From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 13:56:18 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Jul 1 13:56:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Is There A Daytime SLLUG Meeting, Next Week? Message-ID: <200907011356.31116.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090701/870f9dea/attachment.pgp From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 14:15:03 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:15:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Is There A Daytime SLLUG Meeting, Next Week? In-Reply-To: <200907011356.31116.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200907011356.31116.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: > > The voices in my head are telling me that there my be a daytime SLLUG > meeting next Wednesday. > > What's up with that? > > -- > Kevin Benko Yep, haven't scheduled anything yet, but I'm working on it. Hopefully an announcement can be out today or tomorrow. Cheers, Clint From beebe at math.utah.edu Wed Jul 1 14:53:44 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:53:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] tools for source code analysis Message-ID: Thanks to a pointer in the Dr Dobbs editorial column in Information Week magazine last week, I found useful Web sites maintained by NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology): https://buildsecurityin.us-cert.gov/ http://samate.nist.gov/index.php/Source_Code_Security_Analyzers.html The first discusses software security in general, and the second contains an extensive list of tools for analyzing source code in several programming languages, including C, C++, Java, Ada, PHP, C#, Visual Basic, and so on. Some of them are commercial products, but many are freely available. Since software bugs continue to plague the industry, tools that can help find errors before users/customers do are badly needed. I am familiar with a few of the listed tools (flawfinder, its4, rats, and splint), but there are many others to investigate. I tried uno, and got it to build on GNU/Linux AMD64 and IA-64, and Sun Solaris SPARC. It needs packaging work to clean up the build and installation process, but seems to be workable. I then applied it to a large software library that I'm writing, where the code has already been subjected to many C and C++ compilers, and the other tools listed above; to my surprise, uno turned up a few problems that were not previously caught, and I have now fixed them. The cca (C Code Analyzer) tool looked particularly interesting, but I have been unable to build it successfully, or find a binary installation package. Reports on this list of user experience with other packages in the NIST Web pages will be welcome. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:08:30 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 1 18:08:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Is There A Daytime SLLUG Meeting, Next Week? In-Reply-To: References: <200907011356.31116.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: next week!?!? already that soon!?!? wow i lost track of time. one day off, i guess, i thought that thursday was the first... On 7/1/09, Clint Savage wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: >> Greetings: >> >> The voices in my head are telling me that there my be a daytime SLLUG >> meeting next Wednesday. >> >> What's up with that? >> >> -- >> Kevin Benko > > Yep, haven't scheduled anything yet, but I'm working on it. Hopefully > an announcement can be out today or tomorrow. > > Cheers, > > Clint > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From haas at xmission.com Thu Jul 2 07:38:38 2009 From: haas at xmission.com (Walt Haas) Date: Thu Jul 2 07:38:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah Message-ID: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12735293 From mfrederico at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 12:08:13 2009 From: mfrederico at gmail.com (Matthew Frederico) Date: Thu Jul 2 12:08:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah In-Reply-To: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> References: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> Message-ID: <28e6af610907021108n1c36ecc1r7792339115a22348@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Walt Haas wrote: > http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12735293 This scares me.. -- -- -- Matthew Frederico From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 12:19:41 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Jul 2 12:19:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah In-Reply-To: <28e6af610907021108n1c36ecc1r7792339115a22348@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> <28e6af610907021108n1c36ecc1r7792339115a22348@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0907021119q6fd07aa1q11a468ad5dc1fc9b@mail.gmail.com> It can be rather daunting I suppose, however think about all the jobs it will create. Security analysts, Forensic Analysts, System Admins, DBA's, *nix and Windows platform programmers, the list goes on, including jobs in other industries and areas. I know personally my goal is, to get a Masters degree at James Madison University in the InfoSec program so I can work on a high level for the NSA or CIA, and this sort of thing would just make it better, so I wouldn't have to move per se, to make it happen... Justin On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Matthew Frederico wrote: > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Walt Haas wrote: >> http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12735293 > > This scares me.. > > > -- > -- > -- Matthew Frederico > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From donlivingston at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 12:26:35 2009 From: donlivingston at gmail.com (Donald Livingston) Date: Thu Jul 2 12:26:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah In-Reply-To: <28e6af610907021108n1c36ecc1r7792339115a22348@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> <28e6af610907021108n1c36ecc1r7792339115a22348@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <249fe29d0907021126i5e5d6841o44d4d329cc52db90@mail.gmail.com> The comments in the article amuse me immensely. It tickles me when left-wing nutjobs and right-wing nutjobs find something to gang up on. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Matthew Frederico wrote: > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Walt Haas wrote: > > http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12735293 > > This scares me.. > > > -- > -- > -- Matthew Frederico > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Don Livingston www.donaldlivingston.com "I enjoy delusions of grandeur. If you're going to have delusions, you might as well go for the really satisfying ones." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090702/dc45032f/attachment.htm From dragen at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 12:43:44 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Thu Jul 2 12:43:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah In-Reply-To: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> References: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> Message-ID: <6902ba8e0907021143p258e6f85ta34cc90afd00ca5a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Walt Haas wrote: > http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12735293 Don't forget there is nothing for data connectivity out in Bluffdale/Saratoga. This will call for a lot of fiber to be run out through the south end of the valley. Perhaps those tasked with installing it will make the right calls and team up with local ISPs and drop some fiber in neighborhoods. Wishful thinking? -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com From mark.k.spute at L-3com.com Thu Jul 2 12:57:23 2009 From: mark.k.spute at L-3com.com (mark.k.spute@L-3com.com) Date: Thu Jul 2 12:57:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah In-Reply-To: <6902ba8e0907021143p258e6f85ta34cc90afd00ca5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> <6902ba8e0907021143p258e6f85ta34cc90afd00ca5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C85@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Hmmm. Maybe they could build it out in Magna? -----Original Message----- From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Adam Barrett Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:44 PM To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Walt Haas wrote: > http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12735293 Don't forget there is nothing for data connectivity out in Bluffdale/Saratoga. This will call for a lot of fiber to be run out through the south end of the valley. Perhaps those tasked with installing it will make the right calls and team up with local ISPs and drop some fiber in neighborhoods. Wishful thinking? -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From mfrederico at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 12:59:20 2009 From: mfrederico at gmail.com (Matthew Frederico) Date: Thu Jul 2 12:59:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0907021119q6fd07aa1q11a468ad5dc1fc9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> <28e6af610907021108n1c36ecc1r7792339115a22348@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0907021119q6fd07aa1q11a468ad5dc1fc9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28e6af610907021159i7712b75k70d33976b326a8c8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > It can be rather daunting I suppose, however think about all the jobs > it will create. Security analysts, Forensic Analysts, System Admins, > DBA's, *nix and Windows platform programmers, the list goes on, > including jobs in other industries and areas. Jobs are great -> soon we will all work for the Govermilitary! They will save us from ourselves! SAVE US OBAMA! > I know personally my goal is, to get a Masters degree at James Madison > University in the InfoSec program so I can work on a high level for > the NSA or CIA, and this sort of thing would just make it better, so I > wouldn't have to move per se, to make it happen... The Government will save me from the "cyber bullies"! If you flame me and it "hurts my feelings" you could go to jail! http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1966: -- -- -- Matthew Frederico From jshatch at azza.com Thu Jul 2 12:58:23 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Thu Jul 2 13:00:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: NSA to build huge facility in Utah In-Reply-To: <6902ba8e0907021143p258e6f85ta34cc90afd00ca5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4CB85E.50509@xmission.com> <6902ba8e0907021143p258e6f85ta34cc90afd00ca5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4D034F.1040107@azza.com> Adam Barrett wrote: > Perhaps those tasked with installing it will make the right calls and > team up with local ISPs and drop some fiber in neighborhoods. > > Wishful thinking? Don't get my hopes up too high... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps those tasked with > installing it will make the right calls and team up with local ISPs > and drop some fiber in neighborhoods. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/30/AR2009053002114.html http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/06/secret_govermen.html Or they could be hidden. While hiding out with residential and city fiber gives density benefits, not letting anyone know where to find it also gives a level of protection. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090702/d9bf7f41/attachment.htm From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Sat Jul 4 12:45:03 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Sat Jul 4 12:45:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1246733103.13325.1323504341@webmail.messagingengine.com> A little followup on this thread (of which I'm OP :-). I'm in the middle of the wiring work now... and it seems to be going pretty well. I got a big spool of coax from a guy I know... he's the sort who likes to have "the best" of things, and I suspect it's good stuff, although haven't investigated. One thing that stands out about it is that the main wire has an extra single-conductor (separately insulated) attached to the side of it. Looks like the sort of thing that could be easily stripped off. I have no idea what it's for. Ground? Should I leave this extra side-wire attached? It'll make the cable- pulling more troublesome. Is it something of real value? Another one: there are a few places where I need to come uncomfortably close to high-voltage wires, or light fixtures. Not that I'm running in parallel or anything, but I've made great effort to avoid coming near it at all. The worst potential situation is one immediately down- stream of my aggregation point, which means virtually ALL the lines would pass through this hole in my 14" thick foundation, along with a bunch of high- volt and other utilities. I can avoid this, but it'll mean drilling another hole at considerable inconvenience in another location (although in wood). Is there any kind of shielded conduit or something that I can use to protect my data lines in such a case? I already asked a guy at Home Depot and he said no, nothing like that exists. Naturally I'd like to get some more opinions :-) If such a shield could be had without too great expense, I'd love to avoid drilling that other hole. Thanks again! Dave From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 21:21:50 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat Jul 4 12:52:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime SIG Meeting: July 8 - 11:30am-1pm : Cobbler: the powerful installation, dhcp, dns and repo server! Message-ID: HI all, This month's SLLUG Daytime SIG meeting is this coming Wednesday, July 8, from 11:30am-1pm at BetaLoft. I apologize for being slow getting this out, we've been working through a big datacenter move this past week at work. Now that is over, it's time for SLLUG Daytime at BetaLoft, (357 W 200 S Suite 201 Salt Lake City, UT, 84101). http://sn.im/betaloft-slc-map if you need directions. I'd like to let you all know that I (Clint Savage) will be presenting this month, and the topic is: Cobbler, the powerful, installation, dhcp, dns and repo server! If you have ever wanted to setup a system with pxe, dhcp, customized repositories and more, then