how to separate these (maybe just put a bogus > > unique name in each for now) so at least we get separate records. When > > I get a minute, I can write a perl script to disentangle this stuff. > > > >> @Clint, that would be cool, I would love to hear from someone who > >> knows a lot about anrdoid, it is much more fun than the > >> documentation. :) > >> > >> ~Leif > >> ---------- > >> The way phone's should be: > >> > >> > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook > >> > >> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Matt Warnock > >> wrote: > >> Outlook sync is reputed to work, AFAIK. My contacts are not > >> in Outlook, > >> but Palm (& Palm Desktop to backup). I had them synched with > >> Linux > >> desktops too. If I had an Outlook machine, I could have gone > >> that way, > >> perhaps, but I didn't have a copy handy and all I could find > >> to download > >> was a 30-day eval copy, didn't want to take the extra steps, > >> but may > >> explore that in future. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 12:29 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > >> > i would never ask such a question except that my dad is > >> getting a > >> > droid and he's an adamant windows luser. can't switch to > >> linux because > >> > his only computer is his work laptop. i saw talk that it > >> can't sync > >> > directly with linux without some serious hacking.... does > >> this carry > >> > over to windows? because if not, my dad will be angry with > >> me for > >> > misrepresenting the droid. > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Matt Warnock > >> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > >> links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > >> channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > -- > > Matt Warnock > > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091121/f33b3583/attachment.htm From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Nov 21 18:13:58 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack b friend) Date: Sat Nov 21 18:14:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to make a copy of xorg.conf Message-ID: <1258852438.2171.3.camel@jack-desktop> Ubuntu 9.10 is now working wonderfully except: i can find no way to see (so that i can copy it) xorg.conf with TwinView now working. in 8.10 i could see that file in the NVIDEA X SERVER SETTINGS menu. it is not visible under 9.10. please tell me where to find the working version of that file when i activate it. each time i boot U 9.10 i have to reset TwinView. thank you jack From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 18:20:53 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Sat Nov 21 18:20:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to make a copy of xorg.conf In-Reply-To: <1258852438.2171.3.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1258852438.2171.3.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <86d2b63e0911211720l2ec00625mb7815e329d96682f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM, jack b friend wrote: > Ubuntu 9.10 is now working wonderfully except: > > i can find no way to see (so that i can copy it) xorg.conf with TwinView > now working. > > in 8.10 i could see that file in the NVIDEA X SERVER SETTINGS menu. it > is not visible under 9.10. > > please tell me where to find the working version of that file when i > activate it. > > each time i boot U 9.10 i have to reset TwinView. > > thank you > > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > Here is the answer: You will need to create a new xorg.conf on order to allow nvidia-settings to save to it, so: sudo nvidia-xconfig (although it's probably a good idea to backup your xorg.conf first) Then run nvidia settings as root: sudo nvidia-settings Also, I am not sure exactly what set up you are looking for but I always use 'twinview' So, the above should allow you to save the new Xorg.conf that you configured with the nvidia-settings gui, oh and hit 'apply' to test your entries before saving. 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091121/122bfc7b/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Nov 21 22:45:07 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack b friend) Date: Sat Nov 21 22:45:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to make a copy of xorg.conf In-Reply-To: <86d2b63e0911211720l2ec00625mb7815e329d96682f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1258852438.2171.3.