From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 14:32:44 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:32:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: FSF vs. OSI In-Reply-To: <4A1436C5.1060109@unum5.org> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124BF4@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <4A1436C5.1060109@unum5.org> Message-ID: <20090603203244.GD18477@helios.cocyt.us> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:58:45AM -0600, Kyle Waters wrote: > FSF: Sharing is a moral principal. > OSI: Sharing creates better code. > > FSF recognizes the BSD license as free. They do not recognize the apple > license as free(it requires you submit all changes back to apple). > OSI recognizes the apple license as open source. They also recognize > other licenses that give the primary copyright holder special rights. > > FSF does not claim technical superiority from their licensing(just moral > superiority). > OSI says only the technical ability matters. s/moral/ethical/ :) -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090603/f9efd348/attachment.pgp From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Jun 3 16:50:08 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:50:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Network Message-ID: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> i am using Ubuntu 8.10. when i click on the Network icon in Places, i see Windows Network and Ubuntu. Clicking on Ubuntu takes me to print$. inside print$ are 8 more files: color, ia64, w32alpha, W34mpos, W32ppc, w32x86, win40 and x64. (i did not capitalize. could someone tell me what all that is please. Clicking on Windows Network >WORKGROUP>Ubuntu and back to the above? i don't understand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090603/e296726f/attachment.html From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 16:57:10 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:57:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Network In-Reply-To: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906031557g458b31b2gebdb74ef7be228f1@mail.gmail.com> What printers do you have installed to the system? Are those names of network printers by chance? On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, jack User wrote: > i am using Ubuntu 8.10. when i click on the Network icon in Places, i see > Windows Network and Ubuntu. Clicking on Ubuntu takes me to print$. inside > print$ are 8 more files: color, ia64, w32alpha, W34mpos, W32ppc, w32x86, > win40 and x64. (i did not capitalize. > > could someone tell me what all that is please. > > Clicking on Windows Network >WORKGROUP>Ubuntu and back to the above? > > i don't understand. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 16:58:52 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:59:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Network In-Reply-To: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: That sounds like you've found some print drivers on your samba share. Most likely they are being made available by a printer or printserver somewhere on your network. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, jack User wrote: > i am using Ubuntu 8.10. when i click on the Network icon in Places, i see > Windows Network and Ubuntu. Clicking on Ubuntu takes me to print$. inside > print$ are 8 more files: color, ia64, w32alpha, W34mpos, W32ppc, w32x86, > win40 and x64. (i did not capitalize. > > could someone tell me what all that is please. > > Clicking on Windows Network >WORKGROUP>Ubuntu and back to the above? > > i don't understand. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090603/6bd252be/attachment.htm From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 17:02:48 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:02:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Network In-Reply-To: References: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906031602r607b52e4xe815532a38d9fbc6@mail.gmail.com> That's precisely what I was getting at (in other words ;) ) On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > That sounds like you've found some print drivers on your samba share.? Most > likely they are being made available by a printer or printserver somewhere > on your network. > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, jack User wrote: >> >> i am using Ubuntu 8.10. when i click on the Network icon in Places, i see >> Windows Network and Ubuntu. Clicking on Ubuntu takes me to print$. inside >> print$ are 8 more files: color, ia64, w32alpha, W34mpos, W32ppc, w32x86, >> win40 and x64. (i did not capitalize. >> >> could someone tell me what all that is please. >> >> Clicking on Windows Network >WORKGROUP>Ubuntu and back to the above? >> >> i don't understand. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Jun 3 18:06:43 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:06:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Network In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906031557g458b31b2gebdb74ef7be228f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0906031557g458b31b2gebdb74ef7be228f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1244074003.15835.8.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> only two printers: HP deskjet 5650 and Stylus CX3810 On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 16:57 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > What printers do you have installed to the system? Are those names of > network printers by chance? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, jack User wrote: > > i am using Ubuntu 8.10. when i click on the Network icon in Places, i see > > Windows Network and Ubuntu. Clicking on Ubuntu takes me to print$. inside > > print$ are 8 more files: color, ia64, w32alpha, W34mpos, W32ppc, w32x86, > > win40 and x64. (i did not capitalize. > > > > could someone tell me what all that is please. > > > > Clicking on Windows Network >WORKGROUP>Ubuntu and back to the above? > > > > i don't understand. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090603/ab019a05/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Jun 3 18:10:33 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:10:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Network In-Reply-To: References: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1244074233.15835.12.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> i find that odd since i have no Linux network set up. now and again i fire up my old machine now loaded with U 9.04. i do have a network set up in Windows when i boot to Windows. that network sees my wife's laptop running Vista. i have never been able to see my old machine from this machine that i can tell when running U 8.10. i am not sure i have ever seen my wife's laptop while running Ubuntu either. On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 16:58 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > That sounds like you've found some print drivers on your samba share. > Most likely they are being made available by a printer or printserver > somewhere on your network. > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, jack User > wrote: > > i am using Ubuntu 8.10. when i click on the Network icon in > Places, i see Windows Network and Ubuntu. Clicking on Ubuntu > takes me to print$. inside print$ are 8 more files: color, > ia64, w32alpha, W34mpos, W32ppc, w32x86, win40 and x64. (i did > not capitalize. > > could someone tell me what all that is please. > > Clicking on Windows Network >WORKGROUP>Ubuntu and back to the > above? > > i don't understand. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090603/791d2afc/attachment-0001.htm From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:25:39 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:25:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Network In-Reply-To: <1244074003.15835.8.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0906031557g458b31b2gebdb74ef7be228f1@mail.gmail.com> <1244074003.15835.8.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906031725i2fa285b4y6240c7a41ee080bd@mail.gmail.com> Do you use a wireless router by chance? On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:06 PM, jack User wrote: > only two printers: > > HP deskjet 5650 and Stylus CX3810 > > On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 16:57 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > What printers do you have installed to the system? Are those names of > network printers by chance? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, jack User wrote: >> i am using Ubuntu 8.10. when i click on the Network icon in Places, i see >> Windows Network and Ubuntu. Clicking on Ubuntu takes me to print$. inside >> print$ are 8 more files: color, ia64, w32alpha, W34mpos, W32ppc, w32x86, >> win40 and x64. (i did not capitalize. >> >> could someone tell me what all that is please. >> >> Clicking on Windows Network >WORKGROUP>Ubuntu and back to the above? >> >> i don't understand. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Jun 3 19:36:29 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:36:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Network In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906031725i2fa285b4y6240c7a41ee080bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1244069408.15835.5.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0906031557g458b31b2gebdb74ef7be228f1@mail.gmail.com> <1244074003.15835.8.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0906031725i2fa285b4y6240c7a41ee080bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1244079389.15835.13.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> only wired On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 18:25 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Do you use a wireless router by chance? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:06 PM, jack User wrote: > > only two printers: > > > > HP deskjet 5650 and Stylus CX3810 > > > > On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 16:57 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > > > What printers do you have installed to the system? Are those names of > > network printers by chance? > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, jack User wrote: > >> i am using Ubuntu 8.10. when i click on the Network icon in Places, i see > >> Windows Network and Ubuntu. Clicking on Ubuntu takes me to print$. inside > >> print$ are 8 more files: color, ia64, w32alpha, W34mpos, W32ppc, w32x86, > >> win40 and x64. (i did not capitalize. > >> > >> could someone tell me what all that is please. > >> > >> Clicking on Windows Network >WORKGROUP>Ubuntu and back to the above? > >> > >> i don't understand. > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090603/35c3f740/attachment.htm From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 10:05:28 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:05:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's Message-ID: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> I apologise for the slightly off topic question, but I know the people on this list will know the answer. I moved to the valley about a year ago into an old house (built in 1924) without a working phone jack. I've been using comcast cable and internet, but this month my 'promotions' ended and they are doubling my Cable/Internet bill. I could go off on an entire rant about treating your loyal customer like crap while sucking up to new customer, but I'll refrain. Are there any providers in the valley (specifically west valley) who provide internet service through the cable line like Comcast? Thanks --Shane Hansen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090604/ec05edc2/attachment.html From brent at air2data.com Thu Jun 4 10:08:40 2009 From: brent at air2data.com (Brent Wilkinson) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:09:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> As far as cable you are stuck with Comcast. As for phone you have choices there to go with qwest, mcloud, and a few others. Otherwise you need to look at a wireless solution through people like utahwisp. Thanks Brent Air2data From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Ricardo Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:05 AM To: sllug-members@sllug.org Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's I apologise for the slightly off topic question, but I know the people on this list will know the answer. I moved to the valley about a year ago into an old house (built in 1924) without a working phone jack. I've been using comcast cable and internet, but this month my 'promotions' ended and they are doubling my Cable/Internet bill. I could go off on an entire rant about treating your loyal customer like crap while sucking up to new customer, but I'll refrain. Are there any providers in the valley (specifically west valley) who provide internet service through the cable line like Comcast? Thanks --Shane Hansen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090604/af6938dd/attachment.htm From unum at unum5.org Thu Jun 4 10:14:11 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:14:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> Message-ID: <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> Brent Wilkinson wrote: > > As far as cable you are stuck with Comcast. As for phone you have > choices there to go with qwest, mcloud, and a few others. > > > > Otherwise you need to look at a wireless solution through people like > utahwisp. > > > Comcast does not allow other isps to use their lines. For other methods of connections XMission is an excellent ISP that I would strongly recommend. West Valley has started to roll out fiber: http://www.utopianet.org/service-area I would call up xmission and see if it's in your neighborhood. Kyle From dragen at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 10:14:42 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:14:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6902ba8e0906040914h3370424cte03a2ef08e6cd89c@mail.gmail.com> Comcast is the only cable option I know of in SLC/WVC. Not having a working phone lines simply means your provider will need to install one, or you will have to go wireless. I have personally had Qwest, Speakeasy, COVAD, XO, and other all install lines before and the experience, although not as easy as already having the lines, wasn't terrible, and it came with minimal cost to me (usually free). I would suggest not using Qwest directly, but instead using a company like Xmission, COVAD, or other DSL provider who will manager Qwest for you. My two cents. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Ricardo wrote: > I apologise for the slightly off topic question, but I know the people on > this list will know the answer. > > I moved to the valley about a year ago into an old house (built in 1924) > without a working phone jack. > I've been using comcast cable and internet, but this month my 'promotions' > ended and they are doubling > my Cable/Internet bill. I could go off on an entire rant about treating your > loyal customer like crap while > sucking up to new customer, but I'll refrain. > > Are there any providers in the valley (specifically west valley) who provide > internet service through the cable line like Comcast? > > Thanks > --Shane Hansen > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 10:37:09 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:37:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> Message-ID: <614c1080906040937x50e18779w963c4650276d808@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the quick responses. It looks like I have a few options with getting qwest/xmission to install the phone line for free (I'm pretty sure there is a line running into the house, there just aren't any phone jacks in the house.). --Shane On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kyle Waters wrote: > Brent Wilkinson wrote: > >> >> As far as cable you are stuck with Comcast. As for phone you have choices >> there to go with qwest, mcloud, and a few others. >> >> >> Otherwise you need to look at a wireless solution through people like >> utahwisp. >> >> >> > Comcast does not allow other isps to use their lines. For other methods of > connections XMission is an excellent ISP that I would strongly recommend. > West Valley has started to roll out fiber: > > http://www.utopianet.org/service-area > > I would call up xmission and see if it's in your neighborhood. > > Kyle > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090604/54eb474a/attachment.html From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 10:40:48 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:40:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906040940k34228798vb53c2b06926c0c07@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Kyle. Go to Utopianet.org and see if the part of WVC you are in is completed yet. Xmission is the best way to go too as far as a utopia ISP; 15Mbps up and down for $40/mo. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kyle Waters wrote: > Brent Wilkinson wrote: >> >> As far as cable you are stuck with Comcast. As for phone you have choices >> there to go with qwest, mcloud, and a few others. >> >> >> Otherwise you need to look at a wireless solution through people like >> utahwisp. >> >> > > Comcast does not allow other isps to use their lines. For other methods of > connections ?XMission is an excellent ISP that I would strongly recommend. > ?West Valley has started to roll out fiber: > > http://www.utopianet.org/service-area > > I would call up xmission and see if it's in your neighborhood. > > Kyle > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From lt.seejay at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 11:50:22 2009 From: lt.seejay at gmail.com (Jacob Adams) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:50:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been using xmission for about a year now and I've been really happy with their service. Up front, honest, and reliable. Their Linux mirror isn't too shabby either ;) Jake Adams On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Ricardo wrote: > I apologise for the slightly off topic question, but I know the > people on this list will know the answer. > > I moved to the valley about a year ago into an old house (built in > 1924) without a working phone jack. > I've been using comcast cable and internet, but this month my > 'promotions' ended and they are doubling > my Cable/Internet bill. I could go off on an entire rant about > treating your loyal customer like crap while > sucking up to new customer, but I'll refrain. > > Are there any providers in the valley (specifically west valley) who > provide internet service through the cable line like Comcast? > > Thanks > --Shane Hansen > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 11:50:47 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:50:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906040940k34228798vb53c2b06926c0c07@mail.gmail.com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> <2f932a4a0906040940k34228798vb53c2b06926c0c07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If not in a Utopia area, Digis is great! On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Justin Brinkerhoff < justinbrinkerhoff@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Kyle. Go to Utopianet.org and see if the part of WVC you > are in is completed yet. Xmission is the best way to go too as far as > a utopia ISP; 15Mbps up and down for $40/mo. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kyle Waters wrote: > > Brent Wilkinson wrote: > >> > >> As far as cable you are stuck with Comcast. As for phone you have > choices > >> there to go with qwest, mcloud, and a few others. > >> > >> > >> Otherwise you need to look at a wireless solution through people like > >> utahwisp. > >> > >> > > > > Comcast does not allow other isps to use their lines. For other methods > of > > connections XMission is an excellent ISP that I would strongly > recommend. > > West Valley has started to roll out fiber: > > > > http://www.utopianet.org/service-area > > > > I would call up xmission and see if it's in your neighborhood. > > > > Kyle > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kyle Waters wrote: > Brent Wilkinson wrote: >> >> As far as cable you are stuck with Comcast. As for phone you have choices >> there to go with qwest, mcloud, and a few others. >> >> >> Otherwise you need to look at a wireless solution through people like >> utahwisp. >> >> > > Comcast does not allow other isps to use their lines. For other methods of > connections XMission is an excellent ISP that I would strongly recommend. > West Valley has started to roll out fiber: > > http://www.utopianet.org/service-area > > I would call up xmission and see if it's in your neighborhood. > > Kyle > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090604/67bf73a8/attachment.html From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:30:30 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Jun 4 12:30:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <001701c9e541$c12bd500$43837f00$@com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> <2f932a4a0906040940k34228798vb53c2b06926c0c07@mail.gmail.com> <001701c9e541$c12bd500$43837f00$@com> Message-ID: I enjoyed it. The biggest prob was the daily bw cap, the metering sucks, But they have a new program where BW is capped monthly instead of daily, that works a lot better if like me you stream movies and get iso's frequently but not daily. Sincerely, Steve On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Brent Wilkinson wrote: > Is digis really that good? I have heard from multiple people that there > digis connection is a pain. They few times I have dealt with them were okay > but nothing to brag about. > > > > Thanks > > Brent > > > > If not in a Utopia area, Digis is great! > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Justin Brinkerhoff < > justinbrinkerhoff@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree with Kyle. Go to Utopianet.org and see if the part of WVC you > are in is completed yet. Xmission is the best way to go too as far as > a utopia ISP; 15Mbps up and down for $40/mo. > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kyle Waters wrote: > > > Brent Wilkinson wrote: > >> > >> As far as cable you are stuck with Comcast. As for phone you have > choices > >> there to go with qwest, mcloud, and a few others. > >> > >> > >> Otherwise you need to look at a wireless solution through people like > >> utahwisp. > >> > >> > > > > Comcast does not allow other isps to use their lines. For other methods > of > > connections XMission is an excellent ISP that I would strongly > recommend. > > West Valley has started to roll out fiber: > > > > http://www.utopianet.org/service-area > > > > I would call up xmission and see if it's in your neighborhood. > > > > Kyle > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090604/7327fcb4/attachment.htm From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:37:33 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Jun 4 12:37:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> <2f932a4a0906040940k34228798vb53c2b06926c0c07@mail.gmail.com> <001701c9e541$c12bd500$43837f00$@com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906041137w2a468959oe742c8dde65fcec@mail.gmail.com> It can be a good cheap alternative if you have the line of site to their radio towers (or directional antennas, can't remember which :P)... On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > I enjoyed it. > The biggest prob was the daily? bw cap, the metering sucks,? But they have a > new program where BW is capped monthly instead of daily, that works a lot > better if like me you stream movies and get iso's frequently but not daily. > > Sincerely, > Steve > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Brent Wilkinson wrote: >> >> Is digis really that good? I have heard from multiple people that there >> digis connection is a pain. They few times I have dealt with them were okay >> but nothing to brag about. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Brent >> >> >> >> If not in a Utopia area, Digis is great! >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Justin Brinkerhoff >> wrote: >> >> I agree with Kyle. Go to Utopianet.org and see if the part of WVC you >> are in is completed yet. Xmission is the best way to go too as far as >> a utopia ISP; 15Mbps up and down for $40/mo. >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kyle Waters wrote: >> >> > Brent Wilkinson wrote: >> >> >> >> As far as cable you are stuck with Comcast. As for phone you have >> >> choices >> >> there to go with qwest, mcloud, and a few others. >> >> >> >> >> >> Otherwise you need to look at a wireless solution through people like >> >> utahwisp. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Comcast does not allow other isps to use their lines. For other methods >> > of >> > connections ?XMission is an excellent ISP that I would strongly >> > recommend. >> > ?West Valley has started to roll out fiber: >> > >> > http://www.utopianet.org/service-area >> > >> > I would call up xmission and see if it's in your neighborhood. >> > >> > Kyle >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From beebe at math.utah.edu Thu Jun 4 13:27:19 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:28:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Unix 40th birthday... Message-ID: ComputerWorld online today carries a long article in honor of the 40th birthday of Unix, which happened sometime in the last three months: Unix turns 40: The past, present and future of a revolutionary OS http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5193143/419952/195043/0/ Too bad Brian Kernighan got forgotten by the article author; Brian, and his friends P.J. (Bill) Plauger and Rob Pike, are the great book authors who introduced many people to Unix and C. One of the useful links in the story is to a history chart: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.png ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kd7nyq at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 16:24:38 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:24:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Unix 40th birthday... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79c119390906041524l2a46a6car98bac9891846b92d@mail.gmail.com> > ComputerWorld online today carries a long article in honor of the > 40th birthday of Unix, which happened sometime in the last three months: > > ? ? ? ?Unix turns 40: The past, present and future of a revolutionary OS > ? ? ? ?http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5193143/419952/195043/0/ > That was awesome. From ewfalor at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 16:50:53 2009 From: ewfalor at gmail.com (Erik Falor) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:51:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:50:22AM -0600, Jacob Adams wrote: > I've been using xmission for about a year now and I've been really happy > with their service. Up front, honest, and reliable. Their Linux mirror > isn't too shabby either ;) > > Jake Adams > I'd love to be a loyal Xmission customer, but the phone lines in my neighborhood are too old for DSL, and Utopia isn't doing any construction in WVC this year :( -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 17:00:20 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:00:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> They take a year off this year? That's freaking lame! :P Bureaucrats anyway! On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Erik Falor wrote: > On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:50:22AM -0600, Jacob Adams wrote: >> I've been using xmission for about a year now and I've been really happy >> with their service. Up front, honest, and reliable. Their Linux mirror >> isn't too shabby either ;) >> >> Jake Adams >> > > I'd love to be a loyal Xmission customer, but the phone lines in my > neighborhood are too old for DSL, and Utopia isn't doing any > construction in WVC this year :( > > -- > Erik Falor > Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From u235sentinel at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 17:15:25 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:15:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <001701c9e541$c12bd500$43837f00$@com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <007301c9e52e$bb719810$3254c830$@com> <4A27F2D3.6010506@unum5.org> <2f932a4a0906040940k34228798vb53c2b06926c0c07@mail.gmail.com> <001701c9e541$c12bd500$43837f00$@com> Message-ID: <4A28558D.8060300@gmail.com> Any truth to this? We've been looking for something in West Jordan better than 1.5 DSL. Utopia is a pipe dream and Concast is.. well...there's a reason they are the second most hated company in America you know ;-) Brent Wilkinson wrote: > > Is digis really that good? I have heard from multiple people that > there digis connection is a pain. They few times I have dealt with > them were okay but nothing to brag about. > > > > Thanks > > Brent > > > > If not in a Utopia area, Digis is great! > > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Jun 4 18:23:09 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:23:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> my experience is that there is nothing in this valley for private residence that is as fast or reliable as Comcast. yes, the price is high, but there is no second place. jack On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 17:00 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > They take a year off this year? That's freaking lame! :P > > Bureaucrats anyway! > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Erik Falor wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:50:22AM -0600, Jacob Adams wrote: > >> I've been using xmission for about a year now and I've been really happy > >> with their service. Up front, honest, and reliable. Their Linux mirror > >> isn't too shabby either ;) > >> > >> Jake Adams > >> > > > > I'd love to be a loyal Xmission customer, but the phone lines in my > > neighborhood are too old for DSL, and Utopia isn't doing any > > construction in WVC this year :( > > > > -- > > Erik Falor > > Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090604/eccfbc9d/attachment.htm From sjr3t2 at retznest.com Thu Jun 4 19:09:44 2009 From: sjr3t2 at retznest.com (Steven Retz) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:09:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: Xmission is very reliable, I might have a problem with them once every two months. I feel XMission is more honest then comcast. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 PM, jack User wrote: > my experience is that there is nothing in this valley for private residence > that is as fast or reliable as Comcast. yes, the price is high, but there is > no second place. > jack > > > On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 17:00 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > They take a year off this year? That's freaking lame! :P > > Bureaucrats anyway! > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Erik Falor wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:50:22AM -0600, Jacob Adams wrote: > >> I've been using xmission for about a year now and I've been really happy > >> with their service. Up front, honest, and reliable. Their Linux mirror > >> isn't too shabby either ;) > >> > >> Jake Adams > >> > > > > I'd love to be a loyal Xmission customer, but the phone lines in my > > neighborhood are too old for DSL, and Utopia isn't doing any > > construction in WVC this year :( > > > > -- > > Erik Falor > > Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utahsllug-members@sllug.orghttp://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.netchannel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090604/2a690541/attachment.htm From u235sentinel at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 19:22:55 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:23:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <4A28736F.1020700@gmail.com> jack User wrote: > my experience is that there is nothing in this valley for private > residence that is as fast or reliable as Comcast. yes, the price is > high, but there is no second place. > jack > > And when it comes to abusing it's customers, they rank up there at first place in my book :-) Welcome to a world of abuse. Now sit down and enjoy :-) From u235sentinel at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 19:23:49 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:24:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <4A2873A5.5090905@gmail.com> Steven Retz wrote: > Xmission is very reliable, I might have a problem with them once every > two months. I feel XMission is more honest then comcast. > At least you know what you are buying with Concast (now). Xmission never needed to resort to deception when it comes to dealing with their customers. Concast can learn a lot from these guys. From kd7nyq at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 19:27:38 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:27:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <4A28736F.1020700@gmail.com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A28736F.1020700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390906041827s1cbb58d5l613ccc93ca04a4dc@mail.gmail.com> > Welcome to a world of abuse. ?Now sit down and enjoy :-) No! Not the Comfy Chair! From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 20:12:15 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:12:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <79c119390906041827s1cbb58d5l613ccc93ca04a4dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A28736F.1020700@gmail.com> <79c119390906041827s1cbb58d5l613ccc93ca04a4dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906041912s604164f9sa6f3b0c55b77c8a4@mail.gmail.com> LOL nice. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: >> Welcome to a world of abuse. ?Now sit down and enjoy :-) > > No! ?Not the Comfy Chair! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From bms at mscis.org Thu Jun 4 23:08:28 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:08:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Lossless jpg operations Message-ID: <4A28A84C.6050902@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Some operations on jpg files can be done lossless-ly. Rotating is one of them. I've used gwenview for what I think is lossless jpg operations since when I rotate images, they do not change in file size at all when other applications, such as Gimp will change the file size. I've run into a problem though. When I look at my camera images, gwenview auto-rotates them from the exif data. Most other programs do not do this auto-rotation, including Gallery, which I use to put the pictures on the web. I'd prefer to not let gwenview rotate the images so I can fix the file so all apps can see the picture the right way. However, gwenview does not seem to have a setting for it. Actually, gwenview has almost nothing in the settings I can configure - - at least through the gui, only background color, transparent background, and mouse wheel behavior. There may be a way to manually configure it in ~/.kde4/share/config/gwenviewrc , but that still leaves me with a problem. If I rotate the file, the exif data may then throw off apps that still use the exif information. Now my question: Is there a simple Linux tool that lets me losslessly rotate a camera image, and change the exif 'orientation' tag - hopefully at once? I'd like it to be in the gui, because I don't see much use in changing from a gui, which I need to see the picture in the first place, to a terminal to run a command, then back to a gui which would then need a refresh. However, if cli is the only way, I'll give it a try. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkooqEsACgkQx0pgn74qrcLjbACfVNcu5kLKH9dnz3BcGC1WgfgT BQ4AniU/KaBAoXFTv2amKTTVlTk66YGz =QM8K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From namonai at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 06:57:22 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Fri Jun 5 06:57:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <847993120906050557j194f4136gb7cd7e61f91c1af8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Steven Retz wrote: > Xmission is very reliable, I might have a problem with them once every two > months.? I feel XMission is more honest then comcast. Plus XMission gives you a static IP and a free DNS entry. If you buy XMission 12 months at a time, it's pretty darn cheap. -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From namonai at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 09:17:43 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Fri Jun 5 09:17:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Unix 40th birthday... In-Reply-To: <79c119390906041524l2a46a6car98bac9891846b92d@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390906041524l2a46a6car98bac9891846b92d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <847993120906050817q3b97516dh351a91d8702c1d91@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > That was awesome. Seconded! The first UNIX-ish system I ever used was through borrowing (ahem) time on the University's NeXT systems. They had named the boxes after demons, and the primary box was Howland. About 5 years later, I installed Slackware on my Pentium 133 system and logged in as 'root'. That was a great day. My CS professor all but required us to use Linux. -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From unum at unum5.org Fri Jun 5 09:26:00 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Fri Jun 5 09:26:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <4A293908.4030200@unum5.org> jack User wrote: > my experience is that there is nothing in this valley for private > residence that is as fast or reliable as Comcast. yes, the price is > high, but there is no second place. > jack > I have Comcast at home and UTOPIA at work. I should be able to switch to UTOPIA at home soon and plan to that ASAP. It is faster and more reliable. Back when I was using a Comcast Commercial account for important stuff(I rarely us it now). I was losing my connection at least once a month(for an hour or more,I would have brief outages daily). One time a local contractor came by and disconnected it and accused me of stealing it. Took me three days to get it plugged back in. I have several more horror stories. They are the fastest after UTOPIA. But I doubt they are the most reliable. In fact I would think they would be the least reliable. Even the commercial accounts are overly restrictive on what they allow. Kyle From remo at italy1.com Fri Jun 5 10:04:20 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Jun 5 10:04:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <4A293908.4030200@unum5.org> Message-ID: I got comcast commercial and it's ok however I notice a friend of mine has this account as well and it's way faster than what I have still both have 16megs download. I do not think I get UTOPIA on Draper yet.. Too bad.. Ciao Remo On 6/5/09 9:26 AM, "Kyle Waters" wrote: > jack User wrote: >> my experience is that there is nothing in this valley for private >> residence that is as fast or reliable as Comcast. yes, the price is >> high, but there is no second place. >> jack >> > I have Comcast at home and UTOPIA at work. I should be able to switch > to UTOPIA at home soon and plan to that ASAP. It is faster and more > reliable. Back when I was using a Comcast Commercial account for > important stuff(I rarely us it now). I was losing my connection at > least once a month(for an hour or more,I would have brief outages > daily). One time a local contractor came by and disconnected it and > accused me of stealing it. Took me three days to get it plugged back > in. I have several more horror stories. They are the fastest after > UTOPIA. But I doubt they are the most reliable. In fact I would think > they would be the least reliable. Even the commercial accounts are > overly restrictive on what they allow. > > Kyle > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:4a2939fc295791792581680! > From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Fri Jun 5 10:13:51 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Fri Jun 5 10:14:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Unix 40th birthday... In-Reply-To: <847993120906050817q3b97516dh351a91d8702c1d91@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390906041524l2a46a6car98bac9891846b92d@mail.gmail.com> <847993120906050817q3b97516dh351a91d8702c1d91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1244218431.3792.43.camel@matt4> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 09:17 -0600, Craig Kelley wrote: > Seconded! > The first UNIX-ish system I ever used was through borrowing (ahem) > time on the University's NeXT systems. They had named the boxes after > demons, and the primary box was Howland. About 5 years later, I > installed Slackware on my Pentium 133 system and logged in as 'root'. > That was a great day. My CS professor all but required us to use > Linux. Ditto! My first Unix experience was using nroff on HPUX on an HP-3000 at the Utah Liquor Control Commission where I was a law clerk circa 1983. It was nice, but Unix on micros was much better. That would come some years later with Minix on a 286, about 1991. Yes, that first root prompt was very cool. But my most vivid "WOW!" experience was dialing a local-call San Jose BBS (remember those?) with a new-to-me 2400 bps modem (twice as fast!), typing the magic incantation "ftp vaxxa.helsinki.fi" (IIRC) and browsing a disk directory for a machine on the other side of the world. That was really trippy. I didn't join the Linux ranks until 1993, when I got a 16 MHz 386-SX computer. That new 386 chip was ridiculously expensive-- all those extra 32-bit traces, I guess. When the SX came out, with 16-bit IO, the prices dropped dramatically. About 5 bogomips was all I could get. -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From dave at thesmithfam.org Fri Jun 5 13:55:13 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:55:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley Message-ID: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> SLLUGers: I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best employer in Salt Lake County and why? Looking forward to your response. --Dave From sdmorrey at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 14:05:08 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Fri Jun 5 14:05:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: LDS Church, decent pay, great folks and of course there's the view from the windows. :) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote: > SLLUGers: > > I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best > employer in Salt Lake County and why? > > Looking forward to your response. > > --Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090605/10fddb91/attachment.htm From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 14:38:21 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Fri Jun 5 14:38:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> Backcountry.com, decent pay, hard core outdoor people, hard core engineers, the view in park city ain't to shabby either. --Shane Hansen Backcountry.com On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > LDS Church, decent pay, great folks and of course there's the view from the > windows. :) > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote: > >> SLLUGers: >> >> I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best >> employer in Salt Lake County and why? >> >> Looking forward to your response. >> >> --Dave >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090605/f4b954b4/attachment.html From travis.fisher at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 15:14:41 2009 From: travis.fisher at gmail.com (Travis & Melody Fisher) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:14:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> I'll vote for Backcountry.com too. I don't work there but I would given the chance. But if you're not an outdoors kinda guy it might not be as much of a bennefit to you. ?Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful.? Warren Buffett. Chairman, Berkshire Hathaway On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Ricardo wrote: > Backcountry.com, decent pay, hard core outdoor people, hard core engineers, > the view in park city ain't to shabby either. > --Shane Hansen > Backcountry.com > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > >> LDS Church, decent pay, great folks and of course there's the view from >> the windows. :) >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >> >>> SLLUGers: >>> >>> I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best >>> employer in Salt Lake County and why? >>> >>> Looking forward to your response. >>> >>> --Dave >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090605/70095f59/attachment.htm From allen.schultz at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 15:27:29 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:27:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <3f34f8420906051427t7c753297td39a1e08dd440e6@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > LDS Church, decent pay, great folks and of course there's the view from the > windows.? :) And for non-LDS members? Allen -- Allen Schultz pub 3072R/DAD4736B 2009-05-20 Key fingerprint = 16AD EFE1 D68F C8A8 B086 68CD 1A35 85C7 DAD4 736B uid Allen Schultz (aldaek) uid [jpeg image of size 6128] sub 2048R/F55651E0 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] sub 2048R/5687B83E 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 15:31:12 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:31:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Travis & Melody Fisher wrote: > I'll vote for Backcountry.com too. I don't work there but I would given the > chance. But if you're not an outdoors kinda guy it might not be as much of a > bennefit to you. > > > ?Be fearful when others are greedy. > Be greedy when others are fearful.? > > Warren Buffett. Chairman, Berkshire Hathaway > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Ricardo wrote: >> >> Backcountry.com, decent pay, hard core outdoor people, hard core >> engineers, >> the view in park city ain't to shabby either. >> --Shane Hansen >> Backcountry.com >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: >>> >>> LDS Church, decent pay, great folks and of course there's the view from >>> the windows.? :) >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> SLLUGers: >>>> >>>> I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best >>>> employer in Salt Lake County and why? >>>> >>>> Looking forward to your response. >>>> > I just landed a job at backcountry.com. This is my first week and so far I love it. I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with configuration management. It includes tons of cool open source stuffs. The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto I've been hearing around the office :) Cheers, Clint From jfolsom at scl.utah.edu Fri Jun 5 15:48:23 2009 From: jfolsom at scl.utah.edu (Jeff Folsom) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:41:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> Clint Savage wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Travis & Melody > Fisher wrote: > >> I'll vote for Backcountry.com too. I don't work there but I would given the >> chance. But if you're not an outdoors kinda guy it might not be as much of a >> bennefit to you. >> >> >> ?Be fearful when others are greedy. >> Be greedy when others are fearful.? >> >> Warren Buffett. Chairman, Berkshire Hathaway >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Ricardo wrote: >> >>> Backcountry.com, decent pay, hard core outdoor people, hard core >>> engineers, >>> the view in park city ain't to shabby either. >>> --Shane Hansen >>> Backcountry.com >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: >>> >>>> LDS Church, decent pay, great folks and of course there's the view from >>>> the windows. :) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> SLLUGers: >>>>> >>>>> I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best >>>>> employer in Salt Lake County and why? >>>>> >>>>> Looking forward to your response. >>>>> >>>>> > > I just landed a job at backcountry.com. This is my first week and so > far I love it. I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with > configuration management. It includes tons of cool open source > stuffs. The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto > I've been hearing around the office :) > > Cheers, > > Clint > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > My neighbor works for backcountry.com, I don't think she does IT though.... Say high to Marin, if you know her ;) Jeff Folsom From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 15:49:30 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:49:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> Message-ID: >> I just landed a job at backcountry.com. ?This is my first week and so >> far I love it. ?I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with >> configuration management. ?It includes tons of cool open source >> stuffs. ?The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto >> I've been hearing around the office :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Clint >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > > My neighbor works for backcountry.com, I don't think she does IT though.... > Say high to Marin, if you know her ;) > > > Jeff Folsom > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > It sounds like a pretty cool job From thatch45 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 16:08:27 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:08:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> Message-ID: <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> I just quit backcountry to work at AST, I think it is a far better job. Course, I am not an outdoors guy. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Jeff Shipley wrote: > >> I just landed a job at backcountry.com. This is my first week and so > >> far I love it. I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with > >> configuration management. It includes tons of cool open source > >> stuffs. The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto > >> I've been hearing around the office :) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Clint > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > > > > My neighbor works for backcountry.com, I don't think she does IT > though.... > > Say high to Marin, if you know her ;) > > > > > > Jeff Folsom > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > It sounds like a pretty cool job > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090605/acc123bb/attachment.html From u235sentinel at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 16:31:45 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:32:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <4A293908.4030200@unum5.org> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A293908.4030200@unum5.org> Message-ID: <4A299CD1.2080609@gmail.com> Kyle Waters wrote: > jack User wrote: >> my experience is that there is nothing in this valley for private >> residence that is as fast or reliable as Comcast. yes, the price is >> high, but there is no second place. >> jack > It's been floated that we may be interested in looking at switching to Utopia at work. I'm encouraging it and we'll see how well it works out. I'm hopeful. A few have suggested going with Concast Business however the story about them terminating customers for overuse has also passed around and the idea of going with Concast quickly died. Power to the People man :D From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 16:42:54 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:43:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Jeff Shipley wrote: >> >> >> I just landed a job at backcountry.com. This is my first week and so >> >> far I love it. I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with >> >> configuration management. It includes tons of cool open source >> >> stuffs. The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto >> >> I've been hearing around the office :) >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Clint On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > I just quit backcountry to work at AST, I think it is a far better job. > Course, I am not an outdoors guy. You would say that! But there is another great company to work for that's better than either of the above. That's Guru Labs. I loved working there. Had I not been laid off, I would still be working there. I'm quite certain they aren't hiring right now, but when they are, that's a job I'd go back to... Cheers, Clint From thatch45 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 16:49:04 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:49:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0906051549j2de99ca9o25c187a07323ba50@mail.gmail.com> Guru Labs may have been the best job I could have ever had! Although I LOVE working at AST On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Jeff Shipley > wrote: > >> > >> >> I just landed a job at backcountry.com. This is my first week and > so > >> >> far I love it. I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with > >> >> configuration management. It includes tons of cool open source > >> >> stuffs. The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto > >> >> I've been hearing around the office :) > >> >> > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> > >> >> Clint > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > > I just quit backcountry to work at AST, I think it is a far better job. > > Course, I am not an outdoors guy. > > You would say that! > > But there is another great company to work for that's better than > either of the above. That's Guru Labs. > > I loved working there. Had I not been laid off, I would still be > working there. I'm quite certain they aren't hiring right now, but > when they are, that's a job I'd go back to... > > Cheers, > > Clint > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090605/27eda585/attachment.htm From remo at italy1.com Fri Jun 5 16:50:05 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:50:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Trend Micro (remote office in UT). Superb ciao On 6/5/09 4:42 PM, "Clint Savage" wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Jeff Shipley wrote: >>> >>>>> I just landed a job at backcountry.com. This is my first week and so >>>>> far I love it. I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with >>>>> configuration management. It includes tons of cool open source >>>>> stuffs. The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto >>>>> I've been hearing around the office :) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Clint > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: >> I just quit backcountry to work at AST, I think it is a far better job. >> Course, I am not an outdoors guy. > > You would say that! > > But there is another great company to work for that's better than > either of the above. That's Guru Labs. > > I loved working there. Had I not been laid off, I would still be > working there. I'm quite certain they aren't hiring right now, but > when they are, that's a job I'd go back to... > > Cheers, > > Clint > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:4a29a090327301527717022! > From kd7nyq at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 16:56:04 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:56:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390906051556q51163826s101fbe7499d563e4@mail.gmail.com> Just to put in my two cents, I work at ACS, Inc. They have several locations in the valley, but their HQ is in Texas. Despite having a bad rap from their call centers (everyone hates call centers, anyway), the IT staff gets treated reasonably well. Not too much work, reasonable pay, and flexible hours. It could just be my department, though. I've never worked in a small to mid sized, high energy, revolutionary company, so... From what I'm hearing I'd say this is on the 'tolerable' end. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Clint Savage wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Jeff Shipley wrote: >>> >>> >> I just landed a job at backcountry.com. ?This is my first week and so >>> >> far I love it. ?I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with >>> >> configuration management. ?It includes tons of cool open source >>> >> stuffs. ?The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto >>> >> I've been hearing around the office :) >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> >>> >> Clint > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: >> I just quit backcountry to work at AST, I think it is a far better job. >> Course, I am not an outdoors guy. > > You would say that! > > But there is another great company to work for that's better than > either of the above. ?That's Guru Labs. > > I loved working there. ?Had I not been laid off, I would still be > working there. ?I'm quite certain they aren't hiring right now, but > when they are, that's a job I'd go back to... > > Cheers, > > Clint > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Jun 5 17:22:09 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:22:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain><4A293908.4030200@unum5.org> <4A299CD1.2080609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F15BAFFBE774F9EA510B2E8AA1B2295@selfdpwombyjse> is utopia cable? ----- Original Message ----- From: "u235sentinel" To: "Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's > Kyle Waters wrote: >> jack User wrote: >>> my experience is that there is nothing in this valley for private >>> residence that is as fast or reliable as Comcast. yes, the price is >>> high, but there is no second place. >>> jack >> > It's been floated that we may be interested in looking at switching to > Utopia at work. I'm encouraging it and we'll see how well it works > out. I'm hopeful. > > A few have suggested going with Concast Business however the story about > them terminating customers for overuse has also passed around and the > idea of going with Concast quickly died. > > Power to the People man :D > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From zspecialk at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:09:13 2009 From: zspecialk at gmail.com (Scott K) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:09:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <0F15BAFFBE774F9EA510B2E8AA1B2295@selfdpwombyjse> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A293908.4030200@unum5.org> <4A299CD1.2080609@gmail.com> <0F15BAFFBE774F9EA510B2E8AA1B2295@selfdpwombyjse> Message-ID: <90cf3c3d0906051709q51bd7e12tce80b757059b38d4@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jack wrote: > is utopia cable? > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=utopia+in+utah From allen.schultz at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:14:41 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:14:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0906051549j2de99ca9o25c187a07323ba50@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> <6172c17e0906051549j2de99ca9o25c187a07323ba50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f34f8420906051714k4857cabh14dc88acea8ee349@mail.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > Guru Labs may have been the best job I could have ever had! > > Although I LOVE working at AST I might think about either of those places when they hire again. AST? There are several different companies. Can you narrow down my search more, please? Thank you. Allen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.72 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJKKbTzAAoJEMNyjCz1VlHgqeoIAJ4raAl8r8dRsE8Fkd/mnTln Qz4GvNKQhcI0fQ6foBAC7gbYlyzEOtpXvl6TOyFjCNbAsGQJfr+OeYJbgsQIfGbi 0C5cafai+myIImmQl+3CJj1jFn3wyNwoOOCIseZvjeX+95JLgfy0qv06o2yY5b5s blYehsQ0Yq5l8PT5QWLMQLRaSjFpQc6ppa1uxQIbF+Hp4ihx2SOfL1iH5fmsNvAT fE7sHxa6DUxneUMbIHwTP5DhKcfmBhaAtL+zGHf2+MuJU0wHSWC+Wf6a8lzB2UAQ kunXe+O22CnZibf8ERk8eYi2hWBey9jMpgBF+B1qXionEWeisfFpuzHw9uMno1M= =/DFl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Allen Schultz pub 3072R/DAD4736B 2009-05-20 Key fingerprint = 16AD EFE1 D68F C8A8 B086 68CD 1A35 85C7 DAD4 736B uid Allen Schultz (aldaek) uid [jpeg image of size 6128] sub 2048R/F55651E0 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] sub 2048R/5687B83E 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] From thatch45 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:44:56 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:45:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <3f34f8420906051714k4857cabh14dc88acea8ee349@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> <6172c17e0906051549j2de99ca9o25c187a07323ba50@mail.gmail.com> <3f34f8420906051714k4857cabh14dc88acea8ee349@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0906051744k77f9e272o556de47dca6db26e@mail.gmail.com> www.appsig.com They are hiring if you are interested :) -Tom Hatch On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Allen Schultz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Thomas S > Hatch wrote: > > Guru Labs may have been the best job I could have ever had! > > > > Although I LOVE working at AST > > I might think about either of those places when they hire again. > AST? There are several different companies. Can you narrow down > my search more, please? > > Thank you. > > Allen > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.72 > > iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJKKbTzAAoJEMNyjCz1VlHgqeoIAJ4raAl8r8dRsE8Fkd/mnTln > Qz4GvNKQhcI0fQ6foBAC7gbYlyzEOtpXvl6TOyFjCNbAsGQJfr+OeYJbgsQIfGbi > 0C5cafai+myIImmQl+3CJj1jFn3wyNwoOOCIseZvjeX+95JLgfy0qv06o2yY5b5s > blYehsQ0Yq5l8PT5QWLMQLRaSjFpQc6ppa1uxQIbF+Hp4ihx2SOfL1iH5fmsNvAT > fE7sHxa6DUxneUMbIHwTP5DhKcfmBhaAtL+zGHf2+MuJU0wHSWC+Wf6a8lzB2UAQ > kunXe+O22CnZibf8ERk8eYi2hWBey9jMpgBF+B1qXionEWeisfFpuzHw9uMno1M= > =/DFl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Allen Schultz > pub 3072R/DAD4736B 2009-05-20 > Key fingerprint = 16AD EFE1 D68F C8A8 B086 68CD 1A35 85C7 DAD4 736B > uid Allen Schultz (aldaek) > uid [jpeg image of size 6128] > sub 2048R/F55651E0 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] > sub 2048R/5687B83E 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090605/eeb42aff/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Jun 5 19:45:52 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Fri Jun 5 19:46:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Local ISP's In-Reply-To: <90cf3c3d0906051709q51bd7e12tce80b757059b38d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <614c1080906040905k404dfa64w770f41191f8694c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090604225051.GB3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906041600m7a19d5b9u123077af032d9be8@mail.gmail.com> <1244161389.6523.32.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A293908.4030200@unum5.org> <4A299CD1.2080609@gmail.com> <0F15BAFFBE774F9EA510B2E8AA1B2295@selfdpwombyjse> <90cf3c3d0906051709q51bd7e12tce80b757059b38d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1244252752.6691.132.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thanks jack On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 18:09 -0600, Scott K wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jack wrote: > > is utopia cable? > > > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=utopia+in+utah > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From u235sentinel at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 20:20:21 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:20:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <4A29D265.2000309@gmail.com> Steven Morrey wrote: > LDS Church, decent pay, great folks and of course there's the view > from the windows. :) > The pay is ok there. I'm making far more having left the LDS Church than while working there. That didn't sound right ;-) From bferg81 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 21:25:02 2009 From: bferg81 at gmail.com (bferg81@gmail.com) Date: Fri Jun 5 21:22:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A29E18E.2050402@gmail.com> I haven't really ever posted on here but decided I might throw in my cent or two... I too just left Backcountry.com. (There's a bunch of us on here that are currently and previously employed by BC...) I would never go back under the current IT management. I'm now with Omniture. Though its not in the Salt Lake Valley its close enough and it kicks the pants off that other place. All the open source you can dream of and more. Solid technologies. Solid engineers. Solid technical leaders. Solid global industry. Not to mention a management team that actually cares about their employees and their families--not just their company/employee "hard core" image. And if you're wondering, I am a big outdoorsy guy. P.S. Hi Tom! Glad to hear you're new gig is going so well. -Ferg- Thomas S Hatch wrote: > I just quit backcountry to work at AST, I think it is a far better > job. Course, I am not an outdoors guy. > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Jeff Shipley > wrote: > > >> I just landed a job at backcountry.com > . This is my first week and so > >> far I love it. I am a Sr. Sysadmin and have been charged with > >> configuration management. It includes tons of cool open source > >> stuffs. The people here work hard and play hard, that's the motto > >> I've been hearing around the office :) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Clint > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > > > > My neighbor works for backcountry.com , > I don't think she does IT though.... > > Say high to Marin, if you know her ;) > > > > > > Jeff Folsom > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > It sounds like a pretty cool job > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 21:38:50 2009 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Fri Jun 5 21:38:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <4A29E18E.2050402@gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> <4A29E18E.2050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:25 PM, bferg81@gmail.com wrote: > I too just left Backcountry.com. ?(There's a bunch of us on here that > are currently and previously employed by BC...) ?I would never go back > under the current IT management. Hey ferg! I wasn't really going to say anything, but you did open the door. As such, I do believe I will walk through in true skruger fashion. I was with Backcountry for 2 years. When I started it was a place where you could speak your mind and it could lead to an open and honest discussion about the technologies at play. During my time there it became a place where you had to be careful what you said and who you upset lest you lose your job. I have too many friends who were unhappy there and left or who are still unhappy there. I cannot recommend it to anyone. Shaun PS: That's just the IT department. I can't speak for quality of life for the developers. From bms at mscis.org Fri Jun 5 23:19:12 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Fri Jun 5 23:19:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0906051549j2de99ca9o25c187a07323ba50@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> <6172c17e0906051549j2de99ca9o25c187a07323ba50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A29FC50.6050709@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thomas S Hatch wrote: > Guru Labs may have been the best job I could have ever had! I have to add my vote to Guru Labs. Everything about it was awesome. The only downside is the same you'll get with any small company with less than 50 or so people: The insurance will be fine unless something big happens. I loved every person who worked there, and the managers are the best. When considering the best jobs in the valley, you should also consider at least their medical benefits. I can't emphasize the need for good insurance enough. If you have insurance at any small company, take a good look at the insurance it has. With most of them, (I've researched this with several companies I interviewed with over a few months), you should get something secondary. One big thing can bankrupt you. Let me emphasize that this didn't happen to me, but it could have. Fortunately we were on very good insurance when we found out about my wife's brain tumor. On good insurance I paid about a thousand dollars for the first surgery my wife had on her brain. The insurance paid over $100,000. That was all the bills combined, and just for the one surgery - there were other expensive things as well. If I had insurance that most small companies have, I would have had to pay several thousand, and the chemo after that would have broken us more. Before you decide the insurance is good enough, take a good look at the prescription coverage. With good insurance, the chemo cost us $40 per month. With other insurance it cost us over $600. Blood thinners also get very expensive. Any prescription plan that doesn't have a maximum co-pay at around $40 can really break you fast. I am not knocking on small companies. There's nothing wrong with working for a small company - I think they are often the best jobs. Just make sure you are covered. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkop/FAACgkQx0pgn74qrcIhqACghixxefRG/lEDzJFYGnHLeqol LaoAnA/EBTL0g+X2NAPJbfrWfFZgvq+2 =B4oL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Sat Jun 6 10:13:52 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Sat Jun 6 10:13:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Unix 40th birthday... In-Reply-To: <1244218431.3792.43.camel@matt4> References: <79c119390906041524l2a46a6car98bac9891846b92d@mail.gmail.com><847993120906050817q3b97516dh351a91d8702c1d91@mail.gmail.com><1244218431.3792.43.camel@matt4> Message-ID: <1244304832.25471.1319098589@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 "Matt Warnock"wrote: > My first Unix experience was using nroff on HPUX on an HP-3000 at the > Utah Liquor Control Commission where I was a law clerk circa 1983. What seems amazing to me now is not that it has been 26 years since I first sat in front of a terminal to a VAX 11/780 running (IIRC) 4.1 BSD as a college freshman in 1983....... but rather that Unix was, at THAT time, still only 14 years old! Perspective on time sure changes as you get older... > But my most vivid "WOW!" experience was dialing a local-call San Jose > BBS .... typing the magic incantation "ftp vaxxa.helsinki.fi" (IIRC) > and browsing a disk directory for a machine on the other side of the > world. That was really trippy. Yes.... for me this came 4 years later in grad school.... mine was telnet and it was only from Stony Brook (Long Island) to (IIRC) Rutgers in NJ -- only maybe 100 miles(?), but still it was pretty exciting :-) > I didn't join the Linux ranks until 1993, when I got a 16 MHz 386-SX > computer. I started toying around in the mid-90s, but it took me till early 2000s before Linux was mature enough that things mostly Just Worked that lazy me was able to actually start using it as my working OS :-/ Dave From herlo1 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 10:43:05 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat Jun 6 10:43:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime SIG: IPTables Basics, Same Bat Time, New BetaLoft Location Message-ID: Hi all, I?ve been a bit quiet about the SLLUG Daytime SIG meeting this month. That?s because I?ve been trying to decide whether we should continue to meet at the Salt Lake Public Library. While the library is a nice place to meet, I learned about a great new business opening up this month called BetaLoft. Last Tuesday, I visited BetaLoft and its founder Andrew Tyler has put together quite a nice facility for the first coworking location in Salt Lake City. Located right downtown near traxx and the Gateway, it?s very convenient (and free) parking on the streets to the east and west, make this place a great location for our SLLUG Daytime SIG meeting. Due to this change, and the short notice of the change, I will try to send out a few reminders between now and Wednesday. Our normal meeting time 11:30am-1pm is still set. BetaLoft has some great conference facilities, plus they have a big flat screen tv for Rock Band. So it should be a blast! So where is BetaLoft, you ask? Here?s the information: BetaLoft 357 W 200 S, Suite 201 (in the same building as Aculis) (map) Salt Lake City, Utah 84101 Now that the new location is decided, please come on down to our new digs and learn about IPTables. Kevin Benko has prepared a presentation on the basics of IPTables. For those of you who were discussing this on the mailing list, this is your opportunity to come and have the discussion. Cheers, Herlo From jakea at xmission.com Sat Jun 6 12:59:47 2009 From: jakea at xmission.com (Jacob Albretsen) Date: Sat Jun 6 12:59:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906061259.47645.jakea@xmission.com> On Friday 05 June 2009, Clint Savage wrote: > But there is another great company to work for that's better than > either of the above. That's Guru Labs. > > I loved working there. Had I not been laid off, I would still be > working there. I'm quite certain they aren't hiring right now, but > when they are, that's a job I'd go back to... Another thumbs up for Guru Labs. In the six months I was there before being laid off at the same time as Clint, I learned a TON. What I learned at Guru Labs helped me land the job I have now. - Jake From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 13:56:41 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Jun 6 13:56:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime SIG: IPTables Basics, Same Bat Time, New BetaLoft Location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: COOL! On 6/6/09, Clint Savage wrote: > Hi all, > > I?ve been a bit quiet about the SLLUG Daytime SIG meeting this month. > That?s because I?ve been trying to decide whether we should continue > to meet at the Salt Lake Public Library. While the library is a nice > place to meet, I learned about a great new business opening up this > month called BetaLoft. Last Tuesday, I visited BetaLoft and its > founder Andrew Tyler has put together quite a nice facility for the > first coworking location in Salt Lake City. Located right downtown > near traxx and the Gateway, it?s very convenient (and free) parking on > the streets to the east and west, make this place a great location for > our SLLUG Daytime SIG meeting. > > Due to this change, and the short notice of the change, I will try to > send out a few reminders between now and Wednesday. Our normal > meeting time 11:30am-1pm is still set. BetaLoft has some great > conference facilities, plus they have a big flat screen tv for Rock > Band. So it should be a blast! > > So where is BetaLoft, you ask? Here?s the information: > > BetaLoft > 357 W 200 S, Suite 201 (in the same building as Aculis) (map) > Salt Lake City, Utah 84101 > > Now that the new location is decided, please come on down to our new > digs and learn about IPTables. Kevin Benko has prepared a > presentation on the basics of IPTables. For those of you who were > discussing this on the mailing list, this is your opportunity to come > and have the discussion. > > Cheers, > > Herlo > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From allen.schultz at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 15:36:42 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:36:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime SIG: IPTables Basics, Same Bat Time, New BetaLoft Location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3f34f8420906061436t366723c6h7fa431d0eedb44e9@mail.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > send out a few reminders between now and Wednesday. Our normal > meeting time 11:30am-1pm is still set. BetaLoft has some great Is that this upcoming Wednesday? Allen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.72 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJKKuFpAAoJEMNyjCz1VlHgvUYIAIzI2dCpRVLwz+mhIaIHDyY0 pCTnnNwkKJ+6qTo8h9SuiFoZWREAJnZe18RiNjnfjpilPQF2foqkqJiHZT3U/Nme gLK7iw1Y0wpfrm3NeQjDZJUWux8wlJQCwWM4/GwP+ZBIcmcIWqsHvDzm6vIw5E06 bLXmQfouHTkBJ4Rqjb9kM+8bnADfckfCO8xJyXdpyC69YWtjDWcMwEdFqvN1lc2Z 2Cs6jBxcDNYszzgchESSAvOvHDf5S4WAcz7xH2kChn0n1HN1SgEK0N0WOWujBHAM NG9Y8w5M9/1HspZ0bUVrbKi/xTSssqHXQzm6ri8s1moT8KDbDpF9ia2nJpp/kyQ= =wQHZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Allen Schultz pub 3072R/DAD4736B 2009-05-20 Key fingerprint = 16AD EFE1 D68F C8A8 B086 68CD 1A35 85C7 DAD4 736B uid Allen Schultz (aldaek) uid [jpeg image of size 6128] sub 2048R/F55651E0 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] sub 2048R/5687B83E 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] From herlo1 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 17:53:59 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat Jun 6 17:54:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime SIG: IPTables Basics, Same Bat Time, New BetaLoft Location In-Reply-To: <3f34f8420906061436t366723c6h7fa431d0eedb44e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f34f8420906061436t366723c6h7fa431d0eedb44e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Allen Schultz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Clint Savage > wrote: >> send out a few reminders between now and Wednesday. ?Our > normal >> meeting time 11:30am-1pm is still set. ?BetaLoft has some > great > > Is that this upcoming Wednesday? > > Allen Allen, Yep. We meet the 2nd Wednesday of every month :) This is the Daytime SIG, just to be clear. See you there! Cheers, Clint From herlo1 at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 10:29:54 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sun Jun 7 10:30:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Utah Open Source Events for June 2009 Message-ID: The Utah Open Source Foundation, in its goal to promote Open Source throughout Utah and beyond, is proud to promote the following events. These events are generally related to Open Source and Technology in Utah. If your event is not listed below, please contact clint@utos.org to get it added. Utah Technology Community Announcements ? UTOS-ConMan HackNights happen most every Tuesday night in June, watch http://utos.org (or #utos-dev on irc.freenode.net) for announcements. ? Watch for the UTOSC 2009 'Call for Papers' - http://2009.utosc.com If you have announcements or events that are happening around open source in Utah which you would like included, please contact clint@utos.org. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Upcoming Activities for June 2009 Wed, June 10, 11:30pm ? 1:00pm SLLUG: Daytime SIG Meeting Topic: IPTables Basics Where: BetaLoft SLC - 357 West 200 S, Suite 201, Salt Lake City Contact: Clint Savage, herlo1@gmail.com Wed, June 10, 7:30pm ? 9:00pm Provo Linux Users Group Topic: KVM & QEMU Link: http://plug.org Where: Omniture Contact: Ryan Simpkins, simpkins.ryan @gmail.com Thu, June 11, 6pm ? 9pm Utah Mobile Developers Group Where: STG Dev Center, 555 South 300 East, Salt Lake City, Utah Contact: Glen Lewis, glen @ glenlewis.com Thu, June 11, 7:00pm ? 8:30pm Utah Python User Group Meeting Link: http://utahpython.org Topic: GUI Toolkit Extravaganza Where: University of Utah, Emma Eccles Jones Medical Research Building, Room 1200 Contact: Dave, tonedevf AT gmail.com Sat, June 13th (All Day) SouthEast LinuxFest (SELF) Where: Clemson, South Carolina Info: http://southeastlinuxfest.org Sat, June 13th, 12-5pm Utah CodeAway Link: http://codeaway.org/ Where: BetaLoft, 357 West 200 South, Suite 201, Salt Lake City Contact: Laura Moncur, laura @ moncur.biz Sat, June 13, 6pm ? 8pm Ubuntu-Utah Meeting Link: http://utah.ubuntu-us.org Where: University of Utah - Merrill Engineering Building (MEB) Comp-Sci Labs Rm 2555 Contact: Aaron Toponce, aarontoponce@ gmail.com June 17-19 Open Source Bridge Where: Portland, Oregon Info: http://opensourcebridge.org Wed, June 17, 7:10pm ? 