cobbler is for you. Feel free to read up on the cobbler website before the meeting. http://fedorahosted.org/cobbler. I should mention that cobbler supports several distributions of Linux, and will soon support Windows remote installation (using Linux RIS). Albeit, I'll focus on setup of cobbler, a simple installation server with just one distro, using kvm and koan (kickstart over a network) with some basic networking and showing the gui tools as well. Bring your lunch and your brains and learn all about setting up your very own install server in under an hour. See you all on Wednesday! Cheers, Herlo From haas at xmission.com Fri Jul 3 13:08:41 2009 From: haas at xmission.com (Walt Haas) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:42:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: London Stock Exchange to abandon failed Windows platform Message-ID: <4A4E5739.2000804@xmission.com> http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform They shoulda used Linux. -- Walt From bmidgley at xmission.com Sat Jul 4 10:01:44 2009 From: bmidgley at xmission.com (Brad Midgley) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:42:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: mythtv vs. comcast In-Reply-To: <148f6bb30904290630v2edd8d51pbb48f4abebede17d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903081900.n28J05n5012726@sllug.org> <49B53A69.8090903@iomega.com> <49B54BEE.2020805@azza.com> <90cf3c3d0903091023t164f9a51m57777e9bf27335cd@mail.gmail.com> <6eed9f340f42b31b135992e8f7045a82.squirrel@jeremyshop.com> <49B574ED.3080208@azza.com> <148f6bb30903091317j59e4283ei26776b3b7050f9f7@mail.gmail.com> <49F7C625.9030007@xmission.com> <148f6bb30904290630v2edd8d51pbb48f4abebede17d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4F7CE8.7090605@xmission.com> Matt > With two completely different mythtv front end machines, I was getting > unacceptable flicker (one flicker about every 3 seconds) when using > xvmc. It only happens on some streams. Both machines were displaying on > the same 1360x768 tv. > > For now I've disabled xvmc and upgraded to a machine with pci-e so the > computer can keep up without xvmc. > Would you mind posting what kind of video card you are running? I have > always gone with cheap nvidia cards, and have always wondered if a > better one would help. I was cleaning up and found this old message. Sorry, didn't mean for it to drop! One of the cards is pci (6200 iirc) and the pci-e card is an e-GeForce 7200 GS. Both of them flicker badly while showing some (but not all) videos using xvmc. I guess now that I don't use mpeg2 I could be transcoding everything. There's an upside. One fun thing I did with this new machine was attach another monitor and usb keyboard with the idea of making it multiseat. Proper multiseat wouldn't work, but I was able to have one instance of X driving both video cards. I control mythtv with the remote and the kids can use mouse/keyboard with apps displaying on the other monitor. Audio was a mess until I added a cheap usb adapter* and made pulseaudio route flash sound to it instead of the main sound card. It would be great to have just one main machine that can be on all the time that does everything. I'll probably give multiseat another try later (that why I bought a machine with the onboard video and three pci-e x8/x16 slots) Back to the main topic, it was a great move to switch to basic cable with only hd that is usable by mythtv. I'm never going to pay comcast again for (encrypted) hd that I can't use however I want to. * http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5831 Brad From benko.kevin at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 09:24:37 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Sat Jul 4 14:08:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: LVM tip Message-ID: <200907030924.39802.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Greetings: I'd like to share an LVM tip. Background: Added a hard drive Used "pvmove" to empty out a physical volume / partition deleted the partition <----{here was my screw-up} resized one of my non-LVM partitions recreated the partition in question (which changed the UUID) LVM error messages ensued I *forgot* to remove that old physical volume / partition from the volume group and I also *forgot* to remove the partition as a physical volume. before I started to edit files in /etc/lvm/* I opted to RTFM "vgreduce" with the "--removemissing" option fixed everything just fine. TIP #1: when removing LVM partitions... tell LVM about it before you do it TIP#2: "vgreduce --removemissing $VOLUMEGROUPNAME" will make you happy if you ignore TIP#1 -- Kevin Benko "Jack Daniel, of Jack Daniel's Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey, died in 1911 at age 61. He couldn't open his office safe, so he kicked it in anger, broke his toe, developed gangrene, and died, ultimately from a tantrum. 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090703/1eb10d39/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Jul 4 14:17:17 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack) Date: Sat Jul 4 14:17:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1246733103.13325.1323504341@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <32B069B8CA6F433881B787E006122405@selfdpwombyjse> i have no idea about that extra wire unless it is to take the strain from the cable when hanging. if you are uncomfortable running the cable thru the big entry hole without protection, could you cover it for that distance with conduit? the conduit would, if grounded only on one end to avoid ground loops, protect the cable from any unwanted electromagnetic fields/RFI, etc. ham radio is my main hobby. coaxial cable with 90% or better shield is generally well enuf insulated and protected from RFI. i have had as many as 8 transmission cables running thru the same 4 inch hole in my basement wall to antennas outside the house. the cover on such cable is sufficient to contain much higher voltage than the nominal 110 or 220 AC that runs thru house wiring. normally such cable is rated at 600 VAC or higher. the conduit would be plenty for RFI and voltage protection for your purposes if you ground it on one end only. the ground should be to a copper coated ground rod driven 8 feet into the ground for ham radio purposes. you could do with a bit less maybe. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J Iannucci" To: "Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: Home wiring >A little followup on this thread (of which I'm OP :-). > > I'm in the middle of the wiring work now... and it seems to be going > pretty well. I got a big spool of coax from a guy I know... he's the > sort who likes to have "the best" of things, and I suspect it's good > stuff, although haven't investigated. One thing that stands out > about it is that the main wire has an extra single-conductor > (separately insulated) attached to the side of it. Looks like the > sort of thing that could be easily stripped off. I have no idea what > it's for. Ground? > > Should I leave this extra side-wire attached? It'll make the cable- > pulling more troublesome. Is it something of real value? > > Another one: there are a few places where I need to come uncomfortably > close to high-voltage wires, or light fixtures. Not that I'm running > in parallel or anything, but I've made great effort to avoid coming > near it at all. The worst potential situation is one immediately down- > stream of my aggregation point, which means virtually ALL the lines > would pass through this hole in my 14" thick foundation, along with a > bunch of high- volt and other utilities. I can avoid this, but it'll > mean drilling another hole at considerable inconvenience in another > location (although in wood). > > Is there any kind of shielded conduit or something that I can use to > protect my data lines in such a case? I already asked a guy at Home > Depot and he said no, nothing like that exists. Naturally I'd like to > get some more opinions :-) If such a shield could be had without too > great expense, I'd love to avoid drilling that other hole. > > Thanks again! > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 16:21:37 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Jul 4 21:17:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: i made a perl shell Message-ID: hi all i made the attached perl shell because i was bored and wanted to learn perl. it has my login name embedded in the prompt :S because i am uploading in a hurry, but i anyone wants it... read the code to figure it out, for now at least i don't have time to explain it. -- the blendmaster -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The two most helpful sites I have found are: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/VPN_%28the_easy_way%29_v24%2B http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/58336 but I am running into problems. Can someone help me setup my www.dd-wrt.com router to do openvpn in bridged mode? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090704/63cfcd38/attachment.html From lookmomnohands at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 12:43:11 2009 From: lookmomnohands at gmail.com (lookmomnohands@gmail.com) Date: Sun Jul 5 12:43:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: G4L is now a four letter word Message-ID: <1082630685-1246819411-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-769175259-@bxe1242.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Okay, so I've had great experiences with *nix. I advocate as much as possible, and frankly I do try to read and accept all of the comments on here about top posting, and whatnot (WARNING: My blackberry doesn't end it's lines after any number of characters that is known to me). So please don't flame about this. However, I need assistance with restoring a backup which I did way back when, through G4L. The details I can recall are as follows: I backed up between 40 and 80 gig to a bunch of 2 gig spanned, numbered pieces. I cannot seem to guess the compression choices, although I named the files .bz* I have a terra drive with a chunk partitioned to 80 gig, so as to allow whatever to be fully dumped, which I'd like to use as the restore spot-this is an USB drive. The only other thing off the top of my head is that I didn't have the confidence in the limited GUI, to use it for the final process of mounting each piece and performing the backup- I believe I did this through CLI switches. HELP! What can I try in order to finally regain this data? In other simpler worlds, (perhaps with less proprietary methods) the backup tells the unpacking program what *it needs* to be properly unpacked. If this is left up to my brain, I'm going to have to start looking for another state to live in, since the data needing extracted is family pictures, which were not otherwise retained. Much to the chagrin of my wife. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From encoded at xmtp.net Sun Jul 5 15:38:23 2009 From: encoded at xmtp.net (encoded@xmtp.net) Date: Sun Jul 5 15:38:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Free laptop Message-ID: <02D4C134-534D-4822-8F5C-03B4AC06E0EE@xmtp.net> I'm giving away an old laptop. Last I knew it still worked. I'm going to recycle it on Friday if no one wants it. It's a Sony VAIO Z505js. 650 MHz, 256 MB (I think), 12 GB HDD, 12" display. Comes with a triple life battery, AC adaptor, external (PCMCIA) DVD- ROM, a PCMCIA Lucent Orinoco Gold 802.11b wireless card, and port replicator. I bought it new in 2000. It ran linux for me just fine. Please contact me off list if you're interested. Thanks, Eric -- encoded@xmtp.net From nightshadespectre at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 15:52:04 2009 From: nightshadespectre at gmail.com (Jon McV) Date: Sun Jul 5 15:52:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Free laptop In-Reply-To: <02D4C134-534D-4822-8F5C-03B4AC06E0EE@xmtp.net> References: <02D4C134-534D-4822-8F5C-03B4AC06E0EE@xmtp.net> Message-ID: <76896e880907051452u7fb23d0vee3c81de84e2ecd4@mail.gmail.com> If you're giving it away for free, I'd definitely be interested On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 3:38 PM, wrote: > I'm giving away an old laptop. Last I knew it still worked. I'm going to > recycle it on Friday if no one wants it. > > It's a Sony VAIO Z505js. 650 MHz, 256 MB (I think), 12 GB HDD, 12" > display. > > Comes with a triple life battery, AC adaptor, external (PCMCIA) DVD-ROM, a > PCMCIA Lucent Orinoco Gold 802.11b wireless card, and port replicator. > > I bought it new in 2000. It ran linux for me just fine. > > Please contact me off list if you're interested. > > Thanks, > > Eric > -- > encoded@xmtp.net > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Jj -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to subscribe by clicking the link below (or adding the following feed to your calendaring program) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Utah Tech Events Calendar - Google Calendar: http://sn.im/ute-calendar Utah Tech Events Calendar - iCal Feed: http://sn.im/ute-calendar-ics Utah Open Source Foundation also regularly records Local User Group (LUG) meetings throughout the state. Feel free to check out our podcasts and live streaming schedules. Utah Open Source Podcasts - http://podcast.utos.org From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 23:49:06 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Jul 5 23:49:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: i made a perl shell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f932a4a0907052249j7c8bf8fdh82d01c43f75017af@mail.gmail.com> Right on. :) I'll have to check it out a little later when my brain isn't on auto pilot! :P LOL Thanks man. Justin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > hi all i made the attached perl shell because i was bored and wanted > to learn perl. > it has my login name embedded in the prompt :S because i am uploading > in a hurry, > but i anyone wants it... read the code to figure it out, for now at > least i don't have time to explain it. > > -- > the blendmaster > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 00:00:24 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Jul 6 00:00:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: G4L is now a four letter word In-Reply-To: <1082630685-1246819411-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-769175259-@bxe1242.