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0911211720l2ec00625mb7815e329d96682f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1258868707.2383.0.camel@jack-desktop> THANK YOU! jack On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 17:20 -0800, Robert Lewis wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM, jack b friend > wrote: > Ubuntu 9.10 is now working wonderfully except: > > i can find no way to see (so that i can copy it) xorg.conf > with TwinView > now working. > > in 8.10 i could see that file in the NVIDEA X SERVER SETTINGS > menu. it > is not visible under 9.10. > > please tell me where to find the working version of that file > when i > activate it. > > each time i boot U 9.10 i have to reset TwinView. > > thank you > > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > Here is the answer: > > You will need to create a new xorg.conf on order to allow > nvidia-settings to save to it, so: > > sudo nvidia-xconfig > > (although it's probably a good idea to backup your xorg.conf first) > > Then run nvidia settings as root: > > sudo nvidia-settings > > Also, I am not sure exactly what set up you are looking for but I > always > use 'twinview' > > So, the above should allow you to save the new Xorg.conf that you > configured with the nvidia-settings gui, oh and hit 'apply' to test > your > entries before saving. > There is a bug report about it as well. > But that should get you out of the hole. > I tested it on mine. it works. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/329742 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Sat Nov 21 23:05:38 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Sat Nov 21 23:05:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: uh-oh, is android not able to sync with windows? In-Reply-To: References: <1258700651.8866.108.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> <1258735835.13272.15.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <1258869938.5490.42.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 16:26 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > wow, what crap! however, don't start blaming google, start blaming > palm, then when you're all done [bf]laming palm you can get angry at > google. palm is not very good at following standards. on the other > hand, google isn't hugely either, they are trying (and really > succeeding) to make their own. Well that's a bit harsh, too. There is enough blame to go around (me as well, no doubt), but I'm not upset, just trying to solve the problem. Palm exports in valid vCard format, so far as I can tell. vCard is a flat file, in the sense that there is one record per contact (actually with multiple associated items, like phone numbers, per contact). Problem is that Google (apparently) blindly indexes by contact name, and assumes (at least on import) that all records with identical (e.g. empty) contact names (differentiated only by Company Name) are in fact the same person. I assume it may merge any "John Smith" entries as well, which would be really shortsighted. I know for a fact I have some identical names as different entries too. I know several John Carters, for example, but they are different. On the other hand, I have some cruft of duplicate entries that SHOULD be merged, but that should be done by hand. Palm had a similar issue, where any name could be looked up in "incremental search" fashion by keying the first letters of the name, but company names could not be searched that way, as they apparently were not indexed the same way. You had to do a full-text search of the entire machine to get those. I'm still learning my way around droid (obviously). -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Sat Nov 21 23:35:37 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Sat Nov 21 23:35:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu, Xen, and WiFi In-Reply-To: <1258868707.2383.0.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1258852438.2171.3.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0911211720l2ec00625mb7815e329d96682f@mail.gmail.com> <1258868707.2383.0.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1258871737.5490.60.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Here's a question for you gurus: I wanted to install Xen on my Ubuntu 9.10 laptop. I installed the packages, which included the server kernel (same point release). However, when I reboot using that kernel, the proprietary Wifi driver does not load. I am booting the same root disk, same config files, just a different kernel. Wouldn't the modules load the same way? Any idea why I get no Wifi with the server kernel? -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From matthew at azza.com Sun Nov 22 00:15:25 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Sun Nov 22 00:15:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu, Xen, and WiFi In-Reply-To: <1258871737.5490.60.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <1258852438.2171.3.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0911211720l2ec00625mb7815e329d96682f@mail.gmail.com> <1258868707.2383.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1258871737.5490.60.