8:40pm Salt Lake Linux User Group (SLLUG) Link: http://sllug.org Where: University of Utah, Warnock Engineering Building (WEB) room 101 or 103 (Previously known as EMCB) Contact: Marc Christensen marc aT mecworks.com Thu, June 18, 6pm ? 9pm Utah Java User's Group (ujug.org) Link: http://ujug.org Where: SelectHealth (IHC), 4646 West Lake Park Blvd., West Valley City Contact: Chris Maki, chrismaki AT me.com Thu, June 18, 7:00pm ? 8:30pm Utah PHP User Group (UPHPU) Topic: Fundamentals of PHP by Adam Barrett Link: http://uphpu.org Where: Bill Good Marketing, Draper, Utah Contact: Victor Villa, vvilla @ gmail.com Sat, June 20, 12pm - 2pm Nerds in the Sun, Provo Linux User Group InterLug Barbecue (sponsored by Utah Open Source) Link: http://blog.utos.org/2009/05/27/event-nerds-in-the-sun-plug-summer-bbq/ Where: Scera Park, Orem, Utah (map: http://sn.im/utos-plug-bbq) Tue, June 23, 6:30pm ? 8:00pm SLC Ruby (slc.rb) Link: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/urug Where: Neumont University Room #300 Contact: Jake Mallory, tinomen @gmail.com Thu, June 25, 8:00am ? 9:30am CTO Breakfast Link: http://www.windley.com/cto_forum Where: Novell Cafeteria Contact: Phil Windley, phil At windley.org Thu, June 25, 6pm ? 8pm Logan Dev Group Where: Room 208 (Faculty Seminar Lounge), Merrill-Cazier Library, Utah State University, Logan, UT Contact: Matthew Reinbold, matthew.reinbold At voxpopdesign.com Fri, June 26, 12:30pm ? 2pm UTOS/UPHPU Geek Lunch Link: http://utos.org/geek-lunch Contact: Victor Villa, vvilla AT gmail.com Tue, June 30, 7:30pm - 9:00pm Ogden Area Linux User Group Link: http://oalug.com Where: Weber County Main Library, Board Room Contact: Seth House, whiteinge@ gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Each of the events below was pulled from the Utah Tech Events calendar, feel free to subscribe by clicking the link below (or adding the following feed to your calendaring program) Utah Tech Events Calendar - Google Calendar: http://sn.im/ute-calendar Utah Tech Events Calendar - iCal Feed: http://sn.im/ute-calendar-ics Utah Open Source Foundation also regularly records Local User Group (LUG) meetings throughout the state. Feel free to check out our podcasts and live streaming schedules. Utah Open Source Podcasts - http://podcast.utos.org From bms at mscis.org Sun Jun 7 18:09:10 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sun Jun 7 18:09:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: FreeBSD 6.2 Ports Install Cleanup Message-ID: <4A2C56A6.1090509@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In FreeBSD 6.2 ports, on a vps, I went to /usr/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg and ran make install clean. I chose to install the php5 plugin for it, but apparently the Verio vinstall script does not use ports to install php5 because it thought I didn't have php5 installed at all, and tried to install the whole thing. Thus, I need to start the ports install over and not tell it to install the php5 plugin. I ran these steps: [brasto@stouthosting /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ sudo rm -rf /var/build/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg [brasto@stouthosting /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ make clean I then cleaned out the stuff in /tmp and /var/tmp and tried again: [brasto@stouthosting /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ sudo make ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> Found saved configuration for ffmpeg-2008.07.27_10 Notice that it has a saved configuration somewhere, which will not let me redo the menus to deselect php5, but I can't find it in /usr/local or root's home directory either. How do I remove the saved config info? How can I start the ports install from scratch? Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkosVqYACgkQx0pgn74qrcLieACgrCfst8h2y0dKklrmeKe5bJ+6 g8UAnjzNL/HVGy3Hu5z4sGfHManM7guH =rKlN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Sun Jun 7 22:34:09 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sun Jun 7 22:34:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: FreeBSD 6.2 Ports Install Cleanup In-Reply-To: <19f5a670906071957x1ee35071q9c7bf8e7ed198b03@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A2C56A6.1090509@mscis.org> <19f5a670906071957x1ee35071q9c7bf8e7ed198b03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2C94C1.4020901@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On this Verio VPS, it does not have a work directory in /usr/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg, and I had already removed /var/build/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg completely, so the saved config must be yet somewhere else. I ran make distclean then tried a regular make to see if that removed the saved config, but it did not. I tried the make config install clean last since I was sure it would work as you said, but I'm geeky enough that I wanted to check everything else first. That did the trick. Thank you Mac! Brandon Mac Newbold wrote: > I thought that make clean would clear out the old config, but I guess > it doesn't. Maybe it is make distclean that does that. In any case, > you can redo the saved config by running make config first, or 'make > config install clean' all at once if you want. If you're curious, > generally the saved config will be in > /usr/ports///work/.config or something like that. > On verio it may be different since they seem to push stuff into > /var/build/ or something. > > Hope that helps, > Mac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoslJkACgkQx0pgn74qrcIgggCfdvAKQNQ5Nts/dtAZlL4ZxtM8 ZxwAoJWonMPPryqwMXIS06JtPqK5Wnwt =JWb3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Sun Jun 7 22:50:18 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sun Jun 7 22:50:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: FreeBSD 6.2 Ports Install Cleanup In-Reply-To: <4A2C94C1.4020901@mscis.org> References: <4A2C56A6.1090509@mscis.org> <19f5a670906071957x1ee35071q9c7bf8e7ed198b03@mail.gmail.com> <4A2C94C1.4020901@mscis.org> Message-ID: <4A2C988A.9030600@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brandon Stout wrote: > On this Verio VPS, it does not have a work directory in > /usr/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg, and I had already removed > /var/build/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg completely, so the saved config must > be yet somewhere else. I ran make distclean then tried a regular make > to see if that removed the saved config, but it did not. I tried the > make config install clean last since I was sure it would work as you > said, but I'm geeky enough that I wanted to check everything else first. > That did the trick. Thank you Mac! > > Brandon I might have spoke too soon. The make config does bring up the initial ffmpeg config menu, but the menu that prompted for the various ffmpeg plugins does not come up, probably because it was another ports install with a saved config of its own. None of the other menus come up until it brings up the php menu, and that one comes up because I halted the ports install after that came up, knowing I didn't want to do it. I removed the entire /var/build/ports dir now, and it still does this. I suppose I can grep all of /var recursively for ffmpeg and see if I get any saved config files, but it might be better if I find something in the system logs. I'll look through there to see if I find any entry for the creation of config files. Any other ideas? Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkosmIoACgkQx0pgn74qrcLQEwCgmo2fkZrPEEleJALCuU4t8RwI YyQAniA4Mmqy3ePxXBHhfxp/CdJhMux2 =+VUr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Sun Jun 7 23:02:03 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sun Jun 7 23:02:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Lossless jpg operations In-Reply-To: <4A28A84C.6050902@mscis.org> References: <4A28A84C.6050902@mscis.org> Message-ID: <4A2C9B4B.1040207@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brandon Stout wrote: > Some operations on jpg files can be done lossless-ly. Rotating is one > of them. I've used gwenview for what I think is lossless jpg > operations since when I rotate images, they do not change in file size > at all when other applications, such as Gimp will change the file > size. I've run into a problem though. When I look at my camera > images, gwenview auto-rotates them from the exif data. Most other > programs do not do this auto-rotation, including Gallery, which I use > to put the pictures on the web. I'd prefer to not let gwenview rotate > the images so I can fix the file so all apps can see the picture the > right way. However, gwenview does not seem to have a setting for it. > Actually, gwenview has almost nothing in the settings I can configure > - at least through the gui, only background color, transparent > background, and mouse wheel behavior. There may be a way to manually > configure it in ~/.kde4/share/config/gwenviewrc , but that still > leaves me with a problem. If I rotate the file, the exif data may > then throw off apps that still use the exif information. Now my > question: > > Is there a simple Linux tool that lets me losslessly rotate a camera > image, and change the exif 'orientation' tag - hopefully at once? > > I'd like it to be in the gui, because I don't see much use in changing > from a gui, which I need to see the picture in the first place, to a > terminal to run a command, then back to a gui which would then need a > refresh. However, if cli is the only way, I'll give it a try. > > Brandon For anyone that wants to know, I found that you can still rotate with gwenview, and it will change the orientation exif tag while rotating. You just have to make the Orientation tag show on the right side, and anything that says 'right' rotate to the right, and anything that says 'left', rotate to the left. The picture will show up sideways, but save it anyway and refresh. You'll find the picture losslessly rotated. However, I've once again proven myself wrong and found that cli is still faster. There's no need to look at every picture to see if they are sideways when the exif tag tells you anyway. I found exiftran has an option to auto-rotate any pictures according to the exif orientation tag and then fix the tag so it properly shows the correct new orientation. Here's the command: exiftran -agip Pictures/Some/Folder/* The -a is for automatically detecting the rotation. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkosm0oACgkQx0pgn74qrcLQQwCgm4VrKaPaNyY9mSvHVxREcXRG pV4AoLaMGLGrieWnY9PeIYqoV42+2ArT =vl1R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mac at macnewbold.com Sun Jun 7 20:57:35 2009 From: mac at macnewbold.com (Mac Newbold) Date: Mon Jun 8 00:24:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: FreeBSD 6.2 Ports Install Cleanup In-Reply-To: <4A2C56A6.1090509@mscis.org> References: <4A2C56A6.1090509@mscis.org> Message-ID: <19f5a670906071957x1ee35071q9c7bf8e7ed198b03@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > [brasto@stouthosting /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ sudo make > ===> ?Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > ===> ?Found saved configuration for ffmpeg-2008.07.27_10 > > Notice that it has a saved configuration somewhere, which will not let > me redo the menus to deselect php5, but I can't find it in /usr/local or > root's home directory either. ?How do I remove the saved config info? > How can I start the ports install from scratch? I thought that make clean would clear out the old config, but I guess it doesn't. Maybe it is make distclean that does that. In any case, you can redo the saved config by running make config first, or 'make config install clean' all at once if you want. If you're curious, generally the saved config will be in /usr/ports///work/.config or something like that. On verio it may be different since they seem to push stuff into /var/build/ or something. Hope that helps, Mac -- Mac Newbold Code Greene, LLC CTO/Chief Technical Officer 44 Exchange Place Office: 801-582-0148 Salt Lake City, UT 84111 Cell: 801-694-6334 www.codegreene.com From mark.k.spute at L-3com.com Mon Jun 8 08:14:00 2009 From: mark.k.spute at L-3com.com (mark.k.spute@L-3com.com) Date: Mon Jun 8 08:14:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C23@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> If you don't mind government work, L-3 Communications is hard to beat. Their salaries are highly competitive, and their benefits package (particularly their health insurance) just cannot be beat anywhere. I like the 4-10 work week. -----Original Message----- From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Smith Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:55 PM To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley SLLUGers: I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best employer in Salt Lake County and why? Looking forward to your response. --Dave ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From wattwood at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 08:19:33 2009 From: wattwood at gmail.com (William Attwood) Date: Mon Jun 8 08:19:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C23@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C23@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <7f2da9a80906080719v7fff6a4fk893a6335edf9b112@mail.gmail.com> I have to say that anywhere you can do 4-10 beats the snot out of 5-8. For awhile I was able to convince management to let I.T. to 4-10 and be on-call for off-hours; best few months I've ever worked. Every weekend was a 3-day weekend ;-) thumbs up for L-3 -Will On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM, wrote: > If you don't mind government work, L-3 Communications is hard to beat. > Their salaries are highly competitive, and their benefits package > (particularly their health insurance) just cannot be beat anywhere. I > like the 4-10 work week. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org > [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Smith > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:55 PM > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley > > SLLUGers: > > I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best > employer in Salt Lake County and why? > > Looking forward to your response. > > --Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Warm regards, William Attwood Idea Extraordinaire wattwood@gmail.com Steven Wright - "It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to have to paint it." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090608/e321fc5f/attachment.html From thatch45 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 08:36:31 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Mon Jun 8 08:36:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <7f2da9a80906080719v7fff6a4fk893a6335edf9b112@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C23@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <7f2da9a80906080719v7fff6a4fk893a6335edf9b112@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0906080736mcded4baid667d228eac09449@mail.gmail.com> While I was working at Guru Labs I had the opportunity to train many L-3 employees. I was definitely left with the impression that it was a great place to work! I think that one of the big factors that makes a great tech job, is the prowess of your peers, I have truly enjoyed working with the individuals at companies like Guru Labs and AST. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM, William Attwood wrote: > I have to say that anywhere you can do 4-10 beats the snot out of 5-8. For > awhile I was able to convince management to let I.T. to 4-10 and be on-call > for off-hours; best few months I've ever worked. Every weekend was a 3-day > weekend ;-) > thumbs up for L-3 > > -Will > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM, wrote: > >> If you don't mind government work, L-3 Communications is hard to beat. >> Their salaries are highly competitive, and their benefits package >> (particularly their health insurance) just cannot be beat anywhere. I >> like the 4-10 work week. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org >> [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Smith >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:55 PM >> To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions >> Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley >> >> SLLUGers: >> >> I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best >> employer in Salt Lake County and why? >> >> Looking forward to your response. >> >> --Dave >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > > -- > Warm regards, > William Attwood > Idea Extraordinaire > wattwood@gmail.com > Steven Wright - "It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to have to paint it." > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090608/d8e93ab7/attachment-0001.html From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 09:31:34 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Mon Jun 8 09:31:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <614c1080906051338icbf781bpb96d6016c6e6e95c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70906051414i34c29125oa3da08d488e3a906@mail.gmail.com> <4A2992A7.3040402@scl.utah.edu> <6172c17e0906051508g3c33eba0v32b82299d92cc571@mail.gmail.com> <4A29E18E.2050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <614c1080906080831m3a2b2087w1b9bc3ed43caf257@mail.gmail.com> Let me add to what skruger mentioned. The IT team at backcountry (called infra) is separate from the developers, and I can't really speak for infra's job satisfaction. I've been w/ Backcountry.com for a little over a year as a developer. I can (and often do) recommend it. --Shane On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Shaun Kruger wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:25 PM, bferg81@gmail.com > wrote: > > I too just left Backcountry.com. (There's a bunch of us on here that > > are currently and previously employed by BC...) I would never go back > > under the current IT management. > > Hey ferg! I wasn't really going to say anything, but you did open the > door. As such, I do believe I will walk through in true skruger > fashion. > > I was with Backcountry for 2 years. When I started it was a place > where you could speak your mind and it could lead to an open and > honest discussion about the technologies at play. During my time > there it became a place where you had to be careful what you said and > who you upset lest you lose your job. I have too many friends who > were unhappy there and left or who are still unhappy there. I cannot > recommend it to anyone. > > Shaun > > PS: That's just the IT department. I can't speak for quality of life > for the developers. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090608/adc7bb9c/attachment.htm From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Jun 8 10:47:24 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Jun 8 10:47:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <1244479644.1029.2.camel@matt4> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 13:55 -0600, Dave Smith wrote: > I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best > employer in Salt Lake County and why? Me. Because I SAID so. :) -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From thatch45 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 10:53:31 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Mon Jun 8 10:53:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <1244479644.1029.2.camel@matt4> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <1244479644.1029.2.camel@matt4> Message-ID: <6172c17e0906080953w3b5cd1d3wf7bdb8ecf2b0f271@mail.gmail.com> That logic is hard to argue with :) On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 13:55 -0600, Dave Smith wrote: > > I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is the best > > employer in Salt Lake County and why? > > Me. Because I SAID so. :) > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090608/ce264b47/attachment.html From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Jun 8 11:13:47 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Jun 8 11:13:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Unix 40th birthday... In-Reply-To: <1244304832.25471.1319098589@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <79c119390906041524l2a46a6car98bac9891846b92d@mail.gmail.com> <847993120906050817q3b97516dh351a91d8702c1d91@mail.gmail.com> <1244218431.3792.43.camel@matt4> <1244304832.25471.1319098589@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1244481227.1029.10.camel@matt4> On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 10:13 -0600, David J Iannucci wrote: > I started toying around in the mid-90s, but it took me till early 2000s > before Linux was mature enough that things mostly Just Worked that lazy > me was able to actually start using it as my working OS :-/ I was using DOS and early-stage Windows, primarily for text processing, so Linux was much better, even then... Early M$ Word and WP were no better than nroff/TeX-- you got slow wysiwig and poor-quality editing that didn't really help you write faster or better-- just more time waiting for the machine. I'm picky that way-- the machine should wait for me, not vice versa. But it was a long while before Linux had a decent spreadsheet (StarOffice). -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Jun 8 12:57:26 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Jun 8 12:57:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0906080953w3b5cd1d3wf7bdb8ecf2b0f271@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <1244479644.1029.2.camel@matt4> <6172c17e0906080953w3b5cd1d3wf7bdb8ecf2b0f271@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1244487446.1029.65.camel@matt4> Of course it is. You should NEVER argue with the Boss! (Unless, like me, he is amenable to being TACTFULLY shown the error of his ways.) :) But since I'm not hiring (growing fast, but not big enough yet for full-time IT), that question is largely academic as regards to me, and maybe Guru Labs and some others mentioned in this thread are equally academic, if they are in layoff mode. But it has been interesting to hear what people liked, and why. People are what business is all about, and too few managers know it. On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 10:53 -0600, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > That logic is hard to argue with :) > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Matt Warnock > wrote: > On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 13:55 -0600, Dave Smith wrote: > > I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is > the best > > employer in Salt Lake County and why? > > > Me. Because I SAID so. :) > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From sllug at fungusmovies.com Mon Jun 8 10:40:00 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Mon Jun 8 13:12:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: FreeBSD 6.2 Ports Install Cleanup In-Reply-To: <4A2C988A.9030600@mscis.org> References: <4A2C56A6.1090509@mscis.org> <19f5a670906071957x1ee35071q9c7bf8e7ed198b03@mail.gmail.com> <4A2C94C1.4020901@mscis.org> <4A2C988A.9030600@mscis.org> Message-ID: <8bcade370906080940q6ddfad46t8318a674e47ff6b0@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > I might have spoke too soon. ?The make config does bring up the initial > ffmpeg config menu, but the menu that prompted for the various ffmpeg > plugins does not come up, probably because it was another ports install > with a saved config of its own. ?None of the other menus come up until > it brings up the php menu, and that one comes up because I halted the > ports install after that came up, knowing I didn't want to do it. ?I > removed the entire /var/build/ports dir now, and it still does this. ?I > suppose I can grep all of /var recursively for ffmpeg and see if I get > any saved config files, but it might be better if I find something in > the system logs. ?I'll look through there to see if I find any entry for > the creation of config files. ?Any other ideas? Once you choose those options, they are stored in /var/db/ports/[portname]/options However just running "make config" should let you choose a new set of options. --lonnie http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/makefile-options.html From jigglyglen at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 14:02:43 2009 From: jigglyglen at gmail.com (Leo Mata) Date: Mon Jun 8 14:02:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Best Jobs in the Valley In-Reply-To: <1244487446.1029.65.camel@matt4> References: <4A297821.1050207@thesmithfam.org> <1244479644.1029.2.camel@matt4> <6172c17e0906080953w3b5cd1d3wf7bdb8ecf2b0f271@mail.gmail.com> <1244487446.1029.65.camel@matt4> Message-ID: > But it has been interesting to hear what people liked, and why. People > are what business is all about, and too few managers know it. You have no idea (in my experience) how much this is true as well as ignored in small and big business alike... BTW... hi SLUG this is my first post :-) -Leo On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > Of course it is. You should NEVER argue with the Boss! (Unless, like > me, he is amenable to being TACTFULLY shown the error of his ways.) :) > > But since I'm not hiring (growing fast, but not big enough yet for > full-time IT), that question is largely academic as regards to me, and > maybe Guru Labs and some others mentioned in this thread are equally > academic, if they are in layoff mode. > > But it has been interesting to hear what people liked, and why. People > are what business is all about, and too few managers know it. > > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 10:53 -0600, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > > That logic is hard to argue with :) > > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Matt Warnock > > wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 13:55 -0600, Dave Smith wrote: > > > I want to take an informal survey. In your opinion, who is > > the best > > > employer in Salt Lake County and why? > > > > > > Me. 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The reason 'make config' didn't work is because ffmpeg had dependancies that also had a config menu come up originally, but forcing ffmpeg's config menu to come up did not do anything to the dependent port installs, which still had saved configs. I'd have had to figure out what dependent app had the menu to install the php plugin and run 'make config' for that app. Thank you Lonnie. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkotkiEACgkQx0pgn74qrcJ6MwCeOuqH65++UXbvMbBAv+73F5HU ETYAn3Hsf+uQJ8Wnc4FpSGZLcwktDhwi =0hmb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From benko.kevin at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 18:48:19 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:48:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! Message-ID: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090608/e58a2620/attachment.pgp From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 18:56:22 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:56:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime SIG Meeting - IPTables This Wednesday 11:30am-1pm @ BetaLoft Message-ID: Kevin Benko has prepared a presentation on the basics of IPTables. For those of you who were discussing this on the mailing list, this is your opportunity to come and have the discussion. The location has changed, so keep that in mind. Here?s the information: BetaLoft 357 W 200 S, Suite 201 (in the same building as Aculis) (map) Salt Lake City, Utah 84101 Now that the new location is decided, please come on down to our new digs and learn about IPTables. See you all on Wednesday! Cheers, Clint From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 18:56:24 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:56:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390906081756x511e2498u1c86241ba969768c@mail.gmail.com> I have another 15" and a 17" to add... On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: > > My wife and I will be moving in about two weeks, and I have an old, but > working, CRT monitor. I am not asking for any money for it, I just can't > stand throwing things away if they still work. > > My wife had forced me, kicking and screaming, to buy an LCD monitor, and > I've hidden the CRT in the closet for a few months... "just in case". > > It's a 15" monitor, I will support up to 1280x1024 resolution (it might > support more, but I can't squint that much). I think it's made of lead and > cast-iron and would make a great boat anchor or catapult projectile. It's an > off-brand that no one has ever heard of. > > But it does work ((well, it worked a few months ago)). > > Anyone want it? > > I'll even let you keep the cat hair that's probably part of the innards of > the thing. > > -- > Kevin Benko > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 19:05:41 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:05:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: <79c119390906081756x511e2498u1c86241ba969768c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <79c119390906081756x511e2498u1c86241ba969768c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll take your 17", andrew! $2 at that! and another $2 for the 15" too? yes, I know $2 is not much, but I dont want to be TOTALLY bumming... :) On 6/9/09, Andrew Jackman wrote: > I have another 15" and a 17" to add... > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: >> Greetings: >> >> My wife and I will be moving in about two weeks, and I have an old, but >> working, CRT monitor. I am not asking for any money for it, I just can't >> stand throwing things away if they still work. >> >> My wife had forced me, kicking and screaming, to buy an LCD monitor, and >> I've hidden the CRT in the closet for a few months... "just in case". >> >> It's a 15" monitor, I will support up to 1280x1024 resolution (it might >> support more, but I can't squint that much). I think it's made of lead and >> cast-iron and would make a great boat anchor or catapult projectile. It's >> an >> off-brand that no one has ever heard of. >> >> But it does work ((well, it worked a few months ago)). >> >> Anyone want it? >> >> I'll even let you keep the cat hair that's probably part of the innards of >> the thing. >> >> -- >> Kevin Benko >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From sdmorrey at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 19:28:03 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:28:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <79c119390906081756x511e2498u1c86241ba969768c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We could use a monitor thats working. :) On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > I'll take your 17", andrew! $2 at that! > and another $2 for the 15" too? > > yes, I know $2 is not much, but I dont want to be TOTALLY bumming... :) > > On 6/9/09, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > I have another 15" and a 17" to add... > > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kevin Benko > wrote: > >> Greetings: > >> > >> My wife and I will be moving in about two weeks, and I have an old, but > >> working, CRT monitor. I am not asking for any money for it, I just can't > >> stand throwing things away if they still work. > >> > >> My wife had forced me, kicking and screaming, to buy an LCD monitor, and > >> I've hidden the CRT in the closet for a few months... "just in case". > >> > >> It's a 15" monitor, I will support up to 1280x1024 resolution (it might > >> support more, but I can't squint that much). I think it's made of lead > and > >> cast-iron and would make a great boat anchor or catapult projectile. > It's > >> an > >> off-brand that no one has ever heard of. > >> > >> But it does work ((well, it worked a few months ago)). > >> > >> Anyone want it? > >> > >> I'll even let you keep the cat hair that's probably part of the innards > of > >> the thing. > >> > >> -- > >> Kevin Benko > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090608/1fa544b6/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Jun 8 22:00:40 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:00:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1244520040.27794.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> and i have two CRT monitors myself that i would love to give away: one 19" Phillips and one 17" CTX. both work fine. 2 Samsung 22.5 inch LCD's replaced them. jack On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 18:48 -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: > > > > My wife and I will be moving in about two weeks, and I have an old, > but working, CRT monitor. I am not asking for any money for it, I just > can't stand throwing things away if they still work. > > > > My wife had forced me, kicking and screaming, to buy an LCD monitor, > and I've hidden the CRT in the closet for a few months... "just in > case". > > > > It's a 15" monitor, I will support up to 1280x1024 resolution (it > might support more, but I can't squint that much). I think it's made > of lead and cast-iron and would make a great boat anchor or catapult > projectile. It's an off-brand that no one has ever heard of. > > > > But it does work ((well, it worked a few months ago)). > > > > Anyone want it? > > > > I'll even let you keep the cat hair that's probably part of the > innards of the thing. > > > > -- > Kevin Benko > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090608/cc143634/attachment.htm From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 22:46:13 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:46:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: <1244520040.27794.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <1244520040.27794.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: what about the resoloutions? On 6/9/09, jack User wrote: > and i have two CRT monitors myself that i would love to give away: one > 19" Phillips and one 17" CTX. both work fine. 2 Samsung 22.5 inch LCD's > replaced them. > > jack > > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 18:48 -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > >> Greetings: >> >> >> >> My wife and I will be moving in about two weeks, and I have an old, >> but working, CRT monitor. I am not asking for any money for it, I just >> can't stand throwing things away if they still work. >> >> >> >> My wife had forced me, kicking and screaming, to buy an LCD monitor, >> and I've hidden the CRT in the closet for a few months... "just in >> case". >> >> >> >> It's a 15" monitor, I will support up to 1280x1024 resolution (it >> might support more, but I can't squint that much). I think it's made >> of lead and cast-iron and would make a great boat anchor or catapult >> projectile. It's an off-brand that no one has ever heard of. >> >> >> >> But it does work ((well, it worked a few months ago)). >> >> >> >> Anyone want it? >> >> >> >> I'll even let you keep the cat hair that's probably part of the >> innards of the thing. >> >> >> >> -- >> Kevin Benko >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Jun 9 09:08:08 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Tue Jun 9 09:08:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <1244520040.27794.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1244560088.4399.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> 1068 x as i recall On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 04:46 +0000, Christian Horne wrote: > what about the resoloutions? > > On 6/9/09, jack User wrote: > > and i have two CRT monitors myself that i would love to give away: one > > 19" Phillips and one 17" CTX. both work fine. 2 Samsung 22.5 inch LCD's > > replaced them. > > > > jack > > > > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 18:48 -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > > > >> Greetings: > >> > >> > >> > >> My wife and I will be moving in about two weeks, and I have an old, > >> but working, CRT monitor. I am not asking for any money for it, I just > >> can't stand throwing things away if they still work. > >> > >> > >> > >> My wife had forced me, kicking and screaming, to buy an LCD monitor, > >> and I've hidden the CRT in the closet for a few months... "just in > >> case". > >> > >> > >> > >> It's a 15" monitor, I will support up to 1280x1024 resolution (it > >> might support more, but I can't squint that much). I think it's made > >> of lead and cast-iron and would make a great boat anchor or catapult > >> projectile. It's an off-brand that no one has ever heard of. > >> > >> > >> > >> But it does work ((well, it worked a few months ago)). > >> > >> > >> > >> Anyone want it? > >> > >> > >> > >> I'll even let you keep the cat hair that's probably part of the > >> innards of the thing. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Kevin Benko > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, Steve On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:19 PM, csum77@gmail.com wrote: > Yes, I know this is the Salt Lake LINUX users group...but I have a question > I'm hoping some of you can answer. > It would seem that once upon a time there was a Windows Admins user group > (UTWAA.org?)...does this group still exist, or is it dead? > > I love the open source community's help-each-other-out attitude, and I'd > like to see some similar local user group with a Windows focus, as I have to > support both Linux and Windows systems. > > If any of you know of any such group, or would have interest in > participating in such a group, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > -Charlie > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090609/caa854b0/attachment.htm From gthornock at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 21:29:43 2009 From: gthornock at yahoo.com (Gary Thornock) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:29:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! Message-ID: <277244.48778.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:19 PM, csum77@gmail.com wrote: > > Yes, I know this is the Salt Lake LINUX users group...but I > have a question I'm hoping some of you can answer. > > It would seem that once upon a time there was a Windows Admins > user group (UTWAA.org?)...does this group still exist, or is it > dead? I haven't seen any mail on that list for quite a while, but last I knew it was still hosted on the PLUG server (which, unfortunately, seems to be down at the moment). The list page was: http://plug.org/mailman/listinfo/waa From rhetth at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 21:32:29 2009 From: rhetth at gmail.com (J. Rhett Hooper) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:32:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: <1244560088.4399.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <1244520040.27794.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1244560088.4399.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: I have a few 19" monitors and possibly a 17" at work, free for the taking. They are mostly Dell M993s (http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/M993s/en/index.htm). Most of them were in a shop environment, so they are a little dirty. -- Rhett Hooper From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 21:38:27 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:38:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <1244520040.27794.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1244560088.4399.