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1082630685-1246819411-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-769175259-@bxe1242.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0907052300o62ed7751t732dccf2c02eb46b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, not sure if anyone has responded to you privately yet (didn't see any group replies on this one ;) ), but I'm not sure if much of has has delved into G4L much. However, a resource you can really allocate is www.linuxquestions.org. Awesome forum site for any question, concern, or issue you can think of addressing with Linux distros and things like FreeBSD. I hope that at least gets you in the right direction to figure that out. Just a side note though for future reference, don't ever back anything up without noting what options you used during the backup. As you are finding out now, failing to do so just causes a big headache down the road. ;) Justin On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > Okay, so I've had great experiences with *nix. I advocate as much as possible, and frankly I do try to read and accept all of the comments on here about top posting, and whatnot (WARNING: My blackberry doesn't end it's lines after any number of characters that is known to me). So please don't flame about this. However, I need assistance with restoring a backup which I did way back when, through G4L. The details I can recall are as follows: > I backed up between 40 and 80 gig to a bunch of 2 gig spanned, numbered pieces. I cannot seem to guess the compression choices, although I named the files .bz* I have a terra drive with a chunk partitioned to 80 gig, so as to allow whatever to be fully dumped, which I'd like to use as the restore spot-this is an USB drive. The only other thing off the top of my head is that I didn't have the confidence in the limited GUI, to use it for the final process of mounting each piece and performing the backup- I believe I did this through CLI switches. HELP! What can I try in order to finally regain this data? In other simpler worlds, (perhaps with less proprietary methods) the backup tells the unpacking program what *it needs* to be properly unpacked. If this is left up to my brain, I'm going to have to start looking for another state to live in, since the data needing extracted is family pictures, which were not otherwise retained. Much to the chagrin of my wife. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From sllug at fungusmovies.com Mon Jul 6 09:20:30 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Mon Jul 6 09:20:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1246733103.13325.1323504341@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1246733103.13325.1323504341@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <8bcade370907060820q5069e9d7pc474f8be8e45c4f3@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM, David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm in the middle of the wiring work now... and it seems to be going > pretty well. ?I got a big spool of coax from a guy I know... he's the > sort who likes to have "the best" of things, and I suspect it's good > stuff, although haven't investigated. ?One thing that stands out > about it is that the main wire has an extra single-conductor > (separately insulated) attached to the side of it. ?Looks like the > sort of thing that could be easily stripped off. ?I have no idea what > it's for. ?Ground? > > Should I leave this extra side-wire attached? ?It'll make the cable- > pulling more troublesome. ?Is it something of real value? The extra wire is meant for a ground. It is really common with RG6 Coax cables. It is primarily used to ground a satellite dish, or other antennae. So if you don't need the ground, it is just fine to strip it off. --lonnie From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Mon Jul 6 09:39:07 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Mon Jul 6 09:39:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <8bcade370907060820q5069e9d7pc474f8be8e45c4f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com><1246733103.13325.1323504341@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8bcade370907060820q5069e9d7pc474f8be8e45c4f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1246894747.6735.1323717807@webmail.messagingengine.com> > The extra wire is meant for a ground. It is really common with RG6 > Coax cables. It is primarily used to ground a satellite dish, or > other antennae. So if you don't need the ground, it is just fine to > strip it off. Thanks for the response.... so I gather from this that in a typical application like mine - running wires to jacks within a house, the ground is not needed, or even usable, at all? Dave From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Mon Jul 6 09:49:29 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Mon Jul 6 09:49:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <32B069B8CA6F433881B787E006122405@selfdpwombyjse> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com><1246733103.13325.1323504341@webmail.messagingengine.com> <32B069B8CA6F433881B787E006122405@selfdpwombyjse> Message-ID: <1246895369.8398.1323718515@webmail.messagingengine.com> > the conduit would, if grounded only on one end to avoid ground loops, > protect the cable from any unwanted electromagnetic fields/RFI, etc. I'll check into this - thanks a lot. > ham radio is my main hobby. Back in the 80s I had a technician license and worked 2m, but the interest only lasted about 5 years :-) > coaxial cable with 90% or better shield is generally well enuf > insulated and protected from RFI. i have had as many as 8 transmission > cables running thru the same 4 inch hole in my basement wall... Actually I've got about 20 Cat5e lines along with the 10 RG6 coax. Does your advice apply just as well to twisted pair as to coax? Sorry for being ignorant.... > the ground should be to a copper coated ground rod driven 8 feet into > the ground for ham radio purposes. you could do with a bit less maybe. Mmmm, yeah... I don't think I'll be doing that :-) What I do have available to me in proximity to this site are a cold water pipe, and a length of rebar sticking out of a newer part of my foundation. Which would you recommend using? Dave From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Jul 6 12:07:17 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Mon Jul 6 12:07:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1246895369.8398.1323718515@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1246733103.13325.1323504341@webmail.messagingengine.com> <32B069B8CA6F433881B787E006122405@selfdpwombyjse> <1246895369.8398.1323718515@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1246903637.9201.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 09:49 -0600, David J Iannucci wrote: > > the conduit would, if grounded only on one end to avoid ground loops, > > protect the cable from any unwanted electromagnetic fields/RFI, etc. > > I'll check into this - thanks a lot. > > > ham radio is my main hobby. > > Back in the 80s I had a technician license and worked 2m, but the > interest only lasted about 5 years :-) > > > coaxial cable with 90% or better shield is generally well enuf > > insulated and protected from RFI. i have had as many as 8 transmission > > cables running thru the same 4 inch hole in my basement wall... > > Actually I've got about 20 Cat5e lines along with the 10 RG6 coax. Does > your advice apply just as well to twisted pair as to coax? Sorry for > being > ignorant.... a twisted pair is not protected from RFI, tho it is better than lamp cord. the grounded shield is a necessity if there is RFI (radio frequency interference) of any sort. that is caused by all sorts of electronic devices, computers and switching power supplies being the worst culprits. coaxial cable is usually well enuf protected from RFI as it keeps RF in and external RF out. > > > the ground should be to a copper coated ground rod driven 8 feet into > > the ground for ham radio purposes. you could do with a bit less maybe. > > Mmmm, yeah... I don't think I'll be doing that :-) What I do have > available to me in proximity to this site are a cold water pipe, and a > length of rebar sticking out of a newer part of my foundation. Which > would you recommend using? the cold water pipe would be adequate for your purposes. telephone companies used to ground telephones that way. that is no longer needed with the new systems. however the cold water pipe should run thru the ground to be effective. i know my copper cold water line runs to the meter as i had to replace it some years ago. such is sufficient for your concerns. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090706/c0523693/attachment.htm From lookmomnohands at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 14:04:41 2009 From: lookmomnohands at gmail.com (lookmomnohands@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jul 6 14:05:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: G4L is now a four letter word Message-ID: <1973500042-1246910703-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-480323709-@bxe1242.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thanks for your response, I really had thought I took care of most things simply via my filename structure. Sad thing is that I have no clue whether anything really worked at this point. Their UI is severely lacking and subsequent switches were a guess at best. For instance: what verbiage would you expect target and host to mean? I believe at last I looked, they were so vague as to have me absolutely convinced that they were backwards. At least that's the only way I could get anything to happen at all. Will attempt again soon. Meanwhile Justin, are you related to a Miranda Brinkerhoff (now Hancock)? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 18:41:24 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Jul 6 18:41:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: i made a perl shell In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0907052249j7c8bf8fdh82d01c43f75017af@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907052249j7c8bf8fdh82d01c43f75017af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: i've added more to it but i'm not at my desktop right now, i'll upload it when i can. On 7/6/09, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Right on. :) I'll have to check it out a little later when my brain > isn't on auto pilot! :P LOL > > Thanks man. > > Justin > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Christian > Horne wrote: >> hi all i made the attached perl shell because i was bored and wanted >> to learn perl. >> it has my login name embedded in the prompt :S because i am uploading >> in a hurry, >> but i anyone wants it... read the code to figure it out, for now at >> least i don't have time to explain it. >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 20:30:50 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Mon Jul 6 20:30:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux Tip of the Day Message-ID: <614c1080907061930o85b444dk2acd2f593d6f175b@mail.gmail.com> I decided to start this thread up again. Here's my tip of the day. I have a bash script which downloads log files from each of my companies apache servers and does some parsing. I found an easy way to do some parallelization. Here's the idiom: COUNTER=0 PARALLEL=2 for i in $servers do if ((!($COUNTER % $PARRALLEL ))) then wait;#kind of like a threads->join method fi ssh root@$servers 'cool stuff here' & let COUNTER=COUNTER+1 done wait;#collect any stragglers ymmv, and this is not the optimal way to spread the work load, but it can speed up some stuff. --Shane Hansen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090707/3aba7052/attachment.html From david.richardson at utah.edu Tue Jul 7 13:34:53 2009 From: david.richardson at utah.edu (David Richardson) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:35:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Steven Morrey wrote: > Hi All, > > I know this is a linux list but I'm having a bit of trouble tracking down a bit of > perl know how that I used to know and now don't :) > Hoping someone on the list can give me a quick pointer. > > I have 2 arrays, @keys and @vals I need to turn them into an associative array %array > (hopefully without iterating the entire way down) but I can't seem to track this > information down. Hm. I don't know of any built-in to do this. For curiosity's sake, why do you want to do this without iterating through the arrays? Are the arrays large enough that memory usage is a concern? DR -- David Richardson "I hope you're not leading a double life, pretending to be wicked while being really good all the time. That would be hypocrisy." -- Cecily, The Importance of Being Earnest From namonai at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 13:35:12 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:35:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <847993120907071235n180d6921v2b2e7884994eb1f3@mail.gmail.com> while (@keys) { $somehash{shift @keys} = shift @vals; } On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Hi All, > > I know this is a linux list but I'm having a bit of trouble tracking down a > bit of perl know how that I used to know and now don't :) > Hoping someone on the list can give me a quick pointer. > > I have 2 arrays, @keys and @vals I need to turn them into an associative > array %array (hopefully without iterating the entire way down) but I can't > seem to track this information down. > > I've been googling and? I've come up empty handed. > Does anyone know this one? > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > Steve > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From ewfalor at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 13:35:16 2009 From: ewfalor at gmail.com (Erik Falor) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:35:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090707193515.GB2342@gemini> On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 01:26:40PM -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > Hi All, > > I know this is a linux list but I'm having a bit of trouble tracking down a > bit of perl know how that I used to know and now don't :) > Hoping someone on the list can give me a quick pointer. > > I have 2 arrays, @keys and @vals I need to turn them into an associative > array %array (hopefully without iterating the entire way down) but I can't > seem to track this information down. > > I've been googling and I've come up empty handed. > Does anyone know this one? > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > Steve I believe that python has a zip() method which takes two same-sized arrays and interleaves the elements together. Unfortunately, Perl doesn't have one built-in, so you'll have to do it yourself with a for-loop. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org From sdmorrey at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 13:48:00 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:48:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nope Im just touching Perl for the first time in a couple of years, and I could've swore I've done this before by taking a key and value array and popping them into an associative array using a builtin. OTOH maybe it was Python. Sincerely, Steve On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:34 PM, David Richardson wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Steven Morrey wrote: > > Hi All, >> >> I know this is a linux list but I'm having a bit of trouble tracking down >> a bit of >> perl know how that I used to know and now don't :) >> Hoping someone on the list can give me a quick pointer. >> >> I have 2 arrays, @keys and @vals I need to turn them into an associative >> array %array >> (hopefully without iterating the entire way down) but I can't seem to >> track this >> information down. >> > > > Hm. I don't know of any built-in to do this. > > For curiosity's sake, why do you want to do this without iterating through > the arrays? Are the arrays large enough that memory usage is a concern? > > DR > > -- > David Richardson > "I hope you're not leading a double life, pretending to be wicked > while being really good all the time. That would be hypocrisy." > -- Cecily, The Importance of Being Earnest > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090707/d672d0cb/attachment.htm From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Tue Jul 7 14:08:00 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Tue Jul 7 14:08:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1246997280.23595.1323953207@webmail.messagingengine.com> > I have 2 arrays, @keys and @vals I need to turn them into an > associative array %array (hopefully without iterating the entire way > down) but I can't seem to track this information down. As with everything else, in Perl TIMTOWTDI :-) Here are a couple ideas for Perlish WTDI: %array = map { $_, shift @vals } @keys; This one will empty out your @vals array. You didn't say whether it was ok to modify the @keys and @vals arrays. You also didn't say if it might be the case that @keys and @vals don't have the same length. I've assumed they do. In case you don't want to modify the source arrays: %array = map { $keys[$_], $vals[$_] } 0..$#keys; Map is your friend. It can save you from ugly loops in many cases. But overusing it can lead to ugliness as well... Dave From charles at infoplatter.com Tue Jul 7 14:19:43 2009 From: charles at infoplatter.com (Charles Johnston) Date: Tue Jul 7 14:19:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A53ADDF.5050104@infoplatter.com> Steven Morrey wrote: > Hi All, > > I know this is a linux list but I'm having a bit of trouble tracking > down a bit of perl know how that I used to know and now don't :) > Hoping someone on the list can give me a quick pointer. > > I have 2 arrays, @keys and @vals I need to turn them into an associative > array %array (hopefully without iterating the entire way down) but I > can't seem to track this information down. > I think this is what you're looking for: my %array; @array{@keys} = @vals; Charles From sdmorrey at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 14:27:59 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Tue Jul 7 14:28:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: <4A53ADDF.5050104@infoplatter.com> References: <4A53ADDF.5050104@infoplatter.com> Message-ID: Yep that was it! Thanks for the refresher. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Charles Johnston wrote: > Steven Morrey wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I know this is a linux list but I'm having a bit of trouble tracking > > down a bit of perl know how that I used to know and now don't :) > > Hoping someone on the list can give me a quick pointer. > > > > I have 2 arrays, @keys and @vals I need to turn them into an associative > > array %array (hopefully without iterating the entire way down) but I > > can't seem to track this information down. > > > > I think this is what you're looking for: > > my %array; > > @array{@keys} = @vals; > > > Charles > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090707/6d7fdf96/attachment.html From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Tue Jul 7 14:46:46 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Tue Jul 7 14:46:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: <4A53ADDF.5050104@infoplatter.com> References: <4A53ADDF.5050104@infoplatter.com> Message-ID: <1246999606.29555.1323960063@webmail.messagingengine.com> > @array{@keys} = @vals; Wow. And I thought I knew Perl pretty well :-) But as much as I love the language, and am even fond of most of its syntax, this is a particularly UGLY bit thereof. The @ sigil on the hash seems arbitrary and is certainly unintuitive. Why not % ? I hope they'll be making such shorthands more elegant in six.... Dave From ewfalor at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 15:40:48 2009 From: ewfalor at gmail.com (Erik Falor) Date: Tue Jul 7 15:40:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: <4A53ADDF.5050104@infoplatter.com> References: <4A53ADDF.5050104@infoplatter.com> Message-ID: <20090707214047.GC2342@gemini> On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 02:19:43PM -0600, Charles Johnston wrote: > I think this is what you're looking for: > > my %array; > > @array{@keys} = @vals; A hash slice! That's heroically elegant! -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 17:52:19 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 7 17:52:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Free laptop In-Reply-To: <76896e880907051452u7fb23d0vee3c81de84e2ecd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <02D4C134-534D-4822-8F5C-03B4AC06E0EE@xmtp.net> <76896e880907051452u7fb23d0vee3c81de84e2ecd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: i'll pay $20! i need a better laptop! On 7/5/09, Jon McV wrote: > If you're giving it away for free, I'd definitely be interested > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 3:38 PM, wrote: > >> I'm giving away an old laptop. Last I knew it still worked. I'm going to >> recycle it on Friday if no one wants it. >> >> It's a Sony VAIO Z505js. 650 MHz, 256 MB (I think), 12 GB HDD, 12" >> display. >> >> Comes with a triple life battery, AC adaptor, external (PCMCIA) DVD-ROM, a >> PCMCIA Lucent Orinoco Gold 802.11b wireless card, and port replicator. >> >> I bought it new in 2000. It ran linux for me just fine. >> >> Please contact me off list if you're interested. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Eric >> -- >> encoded@xmtp.net >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > > -- > Jj > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 17:52:46 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 7 17:52:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Free laptop In-Reply-To: References: <02D4C134-534D-4822-8F5C-03B4AC06E0EE@xmtp.net> <76896e880907051452u7fb23d0vee3c81de84e2ecd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: oh, and i will probably negotiate for a bit more if you need. On 7/7/09, Christian Horne wrote: > i'll pay $20! i need a better laptop! > > On 7/5/09, Jon McV wrote: >> If you're giving it away for free, I'd definitely be interested >> >> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 3:38 PM, wrote: >> >>> I'm giving away an old laptop. Last I knew it still worked. I'm going >>> to >>> recycle it on Friday if no one wants it. >>> >>> It's a Sony VAIO Z505js. 650 MHz, 256 MB (I think), 12 GB HDD, 12" >>> display. >>> >>> Comes with a triple life battery, AC adaptor, external (PCMCIA) DVD-ROM, >>> a >>> PCMCIA Lucent Orinoco Gold 802.11b wireless card, and port replicator. >>> >>> I bought it new in 2000. It ran linux for me just fine. >>> >>> Please contact me off list if you're interested. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Eric >>> -- >>> encoded@xmtp.net >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jj >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > -- the blendmaster From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 18:28:16 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Jul 7 18:28:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux Tip of the Day In-Reply-To: <614c1080907061930o85b444dk2acd2f593d6f175b@mail.gmail.com> References: <614c1080907061930o85b444dk2acd2f593d6f175b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A53E820.6080906@gmail.com> Since we're doing this. I had something interesting I had come up recently. I was asked to create a script that would make a copy then archive files we were generating on a server. The trick was we had a live file that was being written to until it reached a gig in size OR an hour had passed. Then it would rotate automagically. Nothing fancy but it works great. I've got it setup in cron to run every few minutes. For what it's worth :D #!/bin/sh # Manage the files so they are archived and loaded but leave the last one because it may be busy. ARCHIVE_DIR="/archive" PICKUP_DIR="/logs" if ! test -d $ARCHIVE_DIR then mkdir -p $ARCHIVE_DIR fi if ! test -d $PICKUP_DIR then mkdir -p $PICKUP_DIR fi cd /logs numfiles="`ls -1 | wc -l`" if [ $numfiles -gt 1 ] then lastfile="`ls -1tr | tail -1`" for file in `ls -1 | grep -v $lastfile` do cp $file $ARCHIVE_DIR gzip $ARCHIVE_DIR/$file mv $file $PICKUP_DIR done fi From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 18:32:01 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 7 18:32:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux Tip of the Day: use rsync to synchronize home directorys Message-ID: hey, so this is my tip. earlier, i wanted to be able to just type "sync" into my laptop's command line and it synchronize the home directorys on my laptop and desktop. after reading "man rsync" through once or twice, i did this: i put this in ~/rsyncd.conf on my desktop: #begin rsyncd.conf #my username is blendmaster pid file = /home/blendmaster/rsyncd.pid address = REPLACE_THIS_WITH_YOUR_COMPUTER'S_LOCAL_IP_ADDRESS #these should be your userid - not nobody and not root. uid = YOUR_USERNAME_GOES_HERE gid = YOUR_USERNAME_GOES_HERE #make SURE it uses default port - this is unnecessary port = 873 log file = /home/YOUR_USERNAME_GOES_HERE/rsyncd.log #should limit to only on your network - but my desktop is not online, so i was not worried hosts allow=* [home] path=/home/YOUR_USERNAME_GOES_HERE/./ read only = no #don't want to sync config files filter= - /.* #end rsyncd.conf then, in my home folder, i run: $ rsync --daemon --config\=rsyncd.conf in the home folder on my laptop i have this in "sync": #!/bin/bash dir="home" baseargs="-avuzpHg --exclude '/.*' --exclude-from excludes --safe-links --progress" #a=archive,v=verbose,u=update,z=compress,p=keep permissions,g=keep group,--safe-links=don't follow symlinks to parents of .,--progress=show progress addr="PUT_YOUR_DESKTOP'S_LOCAL_IP_ADDRESS_HERE" if [ "$1" = "deltodesk" ] # upload first then rsync $baseargs --del . $addr::$dir/ #put rsync $baseargs --del $addr::$dir/ . #get elif [ "$1" = "delfromdesk" ] #download first, with delete then rsync $baseargs --del $addr::$dir/ . #get rsync $baseargs --del . $addr::$dir/ #put elif [ "$1" = "no-del" ] then rsync $baseargs $addr::$dir/ . #get rsync $baseargs . $addr::$dir/ #put elif [ ""$1" = "todesk_only" ] then rsync $baseargs . $addr::$dir/ #put elif [ ""$1" = "fromdesk_only" ] then rsync $baseargs $addr::$dir/ . #get else echo "usage: $0 [delfromdesk|deltodesk|fromdesk_only|todesk_only|no-del]" fi #end "sync" i just run "./sync" on my laptop (when i'm in it's home dir) and it syncs the home dirs. it takes a long time to run the first time, but after that it's much faster. also, i had to correct the date on my laptop, so that the timestamps would match up. just my 2 cents on rsync.. more like 30 cents, but whatever. From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 18:32:54 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 7 18:33:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux Tip of the Day In-Reply-To: <4A53E820.6080906@gmail.com> References: <614c1080907061930o85b444dk2acd2f593d6f175b@mail.gmail.com> <4A53E820.6080906@gmail.com> Message-ID: HEY NOT FAIR I JUST SPENT 15 MINUTES WRITING ONE!!!! On 7/7/09, u235sentinel wrote: > Since we're doing this. I had something interesting I had come up > recently. I was asked to create a script that would make a copy then > archive files we were generating on a server. The trick was we had a > live file that was being written to until it reached a gig in size OR an > hour had passed. Then it would rotate automagically. > > Nothing fancy but it works great. I've got it setup in cron to run > every few minutes. > > For what it's worth :D > > > #!