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <4B08E50D.6040805@azza.com> Matt Warnock wrote: > Here's a question for you gurus: > > I wanted to install Xen on my Ubuntu 9.10 laptop. I installed the > packages, which included the server kernel (same point release). > However, when I reboot using that kernel, the proprietary Wifi driver > does not load. I am booting the same root disk, same config files, just > a different kernel. Wouldn't the modules load the same way? > > Any idea why I get no Wifi with the server kernel? Proprietary wifi driver, you say? I'm taking that to mean it is a module that is not included with the kernel (a la 'madwifi'). In that case, you most likely haven't compiled it for this particular kernel (you need to recompile proprietary modules any time up update your kernel or install a differnet one, ie: server vs. desktop). Re-compile/install the module while booted in the server kernel and it'll probably work fine. That said, I'm on a 32-bit 9.10 install, and they did away with the 32-bit server kernel in 9.10, so I really can't look into that any further for ya. -- Matthew Hatch -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have never compiled a kernel (recently), but just used the default install stuff, so I didn't compile it into the old kernel either. I did note from the /boot/grub/menu.lst file that the server kernel uses a different initrd file-- so I suspect that is where the trouble lies. I probably need to rebuild it after manually installing the right driver. On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 00:15 -0700, Matthew Hatch wrote: > Matt Warnock wrote: > > Here's a question for you gurus: > > > > I wanted to install Xen on my Ubuntu 9.10 laptop. I installed the > > packages, which included the server kernel (same point release). > > However, when I reboot using that kernel, the proprietary Wifi driver > > does not load. I am booting the same root disk, same config files, just > > a different kernel. Wouldn't the modules load the same way? > > > > Any idea why I get no Wifi with the server kernel? > > Proprietary wifi driver, you say? I'm taking that to mean it is a > module that is not included with the kernel (a la 'madwifi'). In that > case, you most likely haven't compiled it for this particular kernel > (you need to recompile proprietary modules any time up update your > kernel or install a differnet one, ie: server vs. desktop). > > Re-compile/install the module while booted in the server kernel and > it'll probably work fine. That said, I'm on a 32-bit 9.10 install, and > they did away with the 32-bit server kernel in 9.10, so I really can't > look into that any further for ya. > > -- > Matthew Hatch > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 03:57:54 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 03:58:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe create copy of distro disk on harddrive how to Message-ID: <915101.52064.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have finished a newbie install on OpenSuSe 11.1 on an HP dv6000 laptop.? When installing software, Yast occassionally asks for the installation disk.? How can I copy the installation disk to the harddrive and point the Yast repository list to find it.? I would like to leave the install disk at home. Thanks Kurt From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 03:57:54 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 03:58:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe create copy of distro disk on harddrive how to Message-ID: <915101.52064.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have finished a newbie install on OpenSuSe 11.1 on an HP dv6000 laptop.? When installing software, Yast occassionally asks for the installation disk.? How can I copy the installation disk to the harddrive and point the Yast repository list to find it.? I would like to leave the install disk at home. Thanks Kurt From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 03:59:28 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 03:59:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe 11.1 on HP Pavillon dv6000 webcam Message-ID: <821135.33070.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After a newbie install and searching the OpenSuSe online repository, I concluded that the HP webcam in the Pavillon dv6000 is not supported.? Anyone have this working under OpenSuSe?? Thanks Kurt From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 03:59:28 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 03:59:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe 11.1 on HP Pavillon dv6000 webcam Message-ID: <821135.33070.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After a newbie install and searching the OpenSuSe online repository, I concluded that the HP webcam in the Pavillon dv6000 is not supported.? Anyone have this working under OpenSuSe?? Thanks Kurt From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 05:57:47 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Mon Nov 23 05:58:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe 11.1 on HP Pavillon dv6000 webcam In-Reply-To: <821135.33070.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <821135.33070.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B0A86CB.3030804@gmail.com> Canopus56 wrote: > After a newbie install and searching the OpenSuSe online repository, I concluded that the HP webcam in the Pavillon dv6000 is not supported. Anyone have this working under OpenSuSe? Did you mean "openSUSE"? -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 553 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091123/b607e651/signature.pgp From bms at mscis.org Mon Nov 23 08:11:22 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Mon Nov 23 08:12:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe create copy of distro disk on harddrive how to In-Reply-To: <915101.52064.