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906092038i3599e0b7h433bb03aa0a8faa0@mail.gmail.com> I know my wife would kill me if I had another CRT in the house! :P On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:32 PM, J. Rhett Hooper wrote: > I have a few 19" monitors and possibly a 17" at work, free for the > taking. ?They are mostly Dell M993s > (http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/M993s/en/index.htm). > Most of them were in a shop environment, so they are a little dirty. > > -- > Rhett Hooper > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From bms at mscis.org Tue Jun 9 21:38:33 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:39:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A2F2AB9.1080101@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steven Morrey wrote: > I have to deal with windows machines frequently too. I would be > interested in joining up with that. > > Sincerely, Steve > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:19 PM, csum77@gmail.com > > wrote: > > Yes, I know this is the Salt Lake LINUX users group...but I have a > question I'm hoping some of you can answer. > > It would seem that once upon a time there was a Windows Admins user > group (UTWAA.org?)...does this group still exist, or is it dead? > > I love the open source community's help-each-other-out attitude, > and I'd like to see some similar local user group with a Windows > focus, as I have to support both Linux and Windows systems. > > If any of you know of any such group, or would have interest in > participating in such a group, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > -Charlie Funny - someone interested in a Windows admin mail list top posting... Seriously though, I've found that most people interested in Windows help use forums. Some forums offer a subscribe service that makes it work similarly to a mail list. The most helpful forum for me for all things Windows back in my apostate Windows days was http://msfn.org/board/index.php . I liked the fact that it's done in php. Hopefully, it's not actually on a Windows server with IIS... Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkovKrcACgkQx0pgn74qrcKBsQCglCfkj0+8Z2zRBu0whS8ZPsOe HvcAn0aPYPcFZMeY+HL78zsiuGsieG9j =j9Kg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 22:21:20 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Tue Jun 9 22:21:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090610042120.GA26178@helios.cocyt.us> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 06:19:46PM -0600, csum77@gmail.com wrote: > It would seem that once upon a time there was a Windows Admins user group > (UTWAA.org?)...does this group still exist, or is it dead? It was the Utah Windows Admins Anonymous, but it's totally defunct. I had looked into the group back in 2001, and it was struggling then. I don't know when the last meeting was, but it appears that their domain has gone under, and Google is wiping most of its existence. I couldn't even tell you who led the group -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 543 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090609/a07061c8/attachment.pgp From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 22:22:33 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Tue Jun 9 22:22:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <4A2F2AB9.1080101@mscis.org> References: <4A2F2AB9.1080101@mscis.org> Message-ID: <20090610042233.GB26178@helios.cocyt.us> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 09:38:33PM -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > Funny - someone interested in a Windows admin mail list top > posting... And someone bottom-posting without trimming. Isn't that just as guilty a sin? :) -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 543 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090609/02f9f3d1/attachment-0001.pgp From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 23:49:12 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue Jun 9 23:49:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <20090610042120.GA26178@helios.cocyt.us> References: <20090610042120.GA26178@helios.cocyt.us> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Aaron Toponce wrote: > On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 06:19:46PM -0600, csum77@gmail.com wrote: >> ? ?It would seem that once upon a time there was a Windows Admins user group >> ? ?(UTWAA.org?)...does this group still exist, or is it dead? > > It was the Utah Windows Admins Anonymous, but it's totally defunct. I > had looked into the group back in 2001, and it was struggling then. I > don't know when the last meeting was, but it appears that their domain > has gone under, and Google is wiping most of its existence. I couldn't > even tell you who led the group So, technically, I had the rights to that domain. I tried to domain transfer it from Steve Dibb, but the domain didn't seem to want to transfer. It appears to be expired recently, so it could be up for re-registering soon. If someone wants to pick it up, UTOS will gladly host it and re-setup the email. Cheers, Clint From zspecialk at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 23:51:16 2009 From: zspecialk at gmail.com (Scott K) Date: Tue Jun 9 23:51:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <20090610042233.GB26178@helios.cocyt.us> References: <4A2F2AB9.1080101@mscis.org> <20090610042233.GB26178@helios.cocyt.us> Message-ID: <90cf3c3d0906092251n5c9aedd5h3cf02ee9e5bca75f@mail.gmail.com> wow, my registration notice for utwaa.org is dated August 2005, and I don't think I received much since. Building enough critical mass to make it useful might take some work. ScottK From bms at mscis.org Wed Jun 10 08:13:31 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:14:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <20090610042233.GB26178@helios.cocyt.us> References: <4A2F2AB9.1080101@mscis.org> <20090610042233.GB26178@helios.cocyt.us> Message-ID: <4A2FBF8B.2040805@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Toponce wrote: > And someone bottom-posting without trimming. Isn't that just as guilty a > sin? :) It is. except this time it was needed for context since nobody could tell if it was a top post without seeing the post below it, and the post below it was needed to show what question I was answering after my snide remark. Brandon /me ducks and prepares for another top/bottom/trim posting war. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkovv4sACgkQx0pgn74qrcJ5cwCcDiRBu/HHR+2VFUZg4G4prvco ojcAoKXPzxm14qi0zNpRk7zrUqaFQdUb =+uXw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Thu Jun 11 15:03:17 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:03:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1244754197.5919.2.camel@matt4> I would HATE to join up with that. But I probably would have to. On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 19:17 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > I have to deal with windows machines frequently too. > I would be interested in joining up with that. -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From unum at unum5.org Thu Jun 11 15:50:12 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:50:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <1244754197.5919.2.camel@matt4> References: <1244754197.5919.2.camel@matt4> Message-ID: <4A317C14.2060607@unum5.org> Matt Warnock wrote: > I would HATE to join up with that. But I probably would have to. > > On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 19:17 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > >> I have to deal with windows machines frequently too. >> I would be interested in joining up with that. >> > > Looks like some jerk is holding the domain: http://www.whois.net/whois/utwaa.org Kyle From remo at italy1.com Thu Jun 11 16:31:44 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Thu Jun 11 16:31:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <4A317C14.2060607@unum5.org> References: <1244754197.5919.2.camel@matt4> <4A317C14.2060607@unum5.org> Message-ID: <46E627A3-A378-41FA-BD0F-48853F194E81@italy1.com> The domain just expired give it a few days it may become availble Inviato da iPhone Il giorno Jun 11, 2009, alle ore 15:50, Kyle Waters ha scritto: > Matt Warnock wrote: >> I would HATE to join up with that. But I probably would have to. >> >> On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 19:17 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: >> >>> I have to deal with windows machines frequently too. >>> I would be interested in joining up with that. >>> >> >> > Looks like some jerk is holding the domain: > > > http://www.whois.net/whois/utwaa.org > > > > Kyle > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:4a317ff484315249956076! > From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Thu Jun 11 16:54:33 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Thu Jun 11 16:54:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Was yesterday's iptables presentation recorded? In-Reply-To: <4A2FBF8B.2040805@mscis.org> References: <4A2F2AB9.1080101@mscis.org> <20090610042233.GB26178@helios.cocyt.us> <4A2FBF8B.2040805@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1244760873.5919.4.camel@matt4> I had a last-minute meeting coem up and was unable to attend... :( -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From rfg at csolutions.net Thu Jun 11 16:56:04 2009 From: rfg at csolutions.net (Rick Gregory) Date: Thu Jun 11 16:56:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <4A317C14.2060607@unum5.org> References: <1244754197.5919.2.camel@matt4> <4A317C14.2060607@unum5.org> Message-ID: <4A318B84.2070006@csolutions.net> Another Windows-based group was WWNTUG: "WWNTUG Mission Statement We have formed the Wasatch Windows NT Users Group in order to provide a bit of synergy in the Wasatch area for those who have the task and desire of supporting Microsoft Windows NT. We are a group that has devoted themselves to gaining expertise in the administration, roll-out and application of NT Server and Workstation. We have also devoted ourselves to investigating better means of integrating NT within the Novell and UNIX environments. We are a group that derives its information from not only vendors' statements and presentations but also from informal discussions and the swapping of experiences. No one has the full answer but, together, we might come up with a really good kludge ." Source: http://web.archive.org/web/19980123104226/http://wwntug.org/ The last page saved on the Internet Archives was 19 May 2001: *"Next Meeting: May 2, 2001* We are happy to welcome PowerQuest to our May meeting. We'll hear about their latest and upcoming products. Refreshments will be served. */June Meeting/*/: / We'd like to have a party. Please send us your ideas. */July & August/*/: We're planning on taking a break. We'll resume again in September."/ Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20010519082342/http://www.wwntug.org/ The September meeting possibly never happened (I don't remember). The organizers of the group sent out an e-mail asking for a new person or persons to take over responsibilities for the group, i.e., schedule programs. They apparently had no takers and the group simply vanished (as far as I know). The webmaster for this final page was "geek1013@wasatchit.com"; this domain is still active - is geek13 on the SLLUG list? -- Rick Gregory rfg@csolutions.net From csum77 at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 16:57:25 2009 From: csum77 at gmail.com (csum77@gmail.com) Date: Thu Jun 11 17:28:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <46E627A3-A378-41FA-BD0F-48853F194E81@italy1.com> References: <1244754197.5919.2.camel@matt4> <4A317C14.2060607@unum5.org> <46E627A3-A378-41FA-BD0F-48853F194E81@italy1.com> Message-ID: I've got a backorder on it...and I grabbed a few others in case we don't get it. I'll try to get things together and get it online in the coming weeks. If SLLUG doesn't mind, I'll announce it here once we're ready to go. Thanks for your feedback! -Charlie On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > The domain just expired give it a few days it may become availble > > Inviato da iPhone > > Il giorno Jun 11, 2009, alle ore 15:50, Kyle Waters ha > scritto: > > Matt Warnock wrote: >> >>> I would HATE to join up with that. But I probably would have to. >>> >>> On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 19:17 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: >>> >>> I have to deal with windows machines frequently too. >>>> I would be interested in joining up with that. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Looks like some jerk is holding the domain: >> >> >> http://www.whois.net/whois/utwaa.org >> >> >> >> Kyle >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> !DSPAM:4a317ff484315249956076! >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 20:24:19 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu Jun 11 20:24:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Was yesterday's iptables presentation recorded? In-Reply-To: <1244760873.5919.4.camel@matt4> References: <4A2F2AB9.1080101@mscis.org> <20090610042233.GB26178@helios.cocyt.us> <4A2FBF8B.2040805@mscis.org> <1244760873.5919.4.camel@matt4> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Matt Warnock wrote: > I had a last-minute meeting coem up and was unable to attend... :( > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. Matt, Unfortunately, it was not. I'm working through some issues porting to a new application that supports pulseaudio for recording. It's coming, just a little while longer... I hope others decide to come and record too, it's easy enough and I can show you how to work it (especially if you don't use pulseaudio). Cheers, Clint From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 23:57:51 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Jun 11 23:57:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> Hey Guys, Got something I just can't figure out. I work in IT for the corporate entity of Stevens Henager College, and some of the corporate guys decided they'd setup Websense on the WAN. Well that's fine and all, but I find being locked down by Websense makes my job hard sometimes, especially when trying to find a solution to an app I'm writing for something or another, and it seems at least half the time those solutions are on sites that Websense decided to block for whatever reason. Initially, I installed Hotspot Shield on Mac, and Ultrasurf on Windows. I tried using JAP on Ubuntu, but it's a huge pain, and it proxies everything in different countries as I refuse to pay for a connection to a US server. And just using a proxy IP itself in Firefox, IE, etc... doesn't bypass Websense. So, I thought I'd install a VPN. So I upgraded my Comcast connection to business class, and got a block of 5 static IP's, one of which I used for a VPN server using OpenVPN. I get it all installed, and configured and started up the daemon, no problem. I copy the crt and key files I need to a folder and gunzipped it, and then used sftp to transfer the tarball to my mac, and installed Tunnelblick on my mac, and extracted the tarball and copied the files, and configured the client conf file. I got to work, and connected through my tunnel, and I get an IP just fine. So then I close out of Firefox, and open it back up and test it with something simple and obvious; youtube. Low and behold, I get the websense blockage page. So I tried deleting the default route 0.0.0.0, and that jacked everything up and ended up having to reboot. I looked over the client and server config, and I just don't know what I'm doing wrong here. I mean, isn't all routes and packets supposed to default to a VPN tunnel once it's established? I know in a typical VPN scenario it should, whether using default Windows VPN, Cisco, F5, Juniper, etc... So why should this be any different? I'm sure it's something I don't have configured right, I just don't know what. This is the first time I've ever setup OpenVPN, so I could easily be missing something. I have OpenVPN running on Debian Lenny x86, and Tunnelblick running on MacOS X Leopard. If someone could give me some insight on this, I'd be much appreciative. :D Thanks, Justin From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 00:29:06 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Fri Jun 12 00:29:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906112329g179e4fbfy1cdd117db8b96446@mail.gmail.com> Another thing to point out, is the connection "tun0" has the following settings when running ifconfig: tun0: flags=8851 mtu 1500 inet 10.8.0.6 --> 10.8.0.5 netmask 0xffffffff open (pid 299) Is it supposed to be point to point? Thanks, Justin On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Hey Guys, > > Got something I just can't figure out. > > I work in IT for the corporate entity of Stevens Henager College, and > some of the corporate guys decided they'd setup Websense on the WAN. > > Well that's fine and all, but I find being locked down by Websense > makes my job hard sometimes, especially when trying to find a solution > to an app I'm writing for something or another, and it seems at least > half the time those solutions are on sites that Websense decided to > block for whatever reason. > > Initially, I installed Hotspot Shield on Mac, and Ultrasurf on > Windows. I tried using JAP on Ubuntu, but it's a huge pain, and it > proxies everything in different countries as I refuse to pay for a > connection to a US server. And just using a proxy IP itself in > Firefox, IE, etc... doesn't bypass Websense. > > So, I thought I'd install a VPN. So I upgraded my Comcast connection > to business class, and got a block of 5 static IP's, one of which I > used for a VPN server using OpenVPN. > > I get it all installed, and configured and started up the daemon, no > problem. I copy the crt and key files I need to a folder and gunzipped > it, and then used sftp to transfer the tarball to my mac, and > installed Tunnelblick on my mac, and extracted the tarball and copied > the files, and configured the client conf file. > > I got to work, and connected through my tunnel, and I get an IP just > fine. So then I close out of Firefox, and open it back up and test it > with something simple and obvious; youtube. Low and behold, I get the > websense blockage page. So I tried deleting the default route 0.0.0.0, > and that jacked everything up and ended up having to reboot. > > I looked over the client and server config, and I just don't know what > I'm doing wrong here. I mean, isn't all routes and packets supposed to > default to a VPN tunnel once it's established? I know in a typical VPN > scenario it should, whether using default Windows VPN, Cisco, F5, > Juniper, etc... So why should this be any different? > > I'm sure it's something I don't have configured right, I just don't > know what. This is the first time I've ever setup OpenVPN, so I could > easily be missing something. > > I have OpenVPN running on Debian Lenny x86, and Tunnelblick running on > MacOS X Leopard. > > If someone could give me some insight on this, I'd be much appreciative. :D > > Thanks, > > Justin > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From dan at witt.tv Fri Jun 12 08:10:05 2009 From: dan at witt.tv (Dan Witt) Date: Fri Jun 12 08:08:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3261BD.6080507@witt.tv> Justin, > I looked over the client and server config, and I just don't know what > I'm doing wrong here. I mean, isn't all routes and packets supposed to > default to a VPN tunnel once it's established? I know in a typical VPN > scenario it should, whether using default Windows VPN, Cisco, F5, > Juniper, etc... So why should this be any different? Your traffic will only default to the VPN if you have defined the route and gateway properly. Most clients do this automatically. Setting your gateway and routes can get a bit tricky and I can't tell you for sure how to fix it without seeing your configuration but this link from the Openvpn mailing list might help: http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2005-03/msg00234.html Thanks, Dan Witt From sdmorrey at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 08:48:29 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Fri Jun 12 08:48:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Windows Admin group - please don't hang me! In-Reply-To: <1244763413.5919.24.camel@matt4> References: <1244754197.5919.2.camel@matt4> <4A317C14.2060607@unum5.org> <4A318B84.2070006@csolutions.net> <1244763413.5919.24.camel@matt4> Message-ID: I agree, In todays mixed mode environment it would be helpful to have a support group for us poor jerks that have to deal with the issues particular to heterogeneous computing. Interop is nice, but also being able to send one email on why doesn't service x run on windows, linux, OSX, solaris, what have you, would be just be a cool shade of awesome. Sincerely, Steve On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 16:56 -0600, Rick Gregory wrote: > > Another Windows-based group was WWNTUG: (epitaph deleted) > > You know, what might be even better would be a broadly-defined SAMBA or > interop group, that dealt with Windoze, Samba, and all interop issues in > a heterogenous computing environment. Maybe even integrating my Palm > Centro into all this mess. > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I find it works pretty good and it's really easy to setup. The server side ssh options are setup by default on CentOS 5. Shaun From marc at sllug.org Fri Jun 12 10:12:39 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Fri Jun 12 10:33:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? Message-ID: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> Hey all, SLLUG meeting is on Wednesday next week (June 17th, 2009). Anyone want to present on a Linux related topic? Requested topics have included home automation, audio, video, new distro demos (fedora, ubuntu, etc), system administration topics (huge range of topics there), mythtv, Photo editing/management, embedded Linux devices, etc.... Drop a line to comments@sllug.org if you're willing to present! Thanks! -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From matthew at azza.com Fri Jun 12 10:43:14 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Fri Jun 12 10:43:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> Shaun Kruger wrote: > I find the easiest way around proxies like that is ssh dynamic port forward. > > ssh user@host -D 1080 > > I then tell my browser to use the socks proxy at localhost:1080. All > connections originate at the far end of the SSH connection. Foxy > proxy helps manage my proxy settings in firefox. With it you can make > only certian sites go through the SSH proxy. I've made a rule that > proxies only *.home.shaunkruger.com through ssh so I can manage my > trixbox at home while not routing any of my other sessions through my > house. > > I find it works pretty good and it's really easy to setup. The server > side ssh options are setup by default on CentOS 5. Ironically enough, I just barely finished setting up a squid proxy when I read that. After toying around with -D, I promptly disabled squid as this suits my needs just fine. Bravo. I've been using ssh port forwarding for years, but I've never noticed the dynamic option. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 257 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090612/988887ee/signature.pgp From benko.kevin at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 10:52:08 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Fri Jun 12 10:52:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides Message-ID: <200906121052.20014.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My "making appropriate > slides" skills is pretty bad, as I tend to talk about stuff, and then play > catchup with the slides... > > > -- > Kevin Benko > > > All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young > children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or > folly, which can -- and must -- be dumped in emergency to preserve > this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal > morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a "perfect > society" on any foundation other than "Women and children first!" is > not only witless, it is automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, > starry-eyed idealists (all of them male) have tried endlessly -- and > no doubt will keep on trying. > -- RAH > > > ------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utahsllug-members@sllug.orghttp://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.364 / Virus Database: 270.12.65/2171 - Release Date: 06/12/09 05:55:00 > > > > I would love a copy. Cheers, Jason > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090612/1a95a38e/attachment.htm From remo at italy1.com Fri Jun 12 11:26:57 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Jun 12 11:27:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <200906121052.20014.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks I will be happy to check them out. Ciao Remo On 6/12/09 10:52 AM, "Kevin Benko" wrote: > Greetings: > > > I have the presentation/slides of the iptables presentation on Wednesday. > > > Now, I built the actual slides using the LaTeX beamer package, and the final > output is a PDF file (aka a Portable Document PDF Format file). > > > It's kind of a big file, and standard mailing list etiquette makes me hesitant > to upload large attachments without checking. > > > The bzip2-compressed PDF file is about 646.9 K > The bzip2-tar of the LaTeX source, with eps files, is about 400.7 K > > > I can go two ways on this: > > > 1: If anyone says "no, don't send big attachments on the mailing list", I'm OK > with that. > > > B: Or, I could just email them directly to anyone who wants them. > > > Note: All I really know about talking and presentations is using a chalk/white > board and about a 1/2 page of notes. My "making appropriate slides" skills is > pretty bad, as I tend to talk about stuff, and then play catchup with the > slides... > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090612/bf8384dc/attachment.html From remo at italy1.com Fri Jun 12 11:37:18 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Jun 12 11:37:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can hosted it. Let me know Ciao Remo On 6/12/09 11:24 AM, "Leo Mata" wrote: > me 2 please > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Jason R wrote: >> >> On 6/12/2009 10:52 AM, Kevin Benko wrote: >>> Greetings: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I have the presentation/slides of the iptables presentation on Wednesday. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, I built the actual slides using the LaTeX beamer package, and the final >>> output is a PDF file (aka a Portable Document PDF Format file). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It's kind of a big file, and standard mailing list etiquette makes me >>> hesitant to upload large attachments without checking. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The bzip2-compressed PDF file is about 646.9 K >>> The bzip2-tar of the LaTeX source, with eps files, is about 400.7 K >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I can go two ways on this: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 1: If anyone says "no, don't send big attachments on the mailing list", I'm >>> OK with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> B: Or, I could just email them directly to anyone who wants them. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Note: All I really know about talking and presentations is using a >>> chalk/white board and about a 1/2 page of notes. My "making appropriate >>> slides" skills is pretty bad, as I tend to talk about stuff, and then play >>> catchup with the slides... >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090612/89cde0e4/attachment.htm From john at beehive.net Fri Jun 12 11:43:44 2009 From: john at beehive.net (John Brewer) Date: Fri Jun 12 11:43:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <200906121052.20014.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906121052.20014.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3293D0.8080303@beehive.net> Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: > > > I have the presentation/slides of the iptables presentation on Wednesday. I would be happy to store the presentation on my web site and provide a link to the group. John Brewer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090612/2f1e48e9/attachment.pgp From ewfalor at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 13:37:48 2009 From: ewfalor at gmail.com (Erik Falor) Date: Fri Jun 12 13:38:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> Message-ID: <20090612193747.GL3369@gnu.prunk.si> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:43:14AM -0600, Matthew Hatch wrote: > > Ironically enough, I just barely finished setting up a squid proxy when > I read that. After toying around with -D, I promptly disabled squid as > this suits my needs just fine. -D works great if your browser supports SOCKS. Sadly, Opera doesn't, so I'm still using Squid. On the upside, Squid provides caching and other useful services, so it's not a total loss. > Bravo. I've been using ssh port forwarding for years, but I've never > noticed the dynamic option. > Bravo indeed. It seems that I learn a new SSH trick every week. Where would our society be without this amazing tool? We'd probably still be rubbing sticks together to cook our food. -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org From remo at italy1.com Fri Jun 12 13:38:43 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Jun 12 13:38:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <200906121316.05279.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here you can download the presentation. http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.tar.bz2 Let me know Ciao Remo On 6/12/09 1:16 PM, "Kevin Benko" wrote: > On Friday 12 June 2009 11:37:18 you wrote: >> I can hosted it. Let me know > > > Hey, thanks.... > > > Here are the files: > > > I'm not sure how many people out there use LaTeX, but a beamer presentation > usually needs to me compiled two or three times. I don't think pdflatex will > import the images, so, you'll probably have to use latex, dvips, and ps2pdf > (or latexmk --pdfps). > From remo at italy1.com Fri Jun 12 13:44:03 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Jun 12 13:44:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One more link http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.pdf.bz2 On 6/12/09 1:38 PM, "Remo Mattei" wrote: > Here you can download the presentation. > > http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.tar.bz2 > > Let me know > > Ciao > > Remo > > > > On 6/12/09 1:16 PM, "Kevin Benko" wrote: > >> On Friday 12 June 2009 11:37:18 you wrote: >>> I can hosted it. Let me know >> >> >> Hey, thanks.... >> >> >> Here are the files: >> >> >> I'm not sure how many people out there use LaTeX, but a beamer presentation >> usually needs to me compiled two or three times. I don't think pdflatex will >> import the images, so, you'll probably have to use latex, dvips, and ps2pdf >> (or latexmk --pdfps). >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:4a32af60207701548113964! > From jshatch at azza.com Fri Jun 12 13:45:47 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Fri Jun 12 13:47:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A32B06B.8040708@azza.com> Remo Mattei wrote: > One more link > > http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.pdf.bz2 Forbidden You don't have permission to access /presentation.pdf.bz2 on this server. 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On 6/12/09 1:45 PM, "Jarom Hatch" wrote: > Remo Mattei wrote: >> One more link >> >> http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.pdf.bz2 > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /presentation.pdf.bz2 on this server. > Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at officeftp.mattei.org Port 80 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:4a32b1d2216252051017194! From remo at italy1.com Fri Jun 12 13:59:53 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Jun 12 14:00:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <4A32B06B.8040708@azza.com> Message-ID: Should be good now Remo On 6/12/09 1:45 PM, "Jarom Hatch" wrote: > Remo Mattei wrote: >> One more link >> >> http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.pdf.bz2 > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /presentation.pdf.bz2 on this server. > Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at officeftp.mattei.org Port 80 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:4a32b1d2216252051017194! From remo at italy1.com Fri Jun 12 14:15:46 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Jun 12 14:15:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: The Iptables Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It did not like the .bz2 on that server so I renamed it Here you have it http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.pdf.tar.gz http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.tar.gz On 6/12/09 1:54 PM, "Remo Mattei" wrote: > I saw that I am fixing it now... > > > On 6/12/09 1:45 PM, "Jarom Hatch" wrote: > >> Remo Mattei wrote: >>> One more link >>> >>> http://officeftp.mattei.org/presentation.pdf.bz2 >> >> Forbidden >> >> You don't have permission to access /presentation.pdf.bz2 on this server. >> Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at officeftp.mattei.org Port 80 >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:4a32b360221101804284693! > From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 14:38:19 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Fri Jun 12 14:38:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <20090612193747.GL3369@gnu.prunk.si> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> <20090612193747.GL3369@gnu.prunk.si> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906121338r5f857147s4770ee833ef9c3c7@mail.gmail.com> LOL I'll use that when I get the work. Thanks for the tip! I agree. Learn something now about SSH all the time ;) And you can laugh if you want, but I didn't even know SFTP was part of SSH until earlier this year! :D (sad I know). For the longest time I thought it was just FTP over SSL like FTPS. The only OS that won't work on is Windows (unfortunately we cannot escape MS in most business environments), since SSH doesn't work in Windows ;) Unless... is there a way to invoke a session through PuTTY that way? I would like to see though how to get the routes setup correctly. Would I put the routes on the client and/or server, or in the conf files? Here is my server.conf file: ######################################################################################## ################################################# # Sample OpenVPN 2.0 config file for # # multi-client server. # # # # This file is for the server side # # of a many-clients <-> one-server # # OpenVPN configuration. # # # # OpenVPN also supports # # single-machine <-> single-machine # # configurations (See the Examples page # # on the web site for more info). # # # # This config should work on Windows # # or Linux/BSD systems. Remember on # # Windows to quote pathnames and use # # double backslashes, e.g.: # # "C:\\Program Files\\OpenVPN\\config\\foo.key" # # # # Comments are preceded with '#' or ';' # ################################################# # Which local IP address should OpenVPN # listen on? (optional) local 70.89.247.75 # Which TCP/UDP port should OpenVPN listen on? # If you want to run multiple OpenVPN instances # on the same machine, use a different port # number for each one. You will need to # open up this port on your firewall. port 1194 # TCP or UDP server? ;proto tcp proto udp # "dev tun" will create a routed IP tunnel, # "dev tap" will create an ethernet tunnel. # Use "dev tap0" if you are ethernet bridging # and have precreated a tap0 virtual interface # and bridged it with your ethernet interface. # If you want to control access policies # over the VPN, you must create firewall # rules for the the TUN/TAP interface. # On non-Windows systems, you can give # an explicit unit number, such as tun0. # On Windows, use "dev-node" for this. # On most systems, the VPN will not function # unless you partially or fully disable # the firewall for the TUN/TAP interface. ;dev tap dev tun # Windows needs the TAP-Win32 adapter name # from the Network Connections panel if you # have more than one. On XP SP2 or higher, # you may need to selectively disable the # Windows firewall for the TAP adapter. # Non-Windows systems usually don't need this. ;dev-node MyTap # SSL/TLS root certificate (ca), certificate # (cert), and private key (key). Each client # and the server must have their own cert and # key file. The server and all clients will # use the same ca file. # # See the "easy-rsa" directory for a series # of scripts for generating RSA certificates # and private keys. Remember to use # a unique Common Name for the server # and each of the client certificates. # # Any X509 key management system can be used. # OpenVPN can also use a PKCS #12 formatted key file # (see "pkcs12" directive in man page). ca ca.crt cert server.crt key server.key # This file should be kept secret # Diffie hellman parameters. # Generate your own with: # openssl dhparam -out dh1024.pem 1024 # Substitute 2048 for 1024 if you are using # 2048 bit keys. dh dh1024.pem # Configure server mode and supply a VPN subnet # for OpenVPN to draw client addresses from. # The server will take 10.8.0.1 for itself, # the rest will be made available to clients. # Each client will be able to reach the server # on 10.8.0.1. Comment this line out if you are # ethernet bridging. See the man page for more info. server 10.8.0.0 255.255.255.0 # Maintain a record of client <-> virtual IP address # associations in this file. If OpenVPN goes down or # is restarted, reconnecting clients can be assigned # the same virtual IP address from the pool that was # previously assigned. ifconfig-pool-persist ipp.txt # Configure server mode for ethernet bridging. # You must first use your OS's bridging capability # to bridge the TAP interface with the ethernet # NIC interface. Then you must manually set the # IP/netmask on the bridge interface, here we # assume 10.8.0.4/255.255.255.0. Finally we # must set aside an IP range in this subnet # (start=10.8.0.50 end=10.8.0.100) to allocate # to connecting clients. Leave this line commented # out unless you are ethernet bridging. ;server-bridge 10.8.0.4 255.255.255.0 10.8.0.50 10.8.0.100 # Configure server mode for ethernet bridging # using a DHCP-proxy, where clients talk # to the OpenVPN server-side DHCP server # to receive their IP address allocation # and DNS server addresses. You must first use # your OS's bridging capability to bridge the TAP # interface with the ethernet NIC interface. # Note: this mode only works on clients (such as # Windows), where the client-side TAP adapter is # bound to a DHCP client. ;server-bridge # Push routes to the client to allow it # to reach other private subnets behind # the server. Remember that these # private subnets will also need # to know to route the OpenVPN client # address pool (10.8.0.0/255.255.255.0) # back to the OpenVPN server. ;push "route 192.168.10.0 255.255.255.0" ;push "route 192.168.20.0 255.255.255.0" # To assign specific IP addresses to specific # clients or if a connecting client has a private # subnet behind it that should also have VPN access, # use the subdirectory "ccd" for client-specific # configuration files (see man page for more info). # EXAMPLE: Suppose the client # having the certificate common name "Thelonious" # also has a small subnet behind his connecting # machine, such as 192.168.40.128/255.255.255.248. # First, uncomment out these lines: ;client-config-dir ccd ;route 192.168.40.128 255.255.255.248 # Then create a file ccd/Thelonious with this line: # iroute 192.168.40.128 255.255.255.248 # This will allow Thelonious' private subnet to # access the VPN. This example will only work # if you are routing, not bridging, i.e. you are # using "dev tun" and "server" directives. # EXAMPLE: Suppose you want to give # Thelonious a fixed VPN IP address of 10.9.0.1. # First uncomment out these lines: ;client-config-dir ccd ;route 10.9.0.0 255.255.255.252 # Then add this line to ccd/Thelonious: # ifconfig-push 10.9.0.1 10.9.0.2 # Suppose that you want to enable different # firewall access policies for different groups # of clients. There are two methods: # (1) Run multiple OpenVPN daemons, one for each # group, and firewall the TUN/TAP interface # for each group/daemon appropriately. # (2) (Advanced) Create a script to dynamically # modify the firewall in response to access # from different clients. See man # page for more info on learn-address script. ;learn-address ./script # If enabled, this directive will configure # all clients to redirect their default # network gateway through the VPN, causing # all IP traffic such as web browsing and # and DNS lookups to go through the VPN # (The OpenVPN server machine may need to NAT # or bridge the TUN/TAP interface to the internet # in order for this to work properly). ;push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp" # Certain Windows-specific network settings # can be pushed to clients, such as DNS # or WINS server addresses. CAVEAT: # http://openvpn.net/faq.html#dhcpcaveats # The addresses below refer to the public # DNS servers provided by opendns.com. ;push "dhcp-option DNS 208.67.222.222" ;push "dhcp-option DNS 208.67.220.220" # Uncomment this directive to allow different # clients to be able to "see" each other. # By default, clients will only see the server. # To force clients to only see the server, you # will also need to appropriately firewall the # server's TUN/TAP interface. ;client-to-client # Uncomment this directive if multiple clients # might connect with the same certificate/key # files or common names. This is recommended # only for testing purposes. For production use, # each client should have its own certificate/key # pair. # # IF YOU HAVE NOT GENERATED INDIVIDUAL # CERTIFICATE/KEY PAIRS FOR EACH CLIENT, # EACH HAVING ITS OWN UNIQUE "COMMON NAME", # UNCOMMENT THIS LINE OUT. ;duplicate-cn # The keepalive directive causes ping-like # messages to be sent back and forth over # the link so that each side knows when # the other side has gone down. # Ping every 10 seconds, assume that remote # peer is down if no ping received during # a 120 second time period. keepalive 10 120 # For extra security beyond that provided # by SSL/TLS, create an "HMAC firewall" # to help block DoS attacks and UDP port flooding. # # Generate with: # openvpn --genkey --secret ta.key # # The server and each client must have # a copy of this key. # The second parameter should be '0' # on the server and '1' on the clients. ;tls-auth ta.key 0 # This file is secret # Select a cryptographic cipher. # This config item must be copied to # the client config file as well. ;cipher BF-CBC # Blowfish (default) ;cipher AES-128-CBC # AES cipher DES-EDE3-CBC # Triple-DES # Enable compression on the VPN link. # If you enable it here, you must also # enable it in the client config file. comp-lzo # The maximum number of concurrently connected # clients we want to allow. ;max-clients 100 # It's a good idea to reduce the OpenVPN # daemon's privileges after initialization. # # You can uncomment this out on # non-Windows systems. ;user nobody ;group nogroup # The persist options will try to avoid # accessing certain resources on restart # that may no longer be accessible because # of the privilege downgrade. persist-key persist-tun # Output a short status file showing # current connections, truncated # and rewritten every minute. status openvpn-status.log # By default, log messages will go to the syslog (or # on Windows, if running as a service, they will go to # the "\Program Files\OpenVPN\log" directory). # Use log or log-append to override this default. # "log" will truncate the log file on OpenVPN startup, # while "log-append" will append to it. Use one # or the other (but not both). ;log openvpn.log ;log-append openvpn.log # Set the appropriate level of log # file verbosity. # # 0 is silent, except for fatal errors # 4 is reasonable for general usage # 5 and 6 can help to debug connection problems # 9 is extremely verbose verb 3 # Silence repeating messages. At most 20 # sequential messages of the same message # category will be output to the log. ;mute 20 ######################################################################################## Thanks for the help guys! :D Justin On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Erik Falor wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:43:14AM -0600, Matthew Hatch wrote: >> >> Ironically enough, I just barely finished setting up a squid proxy when >> I read that. ?After toying around with -D, I promptly disabled squid as >> this suits my needs just fine. > > -D works great if your browser supports SOCKS. ?Sadly, Opera doesn't, > so I'm still using Squid. ?On the upside, Squid provides caching and > other useful services, so it's not a total loss. > >> Bravo. ?I've been using ssh port forwarding for years, but I've never >> noticed the dynamic option. >> > > Bravo indeed. ?It seems that I learn a new SSH trick every week. > Where would our society be without this amazing tool? ?We'd probably > still be rubbing sticks together to cook our food. > > -- > Erik Falor > Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From matthew at azza.com Fri Jun 12 14:44:31 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Fri Jun 12 14:44:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906121338r5f857147s4770ee833ef9c3c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> <20090612193747.GL3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906121338r5f857147s4770ee833ef9c3c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A32BE2F.8060608@azza.com> Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > The only OS that won't work on is Windows (unfortunately we cannot > escape MS in most business environments), since SSH doesn't work in > Windows ;) Unless... is there a way to invoke a session through PuTTY > that way? It does indeed work in PuTTY. When setting up your port forwarding, select the dynamic option. You can even check the box to allow other machines on your network to access the forwarded port giving them proxy stuff as well (provided your firewall is configured properly). I tested this all out as I suddenly became obsessed with all the different ways I could implement this. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With PuTTY you can use plink. It will even accept the -D option, just like OpenSSH. If you must you the PuTTY GUI, you can create a dynamic port forward (SOCKS proxy) in the Connection->SSH->Tunnels page. -- Byron Clark From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 15:38:48 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Fri Jun 12 15:38:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <20090612204551.GC2625@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> <20090612193747.GL3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906121338r5f857147s4770ee833ef9c3c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090612204551.GC2625@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906121438q1e27656bqb0ccfea7aec1240f@mail.gmail.com> Ok, I see that. Do I put anything in the Destination field? And do I do anything in the checkboxes at the top? Thanks, Justin On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Byron Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 02:38:19PM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> ?The only OS that won't work on is Windows (unfortunately we cannot >> escape MS in most business environments), since SSH doesn't work in >> Windows ;) Unless... is there a way to invoke a session through PuTTY >> that way? > > With PuTTY you can use plink. ?It will even accept the -D option, just > like OpenSSH. ?If you must you the PuTTY GUI, you can create a dynamic > port forward (SOCKS proxy) in the Connection->SSH->Tunnels page. > > -- > Byron Clark > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 19:43:26 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Fri Jun 12 19:43:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> References: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> Message-ID: eh, maybe I'll do blender. practice for UTOSC. I will if I can come, which is about a 30% chance, so don't cont on me... :( however if i can come I would really love to present. On 6/12/09, Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey all, SLLUG meeting is on Wednesday next week (June 17th, 2009). > Anyone want to present on a Linux related topic? > > Requested topics have included home automation, audio, video, new distro > demos (fedora, ubuntu, etc), system administration topics (huge range of > topics there), mythtv, Photo editing/management, embedded Linux devices, > etc.... > > Drop a line to comments@sllug.org if you're willing to present! > > Thanks! > > -- > Marc Christensen > http://www.sllug.org > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From u235sentinel at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 23:18:59 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Fri Jun 12 23:19:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: References: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> Message-ID: <4A3336C3.3060701@gmail.com> I'd love to come and learn more about blender. It's something I've been messing with for a couple months on and off. I'm a major novice and could use some tutoring :-) Depends on whether I can get the time off from work. It's difficult to find free time these days at best ... Christian Horne wrote: > eh, maybe I'll do blender. practice for UTOSC. > I will if I can come, which is about a 30% chance, > so don't cont on me... :( > > however if i can come I would really love to present. > > > From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 00:45:57 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Jun 13 00:46:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: <4A3336C3.3060701@gmail.com> References: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> <4A3336C3.3060701@gmail.com> Message-ID: ok well I'll try to get out of anything else I have that night then. On 6/13/09, u235sentinel wrote: > I'd love to come and learn more about blender. It's something I've been > messing with for a couple months on and off. I'm a major novice and > could use some tutoring :-) > > Depends on whether I can get the time off from work. It's difficult to > find free time these days at best ... > > > > Christian Horne wrote: >> eh, maybe I'll do blender. practice for UTOSC. >> I will if I can come, which is about a 30% chance, >> so don't cont on me... :( >> >> however if i can come I would really love to present. >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 01:31:58 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Jun 13 01:32:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: References: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> <4A3336C3.3060701@gmail.com> Message-ID: which part of it should I present on, if anyone cares? Game Engine Modeling / Texturing the Video Sequence Editor / Rendering / Compositing Basics/Interface Simulations On 6/13/09, Christian Horne wrote: > ok well I'll try to get out of anything else I have that night then. > > On 6/13/09, u235sentinel wrote: >> I'd love to come and learn more about blender. It's something I've been >> messing with for a couple months on and off. I'm a major novice and >> could use some tutoring :-) >> >> Depends on whether I can get the time off from work. It's difficult to >> find free time these days at best ... >> >> >> >> Christian Horne wrote: >>> eh, maybe I'll do blender. practice for UTOSC. >>> I will if I can come, which is about a 30% chance, >>> so don't cont on me... :( >>> >>> however if i can come I would really love to present. >>> >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > -- the blendmaster From marc at sllug.org Sat Jun 13 07:17:59 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Sat Jun 13 07:18:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: References: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> <4A3336C3.3060701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A33A707.8040309@sllug.org> Christian Horne wrote: > ok well I'll try to get out of anything else I have that night then. Cool! This would be an awesome presentation! Let me know if you can get out of your other commitments and I'll make the announcement if you can. -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 13:04:22 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sat Jun 13 13:04:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906121457l1a0a73b5j67b6494046304014@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> <20090612193747.GL3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906121338r5f857147s4770ee833ef9c3c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090612204551.GC2625@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <2f932a4a0906121438q1e27656bqb0ccfea7aec1240f@mail.gmail.com> <20090612214854.GD2625@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <2f932a4a0906121457l1a0a73b5j67b6494046304014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906131204h2ccf4e42y3b337fd4dbaec2dc@mail.gmail.com> That worked beautifully! :P Now one question I was wondering about, is would creating a tunnel through SSH function much like a typical VPN tunnel, to where routes and packets are then bound to the tunnel when active? On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Sweet. Thanks for the info. :) Thats why UNIX is the grandfather of > all OS', it's capable of anything you can put your mind to... :P > > Happy 40th Birthday UNIX! :D > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Byron Clark wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 03:38:48PM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >>> Ok, I see that. Do I put anything in the Destination field? >> >> Nope, just a port and select the 'Dynamic' radio button. >> >>> And do I do anything in the checkboxes at the top? >> >> Only if you want other machines to be able to connect to the forwarded >> port on your local machine. >> >> -- >> Byron Clark >> >> > From csum77 at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 16:40:06 2009 From: csum77 at gmail.com (csum77@gmail.com) Date: Sat Jun 13 17:01:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OS Commerce Message-ID: I have a friend who may need some assistance with OS Commerce. The deployment they're using has been customized, though he's not sure how much. He's looking for someone familiar enough with it that they can get in there and confidently make changes. Does anyone in here know OS Commerce well enough to tackle this? If not, do you know anyone you could refer us to? Thanks in advance... -Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090613/03e1a0c9/attachment.html From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 17:20:09 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Jun 13 17:20:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OS Commerce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: haven't even heard of it! wow! i thought it was windows and POSIXes! On 6/13/09, csum77@gmail.com wrote: > I have a friend who may need some assistance with OS Commerce. The > deployment they're using has been customized, though he's not sure how much. > He's looking for someone familiar enough with it that they can get in there > and confidently make changes. > Does anyone in here know OS Commerce well enough to tackle this? If not, do > you know anyone you could refer us to? > > Thanks in advance... > > -Charlie > -- the blendmaster From haas at xmission.com Sat Jun 13 18:35:56 2009 From: haas at xmission.com (Walt Haas) Date: Sat Jun 13 18:35:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OS Commerce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A3445EC.7090904@xmission.com> csum77@gmail.com wrote: > I have a friend who may need some assistance with OS Commerce. The > deployment they're using has been customized, though he's not sure how > much. He's looking for someone familiar enough with it that they can get > in there and confidently make changes. > > Does anyone in here know OS Commerce well enough to tackle this? If not, > do you know anyone you could refer us to? osCommerce is written in PHP, so you might have better luck on the UPHPU list. That package hasn't seen much development work recently as far as I can tell. I think most people are switching to ZenCart, or for Drupal sites, Ubercart. -- Walt From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 19:03:24 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Jun 13 19:03:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OS Commerce In-Reply-To: <4A3445EC.7090904@xmission.com> References: <4A3445EC.7090904@xmission.com> Message-ID: there is a whole OS written in PHP!?!?!?!?!?! holy crap... On 6/13/09, Walt Haas wrote: > csum77@gmail.com wrote: >> I have a friend who may need some assistance with OS Commerce. The >> deployment they're using has been customized, though he's not sure how >> much. He's looking for someone familiar enough with it that they can get >> in there and confidently make changes. >> >> Does anyone in here know OS Commerce well enough to tackle this? If not, >> do you know anyone you could refer us to? > > osCommerce is written in PHP, so you might have better luck on the UPHPU > list. That package hasn't seen much development work recently as far as > I can tell. I think most people are switching to ZenCart, or for Drupal > sites, Ubercart. > > -- Walt > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From csum77 at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 18:46:50 2009 From: csum77 at gmail.com (csum77@gmail.com) Date: Sat Jun 13 20:01:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OS Commerce In-Reply-To: <4A3445EC.7090904@xmission.com> References: <4A3445EC.7090904@xmission.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the recommendation...UPHPU is a good spot. I'll go post there. -Charlie On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Walt Haas wrote: > csum77@gmail.com wrote: > >> I have a friend who may need some assistance with OS Commerce. The >> deployment they're using has been customized, though he's not sure how much. >> He's looking for someone familiar enough with it that they can get in there >> and confidently make changes. >> >> Does anyone in here know OS Commerce well enough to tackle this? If not, >> do you know anyone you could refer us to? >> > > osCommerce is written in PHP, so you might have better luck on the UPHPU > list. That package hasn't seen much development work recently as far as I > can tell. I think most people are switching to ZenCart, or for Drupal > sites, Ubercart. > > -- Walt > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906141239.04073.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090614/deace1c8/attachment.pgp From wattwood at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 14:18:42 2009 From: wattwood at gmail.com (William Atteood) Date: Sun Jun 14 14:19:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Take My Old Monitor! In-Reply-To: <200906141239.04073.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906081848.29609.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200906141239.04073.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll take it :). Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > On Monday 08 June 2009 18:48:19 Kevin Benko wrote: > > I need to apologize about something. > I tend to be a bit *thourough* ((some would say anal-retentive)) > about noting who replied to what email, and have probably > misunderstood a reply that was intended for me. > > Anyway.... > If anyone wants this boat-anchor/monitor, email me off-list and > we'll arrange logistics. > > -- > Kevin Benko > > "The genuine coherence of our ideas does not come from the reasoning > that ties them together, but from the spiritual impulse that gives > rise > to them." > -- Nicol??s G??mez D??vila > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From reilithion at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 22:13:16 2009 From: reilithion at gmail.com (Lucas Paul) Date: Sun Jun 14 22:13:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: <4A33A707.8040309@sllug.org> References: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> <4A3336C3.3060701@gmail.com> <4A33A707.8040309@sllug.org> Message-ID: Personally, I'd like some tips on textures. I can make a 3d shape pretty okay by now, and have a few that I'm rather proud of, actually. But I don't end up making any really good renders of them for the simple reason that I can't make textures that do them justice. Even UV Mapping eludes me to a certain extent. Lighting is another area where my skills are very sub-par. When you mention the Game Engine and Simulations, though, that interests me a great deal as well. I haven't used those much at all. Actually, looking at your list, there isn't a thing on there that I couldn't use help with. -- ????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090614/3b60241d/attachment.html From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 23:25:25 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sun Jun 14 23:25:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: References: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> <4A3336C3.3060701@gmail.com> <4A33A707.8040309@sllug.org> Message-ID: ok, well, I'll present on the VSE and the image editor, then show the game I'm making and some of it's data files, then ask what people want. do I need to bring a computer that can handle blender, or will there be one there? I can probably grab my tower, power cord, keyboard and mouse on the way out as long as there is a projector. On 6/15/09, Lucas Paul wrote: > Personally, I'd like some tips on textures. I can make a 3d shape pretty > okay by now, and have a few that I'm rather proud of, actually. But I don't > end up making any really good renders of them for the simple reason that I > can't make textures that do them justice. Even UV Mapping eludes me to a > certain extent. Lighting is another area where my skills are very sub-par. > > When you mention the Game Engine and Simulations, though, that interests me > a great deal as well. I haven't used those much at all. Actually, looking > at your list, there isn't a thing on there that I couldn't use help with. > > -- > $B5$$r$D$1$F(B > -- the blendmaster From marc at sllug.org Sun Jun 14 23:41:55 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Sun Jun 14 23:42:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Hey, anyone want to present next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: References: <4A327E77.4090800@sllug.org> <4A3336C3.3060701@gmail.com> <4A33A707.8040309@sllug.org> Message-ID: <4A35DF23.7020401@sllug.org> Christian Horne wrote: > ok, well, I'll present on the VSE and the image editor, then show the > game I'm making and some of it's data files, > then ask what people want. > > do I need to bring a computer that can handle blender, or will there > be one there? > I can probably grab my tower, power cord, keyboard and mouse on the > way out as long as there is a projector. There's a projector but no computer so please bring yours. I can help set up and carry things in if you need. I plan on being there about 15 - 20 minutes early. Thanks again for presenting. I'm excited - I think it will be a great presentation. Oh, can you send me a blurb about you and what you'll cover about blender that I can put in the announcement? Thanks! -- Marc From byron at theclarkfamily.name Sat Jun 13 13:21:28 2009 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Mon Jun 15 06:52:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906131204h2ccf4e42y3b337fd4dbaec2dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> <20090612193747.GL3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906121338r5f857147s4770ee833ef9c3c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090612204551.GC2625@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <2f932a4a0906121438q1e27656bqb0ccfea7aec1240f@mail.gmail.com> <20090612214854.GD2625@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <2f932a4a0906121457l1a0a73b5j67b6494046304014@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0906131204h2ccf4e42y3b337fd4dbaec2dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090613192128.GA2710@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 01:04:22PM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Now one question I was wondering about, is would creating a tunnel > through SSH function much like a typical VPN tunnel, to where routes > and packets are then bound to the tunnel when active? No, the -D option only creates a dynamic tunnel and requires software that knows how to speak SOCKS. Other SSH tunnels (local) are just a port on localhost. A VPN tunnel usually creates an network device where traffic can be routed. -- Byron Clark From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 08:32:35 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Mon Jun 15 08:32:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) In-Reply-To: <20090613192128.GA2710@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> References: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> <4A3285A2.1040509@azza.com> <20090612193747.GL3369@gnu.prunk.si> <2f932a4a0906121338r5f857147s4770ee833ef9c3c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090612204551.GC2625@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <2f932a4a0906121438q1e27656bqb0ccfea7aec1240f@mail.gmail.com> <20090612214854.GD2625@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <2f932a4a0906121457l1a0a73b5j67b6494046304014@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0906131204h2ccf4e42y3b337fd4dbaec2dc@mail.gmail.com> <20090613192128.GA2710@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> Message-ID: <614c1080906150732r32ac918av9fc26f6d15ff0d54@mail.gmail.com> Fortunately, there is an application out there called tsocks, which can proxy and request through SOCKS. http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/ --Shane On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Byron Clark wrote: > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 01:04:22PM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > Now one question I was wondering about, is would creating a tunnel > > through SSH function much like a typical VPN tunnel, to where routes > > and packets are then bound to the tunnel when active? > > No, the -D option only creates a dynamic tunnel and requires software > that knows how to speak SOCKS. 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Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090615/46b86e8b/attachment.pgp From jigglyglen at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 19:55:53 2009 From: jigglyglen at gmail.com (Leo Mata) Date: Mon Jun 15 19:56:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <200906151902.19901.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200906151902.19901.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know about livecd version but you might want to look at something already bundled to do office user friendly stuff..I like clarkconnect for this... included samba, print server and firewall among other things. http://www.clarkconnect.com/ the new version 5 is almost released it is based on centos5. it has a very easy to use interface (web) or you can do old school stuff and ssh into it. heh -Leo On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > On Monday 15 June 2009 18:46:16 Kevin Benko wrote: > > Greetings: > [snip] > > > Yes, I'm responding to my own email.... > > > With respect to that printer/scanner... I'll need to get the model number > of the thing, so that portion of my requested advice is "mostly harmless". > > > -- > Kevin Benko > > > "The morning cup of coffee has an exhilaration about it which the > cheering influence of the afternoon or evening cup of tea cannot be > expected to reproduce." > -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. Over the Teacups (1891). > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090615/4dac23c4/attachment.htm From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Jun 15 20:42:09 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Mon Jun 15 20:42:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245120129.26158.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> don't know about LAN operation, but for me, a newbie to Linux, Ubuntu is superior. with a little tinkering i have twinview going and even installed some software from a .gz file! it was not as easy as Windows. however i find it easy to use and best of all Ubuntu found everything, configured everything and was running quicker than the install and setup of WindowsXP. jack On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 18:46 -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: > > > > I was talking with the owner of a local small business. In passing, I > mentioned the openmoko and the conversation shifted to GNU+Linux so > fast you probably noticed the blue shift a few hours ago. > > > > The guy is having issues with Moft + LAN + printer/scanner > And asked about Linux as a solution to his frustrations on one > particular computer in his office. > > > > Problem #1: I've had my brain warped by computers since the early > 1980's, and I really have difficulty with my concept of "easy" versus > normal people's concept of "easy"... I like messing around with > hardware/software and I take a great deal for granted with respect to > what newbies can reasonably deal with. > > > > Problem #2: The guy was uber-vague with what he actually wanted. > > > > I told him I'd come in with a live-CD and see what we can do. > > > > Here's what I'm looking for: > A super-newbie-friendly distribution, preferably with a live-CD > option. > It's got to be "easy" for a newbie to use an off-brand printer/scanner > over the LAN (this particular printer/scanner is a "Savin" or > "Saven"... I'll look into it) > > > > I would guess that Ubuntu would be the distro of choice, but there > might be one out there that is more LAN-oriented. > > > > If he is happy with GNU+Linux on that first machine.... it could be > the whole office... bwahahahahaha!!!! > > > > -- > Kevin Benko > > > > A zygote is a gamete's way of producing more gametes. This may be the > purpose of the universe. > -- RAH > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090615/ea3ad05b/attachment.html From kevin at utahsysadmin.com Mon Jun 15 23:36:56 2009 From: kevin at utahsysadmin.com (Kevin Pendleton) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:35:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) Message-ID: <4A372F78.3090206@utahsysadmin.com> Sorry about the formatting. Replying to the digest is so annoying... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:57:51 -0600 From: Justin Brinkerhoff Subject: [sllug-members]: OpenVPN and Websense (or any other proxy filtering) To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906112257q118f033dk2f73768859f6a719@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I got to work, and connected through my tunnel, and I get an IP just > fine. So then I close out of Firefox, and open it back up and test it > with something simple and obvious; youtube. Low and behold, I get the > websense blockage page. In the Cisco world you have what's called "split-tunneling" enabled on the client. Normally, when you VPN somewhere, you want the Internet to *NOT* go through the tunnel, but through your normal Internet connection (intranet sites would still route through the tunnel). I don't know anything about OpenVPN (sorry), but I would assume the default is to have it enabled (whatever they call it). For your purpose you would want to disable that feature. Of course, at some point big brother could also block VPN connections (and SSH for that matter) through the external firewall. They are both blocked where I work. I would recommend working with them on proper filtering rather than going around corporate policies. HTH, Kevin From allen.schultz at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 23:21:24 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:49:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <85251771.2312355.1245129684418.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn05.prod> LinkedIn ------------ Allen Schultz requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Pavel, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Allen View invitation from Allen Schultz http://www.linkedin.com/e/dAkZCgmk-DluY3OQdWkt7XyClmunQ3FDr04N/blk/1252144902_2/0OnP8MejgQcj8Rcz4LqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ ------------------------------------------ DID YOU KNOW your LinkedIn profile helps you control your public image when people search for you? Setting your profile as public means your LinkedIn profile will come up when people enter your name in leading search engines. Take control of your image! http://www.linkedin.com/e/ewp/inv-22/ ------ (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090615/60ec7a0b/attachment.htm From allen.schultz at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 00:02:59 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Tue Jun 16 00:03:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <85251771.2312355.1245129684418.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn05.prod> References: <85251771.2312355.1245129684418.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn05.prod> Message-ID: <3f34f8420906152302y15bafd65k57423dfe2dd774b1@mail.gmail.com> Wow. Didnt see the list in that. Please ignore. :) On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Allen Schultz wrote: > LinkedIn > > Allen Schultz requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: > > > > Pavel, > > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > - Allen > > View invitation from Allen Schultz > > > > DID YOU KNOW your LinkedIn profile helps you control your public image when > people search for you? > Setting your profile as public means your LinkedIn profile will come up when > people enter your name in leading search engines. Take control of your > image! > > > > ? 2009, LinkedIn Corporation > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Allen Schultz pub 3072R/DAD4736B 2009-05-20 Key fingerprint = 16AD EFE1 D68F C8A8 B086 68CD 1A35 85C7 DAD4 736B uid Allen Schultz (aldaek) uid [jpeg image of size 6128] sub 2048R/F55651E0 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] sub 2048R/5687B83E 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] From jared.bernard at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 08:37:39 2009 From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard) Date: Tue Jun 16 08:47:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Kevin Benko wrote: > > Here's what I'm looking for: > A super-newbie-friendly distribution, preferably with a live-CD option. > It's got to be "easy" for a newbie to use an off-brand printer/scanner > over the LAN (this particular printer/scanner is a "Savin" or "Saven"... > I'll look into it) > > I would guess that Ubuntu would be the distro of choice, but there might > be one out there that is more LAN-oriented. I would recommend Linux Mint which is Ubuntu made even more simple. I've been impressed with the way Mint configures samba out of the box, recognizing workstations and other devices on the network automatically. It's new package updating application makes maintaining updates and package management the easiest I've seen in any distro. Multimedia codecs come installed by default. Repos are compatible with Ubuntu and it's 10 x better looking then Ubuntu. Jared From namonai at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 08:58:43 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Tue Jun 16 08:58:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> Stay away from Fedora 11 for a new user. It has a few dozen showstopper bugs. I love Fedora, but this release has been awful. If anyone is using 11, and likes gnome-do, I've put the plugins into an RPM (apparently they forgot all about them): http://www.xmission.com/~ink/gnome-do/ -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From sdmorrey at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 09:10:13 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Tue Jun 16 09:10:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd like to second ubuntu on this, for any noob ubuntu is best :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Craig Kelley wrote: > Stay away from Fedora 11 for a new user. It has a few dozen > showstopper bugs. I love Fedora, but this release has been awful. > > If anyone is using 11, and likes gnome-do, I've put the plugins into > an RPM (apparently they forgot all about them): > > http://www.xmission.com/~ink/gnome-do/ > > -- > http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger > ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090616/cb12051f/attachment.html From marc at sllug.org Tue Jun 16 09:33:37 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Jun 16 09:33:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting: Wed. June 17, 2009: Blender 3D content creation suite!!!! Message-ID: <4A37BB51.2000306@sllug.org> The June 17, 2009 Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting will be on Blender a free open source 3D content creation suite, available for all major operating systems under the GPL presented by Christian Horn. This meeting is going to rock! Christian will be covering the VSE and the image editor, then show the game he's been working on followed up by some questions and answers. More info on blender can be found here: http://www.blender.org/ http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/features/ Time/Date: ---------- Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:10pm p.m. Place: ---------- Room 101 or 103 in Lower Warnock Engineering Building Directions/Parking: Directions - [http://www.map.utah.edu/index.jsp?find=62] Parking can be found just East of the WEB building and there is a big lot just North of the Merrill Engineering building (MEB). Parking is free after 6:00 (Based on the signs posted. Always check in case this changes.) Special thanks go to: - U of U for providing the meeting room. - Various Volunteers From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 11:23:39 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Jun 16 12:24:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> Steven Morrey wrote: > I'd like to second ubuntu on this, for any noob ubuntu is best :) > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Craig Kelley > wrote: > > Stay away from Fedora 11 for a new user. It has a few dozen > showstopper bugs. I love Fedora, but this release has been awful. > > If anyone is using 11, and likes gnome-do, I've put the plugins into > an RPM (apparently they forgot all about them): > > http://www.xmission.com/~ink/gnome-do/ > > > -- > I'll throw my hat into that ring. I've been with RedHat for years then OpenSuse along with BSD and Debian. When I heard about Ubuntu I discounted it but realized just how amazing it was. I've been using it with Wine to run my Windows programs when needed. Lately I've been working with Crossover games 7.2.0 and have been amazed with how well it all works. Xmission also has a Ubuntu repository which is great :D From marc at sllug.org Tue Jun 16 12:28:26 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Jun 16 12:28:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting: Wed. June 17, 2009: Blender 3D content creation suite!!!! Message-ID: <4A37E44A.4050306@sllug.org> [As luck would have it, there was a power outage that took down the server right when I sent this email. Not sure who actually received it so I'm resending.] The June 17, 2009 Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting will be on Blender a free open source 3D content creation suite, available for all major operating systems under the GPL presented by Christian Horn. This meeting is going to rock! Christian will be covering the VSE and the image editor, then show the game he's been working on followed up by some questions and answers. More info on blender can be found here: http://www.blender.org/ http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/features/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_(software) Time/Date: ---------- Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:10pm p.m. Place: ---------- Room 101 or 103 in Lower Warnock Engineering Building Directions/Parking: Directions - [http://www.map.utah.edu/index.jsp?find=62] Parking can be found just East of the WEB building and there is a big lot just North of the Merrill Engineering building (MEB). Parking is free after 6:00 (Based on the signs posted. Always check in case this changes.) Special thanks go to: - U of U for providing the meeting room. - Various Volunteers From jared.bernard at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 13:05:51 2009 From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard) Date: Tue Jun 16 13:15:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, u235sentinel wrote: > Steven Morrey wrote: >> I'd like to second ubuntu on this, for any noob ubuntu is best :) Just to satisify my own curiosity, for those who recommended Ubuntu, have any of you tried Linux Mint? If you have, I would just like to know why you would choose Ubuntu over Mint. I'm not asking because I'm a fanboy of Mint, in fact I'm not currently even running that distro on any of my computers. I running everything but Mint (Kubuntu, Slack, Debian, Cruchbang!). I just have recommended Mint over Ubuntu to several people, because I've been impressived with it's customization and feel it fits new-comers better for reasons I mentioned in my last email. I guess I'm just wondering if there's something I'm not seeing and should change my recommendation. Jared From benko.kevin at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 13:17:04 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Tue Jun 16 13:17:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906161317.14799.