/bin/sh > > # Manage the files so they are archived and loaded but leave the last > one because it may be busy. > > ARCHIVE_DIR="/archive" > PICKUP_DIR="/logs" > > if ! test -d $ARCHIVE_DIR > then > mkdir -p $ARCHIVE_DIR > fi > if ! test -d $PICKUP_DIR > then > mkdir -p $PICKUP_DIR > fi > > cd /logs > > numfiles="`ls -1 | wc -l`" > if [ $numfiles -gt 1 ] > then > lastfile="`ls -1tr | tail -1`" > for file in `ls -1 | grep -v $lastfile` > do > cp $file $ARCHIVE_DIR > gzip $ARCHIVE_DIR/$file > mv $file $PICKUP_DIR > done > fi > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From eggyknap at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 00:11:37 2009 From: eggyknap at gmail.com (Joshua Tolley) Date: Wed Jul 8 00:12:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: <1246999606.29555.1323960063@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4A53ADDF.5050104@infoplatter.com> <1246999606.29555.1323960063@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20090708061137.GD3133@eddie> On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 02:46:46PM -0600, David J Iannucci wrote: > > @array{@keys} = @vals; > > Wow. And I thought I knew Perl pretty well :-) But as much as I love > the language, and am even fond of most of its syntax, this is a > particularly UGLY bit thereof. The @ sigil on the hash seems arbitrary > and is certainly unintuitive. Why not % ? I hope they'll be making > such shorthands more elegant in six.... I can't speak for what's in Perl 6 (still need to study that one of these days) but I find the hash slice sigil syntax very consistent. A hash slice is a list of slice elements, so @ is the appropriate sigil. Also note that while the various loop-based mechanisms discussed earlier can work, the hash slice version is the fastest way of doing this. -- Joshua Tolley / eggyknap End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All web-based applications will automatically work and new applications can be written using your favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform." -- Marc From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 08:56:51 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Wed Jul 8 08:57:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> Isn't there another company in redmond that keeps getting in trouble for shipping a browser with their OS? --Shane On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Marc Christensen wrote: > Here's the announcement: > > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html > > It will be interesting to see what it's like. It seems that Linux is > mainly used as a shim between hardware and the browser with little > running locally. Intended mainly for web applications which are > completely cross-platform. The windowing system will be new so no X > apps running natively: > > "The software architecture is simple ? Google Chrome running within a > new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application > developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will > automatically work and new applications can be written using your > favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only > on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac > and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform." > > -- > Marc > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090708/a0a8ca6a/attachment.html From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 09:03:31 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Wed Jul 8 09:03:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: These guys are shipping a browser AS their OS. Does sound a bit like IE with ActiveX though doesn't it? On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Ricardo wrote: > Isn't there another company in redmond that keeps getting in trouble for > shipping a browser > with their OS? > > --Shane > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Marc Christensen wrote: > >> Here's the announcement: >> >> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html >> >> It will be interesting to see what it's like. It seems that Linux is >> mainly used as a shim between hardware and the browser with little >> running locally. Intended mainly for web applications which are >> completely cross-platform. The windowing system will be new so no X >> apps running natively: >> >> "The software architecture is simple ? Google Chrome running within a >> new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application >> developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will >> automatically work and new applications can be written using your >> favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only >> on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac >> and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any >> platform." >> >> -- >> Marc >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090708/cd378ac9/attachment.htm From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 09:14:00 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 8 09:14:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have internet!? I'M sure not switching! On 7/8/09, Steven Morrey wrote: > These guys are shipping a browser AS their OS. > Does sound a bit like IE with ActiveX though doesn't it? > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Ricardo wrote: > >> Isn't there another company in redmond that keeps getting in trouble for >> shipping a browser >> with their OS? >> >> --Shane >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Marc Christensen wrote: >> >>> Here's the announcement: >>> >>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html >>> >>> It will be interesting to see what it's like. It seems that Linux is >>> mainly used as a shim between hardware and the browser with little >>> running locally. Intended mainly for web applications which are >>> completely cross-platform. The windowing system will be new so no X >>> apps running natively: >>> >>> "The software architecture is simple ? Google Chrome running within a >>> new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application >>> developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will >>> automatically work and new applications can be written using your >>> favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only >>> on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac >>> and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any >>> platform." >>> >>> -- >>> Marc >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > -- the blendmaster From dragen at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 09:21:13 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Wed Jul 8 09:21:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6902ba8e0907080821w55af6780o28d401e4cf41e1f1@mail.gmail.com> Well Christian, you are simply not their target market. I would suspect this to be great for people like my wife. All she uses a computer for is Facebook and Email. Kudos to Google. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Christian Horne wrote: > sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have internet!? > I'M sure not switching! > > On 7/8/09, Steven Morrey wrote: >> These guys are shipping a browser AS their OS. >> Does sound a bit like IE with ActiveX though doesn't it? >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Ricardo wrote: >> >>> Isn't there another company in redmond that keeps getting in trouble for >>> shipping a browser >>> with their OS? >>> >>> --Shane >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Marc Christensen wrote: >>> >>>> Here's the announcement: >>>> >>>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html >>>> >>>> It will be interesting to see what it's like. ?It seems that Linux is >>>> mainly used as a shim between hardware and the browser with little >>>> running locally. ?Intended mainly for web applications which are >>>> completely cross-platform. ?The windowing system will be new so no X >>>> apps running natively: >>>> >>>> "The software architecture is simple ? Google Chrome running within a >>>> new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application >>>> developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will >>>> automatically work and new applications can be written using your >>>> favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only >>>> on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac >>>> and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any >>>> platform." >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marc >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com From bms at mscis.org Wed Jul 8 09:21:43 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Jul 8 09:22:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A54B987.20700@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christian Horne wrote: > sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have internet!? > I'M sure not switching! This might have a good application as a kiosk. It would probably run better than a machine that has a whole OS on it with a web browser in kiosk mode, and everything locked down to enforce kiosk mode. I imagine they have stuff like that in mind, not replacement of home computers. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpUuYcACgkQx0pgn74qrcKSUACcD+17Xh+tGLuEcz19bUhONuOn WJQAnj4MNT+npWj8ipj4qkrJidzMQq22 =soq7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 09:23:34 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Wed Jul 8 09:23:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Probably a gears like solution for offline use when no internet is available. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Christian Horne wrote: > sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have internet!? > I'M sure not switching! > > On 7/8/09, Steven Morrey wrote: > > These guys are shipping a browser AS their OS. > > Does sound a bit like IE with ActiveX though doesn't it? > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Ricardo > wrote: > > > >> Isn't there another company in redmond that keeps getting in trouble for > >> shipping a browser > >> with their OS? > >> > >> --Shane > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Marc Christensen >wrote: > >> > >>> Here's the announcement: > >>> > >>> > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html > >>> > >>> It will be interesting to see what it's like. It seems that Linux is > >>> mainly used as a shim between hardware and the browser with little > >>> running locally. Intended mainly for web applications which are > >>> completely cross-platform. The windowing system will be new so no X > >>> apps running natively: > >>> > >>> "The software architecture is simple ? Google Chrome running within a > >>> new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application > >>> developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will > >>> automatically work and new applications can be written using your > >>> favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only > >>> on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac > >>> and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any > >>> platform." > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Marc > >>> ______________________________________________________________________ > >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >>> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jared From kd7nyq at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 14:55:49 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Wed Jul 8 14:55:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> > sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have internet!? > I'M sure not switching! I somehow see the proliferation of 802.11s coming... Jackman. From robertmerrill at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 16:28:09 2009 From: robertmerrill at gmail.com (Robert Merrill at gmail dot com) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:28:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> LinkedIn ------------ Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Pavel, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Robert View invitation from Robert Merrill at gmail dot com http://www.linkedin.com/e/dAkZCgmk-DluY3OQdWkt7XyClmunQ3FDr04N/blk/1294053703_2/0OnPcMdPcRc3gVcz4LqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ ------------------------------------------ DID YOU KNOW you can use your LinkedIn profile as your website? 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090708/6a3438ab/attachment.htm From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:10:09 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:10:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> Message-ID: don't send this to mailing lists On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com wrote: > LinkedIn > ------------ > > Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection on > LinkedIn: > ------------------------------------------ > > Pavel, > > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > - Robert > > View invitation from Robert Merrill at gmail dot com > http://www.linkedin.com/e/dAkZCgmk-DluY3OQdWkt7XyClmunQ3FDr04N/blk/1294053703_2/0OnPcMdPcRc3gVcz4LqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ > > ------------------------------------------ > DID YOU KNOW you can use your LinkedIn profile as your website? Select a > vanity URL and then promote this address on your business cards, email > signatures, website, etc > http://www.linkedin.com/e/ewp/inv-21/ > > > > ------ > (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation > > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:23:29 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:23:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: oh yeah i forgot about that! it sounded awesome but then i haven't heard anything about it for months, and what i have was from 3-year-old library books. On 7/8/09, Andrew Jackman wrote: >> sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have >> internet!? >> I'M sure not switching! > > I somehow see the proliferation of 802.11s coming... > > Jackman. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:24:44 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:24:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: oh yeah i forgot about that! it sounded awesome but then i haven't heard anything about it for months, and what i have was from 3-year-old library books. On 7/8/09, Andrew Jackman wrote: >> sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have >> internet!? >> I'M sure not switching! > > I somehow see the proliferation of 802.11s coming... > > Jackman. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:25:03 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:25:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ahh oops double send ;) On 7/8/09, Christian Horne wrote: > oh yeah i forgot about that! it sounded awesome but then i haven't > heard anything > about it for months, and what i have was from 3-year-old library books. > > On 7/8/09, Andrew Jackman wrote: >>> sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have >>> internet!? >>> I'M sure not switching! >> >> I somehow see the proliferation of 802.11s coming... >> >> Jackman. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > -- the blendmaster From kd7nyq at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:28:55 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:29:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390907081728o1cf17455ge868bf9d5ee1195d@mail.gmail.com> It's really cool. My coworker has played with it. http://www.open80211s.org/ On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > oh yeah i forgot about that! it sounded awesome but then i haven't > heard anything > about it for months, and what i have was from 3-year-old library books. > > On 7/8/09, Andrew Jackman wrote: >>> sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if ou don't have >>> internet!? >>> I'M sure not switching! >> >> I somehow see the proliferation of 802.11s coming... >> >> Jackman. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From ecantwell at bluehost.com Wed Jul 8 18:40:21 2009 From: ecantwell at bluehost.com (Erick Cantwell) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:40:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A553C75.2050007@bluehost.com> Google operating system....check Google browser....check Google office suite....check Google search engine....check Google phone....check Google talk service to compliment phone....check Google monopoly? ....check Their slogan might be "Do no evil", but remember that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Of course at this point I'm exaggerating the severity of the situation, but I for one would appreciate it if a lot of people out there would get rid of the "Google can do no wrong" attitude (this is not an accusing statement to anyone in specific really, so I don't want any ultra defensive remarks). I love their search engine, but what they are becoming worries me more than a little bit. --Erick From lt.seejay at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:52:39 2009 From: lt.seejay at gmail.com (Jacob Adams) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:52:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <4A553C75.2050007@bluehost.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> <4A553C75.2050007@bluehost.com> Message-ID: <0B5F7030-EDB8-40EE-B383-63BD2033AF1B@gmail.com> Just because they have great vertical integration does not mean they are a monopoly. If they controlled a massive market share of each of those areas (and I only see a large, but not monopolisticly so, market share in one of those categories), then yes, I would say we should worry about a monopoly. As is, they're just diversified. Jake On Jul 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Erick Cantwell wrote: > Google operating system....check > Google browser....check > Google office suite....check > Google search engine....check > Google phone....check > Google talk service to compliment phone....check > Google monopoly? > > > ....check > > Their slogan might be "Do no evil", but remember that the road to > hell is paved with good intentions. Of course at this point I'm > exaggerating the severity of the situation, but I for one would > appreciate it if a lot of people out there would get rid of the > "Google can do no wrong" attitude (this is not an accusing statement > to anyone in specific really, so I don't want any ultra defensive > remarks). I love their search engine, but what they are becoming > worries me more than a little bit. > > --Erick > From kd7nyq at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:57:06 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:57:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <4A553C75.2050007@bluehost.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> <4A553C75.2050007@bluehost.com> Message-ID: <79c119390907081757h7b2b812cye8fe460a6081f844@mail.gmail.com> > Their slogan might be "Do no evil", but remember that the road to hell is > paved with good intentions. ?Of course at this point I'm exaggerating the > severity of the situation, but I for one would appreciate it if a lot of > people out there would get rid of the "Google can do no wrong" attitude > (this is not an accusing statement to anyone in specific really, so I don't > want any ultra defensive remarks). ?I love their search engine, but what > they are becoming worries me more than a little bit. > > --Erick > May I suppose that one thing (although somewhat frowned upon) that open source has shown us is that, while there is a black hat corporate environment, there is also black hat hacking. While, morally speaking, most of us frown upon it, we hide in the closet cheering it on. Black hat software development has given rise to such things as p2p file sharing, aircrack-ng, and decss. If Google does give rise to black hat corporate practice, my faith is that the underground will continue to undermine practices which it finds offensive. Until that happens, I have a clean conscience allowing Google to provide its services products without interference. Jackman From zspecialk at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:57:48 2009 From: zspecialk at gmail.com (Scott K) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:57:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <4A553C75.2050007@bluehost.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> <4A553C75.2050007@bluehost.com> Message-ID: <90cf3c3d0907081757o1c0fa800ge75dff77fb1435a1@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Erick Cantwell wrote: > but I for one would appreciate it if a lot of people out there would get > rid of the "Google can do no wrong" attitude (this is not an accusing > statement to anyone in specific really, so I don't want any ultra defensive > remarks). I love their search engine, but what they are becoming worries me > more than a little bit. > Curious that I heard this interview with Google's CEO yesterday about that: http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/07/07/pm_corner_office_google_schmidt/ I think the biggest danger here is centralized access to a lot of information that's a subpoena or hacker or less away from those who would abuse power. While each Google employee is supposed to look at systems and ask if they are 'evil' or being used for evil, if one of them does something evil without getting caught, it isn't that different. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We tried using them as soon as Google Apps made them available. and the fact that the document can be shared and edited simultaneously by people in different locations has been far more useful than any extra feature of the desk-bound spreadsheet software. -- Walt From haas at xmission.com Thu Jul 9 08:55:09 2009 From: haas at xmission.com (Walt Haas) Date: Thu Jul 9 08:55:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <79c119390907081757h7b2b812cye8fe460a6081f844@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907081355p5fbcfcaan688c43b20c44e15a@mail.gmail.com> <4A553C75.2050007@bluehost.com> <79c119390907081757h7b2b812cye8fe460a6081f844@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5604CD.4020600@xmission.com> Andrew Jackman wrote: > ... Black hat software development has given rise to such things as > p2p file sharing... Actually, way back in 1969, the original design purpose for the ARPAnet was to allow p2p file sharing of scientific research. The notion of centralized servers came along about 10 or 15 years later if I recall, but servers didn't really become popular until Sir Tim invented the web as an application layer on top of the net. -- Walt From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 08:57:24 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Thu Jul 9 08:57:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Google Chrome OS - Linux based web OS In-Reply-To: <4A5602A1.2020407@xmission.com> References: <4A549939.3060500@mecworks.com> <614c1080907080756k16174ff0r95b428deb0fe2e68@mail.gmail.com> <4A5602A1.2020407@xmission.com> Message-ID: <614c1080907090757w54bfdfdfm248dac13850cc34e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Walt Haas wrote: > Christian Horne wrote: > >> sounds horrible. no web based oses please! what if you don't have >> internet!? >> I'M sure not switching! >> > > We're finding that shared spreadsheets in the cloud are one of our best > tools for coordinating the work of various people. We tried using them as > soon as Google Apps made them available. and the fact that the document can > be shared and edited simultaneously by people in different locations has > been far more useful than any extra feature of the desk-bound spreadsheet > software. > > -- Walt > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > I think that collaboration is the killer app for web apps. On another note, there is rumor that microsoft is getting ready to announce a competitor to chrome OS: http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=79655 they released the research paper several months ago. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The notion of centralized > servers came along about 10 or 15 years later if I recall, but servers > didn't really become popular until Sir Tim invented the web as an > application layer on top of the net. > It feels good to get back to your roots :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090709/6300edc0/attachment.html From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 11:14:22 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Jul 9 11:14:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> Message-ID: Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving linkedin invitation requests? I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > don't send this to mailing lists > > On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com > wrote: > > LinkedIn > > ------------ > > > > Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection on > > LinkedIn: > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > Pavel, > > > > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > > > - Robert > > > > View invitation from Robert Merrill at gmail dot com > > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/dAkZCgmk-DluY3OQdWkt7XyClmunQ3FDr04N/blk/1294053703_2/0OnPcMdPcRc3gVcz4LqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > DID YOU KNOW you can use your LinkedIn profile as your website? Select a > > vanity URL and then promote this address on your business cards, email > > signatures, website, etc > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/ewp/inv-21/ > > > > > > > > ------ > > (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation > > > > > > > -- > the blendmaster > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090709/f293ef12/attachment-0001.htm From dragen at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 11:21:52 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Thu Jul 9 11:21:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> Message-ID: <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> Doesn't Account & Settings -> Receiving Messages -> set all to "No Email" do the trick? On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving linkedin > invitation requests? > I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne > wrote: >> >> don't send this to mailing lists >> >> On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com >> wrote: >> > LinkedIn >> > ------------ >> > >> > Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection on >> > LinkedIn: >> > ------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Pavel, >> > >> > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >> > >> > - Robert >> > >> > View invitation from Robert Merrill at gmail dot com >> > >> > http://www.linkedin.com/e/dAkZCgmk-DluY3OQdWkt7XyClmunQ3FDr04N/blk/1294053703_2/0OnPcMdPcRc3gVcz4LqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ >> > >> > ------------------------------------------ >> > DID YOU KNOW you can use your LinkedIn profile as your website? Select a >> > vanity URL and then promote this address on your business cards, email >> > signatures, website, etc >> > http://www.linkedin.com/e/ewp/inv-21/ >> > >> > >> > >> > ------ >> > (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> the blendmaster >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 11:28:06 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Jul 9 11:28:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Don't you need an account for that though? On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Adam Barrett wrote: > Doesn't > > Account & Settings -> Receiving Messages -> set all to "No Email" > > do the trick? > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: > > Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving linkedin > > invitation requests? > > I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne < > blendmaster1024@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> don't send this to mailing lists > >> > >> On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com > >> wrote: > >> > LinkedIn > >> > ------------ > >> > > >> > Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection > on > >> > LinkedIn: > >> > ------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > Pavel, > >> > > >> > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > >> > > >> > - Robert > >> > > >> > View invitation from Robert Merrill at gmail dot com > >> > > >> > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/dAkZCgmk-DluY3OQdWkt7XyClmunQ3FDr04N/blk/1294053703_2/0OnPcMdPcRc3gVcz4LqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------ > >> > DID YOU KNOW you can use your LinkedIn profile as your website? Select > a > >> > vanity URL and then promote this address on your business cards, email > >> > signatures, website, etc > >> > http://www.linkedin.com/e/ewp/inv-21/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------ > >> > (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> the blendmaster > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > > > -- > Adam Barrett > dragen@gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090709/2bfff658/attachment.html From jshatch at azza.com Thu Jul 9 11:28:54 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Thu Jul 9 11:30:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5628D6.9000204@azza.com> The problem seems to be that Pavel Koshevoy has used the email address sllug-members@sllug.org as his contact email on Linkedin, so notifications meant for him are being sent to the list. He likely needs to change it. His linkedin profile page is: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pavel-koshevoy/6/16/657 Jarom Adam Barrett wrote: > Doesn't > > Account & Settings -> Receiving Messages -> set all to "No Email" > > do the