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <915101.52064.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B0AA61A.8000701@mscis.org> On 11/23/2009 03:57 AM, Canopus56 wrote: > I have finished a newbie install on OpenSuSe 11.1 on an HP dv6000 laptop. When installing software, Yast occassionally asks for the installation disk. How can I copy the installation disk to the harddrive and point the Yast repository list to find it. I would like to leave the install disk at home. > > Thanks Kurt OpenSUSE 11.2 is out now, I'd install that one. You can create an ISO image from your disk with mkisofs if you used the install DVD. Whether you did or not, you can download the ISO file. You can then from a terminal run yast2 repositories, choose to add an iso file, and point to the file you downloaded. That's for when you are not online anyway. When you are online, you can point to an online live repo. If you want to get more creative install createrepo and make a full repo on your computer. There's documentation on how to do that the OpenSUSE Wiki. Brandon From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 08:23:17 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Mon Nov 23 08:23:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe create copy of distro disk on harddrive how to In-Reply-To: <4B0AA61A.8000701@mscis.org> References: <915101.52064.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B0AA61A.8000701@mscis.org> Message-ID: <86d2b63e0911230723y30d7418ayd31f534ec1097a9a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Brandon Stout wrote: > On 11/23/2009 03:57 AM, Canopus56 wrote: > > > I have finished a newbie install on OpenSuSe 11.1 on an HP dv6000 laptop. > When installing software, Yast occassionally asks for the installation > disk. How can I copy the installation disk to the harddrive and point the > Yast repository list to find it. I would like to leave the install disk at > home. > > > > Thanks Kurt > > OpenSUSE 11.2 is out now, I'd install that one. You can create an ISO > image from your disk with mkisofs if you used the install DVD. Whether > you did or not, you can download the ISO file. You can then from a > terminal run yast2 repositories, choose to add an iso file, and point to > the file you downloaded. That's for when you are not online anyway. > When you are online, you can point to an online live repo. If you want > to get more creative install createrepo and make a full repo on your > computer. There's documentation on how to do that the OpenSUSE Wiki. > > Brandon > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > How about going to YaST -> Software Repositories locate the CD/DVD line and disable it. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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O O O > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > A good way to proceed with understanding why your camera isn't supported is to drop to Terminal session and type: lsusb Then you can search google for the unique hex codes and manufacture that identify your WEB cam and see what others are saying. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brandon From wattwood at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:12:36 2009 From: wattwood at gmail.com (William Attwood) Date: Mon Nov 23 13:12:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Monit Message-ID: <7f2da9a80911231212s376ffa94lc7b9ffa5acd0600@mail.gmail.com> I've found a utility that will monitor deamons and alert you if they crash. I've only touched the surface. I'll be using it to monitor nagios instances so I know if a server is offline or if a deamon crashes, and I'll setup automation to have it re-start the deamon. http://mmonit.com/monit/ I hope you guys can use this, too. If you know of others like it, ping back and lets make a list. Always good to have tools in the I.T. Toolbox. P.S. I sent this to PLUG, as well. -- Take care, William Attwood Idea Extraordinaire wattwood@gmail.com Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks - Kurt From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 15:57:30 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 15:57:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: openSUSE login user screen restore nbq Message-ID: <851941.36058.qm@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (nbq - newbie question) In my openSUSE 11.1 (KDE shell) is the a switch that will activate the login challenge dialogue? The machine boots directly to the desktop and does not challenge the user to enter a login and password. Thanks - Kurt From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 16:04:37 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 16:04:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: openSUSE 11.1 - Enlightenment shell boot nbq Message-ID: <510951.8942.