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have, I would just like to know why you would > choose Ubuntu over Mint. I'm not asking because I'm a fanboy of Mint, in > fact > I'm not currently even running that distro on any of my computers. I > running > everything but Mint (Kubuntu, Slack, Debian, Cruchbang!). I just have > recommended Mint over Ubuntu to several people, because I've been > impressived > with it's customization and feel it fits new-comers better for reasons I > mentioned in my last email. I guess I'm just wondering if there's something > I'm > not seeing and should change my recommendation. Mint _is_ Ubuntu. It's a polished version of it; being based on Debian and using Ubuntu repositories. I have a buddy who is new to Linux and he loves Mint. -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090616/08846b79/attachment.html From unum at unum5.org Tue Jun 16 13:35:39 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Tue Jun 16 13:36:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A37F40B.3030501@unum5.org> Jared Bernard wrote: > > Just to satisify my own curiosity, for those who recommended Ubuntu, > have any of > you tried Linux Mint? If you have, I would just like to know why you > would > choose Ubuntu over Mint. I'm not asking because I'm a fanboy of Mint, > in fact > I'm not currently even running that distro on any of my computers. I > running > everything but Mint (Kubuntu, Slack, Debian, Cruchbang!). I just have > recommended Mint over Ubuntu to several people, because I've been > impressived > with it's customization and feel it fits new-comers better for reasons I > mentioned in my last email. I guess I'm just wondering if there's > something I'm > not seeing and should change my recommendation. I worry about recommending non-major distros to newbies because I don't know what kind of support they are going to get with out me. If I tell someone Ubuntu,Fedora, or OpenSuse, I know he'll be able to find someone else familiar with them if I'm not available any more. I feel fairly certain that the repositories will stay up and they will be able to get security updates. So I just have a bias against the smaller distros, which is in some ways unfair because that's what makes Linux great(choice), but I hate to get someone set up on something that I'm not confident they'll be able to continue to use. I also worry about them having the full range of options of open source software to install(easily from repositories with out having to learn how to install with source). Kyle From unum at unum5.org Tue Jun 16 13:36:19 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Tue Jun 16 13:36:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <847993120906161229u141ae48cjff8844585fbfa209@mail.gmail.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> <847993120906161229u141ae48cjff8844585fbfa209@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A37F433.8040803@unum5.org> Craig Kelley wrote: > > > Mint _is_ Ubuntu. It's a polished version of it; being based on > Debian and using Ubuntu repositories. I have a buddy who is new to > Linux and he loves Mint. > Well then, ignore my last email :) Kyle From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 13:51:21 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Tue Jun 16 13:51:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <4A37F433.8040803@unum5.org> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> <847993120906161229u141ae48cjff8844585fbfa209@mail.gmail.com> <4A37F433.8040803@unum5.org> Message-ID: Mint seems to have some pretty good setup and configuration tools. IIRC, they have a one-click store to install software. They have an interesting application menu. Still, Mint is just a customized Ubuntu distro. I liked it for the most part when I tried it. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Kyle Waters wrote: > Craig Kelley wrote: >> >> >> Mint _is_ Ubuntu. ?It's a polished version of it; being based on Debian >> and using Ubuntu repositories. ?I have a buddy who is new to Linux and he >> loves Mint. >> > > Well then, ?ignore my last email :) > > Kyle > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From jared.bernard at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 15:48:44 2009 From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard) Date: Tue Jun 16 15:58:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: MS Crashes TVs Message-ID: <4a381592.20f8720a.1f91.125b@mx.google.com> I love the onion. http://www.theonion.com/content/news/microsoft_ad_campaign_crashing Jared Bernard "Don't Fear the Penguin!" http://bernard-fam.blogspot.com - Personal Family Blog http://mostlycli.blogspot.com - Linux Blog http://www.jaredandcoralee.com/CLIapps.html - Command Linux Applications From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Jun 16 18:10:11 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Tue Jun 16 18:10:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1245197411.12888.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> i had no idea Linux Mint existed. i will give it a try on my other machine and see. jack On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 13:05 -0600, Jared Bernard wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, u235sentinel wrote: > > > Steven Morrey wrote: > >> I'd like to second ubuntu on this, for any noob ubuntu is best :) > > Just to satisify my own curiosity, for those who recommended Ubuntu, have any of > you tried Linux Mint? If you have, I would just like to know why you would > choose Ubuntu over Mint. I'm not asking because I'm a fanboy of Mint, in fact > I'm not currently even running that distro on any of my computers. I running > everything but Mint (Kubuntu, Slack, Debian, Cruchbang!). I just have > recommended Mint over Ubuntu to several people, because I've been impressived > with it's customization and feel it fits new-comers better for reasons I > mentioned in my last email. I guess I'm just wondering if there's something I'm > not seeing and should change my recommendation. > > Jared > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090616/326abe29/attachment.htm From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 19:06:43 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Jun 16 19:07:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <1245197411.12888.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> <1245197411.12888.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <4A3841A3.2000709@gmail.com> jack User wrote: > i had no idea Linux Mint existed. i will give it a try on my other > machine and see. > jack I've been watching them for a while. Looks like they took Ubuntu's code and built it up nicely. I may check it out someday From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Jun 16 22:35:42 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Tue Jun 16 22:36:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need Advice On A Distribution For A Potential GNU+Linux "Convert" In-Reply-To: <4A3841A3.2000709@gmail.com> References: <200906151846.27784.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4a37b089.1e078e0a.07b2.ffffa48d@mx.google.com> <847993120906160758p31f3fa59qbe13e2abcc21a439@mail.gmail.com> <4A37D51B.8010300@gmail.com> <4a37ef66.22ba720a.5395.6455@mx.google.com> <1245197411.12888.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A3841A3.2000709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245213342.16589.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> i have downloaded the ISO file and will try it on my other computer. report later. jack On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 19:06 -0600, u235sentinel wrote: > jack User wrote: > > i had no idea Linux Mint existed. i will give it a try on my other > > machine and see. > > jack > I've been watching them for a while. Looks like they took Ubuntu's code > and built it up nicely. I may check it out someday > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090616/212d5e8f/attachment.html From donlivingston at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 22:53:34 2009 From: donlivingston at gmail.com (Donald Livingston) Date: Tue Jun 16 22:53:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Personal Tech Surplus Sale 2009 Message-ID: <249fe29d0906162153m74b99ef5tf588d89641375ffa@mail.gmail.com> Hello, everyone! Once again I've decided to unburden myself of some my personal tech surplus, and I decided to list it here before posting on craigslist or eBay. Some of this stuff is kinda old as far as technology goes, but it is all functional and in decent shape. If any of the items below interest you, please contact me off list. *2 Home-Built Systems* 350 Mhz Pentium II, 160 MB Ram, 8 GB HD - $35 obo- and/or - 650MHz AMD Athlon, 512 MB Ram, 10GB HD - $50 obo (Pick up both for $75) Both of the above systems have seen a lot of use, but are still functional and can be put to good use with the right setup. *2 Gateway 400VTX Laptops *2 GHz Intel Celeron, 512MB Ram, 30GB HD, 1024x768 display - $100 obo 2.2 GHz Intel Celeron, 512MB Ram, 40GB HD, 1024x768 display - $100 obo In the interest of full disclosure, the DVD/Optical drives on the both of above laptops can be charitably described as "dodgey", the batteries can't hold a charge anymore, and the power buttons sometimes require repeated mashing before they will turn on. Those troubles aside, they both run like champs, and come with the OEM version of WinXP Home Edition. (Pick up both for $175) And finally, *The Tech Surplus Grab-box of Fun! - *$45 obo (the Grab-box has some pretty good stuff in it, but selling it all piecemeal will be an enormous PITA, so I'm selling it all as one item) Logitech cordless Keyboard (ergonomic/curved) and Optical mouse w/ receiver 1 D-Link Ethernet Broadband 4-port router 1 Netgear 5-port Ethernet Switch 2 low capacity Hard drives (4GB Samsung & 10GB Seagate, Both in good condition) USB 1.1 4-port hub Asus Motherboard with 450MHz AMD processor and 256MB Ram Misc Ethernet and Power Cables While I will vouch that all above items are in decent condition and functional, please be aware all sales are final. No warranties, either express or implied, are hereby given. All equipment is supplied as is, without guarantee. The user assumes all responsibility for damages resulting from the use of this equipment, including, but not limited to: frustration, disgust, headaches, nausea, indigestion, dry heaving, premature male-pattern baldness, system abends, disk head-crashes, general malfeasance, floods, fires, shark attack, nerve gas, locust infestation, frogs falling from the sky, cyclones, hurricanes, tsunamis, local electromagnetic disruptions, hydraulic brake system failure, invasion, low sperm count, hashing collisions, abnormal wear and tear of friction surfaces, cosmic radiation, inadvertent destruction of sensitive electronic components, amoebic dysentery, windstorms, the Riders of Nazgul, decreased resale value on your home, infuriated chickens, malfunctioning mechanical or electrical devices, peasant uprisings, halitosis, artillery bombardment, explosions, cave-ins, and/or erectile disfunction. (BTW cash only please) -- Don Livingston www.donaldlivingston.com "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090616/86ab661c/attachment.htm From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 10:43:59 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Wed Jun 17 10:44:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux Tip of the Week (chaining commands together makes life easier) Message-ID: Hi Everyone, This is my next tip of the week that I thought might be of value. Most of you probably already know this stuff, some of you may know a better way. My hope here is to give some quick instructions, and information that can be used to increase the general level of knowledge and hopefully make someones life a little better. My tip today is on common commands, and neat tricks you can do with them. For instance, today I had the lovely job of trying to get nagios to dump it's scheduler on a periodic basis so I can graph changes to the schedule over time, this way i can more easily see how changes to configuration options can increase or decrease performance in the real world. The problem is that nagios doesn't really have a "dump my schedule" command. However it does write a lot of data to a file called status.dat. this file contains among other things the next scheduled execution time for each service and host check. There is another problem though, since the data is in alphabetical order but the scheduler operates in order of next check time, therefore I couldn't just grep for the data I needed. So I found a command that could help, this awesome little command allows you to sort data according to a set of rules, in my case I just needed a standard ascending sort. Here's the command I came up with... grep "next_check=" /usr/local/nagios/var/status.dat | grep -v "next_check=0" | sort > check_times.txt Lets analyze this for a moment. The first command is grep, if you don't know what grep is, it's the gnu regular expression parser. If you don't know what a regular expression is, now is a good time to google for it, but in a nutshell it's shorthand for a set of rules. So we are running the command "grep" looking for "next_check=" on the file "/usr/local/nagios/var/status.dat" The next item here is | thats called the pipe, and it's purpose is to take the output from one program and turn it into input for another program. In this case it's grep again but this time we have the -v option. -v means to invert the selection, so in this case anything that is NOT next_check=0 will be our output. Next we have another pipe and we send the output to sort. sort is a great little program that lets you sort any file (or input) according to a set of rules, since we just want the default rules we just leave that part blank. Finally we have the > character this character I like to think of as a funnel, it's proper name is "redirector". It takes the data on the left and send it to the file on the right which we are calling check_times.txt With all of this the output looks like... next_check=1245256932 next_check=1245256932 next_check=1245256938 next_check=1245256938 next_check=1245256938 next_check=1245256939 next_check=1245256939 next_check=1245256939 next_check=1245256939 As you can see it's clearly formatted in a way that will make importing into a spreadsheet or whatever, much, much easier. Now as for applicability, this great and all but what if I want to make this a cron job, that command creates a whole new file every time it's written out, if I'm trying to track changes over time that could make life harder. Enter the appending funnel (appending redirector) >> now our command looks like... grep "next_check=" /usr/local/nagios/var/status.dat | grep -v "next_check=0" | sort >> check_times.txt Now instead of being written over, the new data will simply append itself to the end of the file, each time the command is run. I hope these tips help you. Sincerely, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090617/ffe86ef8/attachment.html From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 14:55:28 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Wed Jun 17 14:55:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mint In-Reply-To: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: Twinview works fine here glad to have it too :) On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, jack User wrote: > My experience using Mint was positive, however some of the applications > are buried too deep in menus. I prefer Ubuntu 8.10. > I have not moved to 9.04 as the driver for twinview on NVIDIA is not yet > operational. > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090617/65624683/attachment.htm From kmahan at xmission.com Wed Jun 17 15:08:48 2009 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Wed Jun 17 15:08:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mint In-Reply-To: References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> I'm also using Twinview with no problems. There IS a problem that KDE 4.x broke support for multiple X screens. When you Twinview 2 monitors that is considered 1 X screen. But if you have 2 graphics cards that'll be 2 X screens. --Kurt Steven Morrey wrote: > Twinview works fine here glad to have it too :) > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, jack User > wrote: > > My experience using Mint was positive, however some of the > applications are buried too deep in menus. I prefer Ubuntu 8.10. > I have not moved to 9.04 as the driver for twinview on NVIDIA is > not yet operational. > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Jun 17 17:35:48 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:35:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mint In-Reply-To: References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1245281748.626.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> are you running 9.04? jack On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:55 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > Twinview works fine here glad to have it too :) > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, jack User > wrote: > > My experience using Mint was positive, however some of the > applications are buried too deep in menus. I prefer Ubuntu > 8.10. > I have not moved to 9.04 as the driver for twinview on NVIDIA > is not yet operational. > jack > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090617/c0c97d06/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Jun 17 17:37:44 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:38:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mint In-Reply-To: <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> i have one card, two monitors and wish to run twinview with an NVIDIA 9300 card. are you running 9.04? which driver? i could not get driver 200 (which runs twinview on 8.10) to run on 9.04. jack On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:08 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > I'm also using Twinview with no problems. > > There IS a problem that KDE 4.x broke support for multiple X screens. > When you Twinview 2 monitors that is considered 1 X screen. But if you > have 2 graphics cards that'll be 2 X screens. > > --Kurt > > Steven Morrey wrote: > > Twinview works fine here glad to have it too :) > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, jack User > > wrote: > > > > My experience using Mint was positive, however some of the > > applications are buried too deep in menus. I prefer Ubuntu 8.10. > > I have not moved to 9.04 as the driver for twinview on NVIDIA is > > not yet operational. > > jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090617/01d4e312/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Jun 17 18:32:14 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Jun 17 18:32:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: correction In-Reply-To: <1245284078.1461.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1245284078.1461.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1245285134.1461.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> synaptic installed driver 180 for nvidia but System>Administration>Hardware drivers does now show that driver as available to activate. anyone know how to fix that in Ubuntu 9.04? jack On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 18:14 -0600, jack User wrote: > driver 180 is the one. > jack > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090617/b66863d8/attachment.htm From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 20:29:46 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Wed Jun 17 20:29:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mint In-Reply-To: <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: I'm running 9.04 nVidia driver version 180.44 On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, jack User wrote: > i have one card, two monitors and wish to run twinview with an NVIDIA 9300 > card. are you running 9.04? which driver? i could not get driver 200 (which > runs twinview on 8.10) to run on 9.04. > jack > > > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:08 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > > I'm also using Twinview with no problems. > > There IS a problem that KDE 4.x broke support for multiple X screens. > When you Twinview 2 monitors that is considered 1 X screen. But if you > have 2 graphics cards that'll be 2 X screens. > > --Kurt > > Steven Morrey wrote: > > Twinview works fine here glad to have it too :) > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, jack User > >> wrote: > > > > My experience using Mint was positive, however some of the > > applications are buried too deep in menus. I prefer Ubuntu 8.10. > > I have not moved to 9.04 as the driver for twinview on NVIDIA is > > not yet operational. > > jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utahsllug-members@sllug.orghttp://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090617/eba50f4a/attachment.html From kmahan at xmission.com Wed Jun 17 20:52:03 2009 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Wed Jun 17 20:52:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mint In-Reply-To: References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <4A39ABD3.70807@xmission.com> I'm running the same -- 9.04 & 180.44 I just ran nvidia-settings (as root), configured the second monitor with twinview, saved the settings, and everything worked. --Kurt Steven Morrey wrote: > I'm running 9.04 nVidia driver version 180.44 > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, jack User > wrote: > > i have one card, two monitors and wish to run twinview with an > NVIDIA 9300 card. are you running 9.04? which driver? i could not > get driver 200 (which runs twinview on 8.10) to run on 9.04. > jack > > > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:08 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: >> I'm also using Twinview with no problems. >> >> There IS a problem that KDE 4.x broke support for multiple X screens. >> When you Twinview 2 monitors that is considered 1 X screen. But if you >> have 2 graphics cards that'll be 2 X screens. >> >> --Kurt >> >> Steven Morrey wrote: >> > Twinview works fine here glad to have it too :) >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, jack User >> > > wrote: >> > >> > My experience using Mint was positive, however some of the >> > applications are buried too deep in menus. I prefer Ubuntu 8.10. >> > I have not moved to 9.04 as the driver for twinview on NVIDIA is >> > not yet operational. >> > jack >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> > channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Jun 17 21:03:57 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Jun 17 21:04:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mint In-Reply-To: <4A39ABD3.70807@xmission.com> References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A39ABD3.70807@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1245294237.1461.15.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you i will run nvidia-settings and see what happens. jack On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 20:52 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > I'm running the same -- 9.04 & 180.44 > > I just ran nvidia-settings (as root), configured the second monitor with > twinview, saved the settings, and everything worked. > > --Kurt > > > > Steven Morrey wrote: > > I'm running 9.04 nVidia driver version 180.44 > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, jack User > > wrote: > > > > i have one card, two monitors and wish to run twinview with an > > NVIDIA 9300 card. are you running 9.04? which driver? i could not > > get driver 200 (which runs twinview on 8.10) to run on 9.04. > > jack > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:08 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > >> I'm also using Twinview with no problems. > >> > >> There IS a problem that KDE 4.x broke support for multiple X screens. > >> When you Twinview 2 monitors that is considered 1 X screen. But if you > >> have 2 graphics cards that'll be 2 X screens. > >> > >> --Kurt > >> > >> Steven Morrey wrote: > >> > Twinview works fine here glad to have it too :) > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, jack User > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > My experience using Mint was positive, however some of the > >> > applications are buried too deep in menus. I prefer Ubuntu 8.10. > >> > I have not moved to 9.04 as the driver for twinview on NVIDIA is > >> > not yet operational. > >> > jack > >> > > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > >> > channel #Utah > >> > sllug-members@sllug.org > >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> > sllug-members@sllug.org > >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090617/c11763a9/attachment.htm From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Jun 18 06:15:56 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack b. friend) Date: Thu Jun 18 06:16:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: trying to configure nvidia driver 180 Message-ID: <1245327356.20303.2.camel@jack-desktop> here is the result of trying to configure nvidia driver 180 which is installed but not seen by Ubuntu 9.04: jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-settings [sudo] password for jack: ERROR: Cannot open display 'jack-desktop:0.0'. ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadow specified on line 19 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowAlpha specified on line 20 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowRed specified on line 21 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowGreen specified on line 22 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowBlue specified on line 23 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowXOffset specified on line 24 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowYOffset specified on line 25 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute SyncToVBlank specified on line 26 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute LogAniso specified on line 27 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute FSAA specified on line 28 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute TextureSharpen specified on line 29 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute AllowFlipping specified on line 30 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute FSAAAppControlled specified on line 31 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute LogAnisoAppControlled specified on line 32 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedBrightness specified on line 33 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenBrightness specified on line 34 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueBrightness specified on line 35 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedContrast specified on line 36 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenContrast specified on line 37 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueContrast specified on line 38 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedGamma specified on line 39 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenGamma specified on line 40 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueGamma specified on line 41 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute DigitalVibrance specified on line 42 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank specified on line 43 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank specified on line 44 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoSyncToDisplay specified on line 45 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). jack@jack-desktop:~$ does anyone have a solution? thank you, jack From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Thu Jun 18 08:22:14 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Thu Jun 18 08:22:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: M$ Breifcase done better in linux? In-Reply-To: <1245294237.1461.15.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A39ABD3.70807@xmission.com> <1245294237.1461.15.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1245334934.5020.129.camel@matt4> M$ took a whack at this problem in Win95 with Briefcase. I can't believe that it hasn't been solved in Linux. I was stewing on this last night and after offering a few helpful ideas, another SLLUG member suggested I post here. Sorry, red-headed stranger, but due to only 4 hrs sleep last night, your name is fuzzy in my mind (Lucas, perhaps?). I have a server with a large (~30GB) repository of files that include PDFs, various OpenOffice and M$ Office docs, text files, and other misc stuff that has accumulated over several years. Some items are updated daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly/annually, others are stored but not updated (like contracts, ads, product labels, or old email), still others are updated sporadically (like policy manuals). The usual work flow pattern is that if I need a document, I find something similar in the repository, copy it to a new filename, work on it, and save it back. Others may do the same. I am also often editing the repository itself, creating new subdirectories, moving files/folders, throwing away duplicates, or whatever. I also often create new documents from scratch, placing them in an appropriate directory (or more likely, creating them on my desktop and eventually moving them to the right place. Much of my work is done on a laptop, and most recently, a netbook with a 8GB SSD (primarily for the longer battery life). The laptop is NOT always connected to the net, let alone the server, though SSH is available if there is a net connection. The whole repository doesn't fit on the laptop, and even if it did, I wouldn't want it all on the laptop (too much unused history). Besides, the bigger the fileset, the longer it takes to sync with the server. What I really want is a tool that keeps the full directory tree on the laptop, so that if I create a new document, I can file it where it goes. Then a bidirectional sync (like Unison) but ONLY for files that EXIST on the laptop (a sparse subset of the full directory tree). That way, I work with a small but current subset of the repository. I need to be able to specify what that subset is. Subversion and Git have been suggested, but I can't tell that they really do this job, as they are oriented to text/code files (mine are mostly binary files of some kind), and they ignore directories, except as repositories for files. They also apparently don't keep filestamp times in sync. Maybe I'm missing something. Bidirectional rsync is difficult (for several reasons), I can't see a way to make unison deal with a sparse tree on one machine, or only directories, not files. Any ideas? Because my carefully constructed bookmark files keep getting trashed when I change machines/browsers/whatever, I have taken to manually building an HTML file I keep on the desktop that points to files and URLs I use often, and I thought maybe I could build a recent/current project documents list the same way, with a text file to track current files (that I want to sync with the repository). I could build that list with a find command, then sync each file. But that won't catch renames, except by deleting the old and creating the new (inefficient, but might work), and files that are deleted on the laptop are ambiguous in their treatment-- the intention could be just to delete the laptop copy (purge the cache, so to speak) or to delete on the repository (e.g. a file that is a duplicate or a draft no longer needed. Any suggestions are welcome. -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From kmahan at xmission.com Thu Jun 18 08:38:25 2009 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Thu Jun 18 08:38:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: trying to configure nvidia driver 180 In-Reply-To: <1245327356.20303.2.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1245327356.20303.2.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <4A3A5161.1040003@xmission.com> Try doing an "xhost +" first. --Kurt jack b. friend wrote: > here is the result of trying to configure nvidia driver 180 which is > installed but not seen by Ubuntu 9.04: > > jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-settings > [sudo] password for jack: > > ERROR: Cannot open display 'jack-desktop:0.0'. > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadow specified on line 19 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowAlpha specified on line 20 > of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowRed specified on line 21 > of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowGreen specified on line 22 > of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowBlue specified on line 23 > of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowXOffset specified on line > 24 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowYOffset specified on line > 25 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute SyncToVBlank specified on line 26 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute LogAniso specified on line 27 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute FSAA specified on line 28 of > configuration > file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute TextureSharpen specified on line 29 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute AllowFlipping specified on line 30 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute FSAAAppControlled specified on line 31 > of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute LogAnisoAppControlled specified on > line 32 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedBrightness specified on line 33 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenBrightness specified on line 34 > of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueBrightness specified on line 35 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedContrast specified on line 36 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenContrast specified on line 37 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueContrast specified on line 38 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedGamma specified on line 39 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenGamma specified on line 40 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueGamma specified on line 41 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute DigitalVibrance specified on line 42 > of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank specified on > line > 43 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no > Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank specified on > line > 44 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no > Display > connection). > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoSyncToDisplay specified on line > 45 of > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > connection). > > jack@jack-desktop:~$ > > does anyone have a solution? > thank you, jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 09:13:08 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Jun 18 09:13:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: M$ Breifcase done better in linux? In-Reply-To: <1245334934.5020.129.camel@matt4> References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A39ABD3.70807@xmission.com> <1245294237.1461.15.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1245334934.5020.129.camel@matt4> Message-ID: I remember Novell had a utility like this called iFolder although I'm not sure it's current status it might just fit the bill. http://www.novell.com/products/ifolder/ Seems like one of the guys on PLUG developed it if memory serves. Sincerely, Steve On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Matt Warnock < mwarnock@ridgecrestherbals.com> wrote: > M$ took a whack at this problem in Win95 with Briefcase. I can't > believe that it hasn't been solved in Linux. I was stewing on this last > night and after offering a few helpful ideas, another SLLUG member > suggested I post here. Sorry, red-headed stranger, but due to only 4 > hrs sleep last night, your name is fuzzy in my mind (Lucas, perhaps?). > > I have a server with a large (~30GB) repository of files that include > PDFs, various OpenOffice and M$ Office docs, text files, and other misc > stuff that has accumulated over several years. Some items are updated > daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly/annually, others are stored but not > updated (like contracts, ads, product labels, or old email), still > others are updated sporadically (like policy manuals). > > The usual work flow pattern is that if I need a document, I find > something similar in the repository, copy it to a new filename, work on > it, and save it back. Others may do the same. I am also often editing > the repository itself, creating new subdirectories, moving > files/folders, throwing away duplicates, or whatever. I also often > create new documents from scratch, placing them in an appropriate > directory (or more likely, creating them on my desktop and eventually > moving them to the right place. > > Much of my work is done on a laptop, and most recently, a netbook with a > 8GB SSD (primarily for the longer battery life). The laptop is NOT > always connected to the net, let alone the server, though SSH is > available if there is a net connection. The whole repository doesn't > fit on the laptop, and even if it did, I wouldn't want it all on the > laptop (too much unused history). Besides, the bigger the fileset, the > longer it takes to sync with the server. > > What I really want is a tool that keeps the full directory tree on the > laptop, so that if I create a new document, I can file it where it goes. > Then a bidirectional sync (like Unison) but ONLY for files that EXIST on > the laptop (a sparse subset of the full directory tree). That way, I > work with a small but current subset of the repository. I need to be > able to specify what that subset is. > > Subversion and Git have been suggested, but I can't tell that they > really do this job, as they are oriented to text/code files (mine are > mostly binary files of some kind), and they ignore directories, except > as repositories for files. They also apparently don't keep filestamp > times in sync. Maybe I'm missing something. Bidirectional rsync is > difficult (for several reasons), I can't see a way to make unison deal > with a sparse tree on one machine, or only directories, not files. Any > ideas? > > Because my carefully constructed bookmark files keep getting trashed > when I change machines/browsers/whatever, I have taken to manually > building an HTML file I keep on the desktop that points to files and > URLs I use often, and I thought maybe I could build a recent/current > project documents list the same way, with a text file to track current > files (that I want to sync with the repository). I could build that > list with a find command, then sync each file. But that won't catch > renames, except by deleting the old and creating the new (inefficient, > but might work), and files that are deleted on the laptop are ambiguous > in their treatment-- the intention could be just to delete the laptop > copy (purge the cache, so to speak) or to delete on the repository (e.g. > a file that is a duplicate or a draft no longer needed. > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > -- > Matt Warnock > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090618/8d6e2170/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Jun 18 09:25:52 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Thu Jun 18 09:26:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: trying to configure nvidia driver 180 In-Reply-To: <4A3A5161.1040003@xmission.com> References: <1245327356.20303.2.camel@jack-desktop> <4A3A5161.1040003@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1245338752.15224.24.