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Having done an openSUSE 11.1 and KDE install, I have also installed the packages to run Enlightenment window manager and would like to look at that as an alternative to KDE. I am unclear as to how to force a boot with the alternative window manager and thus cannot start Enlightenment. Is there a simple script file that some one has that can be inserted into the login batch file to allow selecting between the two window manager. I selected bash as the shell script. Thanks - Kurt From chad at planetmayfield.com Mon Nov 23 16:10:16 2009 From: chad at planetmayfield.com (Chad R Mayfield) Date: Mon Nov 23 16:10:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: openSUSE login user screen restore nbq In-Reply-To: <851941.36058.qm@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <851941.36058.qm@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Canopus56 wrote: > (nbq - newbie question) > > In my openSUSE 11.1 (KDE shell) is the a switch that will activate the > login challenge dialogue? The machine boots directly to the desktop and > does not challenge the user to enter a login and password. > I am assuming that is what you are looking for; http://lmgtfy.com/?q=disable+opensuse+automatic+login. While I do not use openSUSE or KDE links one and four look promising. Remember as a newbie as you say, Google is your friend. --- Chad R Mayfield chad@planetmayfield.com GPG Key: 0C9A026F http://www.planetmayfield.com/ http://www.chadmayfield.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/chadmayfield -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20091123/ba8060b9/attachment.html From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 16:16:08 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 16:16:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe create copy of distro disk on harddrive how to Message-ID: <256851.21158.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brandon wrote - > OpenSUSE 11.2 is out now, I'd install that one. You can create > an ISO image from your disk with mkisofs if you used the > install DVD. Whether you did or not, you can download > the ISO file. You can then from a terminal run yast2 \ > repositories, choose to add an iso file, and point to > the file you downloaded. Thanks Brandon. I'll give it a try. Is there a upgrade option? I don't want to go through another two day operating system and software install-fest. Thanks for your help. -Kurt From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 17:00:17 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 17:00:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Firefox - installing the Adobe df reader plugin nbq Message-ID: <704935.48805.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am tuning Firefox from a new openSUSE 11.1 install. I would like to have the default pdf viewer Adobe. The current viewer is GIMP - whose action is not fluid enough for online document reading. I have downloaded the Adobe plug-in "AdbeRdr9.2-1_i486linux_enu.bin" but available install instructions available on the internet make no sense for Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.15) Gecko/2009102100 SUSE/3.0.15-0.1.2 Firefox/3.0.15. Using the Firefox GUI dialogues, I have pointed at the Adobe bin file as the default PDF reader, but it errors out. Are there any script files that will install Adobe 9? Thanks - Kurt From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 17:10:27 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 17:10:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: openSUSE 11.1 - odd keyboard behavior Message-ID: <637748.41872.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone run into the following keyboard mouse problem and if so, can they give some pointers? This occurs in all applications involving typing. When typing fast, the text highlighter will suddenly jump back and highlight a prior word or phrase or sentence. When typing fast, the user then types the next character and this wipes out their prior text. This is on an HP Pavillon dv6000. The bug is almost making the machine unusable. Thanks - Kurt From byron at theclarkfamily.name Mon Nov 23 17:17:07 2009 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Mon Nov 23 17:17:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: openSUSE 11.1 - odd keyboard behavior In-Reply-To: <637748.41872.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <637748.41872.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091124001707.GS30229@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 04:10:27PM -0800, Canopus56 wrote: > When typing fast, the text highlighter will suddenly jump back and > highlight a prior word or phrase or sentence. When typing fast, the > user then types the next character and this wipes out their prior > text. This is on an HP Pavillon dv6000. The bug is almost making the > machine unusable. Are you sure you aren't hitting the touchpad while typing? -- Byron Clark From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Nov 23 17:22:20 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Nov 23 17:22:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Firefox - installing the Adobe df reader plugin nbq In-Reply-To: <704935.48805.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <704935.48805.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1259022140.2817.7.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> As an alternative, you may also want to try Xpdf, Kpdf, or Evince. They should all load much faster than Adobe as a plugin, and are much easier to install. I use them until I am forced to load Adobe for PDF comments, forms, or some obscure incompatibility. Evince is a pretty reasonable PDF viewer for most purposes, and certainly much better than GIMP for PDF files. I don't use SUSE so I can't help directly with Adobe install. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 16:00 -0800, Canopus56 wrote: > I am tuning Firefox from a new openSUSE 11.1 install. I would like to have the default pdf viewer Adobe. The current viewer is GIMP - whose action is not fluid enough for online document reading. > > I have downloaded the Adobe plug-in "AdbeRdr9.2-1_i486linux_enu.bin" but available install instructions available on the internet make no sense for Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.15) Gecko/2009102100 SUSE/3.0.15-0.1.2 Firefox/3.0.15. > > Using the Firefox GUI dialogues, I have pointed at the Adobe bin file as the default PDF reader, but it errors out. > > Are there any script files that will install Adobe 9? > Thanks - Kurt > -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Nov 23 17:28:52 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Nov 23 17:29:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: openSUSE 11.1 - odd keyboard behavior In-Reply-To: <637748.41872.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <637748.41872.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1259022532.2817.14.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> I have what I suspect is the same problem on a Dell Studio 1555. The problem is actually the touchpad. Very sensitive, and the thumb hits it without trying or even realizing it. My dad actually taped a piece of cardboard over his touchpad (hinged with tape at the top) to solve a similar problem. You might try that just to rule it out. The keyboard drivers in linux are pretty robust, though some individual apps seem to "lose" keystrokes when autosaving or other busy activity. If you see it across the board, I suspect the touchpad. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 16:10 -0800, Canopus56 wrote: > Has anyone run into the following keyboard mouse problem and if so, can they give some pointers? This occurs in all applications involving typing. > > When typing fast, the text highlighter will suddenly jump back and highlight a prior word or phrase or sentence. When typing fast, the user then types the next character and this wipes out their prior text. This is on an HP Pavillon dv6000. The bug is almost making the machine unusable. > > Thanks - Kurt > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From kmahan at xmission.com Mon Nov 23 17:44:16 2009 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Mon Nov 23 17:44:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: openSUSE 11.1 - odd keyboard behavior In-Reply-To: <1259022532.2817.14.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <637748.41872.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1259022532.2817.14.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: <4B0B2C60.9060608@xmission.com> I had this problem on my Dell 9100. I ended up just turning off the TAP capabilities. But you can also change the sensitivity if you want the tap feature. --Kurt Matt Warnock wrote: > I have what I suspect is the same problem on a Dell Studio 1555. The > problem is actually the touchpad. Very sensitive, and the thumb hits it > without trying or even realizing it. My dad actually taped a piece of > cardboard over his touchpad (hinged with tape at the top) to solve a > similar problem. You might try that just to rule it out. > > The keyboard drivers in linux are pretty robust, though some individual > apps seem to "lose" keystrokes when autosaving or other busy activity. > If you see it across the board, I suspect the touchpad. > > On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 16:10 -0800, Canopus56 wrote: > >> Has anyone run into the following keyboard mouse problem and if so, can they give some pointers? This occurs in all applications involving typing. >> >> When typing fast, the text highlighter will suddenly jump back and highlight a prior word or phrase or sentence. When typing fast, the user then types the next character and this wipes out their prior text. This is on an HP Pavillon dv6000. The bug is almost making the machine unusable. >> >> Thanks - Kurt >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > From canopus56 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 17:59:56 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Mon Nov 23 18:00:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: openSUSE 11.1 - odd keyboard behavior Message-ID: <874613.67202.