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> response to "sudo xhost +" xhost disabled, clients can connect from any host On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 08:38 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > Try doing an "xhost +" first. > > --Kurt > > jack b. friend wrote: > > here is the result of trying to configure nvidia driver 180 which is > > installed but not seen by Ubuntu 9.04: > > > > jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-settings > > [sudo] password for jack: > > > > ERROR: Cannot open display 'jack-desktop:0.0'. > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadow specified on line 19 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowAlpha specified on line 20 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowRed specified on line 21 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowGreen specified on line 22 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowBlue specified on line 23 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowXOffset specified on line > > 24 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowYOffset specified on line > > 25 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute SyncToVBlank specified on line 26 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute LogAniso specified on line 27 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute FSAA specified on line 28 of > > configuration > > file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute TextureSharpen specified on line 29 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute AllowFlipping specified on line 30 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute FSAAAppControlled specified on line 31 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute LogAnisoAppControlled specified on > > line 32 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedBrightness specified on line 33 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenBrightness specified on line 34 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueBrightness specified on line 35 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedContrast specified on line 36 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenContrast specified on line 37 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueContrast specified on line 38 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedGamma specified on line 39 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenGamma specified on line 40 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueGamma specified on line 41 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute DigitalVibrance specified on line 42 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank specified on > > line > > 43 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no > > Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank specified on > > line > > 44 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no > > Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoSyncToDisplay specified on line > > 45 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > jack@jack-desktop:~$ > > > > does anyone have a solution? > > thank you, jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > 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On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:25 AM, jack User wrote: > response to "sudo xhost +" > > xhost disabled, clients can connect from any host > > > > > On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 08:38 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > > Try doing an "xhost +" first. > > --Kurt > > jack b. friend wrote: > > here is the result of trying to configure nvidia driver 180 which is > > installed but not seen by Ubuntu 9.04: > > > > jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-settings > > [sudo] password for jack: > > > > ERROR: Cannot open display 'jack-desktop:0.0'. > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadow specified on line 19 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowAlpha specified on line 20 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowRed specified on line 21 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowGreen specified on line 22 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowBlue specified on line 23 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowXOffset specified on line > > 24 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute CursorShadowYOffset specified on line > > 25 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute SyncToVBlank specified on line 26 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute LogAniso specified on line 27 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute FSAA specified on line 28 of > > configuration > > file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute TextureSharpen specified on line 29 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute AllowFlipping specified on line 30 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute FSAAAppControlled specified on line 31 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute LogAnisoAppControlled specified on > > line 32 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedBrightness specified on line 33 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenBrightness specified on line 34 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueBrightness specified on line 35 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedContrast specified on line 36 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenContrast specified on line 37 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueContrast specified on line 38 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute RedGamma specified on line 39 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute GreenGamma specified on line 40 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute BlueGamma specified on line 41 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute DigitalVibrance specified on line 42 > > of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank specified on > > line > > 43 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no > > Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank specified on > > line > > 44 of configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no > > Display > > connection). > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoSyncToDisplay specified on line > > 45 of > > configuration file '/home/jack/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display > > connection). > > > > jack@jack-desktop:~$ > > > > does anyone have a solution? > > thank you, jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utahsllug-members@sllug.orghttp://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > 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Shaun From thatch45 at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 09:56:01 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Thu Jun 18 09:56:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: trying to configure nvidia driver 180 In-Reply-To: References: <1245327356.20303.2.camel@jack-desktop> <4A3A5D42.8070703@azza.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0906180856q75ab90b0mf00135eda020268f@mail.gmail.com> Ok, the way I do this is to open up the file: /etc/pam.d/su and append this to the bottom line: session optional pam_xauth.so This tells pam that any time you su to another user (in this case, root) to forward all graphical authority (So you can open GUI apps). This line is applied by default in Red Hat distributions and make life much easier! That way when you su - to root you can simply run the nvidia settings application. -Tom Hatch On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Shaun Kruger wrote: > You could try gksudo. > > gksudo -u > > I'm pretty sure it runs things as root while maintaining all the X11 > stuff it needs. 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More information is available online: http://blog.utos.org/2009/05/27/event-nerds-in-the-sun-plug-summer-bbq/ http://plug.org/node/143 See you all there. Cheers, Clint From kevin at utahsysadmin.com Thu Jun 18 11:11:34 2009 From: kevin at utahsysadmin.com (kevin@utahsysadmin.com) Date: Thu Jun 18 11:01:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: trying to configure nvidia driver 180 In-Reply-To: <200906181625.n5IGPjKZ028819@sllug.org> References: <200906181625.n5IGPjKZ028819@sllug.org> Message-ID: <952fee5297dd16a6e7bfb07cc4186506@127.0.0.1> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:25:49 -0600, sllug-members-request@sllug.org wrote: > Rather than using sudo, try becoming root using 'su -' and then running > nvidia-settings. Often times, sudo is set up in such a way as to > prevent x11 access from the program running under sudo. Or you can become root by using "sudo -s" which will also keep your $DISPLAY correct. Kevin From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Jun 18 11:47:16 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Thu Jun 18 11:47:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: trying to configure nvidia driver 180 In-Reply-To: <4A3A5D42.8070703@azza.com> References: <1245327356.20303.2.camel@jack-desktop> <4A3A5D42.8070703@azza.com> Message-ID: <1245347236.17487.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> will do. jack On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 09:29 -0600, Matthew Hatch wrote: > jack b. friend wrote: > > here is the result of trying to configure nvidia driver 180 which is > > installed but not seen by Ubuntu 9.04: > > > > jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-settings > > Rather than using sudo, try becoming root using 'su -' and then running > nvidia-settings. Often times, sudo is set up in such a way as to > prevent x11 access from the program running under sudo. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090618/59fbca14/attachment.htm From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Jun 18 12:45:37 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Thu Jun 18 12:45:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: trying to configure nvidia driver 180 In-Reply-To: <952fee5297dd16a6e7bfb07cc4186506@127.0.0.1> References: <200906181625.n5IGPjKZ028819@sllug.org> <952fee5297dd16a6e7bfb07cc4186506@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <1245350737.17487.28.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you all for your kind help. i have decided that the video card in the old machine, on which i have been practicing, will not support driver 180, thus it is not available no matter what i do. when i move to Ubuntu 9.04 or later on this machine i will most likely be able to configure driver 180. sincerely, jack On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 10:11 -0700, kevin@utahsysadmin.com wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:25:49 -0600, sllug-members-request@sllug.org wrote: > > Rather than using sudo, try becoming root using 'su -' and then running > > nvidia-settings. Often times, sudo is set up in such a way as to > > prevent x11 access from the program running under sudo. > > Or you can become root by using "sudo -s" which will also keep your > $DISPLAY correct. > > Kevin > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090618/b0e0c761/attachment.html From jshatch at azza.com Fri Jun 19 18:38:06 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Fri Jun 19 18:38:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Motherboard anyone? Message-ID: <4A3C2F6E.70702@azza.com> Hi all. I have a motherboard / cpu / memory set that I am not able to use and was wondering if anyone out there wanted it before I posted it on ebay for a buck... Specs are: Intel Server Board SE7501HG2 2x 32 bit Intel Xeon 2.4 GHz (I believe) 1 GB ECC RAM (2x 512MB sticks) It has an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 SCSI chipset. Last time I was able to power it on was over a year ago but it worked back then. The jumpers have been removed so likely documentation would be required to add them back. It requires a beefier power supply than I currently have to power it up, so I can't bench test it. Also, if you attempt to power it up with an inadequate power supply it will disable one of the CPUs and you'll need to re-enable it in the BIOS. I'd like to see $20 for the lot of it. Anyone? :) I also have an Adaptec 29160 card (PCI-64) that I'd like $5 for. Again I haven't tested it in a really long time. Please make all replies off list. Thanks Jarom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090619/2dea9c0e/signature.pgp From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 18:44:14 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Fri Jun 19 18:44:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Motherboard anyone? In-Reply-To: <4A3C2F6E.70702@azza.com> References: <4A3C2F6E.70702@azza.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906191744k62a11a3ne95ada4618193bbe@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, for sure. I'll take it off your hands! :D Thanks, Justin On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Jarom Hatch wrote: > Hi all. I have a motherboard / cpu / memory set that I am not able to > use and was wondering if anyone out there wanted it before I posted it > on ebay for a buck... > > Specs are: > > Intel Server Board SE7501HG2 > 2x 32 bit Intel Xeon 2.4 GHz (I believe) > 1 GB ECC RAM (2x 512MB sticks) > > It has an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 SCSI chipset. > > Last time I was able to power it on was over a year ago but it worked > back then. The jumpers have been removed so likely documentation would > be required to add them back. > > It requires a beefier power supply than I currently have to power it up, > so I can't bench test it. Also, if you attempt to power it up with an > inadequate power supply it will disable one of the CPUs and you'll need > to re-enable it in the BIOS. > > I'd like to see $20 for the lot of it. Anyone? :) > > I also have an Adaptec 29160 card (PCI-64) that I'd like $5 for. Again > I haven't tested it in a really long time. > > Please make all replies off list. > > Thanks > > Jarom > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090619/8b5a26c9/attachment.htm From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 18:46:38 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Fri Jun 19 18:46:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Motherboard anyone? In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906191744k62a11a3ne95ada4618193bbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3C2F6E.70702@azza.com> <2f932a4a0906191744k62a11a3ne95ada4618193bbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906191746g2a5de020y4ea883611f7c057a@mail.gmail.com> Wait, are we talking a tower server board, or a like a 1U/2U rack server board? On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff < justinbrinkerhoff@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, for sure. I'll take it off your hands! :D > > Thanks, > > Justin > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Jarom Hatch wrote: > >> Hi all. I have a motherboard / cpu / memory set that I am not able to >> use and was wondering if anyone out there wanted it before I posted it >> on ebay for a buck... >> >> Specs are: >> >> Intel Server Board SE7501HG2 >> 2x 32 bit Intel Xeon 2.4 GHz (I believe) >> 1 GB ECC RAM (2x 512MB sticks) >> >> It has an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 SCSI chipset. >> >> Last time I was able to power it on was over a year ago but it worked >> back then. The jumpers have been removed so likely documentation would >> be required to add them back. >> >> It requires a beefier power supply than I currently have to power it up, >> so I can't bench test it. Also, if you attempt to power it up with an >> inadequate power supply it will disable one of the CPUs and you'll need >> to re-enable it in the BIOS. >> >> I'd like to see $20 for the lot of it. Anyone? :) >> >> I also have an Adaptec 29160 card (PCI-64) that I'd like $5 for. Again >> I haven't tested it in a really long time. >> >> Please make all replies off list. >> >> Thanks >> >> Jarom >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a motherboard / cpu / memory set that I am not > able to > use and was wondering if anyone out there wanted it before I > posted it > on ebay for a buck... > > Specs are: > > Intel Server Board SE7501HG2 > 2x 32 bit Intel Xeon 2.4 GHz (I believe) > 1 GB ECC RAM (2x 512MB sticks) > > It has an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 SCSI chipset. > > Last time I was able to power it on was over a year ago but it > worked > back then. The jumpers have been removed so likely > documentation would > be required to add them back. > > It requires a beefier power supply than I currently have to > power it up, > so I can't bench test it. Also, if you attempt to power it up > with an > inadequate power supply it will disable one of the CPUs and > you'll need > to re-enable it in the BIOS. > > I'd like to see $20 for the lot of it. Anyone? :) > > I also have an Adaptec 29160 card (PCI-64) that I'd like $5 for. > Again > I haven't tested it in a really long time. > > Please make all replies off list. > > Thanks > > Jarom > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd do it myself except I don't think I have quite the experience to make it right. -- ????? Lucas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090619/465449d8/attachment.html From allen.schultz at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 19:44:29 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Fri Jun 19 19:44:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Motherboard anyone? In-Reply-To: <4A3C32C9.7090602@azza.com> References: <4A3C2F6E.70702@azza.com> <2f932a4a0906191744k62a11a3ne95ada4618193bbe@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0906191746g2a5de020y4ea883611f7c057a@mail.gmail.com> <4A3C32C9.7090602@azza.com> Message-ID: <3f34f8420906191844l5e34072p47074e917ce0c4be@mail.gmail.com> If no one else wants it, I'll take it. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jarom Hatch wrote: > It's a full tower board. > > Here's a picture that represents the layout: > > http://i21.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/32/93/7026_1.JPG > > Thanks > > Jarom > > Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> Wait, are we talking a tower server board, or a like a 1U/2U rack server >> board? >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff >> > wrote: >> >> ? ? Yeah, for sure. I'll take it off your hands! :D >> >> ? ? Thanks, >> >> ? ? Justin >> >> ? ? On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Jarom Hatch > ? ? > wrote: >> >> ? ? ? ? Hi all. ?I have a motherboard / cpu / memory set that I am not >> ? ? ? ? able to >> ? ? ? ? use and was wondering if anyone out there wanted it before I >> ? ? ? ? posted it >> ? ? ? ? on ebay for a buck... >> >> ? ? ? ? Specs are: >> >> ? ? ? ? Intel Server Board SE7501HG2 >> ? ? ? ? 2x 32 bit Intel Xeon 2.4 GHz (I believe) >> ? ? ? ? 1 GB ECC RAM (2x 512MB sticks) >> >> ? ? ? ? It has an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 SCSI chipset. >> >> ? ? ? ? Last time I was able to power it on was over a year ago but it >> ? ? ? ? worked >> ? ? ? ? back then. ?The jumpers have been removed so likely >> ? ? ? ? documentation would >> ? ? ? ? be required to add them back. >> >> ? ? ? ? It requires a beefier power supply than I currently have to >> ? ? ? ? power it up, >> ? ? ? ? so I can't bench test it. ?Also, if you attempt to power it up >> ? ? ? ? with an >> ? ? ? ? inadequate power supply it will disable one of the CPUs and >> ? ? ? ? you'll need >> ? ? ? ? to re-enable it in the BIOS. >> >> ? ? ? ? I'd like to see $20 for the lot of it. ?Anyone? :) >> >> ? ? ? ? I also have an Adaptec 29160 card (PCI-64) that I'd like $5 for. >> ? ? ? ? ?Again >> ? ? ? ? I haven't tested it in a really long time. >> >> ? ? ? ? Please make all replies off list. >> >> ? ? ? ? Thanks >> >> ? ? ? ? Jarom >> >> >> ? ? ? ? ______________________________________________________________________ >> ? ? ? ? See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> ? ? ? ? Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> ? ? ? ? channel #Utah >> ? ? ? ? sllug-members@sllug.org >> ? ? ? ? http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Allen Schultz pub 3072R/DAD4736B 2009-05-20 Key fingerprint = 16AD EFE1 D68F C8A8 B086 68CD 1A35 85C7 DAD4 736B uid Allen Schultz (aldaek) uid [jpeg image of size 6128] sub 2048R/F55651E0 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] sub 2048R/5687B83E 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 20:27:01 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Fri Jun 19 20:27:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Motherboard anyone? In-Reply-To: <4A3C32C9.7090602@azza.com> References: <4A3C2F6E.70702@azza.com> <2f932a4a0906191744k62a11a3ne95ada4618193bbe@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0906191746g2a5de020y4ea883611f7c057a@mail.gmail.com> <4A3C32C9.7090602@azza.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906191927n33487a10s2bee791041b28386@mail.gmail.com> Hmm... trying to avoid any more towers at home. :P Got a 32U rack I'm trying to fill... Have a 1U chassis, but no rackable motherboard (the irony I know ;) ). Thanks though. Sorry, forgot to initially clarify... :) It's all yours Allen. Thanks, Justin On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jarom Hatch wrote: > It's a full tower board. > > Here's a picture that represents the layout: > > http://i21.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/32/93/7026_1.JPG > > Thanks > > Jarom > > Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > Wait, are we talking a tower server board, or a like a 1U/2U rack server > > board? > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff > > > > wrote: > > > > Yeah, for sure. I'll take it off your hands! :D > > > > Thanks, > > > > Justin > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Jarom Hatch > > wrote: > > > > Hi all. I have a motherboard / cpu / memory set that I am not > > able to > > use and was wondering if anyone out there wanted it before I > > posted it > > on ebay for a buck... > > > > Specs are: > > > > Intel Server Board SE7501HG2 > > 2x 32 bit Intel Xeon 2.4 GHz (I believe) > > 1 GB ECC RAM (2x 512MB sticks) > > > > It has an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 SCSI chipset. > > > > Last time I was able to power it on was over a year ago but it > > worked > > back then. The jumpers have been removed so likely > > documentation would > > be required to add them back. > > > > It requires a beefier power supply than I currently have to > > power it up, > > so I can't bench test it. Also, if you attempt to power it up > > with an > > inadequate power supply it will disable one of the CPUs and > > you'll need > > to re-enable it in the BIOS. > > > > I'd like to see $20 for the lot of it. Anyone? :) > > > > I also have an Adaptec 29160 card (PCI-64) that I'd like $5 for. > > Again > > I haven't tested it in a really long time. > > > > Please make all replies off list. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jarom > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090619/8cae43bb/attachment.htm From beebe at math.utah.edu Mon Jun 22 14:42:37 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Mon Jun 22 14:43:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] paper, slides, and movie of Unix version 1 reconstruction Message-ID: Those of you interested in the history of computers, and Unix, may find interesting these new Web resources about the reconstruction of a working version of Unix version 1 (1969--1973): http://minnie.tuhs.org/Z/toomey.mov http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/full_papers/toomey/toomey.pdf http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/slides/toomey.pdf Note the duplicate filenames of the last two URLs. This effort is significant, because it was believed until recently that the early versions of Unix had been lost. I have Unix versions 5, 6, and 7 running on the SIMH PDP-11 virtual machine, and Unix version 7 on the SIMH Interdata virtual machine. The Unix version 6 kernel is well-documented in a book, with complete source code listings: @Book{Lions:1996:LCU, author = "John Lions", title = "{Lions'} Commentary on {UNIX 6th Edition}, with Source Code", publisher = "Peer-to-Peer Communications", address = "San Jose, CA 95164-0218, USA", pages = "254", year = "1996", ISBN = "1-57398-013-7", ISBN-13 = "978-1-57398-013-5", LCCN = "????", bibdate = "Fri Jun 26 10:43:09 1998", note = "With forewords by Dennis M. Ritchie and Ken Thompson. Prefatory notes by Peter H. Salus and Michael Tilson; a Historical Note by Peter H. Salus; and Appreciations by Greg Rose, Mike O'Dell, Berny Goodheart, Peter Collinson, and Peter Reintjes. Originally circulated as two restricted-release volumes: ``UNIX Operating System Source Code Level Six'', and ``A Commentary on the UNIX Operating System''.", price = "US\$29.96; CAN\$41.95", series = "Computer classics revisited", URL = "http://www.peer-to-peer.com/catalog/opsrc/lions.html", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 13:29:00 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jun 23 13:29:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Motherboard anyone? In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0906191927n33487a10s2bee791041b28386@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3C2F6E.70702@azza.com> <2f932a4a0906191744k62a11a3ne95ada4618193bbe@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0906191746g2a5de020y4ea883611f7c057a@mail.gmail.com> <4A3C32C9.7090602@azza.com> <2f932a4a0906191927n33487a10s2bee791041b28386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: i want it, you already said yes allen but you said "if no one else wants it", do you want it? On 6/20/09, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Hmm... trying to avoid any more towers at home. :P Got a 32U rack I'm trying > to fill... Have a 1U chassis, but no rackable motherboard (the irony I know > ;) ). > > Thanks though. Sorry, forgot to initially clarify... :) It's all yours > Allen. > > Thanks, > > Justin > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jarom Hatch wrote: > >> It's a full tower board. >> >> Here's a picture that represents the layout: >> >> http://i21.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/32/93/7026_1.JPG >> >> Thanks >> >> Jarom >> >> Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> > Wait, are we talking a tower server board, or a like a 1U/2U rack server >> > board? >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff >> > > >> wrote: >> > >> > Yeah, for sure. I'll take it off your hands! :D >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Justin >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Jarom Hatch > > > wrote: >> > >> > Hi all. I have a motherboard / cpu / memory set that I am not >> > able to >> > use and was wondering if anyone out there wanted it before I >> > posted it >> > on ebay for a buck... >> > >> > Specs are: >> > >> > Intel Server Board SE7501HG2 >> > 2x 32 bit Intel Xeon 2.4 GHz (I believe) >> > 1 GB ECC RAM (2x 512MB sticks) >> > >> > It has an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 SCSI chipset. >> > >> > Last time I was able to power it on was over a year ago but it >> > worked >> > back then. The jumpers have been removed so likely >> > documentation would >> > be required to add them back. >> > >> > It requires a beefier power supply than I currently have to >> > power it up, >> > so I can't bench test it. Also, if you attempt to power it up >> > with an >> > inadequate power supply it will disable one of the CPUs and >> > you'll need >> > to re-enable it in the BIOS. >> > >> > I'd like to see $20 for the lot of it. Anyone? :) >> > >> > I also have an Adaptec 29160 card (PCI-64) that I'd like $5 for. >> > Again >> > I haven't tested it in a really long time. >> > >> > Please make all replies off list. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Jarom >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, >> links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> > channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 13:31:33 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jun 23 13:31:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Personal Tech Surplus Sale 2009 In-Reply-To: <249fe29d0906162153m74b99ef5tf588d89641375ffa@mail.gmail.com> References: <249fe29d0906162153m74b99ef5tf588d89641375ffa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: interesting.... how long can you hold on to the laptops for? i will have 100$ in about 6-7 weeks. On 6/17/09, Donald Livingston wrote: > Hello, everyone! Once again I've decided to unburden myself of some my > personal tech surplus, and I decided to list it here before posting on > craigslist or eBay. Some of this stuff is kinda old as far as technology > goes, but it is all functional and in decent shape. If any of the items > below interest you, please contact me off list. > > *2 Home-Built Systems* > 350 Mhz Pentium II, 160 MB Ram, 8 GB HD - $35 obo- and/or - > 650MHz AMD Athlon, 512 MB Ram, 10GB HD - $50 obo > (Pick up both for $75) > Both of the above systems have seen a lot of use, but are still functional > and can be put to good use with the right setup. > > *2 Gateway 400VTX Laptops > *2 GHz Intel Celeron, 512MB Ram, 30GB HD, 1024x768 display - $100 obo > > 2.2 GHz Intel Celeron, 512MB Ram, 40GB HD, 1024x768 display - $100 obo > > In the interest of full disclosure, the DVD/Optical drives on the both of > above laptops can be charitably described as "dodgey", the batteries can't > hold a charge anymore, and the power buttons sometimes require repeated > mashing before they will turn on. Those troubles aside, they both run like > champs, and come with the OEM version of WinXP Home Edition. (Pick up both > for $175) > > > And finally, > *The Tech Surplus Grab-box of Fun! - *$45 obo > (the Grab-box has some pretty good stuff in it, but selling it all piecemeal > will be an enormous PITA, so I'm selling it all as one item) > Logitech cordless Keyboard (ergonomic/curved) and Optical mouse w/ receiver > 1 D-Link Ethernet Broadband 4-port router > 1 Netgear 5-port Ethernet Switch > 2 low capacity Hard drives (4GB Samsung & 10GB Seagate, Both in good > condition) > USB 1.1 4-port hub > Asus Motherboard with 450MHz AMD processor and 256MB Ram > Misc Ethernet and Power Cables > > While I will vouch that all above items are in decent condition and > functional, please be aware all sales are final. No warranties, either > express or implied, are hereby given. All equipment is supplied as is, > without guarantee. The user assumes all responsibility for damages resulting > from the use of this equipment, including, but not limited to: frustration, > disgust, headaches, nausea, indigestion, dry heaving, premature male-pattern > baldness, system abends, disk head-crashes, general malfeasance, floods, > fires, shark attack, nerve gas, locust infestation, frogs falling from the > sky, cyclones, hurricanes, tsunamis, local electromagnetic disruptions, > hydraulic brake system failure, invasion, low sperm count, hashing > collisions, abnormal wear and tear of friction surfaces, cosmic radiation, > inadvertent destruction of sensitive electronic components, amoebic > dysentery, windstorms, the Riders of Nazgul, decreased resale value on your > home, infuriated chickens, malfunctioning mechanical or electrical devices, > peasant uprisings, halitosis, artillery bombardment, explosions, cave-ins, > and/or erectile disfunction. > > (BTW cash only please) > > -- > Don Livingston > www.donaldlivingston.com > "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?" > -- the blendmaster From remo at italy1.com Tue Jun 23 13:47:28 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Tue Jun 23 13:47:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Personal Tech Surplus Sale 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would love to take on of those laptop for my daughter Let me know Remo On 6/23/09 1:31 PM, "Christian Horne" wrote: > interesting.... > > how long can you hold on to the laptops for? i will have 100$ in about > 6-7 weeks. > > On 6/17/09, Donald Livingston wrote: >> Hello, everyone! Once again I've decided to unburden myself of some my >> personal tech surplus, and I decided to list it here before posting on >> craigslist or eBay. Some of this stuff is kinda old as far as technology >> goes, but it is all functional and in decent shape. If any of the items >> below interest you, please contact me off list. >> >> *2 Home-Built Systems* >> 350 Mhz Pentium II, 160 MB Ram, 8 GB HD - $35 obo- and/or - >> 650MHz AMD Athlon, 512 MB Ram, 10GB HD - $50 obo >> (Pick up both for $75) >> Both of the above systems have seen a lot of use, but are still functional >> and can be put to good use with the right setup. >> >> *2 Gateway 400VTX Laptops >> *2 GHz Intel Celeron, 512MB Ram, 30GB HD, 1024x768 display - $100 obo >> >> 2.2 GHz Intel Celeron, 512MB Ram, 40GB HD, 1024x768 display - $100 obo >> >> In the interest of full disclosure, the DVD/Optical drives on the both of >> above laptops can be charitably described as "dodgey", the batteries can't >> hold a charge anymore, and the power buttons sometimes require repeated >> mashing before they will turn on. Those troubles aside, they both run like >> champs, and come with the OEM version of WinXP Home Edition. (Pick up both >> for $175) >> >> >> And finally, >> *The Tech Surplus Grab-box of Fun! - *$45 obo >> (the Grab-box has some pretty good stuff in it, but selling it all piecemeal >> will be an enormous PITA, so I'm selling it all as one item) >> Logitech cordless Keyboard (ergonomic/curved) and Optical mouse w/ receiver >> 1 D-Link Ethernet Broadband 4-port router >> 1 Netgear 5-port Ethernet Switch >> 2 low capacity Hard drives (4GB Samsung & 10GB Seagate, Both in good >> condition) >> USB 1.1 4-port hub >> Asus Motherboard with 450MHz AMD processor and 256MB Ram >> Misc Ethernet and Power Cables >> >> While I will vouch that all above items are in decent condition and >> functional, please be aware all sales are final. No warranties, either >> express or implied, are hereby given. All equipment is supplied as is, >> without guarantee. The user assumes all responsibility for damages resulting >> from the use of this equipment, including, but not limited to: frustration, >> disgust, headaches, nausea, indigestion, dry heaving, premature male-pattern >> baldness, system abends, disk head-crashes, general malfeasance, floods, >> fires, shark attack, nerve gas, locust infestation, frogs falling from the >> sky, cyclones, hurricanes, tsunamis, local electromagnetic disruptions, >> hydraulic brake system failure, invasion, low sperm count, hashing >> collisions, abnormal wear and tear of friction surfaces, cosmic radiation, >> inadvertent destruction of sensitive electronic components, amoebic >> dysentery, windstorms, the Riders of Nazgul, decreased resale value on your >> home, infuriated chickens, malfunctioning mechanical or electrical devices, >> peasant uprisings, halitosis, artillery bombardment, explosions, cave-ins, >> and/or erectile disfunction. >> >> (BTW cash only please) >> >> -- >> Don Livingston >> www.donaldlivingston.com >> "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?" >> > From matthew at azza.com Tue Jun 23 13:55:11 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Tue Jun 23 13:55:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Requests for off-list contact Message-ID: <4A41331F.2070803@azza.com> Not to be a gripe or anything, but I have seen two or three threads lately where people have requested to be contacted off-list for stuff they're selling, and then there are a good many replies on-list immediately after. I don't mind the initial e-mail being sent out about items for sale, but can we respect the wishes of the poster and actually reply off-list for these things? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 257 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090623/b60ae775/signature.pgp From rod at xmission.com Tue Jun 23 14:11:25 2009 From: rod at xmission.com (Captain Curmudgeon) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:09:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Requests for off-list contact In-Reply-To: <4A41331F.2070803@azza.com> References: <4A41331F.2070803@azza.com> Message-ID: <200906232009.n5NK9pCH029611@sllug.org> >but >can we respect the wishes of the poster and actually reply off-list for >these things? Maybe you're assuming more technical competence in group members than actually exists. Maybe they DON'T KNOW HOW to do an off-list reply. That or they think the small amount of extra work is beneath them, they being the very important people that they are and therefore entitled to inconvenience the rest of us if it saves them 10 seconds of labor. Naturally, R.O. PS Old saying: "Be slow to impute malice to things that can be explained by incompetence." From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 14:22:29 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:22:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Requests for off-list contact In-Reply-To: <200906232009.n5NK9pCH029611@sllug.org> References: <4A41331F.2070803@azza.com> <200906232009.n5NK9pCH029611@sllug.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Captain Curmudgeon wrote: > >> but >> can we respect the wishes of the poster and actually reply off-list for >> these things? > > Maybe you're assuming more technical competence in group members than > actually exists. ?Maybe they DON'T KNOW HOW to do an off-list reply. > > That or they think the small amount of extra work is beneath them, they > being the very important people that they are and therefore entitled to > inconvenience the rest of us if it saves them 10 seconds of labor. > > Naturally, > R.O. > Funny thing, if we didn't munge replies to go back to the list, default would be off-list, but then someone would complain that they have to clic 'reply-to-all'. Oh well.... Clint From matthew at azza.com Tue Jun 23 14:28:00 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:28:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Requests for off-list contact In-Reply-To: <200906232009.n5NK9pCH029611@sllug.org> References: <4A41331F.2070803@azza.com> <200906232009.n5NK9pCH029611@sllug.org> Message-ID: <4A413AD0.50704@azza.com> Captain Curmudgeon wrote: > Maybe you're assuming more technical competence in group members than > actually exists. Maybe they DON'T KNOW HOW to do an off-list reply. > > That or they think the small amount of extra work is beneath them, they > being the very important people that they are and therefore entitled to > inconvenience the rest of us if it saves them 10 seconds of labor. > > Naturally, > R.O. > > PS Old saying: "Be slow to impute malice to things that can be explained > by incompetence." I can't tell if you're being serious, sarcastic, or are purposefully trying to troll this into a flame war... I'm not trying to make accusations, impute malice, or "come down" on anyone. I'm merely suggesting that when people request replies to be off-list that we actually reply off-list. Incompetence is curable if that is truly the reason (as you would suggest). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090623/836ad44e/attachment-0001.pgp From rod at xmission.com Tue Jun 23 14:56:18 2009 From: rod at xmission.com (Captain Curmudgeon) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:54:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Requests for off-list contact In-Reply-To: <4A413AD0.50704@azza.com> References: <4A41331F.2070803@azza.com> <200906232009.n5NK9pCH029611@sllug.org> <4A413AD0.50704@azza.com> Message-ID: <200906232054.n5NKsbFu030192@sllug.org> >I can't tell if you're being serious, sarcastic, or are purposefully >trying to troll this into a flame war... I'm trying to be serious. I certainly don't want a flame war. The last one was bad enough. So bad that I'm not even going to mention the topic. >Incompetence is curable if >that is truly the reason (as you would suggest). One hopes. I'm probably exaggerating the sense of entitlement that those who do not reply off-line feel, but I have trouble seeing causes other than those two. This will be my last post on this subject. It's probably gone far enough. I hope those who don't know how to reply off-line will learn. Naturally, R.O. From kwalker at kobran.org Tue Jun 23 16:12:04 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Tue Jun 23 16:13:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: M$ Breifcase done better in linux? In-Reply-To: <1245334934.5020.129.camel@matt4> References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A39ABD3.70807@xmission.com> <1245294237.1461.15.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1245334934.5020.129.camel@matt4> Message-ID: <1245795124.3455.106.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 08:22 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: [SNIP] Matt, Unfortunately I don't know of a software that does quite what you're looking for. I have used Unison and rsync with great success, but only for entire directories, not individual files that must exist in one of the two locations. I'm not even sure if a distributed filesystem would cover what you need. If you do find something, I'd be interested in hearing about it. > Because my carefully constructed bookmark files keep getting trashed > when I change machines/browsers/whatever, I have taken to manually > building an HTML file I keep on the desktop that points to files and > URLs I use often, and I thought maybe I could build a recent/current > project documents list the same way, with a text file to track current > files (that I want to sync with the repository). I could build that > list with a find command, then sync each file. But that won't catch > renames, except by deleting the old and creating the new (inefficient, > but might work), and files that are deleted on the laptop are ambiguous > in their treatment-- the intention could be just to delete the laptop > copy (purge the cache, so to speak) or to delete on the repository (e.g. > a file that is a duplicate or a draft no longer needed. For bookmarks, there are quite a few Firefox extensions for syncing bookmarks. I used to use one called "Bookmarks Sync and Sort" but that one has not been updated for Firefox 3 and appears to be abandoned. Currently I use a software called Xmarks. It allows me to sync passwords (encrypted file only I have the password to) and bookmarks (big JSON file). I wish I could sync parts of my bookmarks, but to my knowledge, that requires creating an account on their server, which I am disinclined to do, as I have my own secure WebDAV server that works extremely well. It syncs periodically when network is available and my bookmarks are there when I need them. For source code, I do use a distributed VCS which maintains my own repository on the local machine and syncs changes from there to a remote server when network availability permits. I've even used this with some binary files, such as Office-type documents of about 100-500KB. > Any suggestions are welcome. I have two suggestions. Either: Break the task down in to content-specific jobs and find ways to handle each specific type (as I have done above), Or: Reorganize the repository so it's easier to use something like Unison to keep your local and remote copies up to date. What I have done in other situations is use hard links to keep multiple "copies" of files in different locations, one of which was basically a dumpster for ease-of-copying to a limited-capacity device (mp3 player, USB flash drive, etc). -KW From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Jun 23 16:40:29 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Jun 23 16:40:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: M$ Breifcase done better in linux? In-Reply-To: <1245795124.3455.106.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> References: <1245271667.30604.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A395B60.2040904@xmission.com> <1245281864.626.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A39ABD3.70807@xmission.com> <1245294237.1461.15.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1245334934.5020.129.camel@matt4> <1245795124.3455.106.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Message-ID: <1245796829.4585.12.camel@matt4> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 22:12 +0000, Knight Walker wrote: > Reorganize the repository so it's easier to use something like Unison to > keep your local and remote copies up to date. What I have done in other > situations is use hard links to keep multiple "copies" of files in > different locations, one of which was basically a dumpster for > ease-of-copying to a limited-capacity device (mp3 player, USB flash > drive, etc). Many thanks for this brilliant suggestion. I usually avoid hard links because they are so non-portable and seem difficult to backup appropriately, etc, but this does seems like the perfect application of them-- no data duplication, and solves the sparse-tree problem with great elegance. Because I rarely if ever use hard links, this did not even occur to me. That's why I love this OS. So many ways to skin the cat, and always someone with a better idea. Thanks again. From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 20:46:54 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jun 23 20:47:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: what is a good ttf font editor for linux? Message-ID: hey all, just wondering if anyone knows of a good font editor for linux? i want to be able to convert some bitmap-offset fonts to TTFs. even if it can't read bitmaps, i could still use something that can convert a file listing like this: " a.svg b.svg c.svg d.svg e.svg f.svg ... (.svg ).svg _.svg +.svg " into a single TTF. even if this is not automated, as in i would have to open them one by one, this would be great! btw, i tried the program "fontforge" from the ubuntu repos, and it segfaulted on start. :( -- the blendmaster From mac at macnewbold.com Tue Jun 23 20:58:46 2009 From: mac at macnewbold.com (Mac Newbold) Date: Tue Jun 23 20:58:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: what is a good ttf font editor for linux? Message-ID: <20090623205822.D3976@mana.codegreene.com> Today at 8:46pm, Christian Horne said: > hey all, just wondering if anyone knows of a good font editor for linux? ... > btw, i tried the program "fontforge" from the ubuntu repos, and it > segfaulted on start. :( I would try it from somewhere other than the ubuntu repos then. We've had great luck with it, for almost exactly what you're trying to do. We had images for each glyph and were able to assemble them into a font that way, which worked pretty slick for us. In almost any program, I think you'll need to open them one by one, but there are some ways to make it go a little quicker. Part of it has to do with aligning the baseline and dealing with ascenders, descenders, kerning, letting, and what have you, if I remember right. Mac -- Mac Newbold Code Greene, LLC CTO/Chief Technical Officer 44 Exchange Place Office: 801-582-0148 Salt Lake City, UT 84111 Cell: 801-694-6334 www.codegreene.com From allen.schultz at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 21:31:35 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Tue Jun 23 21:31:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Motherboard anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <4A3C2F6E.70702@azza.com> <2f932a4a0906191744k62a11a3ne95ada4618193bbe@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0906191746g2a5de020y4ea883611f7c057a@mail.gmail.com> <4A3C32C9.7090602@azza.com> <2f932a4a0906191927n33487a10s2bee791041b28386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f34f8420906232031p7e0a7e7dob45f3494d6e0f75f@mail.gmail.com> I really want the SCSI card personally, but I'll take both. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > i want it, you already said yes allen but you said "if no one else > wants it", do you want it? > > On 6/20/09, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> Hmm... trying to avoid any more towers at home. :P Got a 32U rack I'm trying >> to fill... Have a 1U chassis, but no rackable motherboard (the irony I know >> ;) ). >> >> Thanks though. Sorry, forgot to initially clarify... :) It's all yours >> Allen. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Justin >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jarom Hatch wrote: >> >>> It's a full tower board. >>> >>> Here's a picture that represents the layout: >>> >>> http://i21.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/32/93/7026_1.JPG >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jarom >>> >>> Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >>> > Wait, are we talking a tower server board, or a like a 1U/2U rack server >>> > board? >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff >>> > > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ? ? Yeah, for sure. I'll take it off your hands! :D >>> > >>> > ? ? Thanks, >>> > >>> > ? ? Justin >>> > >>> > ? ? On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Jarom Hatch >> > ? ? > wrote: >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? Hi all. ?I have a motherboard / cpu / memory set that I am not >>> > ? ? ? ? able to >>> > ? ? ? ? use and was wondering if anyone out there wanted it before I >>> > ? ? ? ? posted it >>> > ? ? ? ? on ebay for a buck... >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? Specs are: >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? Intel Server Board SE7501HG2 >>> > ? ? ? ? 2x 32 bit Intel Xeon 2.4 GHz (I believe) >>> > ? ? ? ? 1 GB ECC RAM (2x 512MB sticks) >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? It has an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 SCSI chipset. >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? Last time I was able to power it on was over a year ago but it >>> > ? ? ? ? worked >>> > ? ? ? ? back then. ?The jumpers have been removed so likely >>> > ? ? ? ? documentation would >>> > ? ? ? ? be required to add them back. >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? It requires a beefier power supply than I currently have to >>> > ? ? ? ? power it up, >>> > ? ? ? ? so I can't bench test it. ?Also, if you attempt to power it up >>> > ? ? ? ? with an >>> > ? ? ? ? inadequate power supply it will disable one of the CPUs and >>> > ? ? ? ? you'll need >>> > ? ? ? ? to re-enable it in the BIOS. >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? I'd like to see $20 for the lot of it. ?Anyone? :) >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? I also have an Adaptec 29160 card (PCI-64) that I'd like $5 for. >>> > ? ? ? ? ?Again >>> > ? ? ? ? I haven't tested it in a really long time. >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? Please make all replies off list. >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? Thanks >>> > >>> > ? ? ? ? Jarom >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> > ? ? ? ? See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, >>> links. >>> > ? ? ? ? Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >>> > ? ? ? ? channel #Utah >>> > ? ? ? ? sllug-members@sllug.org >>> > ? ? ? ? http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________________________________ >>> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> > sllug-members@sllug.org >>> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Allen Schultz pub 3072R/DAD4736B 2009-05-20 Key fingerprint = 16AD EFE1 D68F C8A8 B086 68CD 1A35 85C7 DAD4 736B uid Allen Schultz (aldaek) uid [jpeg image of size 6128] sub 2048R/F55651E0 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] sub 2048R/5687B83E 2009-05-20 [expires: 2010-05-20] From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 00:06:47 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Jun 24 00:06:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Fwd: UTOSC 2009 Call for Papers is NOW OPEN! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Utah Open Source Conference 2009 is just around the corner, October 8-10, 2009 is not too far away!! ?It?s time to submit your presentations. UTOSC 2008 received over 90 submissions, and we ended up with over 50 presentations. ?The odds are good that if your presentation is a good open source topic, it will get selected. This year, we?ve enabled a few new features to conman, our paper submission system. ?First off, everyone can see all of the abstracts which have been submitted, which includes a new RSS Feed for watching new submissions. ?Also, about 1 month before selections are made (about 2 months before UTOSC 2009), we?ll open voting to any registered attendees, speakers, volunteers, etc. ?We?re excited to enable these new features and will be working hard to make more improvements to the system. ?We want to send a shout out to our programmers for their hard work on our system this year. If you?ve got something to share, something to tell, something to introduce or something to show, please take the time and submit a presentation to the Utah Open Source Conference 2009. ?We?d love to see your presentation!! Some people are natural public speakers and presenters while others are reluctant to imagine themselves in front of a group of people at a conference. ?Nobody should feel unqualified or inexperienced to present. We want presenters who can share information at all levels. -- And now, some tough questions -- What should I talk about? You should talk about Open Source software, philosophy, technology, etc. The theme for this year?s conference centers around ?Ability? so your topic can be targeted at beginners, experts, or someone in between. It may help to see what topics were presented last year. Go to for information about 2008?s conference sessions. This year, several sessions will be targeted at beginning or ?newbie? users including those who are family members of an Open Source geek. Basic sessions around Linux, The GIMP, or WordPress are good examples of these types of sessions. We have really expanded our categories offerings this year and you can select multiple audiences as well. ?If there is a category you do not see listed, please let us know by emailing our program coordinator, Clint Savage at . What does a response to a call for papers look like? You should come up with a brief outline, or abstract, of your presentation and who would be interested. You should also provide some information about you, your experience with open source software and the specific aspects you?re proposing to speak about. Here?s an example of an abstract: Title: Open source home security This presentation will outline how I have used a Linux server, IP cameras, and open source software, to provide around-the-clock video and image surveilance of my home which is archived for later viewing and is available for viewing via the Web when I?m not at home. The presentation will describe how to set up a system similar to mine and what alternatives are available for software and hardware in the system. What?s in it for me? There are lots of perks reserved for people chosen to present at the Utah Open Source Conference! Resum? material Having presented on a topic at a conference is a great thing to add to your resum? and could make the difference the next time you apply for a job. Free admission If you?re chosen as a speaker, we?ll let you ? and your family ? into the conference for FREE! A picture and a paragraph Speakers are asked to submit a digital photo and a paragraph of biographical information which will be seen by those viewing the UTOSC website and those reading the conference program. Warm fuzzies Being involved in the Utah Open Source Conference is a great experience. Just ask anyone who was involved in UTOSC 2007 or UTOSC 2008. What?s that URL again? Go to and get yourself an account. Then you can submit as many presentation ideas as you wish!! From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 20:30:58 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sun Jun 28 20:31:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? Message-ID: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> I suspect the on board nic is a little buggy. Every now and then I'm noticing latency which I can't explain. So I"m looking at gig cards for linux. One that keeps coming up is the e1000 by Intel. Anyone have any issues with it or can recommend another card they like for Linux? Thanks! From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 20:45:06 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Sun Jun 28 20:45:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? In-Reply-To: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> References: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A482AB2.9070703@gmail.com> u235sentinel wrote: > I suspect the on board nic is a little buggy. Every now and then I'm > noticing latency which I can't explain. So I"m looking at gig cards > for linux. One that keeps coming up is the e1000 by Intel. Anyone > have any issues with it or can recommend another card they like for > Linux? I've used a couple of systems with the e1000 and had it work well for me. However, I've really only used it on desktop systems where latency and performance were not a requirement, and thus have never closely monitored its performance. -- Michael Heath From sllug at vpxp.com Sun Jun 28 23:36:17 2009 From: sllug at vpxp.com (Chris Brown) Date: Sun Jun 28 23:36:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? In-Reply-To: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> References: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4852D1.5030006@vpxp.com> IMHO, the Intel PRO/1000 series is the only choice for GigE on Linux (or anything else for that matter). Chris On 6/28/2009 8:30 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > I suspect the on board nic is a little buggy. Every now and then I'm > noticing latency which I can't explain. So I"m looking at gig cards > for linux. One that keeps coming up is the e1000 by Intel. Anyone > have any issues with it or can recommend another card they like for > Linux? > > Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 00:01:25 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Jun 29 00:01:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? In-Reply-To: <4A4852D1.5030006@vpxp.com> References: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> <4A4852D1.5030006@vpxp.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906282301u1981483cv1219852495acc76e@mail.gmail.com> LOL Intel is definitely the gold standard it seems to GbE NIC's, but I can say from my own experience Marvell and Realtek GbE NIC's have worked great for me on Linux (Ubuntu/Debian, RHEL Desktop 5, and Slackware 10 & 11). So you definitely can't go wrong with the Intel e1000, but likewise if you want to save a little money, you may want to expand your horizons a bit. Justin On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Chris Brown wrote: > IMHO, the Intel PRO/1000 series is the only choice for GigE on Linux (or > anything else for that matter). > > Chris > > On 6/28/2009 8:30 PM, u235sentinel wrote: >> >> I suspect the on board nic is a little buggy. ?Every now and then I'm >> noticing latency which I can't explain. ?So I"m looking at gig cards for >> linux. ?One that keeps coming up is the e1000 by Intel. ?Anyone have any >> issues with it or can recommend another card they like for Linux? >> >> Thanks! >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From gthornock at yahoo.com Mon Jun 29 07:37:00 2009 From: gthornock at yahoo.com (Gary Thornock) Date: Mon Jun 29 07:37:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? Message-ID: <169783.26835.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Chris Brown wrote: > IMHO, the Intel PRO/1000 series is the only choice for GigE on > Linux (or anything else for that matter). The Intel cards are usually very good. For desktop use, you can also get good results from Realtek or Marvell chipsets. The NVidia chipset tends to be good too, but I don't think I've seen that in an add-on card, just on the motherboard. For servers I'd stick to Intel unless your server vendor includes Broadcom chips on-board -- those work very well too. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Jun 29 08:06:21 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Mon Jun 29 08:06:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: top Message-ID: <1246284381.16801.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> when i run simple backup it gives me a number--running in the background. in terminal i am watching "top" and see nothing resembling that PID number. does top not monitor every process running? jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090629/50c05584/attachment.htm From remo at italy1.com Mon Jun 29 08:17:22 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Mon Jun 29 08:17:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: top In-Reply-To: <1246284381.16801.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: Yes but you need to sort it out it may not fit on your screen. Check out htop Ciao, Remo On 6/29/09 8:06 AM, "jack User" wrote: > when i run simple backup it gives me a number--running in the background. in > terminal i am watching "top" and see nothing resembling that PID number. does > top not monitor every process running? > jack !DSPAM:4a48cb3a27137536620988! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:4a48cb3a27137536620988! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check > out htop > > Ciao, > Remo > > > On 6/29/09 8:06 AM, "jack User" wrote: > > > when i run simple backup it gives me a number--running in the > background. in terminal i am watching "top" and see nothing > resembling that PID number. does top not monitor every process > running? > jack !DSPAM:4a48cb3a27137536620988! > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:4a48cb3a27137536620988! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Apparently reliable (more so than the onboard chips I usually seem to get, I may have seen some similar issues with onboard gigabit, especially RTL chips) but have never monitored performance in a must-have environment. -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 12:06:16 2009 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Mon Jun 29 12:11:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? In-Reply-To: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> References: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:30 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > I suspect the on board nic is a little buggy. Every now and then I'm > noticing latency which I can't explain. So I"m looking at gig cards for > linux. One that keeps coming up is the e1000 by Intel. Anyone have any > issues with it or can recommend another card they like for Linux? > I like the e1000. I've worked with sun servers that have broadcom and nvidia nics. Any time the on board nics gave me any trouble I went straight to an Intel nic to solve all of my problems. I also try to spec boards that already have intel network interfaces on them. I've enjoyed that good of reliability with them. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090629/77760d5b/attachment.html From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 12:16:52 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Jun 29 12:16:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? In-Reply-To: References: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906291116t4e25d053y194319fc38b4eb71@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I lucked out on this Dell Poweredge 750 I bought off someone a couple years ago I have running as a Ubuntu Server Hardy based web server to run all my Ruby on Rails sites on, and it has 2 Intel GbE NICs onboard. It was a pretty sweet deal. If you can find them without too much of a price difference, go for it. :) On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Shaun Kruger wrote: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:30 PM, u235sentinel > wrote: >> >> I suspect the on board nic is a little buggy. ?Every now and then I'm >> noticing latency which I can't explain. ?So I"m looking at gig cards for >> linux. ?One that keeps coming up is the e1000 by Intel. ?Anyone have any >> issues with it or can recommend another card they like for Linux? > > I like the e1000.? I've worked with sun servers that have broadcom and > nvidia nics.? Any time the on board nics gave me any trouble I went straight > to an Intel nic to solve all of my problems.? I also try to spec boards that > already have intel network interfaces on them.? I've enjoyed that good of > reliability with them. > > Shaun > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From u235sentinel at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 18:57:17 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Jun 29 18:57:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? In-Reply-To: <4A482AB2.9070703@gmail.com> References: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> <4A482AB2.9070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4962ED.1080305@gmail.com> I appreciate everyone's comments. I'll check out and see which one I like. I've purchased e1000's but never for linux. Heard they were pretty good though. My current card is an onboard Attansic Technology Corp. on my Asus MB. It's lousy at best. I've been testing for some time and noticed it has a tendency to seize up and when I"m playing Counterstrike source, it's VERY frustrating to have a noob take me out when I should have pwned him :-) Yeah, Really important stuff you know ;-) Thanks! From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 19:17:59 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Jun 29 19:18:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Gig network cards? In-Reply-To: <4A4962ED.1080305@gmail.com> References: <4A482762.20703@gmail.com> <4A482AB2.9070703@gmail.com> <4A4962ED.1080305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906291817w380efe83x7a5ea345d46d669b@mail.gmail.com> You'd probably slaughter me then! I bought the game on Steam, and only played it a couple times. I just hate on playing on some servers because I get my ass kicked everytime! :P I guess I'll just have to play you when you have some lag! LOL On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:57 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > I appreciate everyone's comments. ?I'll check out and see which one I like. > ?I've purchased e1000's but never for linux. ?Heard they were pretty good > though. > > My current card is an onboard Attansic Technology Corp. on my Asus MB. ?It's > lousy at best. ?I've been testing for some time and noticed it has a > tendency to seize up and when I"m playing Counterstrike source, it's VERY > frustrating to have a noob take me out when I should have pwned him :-) > > Yeah, ?Really important stuff you know ;-) > > Thanks! > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Jun 30 11:43:19 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Tue Jun 30 11:43:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar Message-ID: <1246383799.8210.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> would someone please tell me what is wrong with this: tar -xfv xlog-2.0.2.tar to unzip this file? tried tar -xf xlog-2.0.2.tar also and got: Error is not recoverable: exiting now thank you jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The 'f' denotes you're providing a filename for tar to read from as opposed to stdin. -- Louis Zirkel / lzirkel@cendev.com Systems Engineer From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:55:20 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Jun 30 11:55:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar In-Reply-To: <4A4A5049.609@cendev.com> References: <1246383799.8210.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A4A5049.609@cendev.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0906301055k31cbd974u1e0739225721624@mail.gmail.com> You can also set the file permissions accordingly to make sure the file isn't restricted for some odd reason. Just "chmod +rw". Justin On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Louis Zirkel wrote: > jack User wrote: >> >> would someone please tell me what is wrong with this: >> >> tar -xfv xlog-2.0.2.tar >> >> to unzip this file? >> >> tried tar -xf xlog-2.0.2.tar also and got: >> >> Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > Try it without the - before the xfv or reorder the options to xvf so the 'f' > is last. ?The 'f' denotes you're providing a filename for tar to read from > as opposed to stdin. > > -- > Louis Zirkel / lzirkel@cendev.com > Systems Engineer > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Jun 30 12:05:13 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Jun 30 12:05:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar In-Reply-To: <1246383799.8210.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1246383799.8210.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1246385113.3631.55.camel@matt4> Probably a corrupted tar file, or one that was compressed but not indicated as such in the filename. tar tvf filename.tar will test the tar archive and report whether it can be read OK. file filename.tar will tell you what kind of file the OS thinks it has. On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 11:43 -0600, jack User wrote: > would someone please tell me what is wrong with this: > > tar -xfv xlog-2.0.2.tar > > to unzip this file? > > tried tar -xf xlog-2.0.2.tar also and got: > > Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > thank you > jack > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Matt Warnock RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From gthornock at yahoo.com Tue Jun 30 12:08:05 2009 From: gthornock at yahoo.com (Gary Thornock) Date: Tue Jun 30 12:08:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar Message-ID: <501235.32932.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, jack User wrote: > would someone please tell me what is wrong with this: > tar -xfv xlog-2.0.2.tar > to unzip this file? > tried tar -xf xlog-2.0.2.tar also and got: > Error is not recoverable: exiting now Based on that error message, it sounds like your tar file is either (1) damaged, (2) compressed (but without a .gz or .bz2 extension in the name), or (3) not a valid tar file to begin with. Try "file xlog-2.0.2.tar" and see if that will tell you what the file actually is. Hopefully it's either 2 or 3 and you can tell from that how to extract it successfully. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Jun 30 12:14:49 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Tue Jun 30 12:15:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar In-Reply-To: <4A4A5049.609@cendev.com> References: <1246383799.8210.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A4A5049.609@cendev.com> Message-ID: <1246385689.8480.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you. i had to move the file to a directory named "xlog-2.0.2" and then "tar -xvf xlog-2.0.2.tar" then it unzipped into directory xlog-2.0.2 now it is actually installed and running somewhat much appreciated. i had no idea the order was important. jack On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 11:50 -0600, Louis Zirkel wrote: > jack User wrote: > > would someone please tell me what is wrong with this: > > > > tar -xfv xlog-2.0.2.tar > > > > to unzip this file? > > > > tried tar -xf xlog-2.0.2.tar also and got: > > > > Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > Try it without the - before the xfv or reorder the options to xvf so the > 'f' is last. 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The 'f' denotes you're providing a filename for tar to read from > > as opposed to stdin. > > > > -- > > Louis Zirkel / lzirkel@cendev.com > > Systems Engineer > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090630/363d46de/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Jun 30 12:17:23 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Tue Jun 30 12:17:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar In-Reply-To: <1246385113.3631.55.camel@matt4> References: <1246383799.8210.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1246385113.3631.55.camel@matt4> Message-ID: <1246385843.8480.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> note the first response to this challenge. i had installed this application before version 2.0.1 and had to remove all bits of that to install 2.0.2 properly. now it is working somewhat. thank you jack On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 12:05 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > Probably a corrupted tar file, or one that was compressed but not > indicated as such in the filename. > > tar tvf filename.tar > > will test the tar archive and report whether it can be read OK. > > file filename.tar > > will tell you what kind of file the OS thinks it has. > > On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 11:43 -0600, jack User wrote: > > would someone please tell me what is wrong with this: > > > > tar -xfv xlog-2.0.2.tar > > > > to unzip this file? > > > > tried tar -xf xlog-2.0.2.tar also and got: > > > > Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > > > thank you > > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ubuntu seems to know what to do with .gz with that command anyway. it was the untar command that i could not get right without help. thank you and all, jack On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 11:08 -0700, Gary Thornock wrote: > --- On Tue, 6/30/09, jack User wrote: > > would someone please tell me what is wrong with this: > > tar -xfv xlog-2.0.2.tar > > to unzip this file? > > tried tar -xf xlog-2.0.2.tar also and got: > > Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > Based on that error message, it sounds like your tar file is > either (1) damaged, (2) compressed (but without a .gz or .bz2 > extension in the name), or (3) not a valid tar file to begin > with. > > Try "file xlog-2.0.2.tar" and see if that will tell you what the > file actually is. Hopefully it's either 2 or 3 and you can tell > from that how to extract it successfully. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090630/3cd05dcd/attachment.html From unum at unum5.org Tue Jun 30 12:24:42 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Tue Jun 30 12:24:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar In-Reply-To: <1246385982.8480.9.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <501235.32932.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1246385982.8480.9.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <4A4A586A.4010308@unum5.org> On 06/30/2009 12:19 PM, jack User wrote: > i was able to remove the gz by using: > > uncompress filename.tar.gz tar -xzf filename.tar.gz is the quick way to take care of that tar -xjf filename.tar.bz2 is also very useful Kyle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090630/3267473c/attachment.htm From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Jun 30 12:30:17 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Tue Jun 30 12:30:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar In-Reply-To: <4A4A586A.4010308@unum5.org> References: <501235.32932.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1246385982.8480.9.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A4A586A.4010308@unum5.org> Message-ID: <1246386617.13612.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you, i have printed this instruction for future reference! jack On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 12:24 -0600, Kyle Waters wrote: > On 06/30/2009 12:19 PM, jack User wrote: > > > i was able to remove the gz by using: > > > > uncompress filename.tar.gz > > > > tar -xzf filename.tar.gz > > is the quick way to take care of that > > tar -xjf filename.tar.bz2 > > is also very useful > > Kyle > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090630/2942cf36/attachment-0001.html From bms at mscis.org Tue Jun 30 16:02:30 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Tue Jun 30 16:03:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar In-Reply-To: <4A4A586A.4010308@unum5.org> References: <501235.32932.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1246385982.8480.9.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <4A4A586A.4010308@unum5.org> Message-ID: <4A4A8B76.2090207@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kyle Waters wrote: > tar -xzf filename.tar.gz > > is the quick way to take care of that > > tar -xjf filename.tar.bz2 > > is also very useful > > Kyle Generally, with later versions of tar, you don't need -j or -z when extracting. The tar command will automatically un-gzip or un-bzip2 it unless, perhaps, the file name isn't set correctly as some indicated. I haven't tested that one... The -z and -j options are still useful when compressing since it will automatically gzip or bzip2 the file after tar-ing it, so it's still good to know them. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpKi3YACgkQx0pgn74qrcInmACgitdbY0Q5ed+wGQaAsXax4m2Z F0IAmQG7v3iUmzC+r7pLFRNefLeE0RwM =lJ17 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Jun 30 17:15:38 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack) Date: Tue Jun 30 17:15:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: untar References: <501235.32932.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1246385982.8480.9.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain><4A4A586A.4010308@unum5.org> <4A4A8B76.2090207@mscis.org> Message-ID: <7C3D1E48B7104ABA800CF7F7037A8DDE@selfdpwombyjse> thank you, i added this to the other instructions. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Stout" To: "Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions" Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: untar > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Kyle Waters wrote: >> tar -xzf filename.tar.gz >> >> is the quick way to take care of that >> >> tar -xjf filename.tar.bz2 >> >> is also very useful >> >> Kyle > > Generally, with later versions of tar, you don't need -j or -z when > extracting. The tar command will automatically un-gzip or un-bzip2 it > unless, perhaps, the file name isn't set correctly as some indicated. I > haven't tested that one... > > The -z and -j options are still useful when compressing since it will > automatically gzip or bzip2 the file after tar-ing it, so it's still > good to know them. > > Brandon > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkpKi3YACgkQx0pgn74qrcInmACgitdbY0Q5ed+wGQaAsXax4m2Z > F0IAmQG7v3iUmzC+r7pLFRNefLeE0RwM > =lJ17 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members