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Byron Clark wrote: > Are you sure you aren't hitting the touchpad while typing? Pretty sure I'm not doing that and I have tried it with a CD case over the mousepad. But if it is not a known software problem, then it must be hardware and a pad replace. Thanks - Kurt From bms at mscis.org Mon Nov 23 18:11:40 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Mon Nov 23 18:12:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Firefox - installing the Adobe df reader plugin nbq In-Reply-To: <704935.48805.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <704935.48805.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B0B32CC.7040309@mscis.org> On 11/23/2009 05:00 PM, Canopus56 wrote: > I am tuning Firefox from a new openSUSE 11.1 install. I would like to have the default pdf viewer Adobe. The current viewer is GIMP - whose action is not fluid enough for online document reading. > > I have downloaded the Adobe plug-in "AdbeRdr9.2-1_i486linux_enu.bin" but available install instructions available on the internet make no sense for Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.15) Gecko/2009102100 SUSE/3.0.15-0.1.2 Firefox/3.0.15. > > Using the Firefox GUI dialogues, I have pointed at the Adobe bin file as the default PDF reader, but it errors out. > > Are there any script files that will install Adobe 9? > > Thanks - Kurt > Just add the non-oss repository and install acrobat reader with yast2 sw_single, and it will include the browser plugin. Brandon From bms at mscis.org Mon Nov 23 18:14:44 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Mon Nov 23 18:15:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenSuSe create copy of distro disk on harddrive how to In-Reply-To: <256851.21158.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <256851.21158.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B0B3384.20609@mscis.org> On 11/23/2009 04:16 PM, Canopus56 wrote: > Thanks Brandon. I'll give it a try. > Is there a upgrade option? I don't want to go through another two day operating system and software install-fest. > > Thanks for your help. -Kurt Yes, if you boot to the installation dvd you can choose to upgrade. Brandon From marc at mecworks.com Tue Nov 24 13:57:07 2009 From: marc at mecworks.com (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Nov 24 13:57:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: MythTV tuner deal (HDHomeRun) Message-ID: <4B0C48A3.3000000@mecworks.com> Hey if people are thinking of setting up a MythTV machine now that the new Myth is out, I just noticed that NewEgg has dropped the price of the HDHomeRun tuner by $20 Here's a link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005&cm_re=hdhomerun-_-15-327-005-_-Product I have one and it's the best tuner IMO. You never have to worry about compatible kernel drivers or getting the latest ones - it just streams over the network to your myth box. -- Marc From canopus56 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 24 16:46:06 2009 From: canopus56 at yahoo.com (Canopus56) Date: Tue Nov 24 16:46:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Firefox - installing the Adobe df reader plugin nbq Message-ID: <742638.67154.qm@web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To Group as whole:? Thank you for many replies on all the threads I have posted. - Kurt Matt wrote: > As an alternative, you may also want to try Xpdf, Kpdf, or Evince. Thanks, I'll try to figure out how to reinstall Kpdf into Firefox.? I believe KDE's Ktree was the original pdf viewer plugged into Firefox, but somehow GIMP did a stleath installation and made itself the default Firefox pdf reader. - Kurt From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 17:25:36 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Thu Nov 26 17:25:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: making customized ubuntu livecd, willing to present Message-ID: hey all, but especially clint and marc, i'm working on making a custom ubuntu live dvd, and so far, so good, and at this point, i think i've learned enough that i could do at least a mildly interesting presentation on it. maybe at daytime? to everybody else, i'll probably put the image up online, minus libdvdcss. don't worry, i don't put things like that up. it's gonna be a dvd though - 4.8G i think is what singe-layer dvds can handle. -- the blendmaster From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Sun Nov 29 14:49:39 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Sun Nov 29 14:49:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: making customized ubuntu livecd, willing to present In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1259531379.27979.44.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 17:25 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: > hey all, but especially clint and marc, i'm working on making a custom > ubuntu live dvd, and so far, so good, and at this point, i think i've > learned enough that i could do at least a mildly interesting > presentation on it. maybe at daytime? > > to everybody else, i'll probably put the image up online, minus > libdvdcss. don't worry, i don't put things like that up. it's gonna be > a dvd though - 4.8G i think is what singe-layer dvds can handle. > 4.7 is what MY blank DVDs (TDK DVD+R) say. -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From dave at thesmithfam.org Mon Nov 30 09:19:37 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Mon Nov 30 09:19:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PoE switch recommendations Message-ID: <4B13F099.3080006@thesmithfam.org> I have a dozen Polycom IP phones that I want to power with a PoE switch. Preferably with a GigE uplink port. What do you guys use? --Dave P.S. Sorry for the cross-post. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Nov 30 09:51:58 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Nov 30 09:52:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PoE switch recommendations In-Reply-To: <4B13F099.3080006@thesmithfam.org> References: <4B13F099.3080006@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <1259599918.27979.101.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> I'm using a Linksys SRW224p. 24 100-TX ports with POE, 2 uplinks at gigabit speed. Works well. On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:19 -0700, Dave Smith wrote: > I have a dozen Polycom IP phones that I want to power with a PoE switch. > Preferably with a GigE uplink port. What do you guys use? > > --Dave > > P.S. Sorry for the cross-post. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 10:16:58 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Nov 30 10:17:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: making customized ubuntu livecd, willing to present In-Reply-To: <1259531379.27979.44.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> References: <1259531379.27979.44.camel@matt5.warnocks.org> Message-ID: lol, i didn't bother to look it up when i sent the email, but as soon as i install half the repository, i'm going to care, and i would have looked it up (on my dvd faces :) ...is it possible to make dual-layer dvds bootable? or does the os not have the ability to read it.. whatever.. anyway, does it work? On 11/29/09, Matt Warnock wrote: > On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 17:25 -0700, Christian Horne wrote: >> hey all, but especially clint and marc, i'm working on making a custom >> ubuntu live dvd, and so far, so good, and at this point, i think i've >> learned enough that i could do at least a mildly interesting >> presentation on it. maybe at daytime? >> >> to everybody else, i'll probably put the image up online, minus >> libdvdcss. don't worry, i don't put things like that up. it's gonna be >> a dvd though - 4.8G i think is what singe-layer dvds can handle. >> > > 4.7 is what MY blank DVDs (TDK DVD+R) say. > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From millard at iomega.com Mon Nov 30 11:58:43 2009 From: millard at iomega.com (Dennis Millard) Date: Mon Nov 30 12:15:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: MythTV tuner deal (HDHomeRun) In-Reply-To: <4B0C48A3.3000000@mecworks.com> References: <4B0C48A3.3000000@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <4B1415E3.9080708@iomega.com> Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey if people are thinking of setting up a MythTV machine now that the > new Myth is out, I just noticed that NewEgg has dropped the price of the > HDHomeRun tuner by $20 > > Here's a link: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005&cm_re=hdhomerun-_-15-327-005-_-Product > > I have one and it's the best tuner IMO. You never have to worry about > compatible kernel drivers or getting the latest ones - it just streams > over the network to your myth box. > > -- > Marc > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > You can get one of these for $89.99... from Radio Shack of all places. Order it online using the instructions found here: http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/27111/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Networked-Digital-Dual-HDTV-Tuner-90 -Dennis Millard From millard at iomega.com Mon Nov 30 13:27:11 2009 From: millard at iomega.com (Dennis Millard) Date: Mon Nov 30 13:20:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: MythTV tuner deal (HDHomeRun) In-Reply-To: <4B1415E3.9080708@iomega.com> References: <4B0C48A3.3000000@mecworks.com> <4B1415E3.9080708@iomega.com> Message-ID: <4B142A9F.7070408@iomega.com> >> Hey if people are thinking of setting up a MythTV machine now that the >> new Myth is out, I just noticed that NewEgg has dropped the price of the >> HDHomeRun tuner by $20 >> >> Here's a link: >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005&cm_re=hdhomerun-_-15-327-005-_-Product >> >> I have one and it's the best tuner IMO. You never have to worry about >> compatible kernel drivers or getting the latest ones - it just streams >> over the network to your myth box. >> >> > You can get one of these for $89.99... from Radio Shack of all places. > Order it online using the instructions found here: > > http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/27111/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Networked-Digital-Dual-HDTV-Tuner-90 > > -Dennis Millard > > oops. I should have checked that link before posting it. Looks like its listed as "Out of stock". Who knows if the deal will still be available once they get stock in again. -Dennis Millard