trick? > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: >> Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving linkedin >> invitation requests? >> I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne >> wrote: >>> don't send this to mailing lists >>> >>> On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com >>> wrote: >>>> LinkedIn >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection on >>>> LinkedIn: >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Pavel, >>>> >>>> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >>>> >>>> - Robert >>>> >>>> View invitation from Robert Merrill at gmail dot com >>>> >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/dAkZCgmk-DluY3OQdWkt7XyClmunQ3FDr04N/blk/1294053703_2/0OnPcMdPcRc3gVcz4LqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> DID YOU KNOW you can use your LinkedIn profile as your website? Select a >>>> vanity URL and then promote this address on your business cards, email >>>> signatures, website, etc >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/ewp/inv-21/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> the blendmaster >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While, morally > speaking, most of us frown upon it, we hide in the closet cheering it > on. Black hat software development has given rise to such things as > p2p file sharing, aircrack-ng, and decss. If Google does give rise to > black hat corporate practice, my faith is that the underground will > continue to undermine practices which it finds offensive. I'm not sure I'd call those black hat activities.Most of those are gray hat or white hat. Labeling vulnerability hacking generally has more to do with intent and ethics than later usage and even the law (especially when ignorantly or poorly written). P2p is hardly even hacking, and merely falls under the category of copyright infringement when providers don't have permission to redistribute. There is even legal precedent for unauthorized sharing of copyrighted works with friends under mix tape rulings. Cracking poorly written wireless network security protocols and publishing the results was an important contribution by hackers. Such published cracks protect us from black hat hackers who wouldn't share the vulnerability, but would instead use it against us for personal profit or destructive ends. DeCSS is about protecting our rights from businesses taking over our government and using it against us. Fair use trumps DMCA, and sometimes it is more ethical to break the law and go to court for your beliefs than to do nothing. Attaching a label like black hat to someone who just wanted to use his legally obtained media on his preferred operating system only serves the special interests of the corporations who have co-opted our government. Finding out what Google is doing with our search information, browsing habits, personal email, documents, calenders, pictures, physical location, personal information and anything else we, people that we know, businesses or the government gives to Google is important. Only some of that information is necessary to uniquely identify us, invade our privacy and steal or destroy our assets. It is fortunate that one of Google's guiding principles is seeking to be ethical, given the enormous power they have over our information. That still doesn't protect us from black hats who break into or insiders within Google's systems. Enacting personal privacy laws like those in Europe and data retention limitations would be wise for protecting individuals from corporate abuse. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090709/e857d745/attachment.htm From nathamberlane at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 14:40:28 2009 From: nathamberlane at gmail.com (Nathan Lane) Date: Thu Jul 9 14:40:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: How to Use Webmin? Message-ID: <9afbd5b90907091340h71b915dfg61d455287f4c63a6@mail.gmail.com> Can anybody give me a brief intro on how to really use Webmin with Apache on Linux (using Debian Base Gnewsense latest with Apache 2, perl 5.8.8)? The Webmin Wiki is giving me the runaround, and I am having a difficult time just "getting started". -- Nathan Lane Home, http://www.nathandelane.com Blog, http://nathandelane.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090709/d8962121/attachment.html From joseph at thatworks.com Thu Jul 9 15:07:17 2009 From: joseph at thatworks.com (Joseph Hall) Date: Thu Jul 9 15:07:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: How to Use Webmin? In-Reply-To: <9afbd5b90907091340h71b915dfg61d455287f4c63a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afbd5b90907091340h71b915dfg61d455287f4c63a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <429579db0907091407p61154557o2ecef4325729594f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nathan Lane wrote: > Can anybody give me a brief intro on how to really use Webmin with Apache on > Linux (using Debian Base Gnewsense latest with Apache 2, perl 5.8.8)? The > Webmin Wiki is giving me the runaround, and I am having a difficult time > just "getting started". Very, very briefly: * Webmin doesn't use Apache. It actually runs its own web server, on port 10000. * The Perl script that runs Webmin is called miniserv.pl. I don't know how it works on your distro, but in RHEL, you can just use the chkconfig and service commands to manage it. But the RPM isn't in RHEL or EPEL, you need to get it directly from the site. * IIRC, the default root login uses the same password as the root user on the system. You can change that after you log in, as well as add non-system Webmin users with varying levels of access control. I've found most of the interface to be pretty intuitive once you get logged in. But I've also found that the more experienced I've gotten with Linux in general, the less I like using Webmin. At the moment, I only use it for browing LDAP directories; everything else I prefer to do from the command prompt now. But if you have a more specific question, I could probably answer it. Joseph http://blog.josephhall.com/ From nathamberlane at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 15:13:37 2009 From: nathamberlane at gmail.com (Nathan Lane) Date: Thu Jul 9 15:13:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: How to Use Webmin? In-Reply-To: <429579db0907091407p61154557o2ecef4325729594f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afbd5b90907091340h71b915dfg61d455287f4c63a6@mail.gmail.com> <429579db0907091407p61154557o2ecef4325729594f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9afbd5b90907091413n5ea92da5h58ff7b9ee7a63849@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Joseph. That explains a lot. So I was looking for a sort of management tool to manage Apache when I stumbled upon Webmin. Does webmin manage Apache, or do you know of a web-based alternative for managing Apache configuration? On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hall wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nathan Lane > wrote: > > Can anybody give me a brief intro on how to really use Webmin with Apache > on > > Linux (using Debian Base Gnewsense latest with Apache 2, perl 5.8.8)? The > > Webmin Wiki is giving me the runaround, and I am having a difficult time > > just "getting started". > > Very, very briefly: > * Webmin doesn't use Apache. It actually runs its own web server, on port > 10000. > * The Perl script that runs Webmin is called miniserv.pl. I don't know > how it works on your distro, but in RHEL, you can just use the > chkconfig and service commands to manage it. But the RPM isn't in RHEL > or EPEL, you need to get it directly from the site. > * IIRC, the default root login uses the same password as the root user > on the system. You can change that after you log in, as well as add > non-system Webmin users with varying levels of access control. > > I've found most of the interface to be pretty intuitive once you get > logged in. But I've also found that the more experienced I've gotten > with Linux in general, the less I like using Webmin. At the moment, I > only use it for browing LDAP directories; everything else I prefer to > do from the command prompt now. > > But if you have a more specific question, I could probably answer it. > > Joseph > http://blog.josephhall.com/ > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Nathan Lane Home, http://www.nathandelane.com Blog, http://nathandelane.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does webmin > manage Apache, or do you know of a web-based alternative for managing Apache > configuration? > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hall wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nathan Lane >> wrote: >> > Can anybody give me a brief intro on how to really use Webmin with >> Apache on >> > Linux (using Debian Base Gnewsense latest with Apache 2, perl 5.8.8)? >> The >> > Webmin Wiki is giving me the runaround, and I am having a difficult time >> > just "getting started". >> >> Very, very briefly: >> * Webmin doesn't use Apache. It actually runs its own web server, on port >> 10000. >> * The Perl script that runs Webmin is called miniserv.pl. I don't know >> how it works on your distro, but in RHEL, you can just use the >> chkconfig and service commands to manage it. But the RPM isn't in RHEL >> or EPEL, you need to get it directly from the site. >> * IIRC, the default root login uses the same password as the root user >> on the system. You can change that after you log in, as well as add >> non-system Webmin users with varying levels of access control. >> >> I've found most of the interface to be pretty intuitive once you get >> logged in. But I've also found that the more experienced I've gotten >> with Linux in general, the less I like using Webmin. At the moment, I >> only use it for browing LDAP directories; everything else I prefer to >> do from the command prompt now. >> >> But if you have a more specific question, I could probably answer it. >> >> Joseph >> http://blog.josephhall.com/ >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > > -- > Nathan Lane > Home, http://www.nathandelane.com > Blog, http://nathandelane.blogspot.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090709/9cffb04b/attachment.html From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 16:10:45 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu Jul 9 16:10:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Custom Red Hat Spin In-Reply-To: <38fc83270907091423p258349e4t4ff32ffa632d6a90@mail.gmail.com> References: <38fc83270907091423p258349e4t4ff32ffa632d6a90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Thad Van Ry wrote: > SUSE Enterprise Server includes a tool called CD Creator that can take an > Yast autoinstall file and build a cd that only includes the files that the > autoinst.xml file would need to install. > Does anybody know if there is a similar tool for Red Hat based distros? I'm > thinking of something that could take a kickstart file and put the packages > that the kickstart file would need onto a single cd that you could then > install from. > > Thanks. > Thad live-cd-creator is available from the epel repository http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/repoview/livecd-tools.html You can also customize it to *exactly* the packages you like (unless they are required for Fedora/RedHat to run). Very customizable. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix If you prefer to make install CDs/DVD, have a look at pungi https://fedorahosted.org/pungi/ Cheers, Clint From thatch45 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 16:15:57 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Thu Jul 9 16:16:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Custom Red Hat Spin In-Reply-To: References: <38fc83270907091423p258349e4t4ff32ffa632d6a90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0907091515l4b18120eia44a17211bbddaf0@mail.gmail.com> http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/ Revisor works very well, it is the program used to make respins On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Thad Van Ry wrote: > > SUSE Enterprise Server includes a tool called CD Creator that can take an > > Yast autoinstall file and build a cd that only includes the files that > the > > autoinst.xml file would need to install. > > Does anybody know if there is a similar tool for Red Hat based distros? > I'm > > thinking of something that could take a kickstart file and put the > packages > > that the kickstart file would need onto a single cd that you could then > > install from. > > > > Thanks. > > Thad > > live-cd-creator is available from the epel repository > > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/repoview/livecd-tools.html > > You can also customize it to *exactly* the packages you like (unless > they are required for Fedora/RedHat to run). Very customizable. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix > > If you prefer to make install CDs/DVD, have a look at pungi > > https://fedorahosted.org/pungi/ > > Cheers, > > Clint > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He likely needs > to change it. > > His linkedin profile page is: > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pavel-koshevoy/6/16/657 > > Jarom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090709/4c1406fa/attachment.html From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 18:01:44 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu Jul 9 18:01:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Custom Red Hat Spin In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0907091515l4b18120eia44a17211bbddaf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <38fc83270907091423p258349e4t4ff32ffa632d6a90@mail.gmail.com> <6172c17e0907091515l4b18120eia44a17211bbddaf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Clint Savage wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Thad Van Ry wrote: >> > SUSE Enterprise Server includes a tool called CD Creator that can take >> > an >> > Yast autoinstall file and build a cd that only includes the files that >> > the >> > autoinst.xml file would need to install. >> > Does anybody know if there is a similar tool for Red Hat based distros? >> > I'm >> > thinking of something that could take a kickstart file and put the >> > packages >> > that the kickstart file would need onto a single cd that you could then >> > install from. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > Thad >> >> live-cd-creator is available from the epel repository >> >> >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/repoview/livecd-tools.html >> >> You can also customize it to *exactly* the packages you like (unless >> they are required for Fedora/RedHat to run). ?Very customizable. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix >> >> If you prefer to make install CDs/DVD, have a look at pungi >> >> https://fedorahosted.org/pungi/ >> >> Cheers, >> >> Clint On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/ > > Revisor works very well, it is the program used to make respins > Indeed. It just uses livecd-tools and pungi :) From u235sentinel at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 18:26:01 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Thu Jul 9 18:26:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Positions at Zions Bank Message-ID: <4A568A99.9000202@gmail.com> I understand Zions Bank is hiring for at least one (maybe two) positions with Information Security. I don't have a lot of information (it's a different department in Information Security) but I hear they want someone who knows checkpoint firewalls and can troubleshoot networking issues. If interested get in touch with me and I'll find out more. I know they are interviewing right now and the candidates already interviewed are somewhat.... lacking for what they are looking for. Thanks! From jon at nesnah.org Thu Jul 9 21:30:24 2009 From: jon at nesnah.org (Jon) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:33:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Positions at Zions Bank In-Reply-To: <4A568A99.9000202@gmail.com> References: <4A568A99.9000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A56B5D0.9090504@nesnah.org> u235sentinel rambled about the following on 7/9/09 6:26 PM: > I understand Zions Bank is hiring for at least one (maybe two) > positions with Information Security. There will most likely be an AIX admin job opening up soon as well. From beebe at math.utah.edu Thu Jul 9 19:00:10 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:39:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] new article on Google Chrome browser security Message-ID: Some of you may be interested in this new article about security in the Google Chrome browser: @String{j-QUEUE = "ACM Queue: Tomorrow's Computing Today"} @Article{Reis:2009:BSL, author = "Charles Reis and Adam Barth and Carlos Pizano", title = "Browser Security: Lessons from {Google Chrome}", journal = j-QUEUE, volume = "7", number = "5", pages = "3:1--3:8", month = jun, year = "2009", CODEN = "AQCUAE", DOI = "http://dx.doi.org/10.1145/1538947.1556050", ISSN = "1542-7730", bibdate = "Wed Jun 3 16:38:07 MDT 2009", bibsource = "http://portal.acm.org/", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, articleno = "3", } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ewfalor at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 21:20:43 2009 From: ewfalor at gmail.com (Erik Falor) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:49:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Recommendation for a good log analyser Message-ID: <20090710032042.GA12428@gemini.doesntexist.org> I would like to know what tool(s) you folks use to stay on top of your logs? I'm looking for a tool to help me filter out or otherwise point out important events that show up in /var/log/messages. I don't necessarily need an enterprise-class solution, just something that will handle a handfull of log files on my home PC. I was considering writing a glorified grep in Perl, but I decided that it would be really nice if I could get e-mail notifications should something serious happen. At that point, I decided that it would be prudent to look to an established project before embarking on my own. Regards, Erik -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org From u235sentinel at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 21:54:53 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:55:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Positions at Zions Bank In-Reply-To: <4A56B5D0.9090504@nesnah.org> References: <4A568A99.9000202@gmail.com> <4A56B5D0.9090504@nesnah.org> Message-ID: <4A56BB8D.5030208@gmail.com> Jon wrote: > u235sentinel rambled about the following on 7/9/09 6:26 PM: >> I understand Zions Bank is hiring for at least one (maybe two) >> positions with Information Security. > There will most likely be an AIX admin job opening up soon as well. Probably. They do have a lot of AIX and Solaris there. From pavel at aragog.com Thu Jul 9 22:12:25 2009 From: pavel at aragog.com (Pavel Koshevoy) Date: Thu Jul 9 22:12:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <4A5628D6.9000204@azza.com> References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> <4A5628D6.9000204@azza.com> Message-ID: <4A56BFA9.5060805@aragog.com> My appologies for the inconvenience, however my primary contact on linked-in is pkoshevoy@gmail.com. I just checked under my account settings on linked-in and for some reason it listed 2 more e-mail address under account settings -- qt-interest@trolltech.com and sllug-members@sllug.org. Both were marked confirmed. I did not put those there myself (at least not knowingly), and I have no idea how they got there. I've removed both of the mailing list addresses just now. Pavel. Jarom Hatch wrote: > > The problem seems to be that Pavel Koshevoy has used the email address > > sllug-members@sllug.org as his contact email on Linkedin, so > > notifications meant for him are being sent to the list. He likely needs > > to change it. > > > > His linkedin profile page is: > > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pavel-koshevoy/6/16/657 > > > > Jarom > > > > Adam Barrett wrote: > > > >> >> Doesn't >> >> >> >> Account & Settings -> Receiving Messages -> set all to "No Email" >> >> >> >> do the trick? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving linkedin >>> >>> invitation requests? >>> >>> I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> don't send this to mailing lists >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> LinkedIn >>>>> >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection on >>>>> >>>>> LinkedIn: >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pavel, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From pavel at aragog.com Thu Jul 9 21:56:10 2009 From: pavel at aragog.com (Pavel Koshevoy) Date: Thu Jul 9 22:14:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <4A5628D6.9000204@azza.com> References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> <4A5628D6.9000204@azza.com> Message-ID: <4A56BBDA.6070800@aragog.com> My appologies for the inconvenience, however my primary contact on linked-in is pkoshevoy@gmail.com. I just checked under my account settings on linked-in and for some reason it listed 2 more e-mail address under account settings -- qt-interest@trolltech.com and sllug-members@sllug.org. Both were marked confirmed. I did not put those there myself (at least not knowingly), and I have no idea how they got there. I've removed both of the mailing list addresses just now. Pavel. Jarom Hatch wrote: > The problem seems to be that Pavel Koshevoy has used the email address > sllug-members@sllug.org as his contact email on Linkedin, so > notifications meant for him are being sent to the list. He likely needs > to change it. > > His linkedin profile page is: > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pavel-koshevoy/6/16/657 > > Jarom > > Adam Barrett wrote: > >> Doesn't >> >> Account & Settings -> Receiving Messages -> set all to "No Email" >> >> do the trick? >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: >> >>> Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving linkedin >>> invitation requests? >>> I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne >>> wrote: >>> >>>> don't send this to mailing lists >>>> >>>> On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> LinkedIn >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection on >>>>> LinkedIn: >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Pavel, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >>>>> >>>>> - Robert >>>>> From joseph at thatworks.com Thu Jul 9 22:05:25 2009 From: joseph at thatworks.com (Joseph Hall) Date: Thu Jul 9 22:27:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Recommendation for a good log analyser In-Reply-To: <20090710032042.GA12428@gemini.doesntexist.org> References: <20090710032042.GA12428@gemini.doesntexist.org> Message-ID: <429579db0907092105r6de5cf62lf41dce2df91dcd18@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Erik Falor wrote: > I would like to know what tool(s) you folks use to stay on top of your > logs? > > I'm looking for a tool to help me filter out or otherwise point out > important events that show up in /var/log/messages. Check out logwatch: http://www.logwatch.org/ -- Joseph http://blog.josephhall.com/ From jreverri at comcast.net Fri Jul 10 08:14:02 2009 From: jreverri at comcast.net (Jason R) Date: Fri Jul 10 08:34:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Recommendation for a good log analyser In-Reply-To: <429579db0907092105r6de5cf62lf41dce2df91dcd18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org From alansyoungiii at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 11:09:05 2009 From: alansyoungiii at gmail.com (Alan Young) Date: Fri Jul 10 11:09:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: PerlFu needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 13:26, Steven Morrey wrote: > I have 2 arrays, @keys and @vals I need to turn them into an associative > array %array (hopefully without iterating the entire way down) but I can't > seem to track this information down. If they are the same length: my %hash; @hash{ @keys } = @vals; -- Alan From u235sentinel at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 11:28:27 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Fri Jul 10 11:28:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Recommendation for a good log analyser In-Reply-To: <20090710154030.GC12428@gemini.doesntexist.org> References: <20090710032042.GA12428@gemini.doesntexist.org> <429579db0907092105r6de5cf62lf41dce2df91dcd18@mail.gmail.com> <20090710154030.GC12428@gemini.doesntexist.org> Message-ID: <4A577A3B.6020008@gmail.com> Erik Falor wrote: > > > I've checked out, and am liking it so far. Thanks! > > something we're using at work is a tool called Sensage. It's a bit pricey but with the power of perl and sql you can do some amazing things with it. I've built a cluster of systems with it. We have several poweredge servers with 8 TB disks running linux. With their compression enabled we are looking at around 150-200 TB of usable disk space. And the speed at which they crank through logs is unreal! From nathan.peel at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 15:35:01 2009 From: nathan.peel at gmail.com (Nathan Peel) Date: Fri Jul 10 15:35:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: mythtv vs. comcast In-Reply-To: <4A4F7CE8.7090605@xmission.com> References: <200903081900.n28J05n5012726@sllug.org> <49B53A69.8090903@iomega.com> <49B54BEE.2020805@azza.com> <90cf3c3d0903091023t164f9a51m57777e9bf27335cd@mail.gmail.com> <6eed9f340f42b31b135992e8f7045a82.squirrel@jeremyshop.com> <49B574ED.3080208@azza.com> <148f6bb30903091317j59e4283ei26776b3b7050f9f7@mail.gmail.com> <49F7C625.9030007@xmission.com> <148f6bb30904290630v2edd8d51pbb48f4abebede17d@mail.gmail.com> <4A4F7CE8.7090605@xmission.com> Message-ID: <5a7d87a70907101435n3adbb40do1cfc740a91cf4a50@mail.gmail.com> Brad I just made it through this thread. I had a myth setup using the hd3000 and I experienced stuttering quite frequently. Part of the problem with that card from what I understand is that the shielding isn't good enough to get QAM. I could only get the card to work with OTA reception, and every once in a while with QAM. On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Brad Midgley wrote: > Matt > > With two completely different mythtv front end machines, I was getting >> unacceptable flicker (one flicker about every 3 seconds) when using >> xvmc. It only happens on some streams. Both machines were displaying on >> the same 1360x768 tv. >> >> For now I've disabled xvmc and upgraded to a machine with pci-e so the >> computer can keep up without xvmc. >> > > Would you mind posting what kind of video card you are running? I have >> always gone with cheap nvidia cards, and have always wondered if a better >> one would help. >> > > I was cleaning up and found this old message. Sorry, didn't mean for it to > drop! > > One of the cards is pci (6200 iirc) and the pci-e card is an e-GeForce 7200 > GS. Both of them flicker badly while showing some (but not all) videos using > xvmc. I guess now that I don't use mpeg2 I could be transcoding everything. > There's an upside. > > One fun thing I did with this new machine was attach another monitor and > usb keyboard with the idea of making it multiseat. Proper multiseat wouldn't > work, but I was able to have one instance of X driving both video cards. I > control mythtv with the remote and the kids can use mouse/keyboard with apps > displaying on the other monitor. Audio was a mess until I added a cheap usb > adapter* and made pulseaudio route flash sound to it instead of the main > sound card. > > It would be great to have just one main machine that can be on all the time > that does everything. I'll probably give multiseat another try later (that > why I bought a machine with the onboard video and three pci-e x8/x16 slots) > > Back to the main topic, it was a great move to switch to basic cable with > only hd that is usable by mythtv. I'm never going to pay comcast again for > (encrypted) hd that I can't use however I want to. > > * http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5831 > > > Brad > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090710/2c92db17/attachment.htm From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 18:02:50 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Fri Jul 10 18:02:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <4A56BBDA.6070800@aragog.com> References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> <4A5628D6.9000204@azza.com> <4A56BBDA.6070800@aragog.com> Message-ID: haha, cool, i'm not the only one cursed with double-sends! On 7/9/09, Pavel Koshevoy wrote: > My appologies for the inconvenience, however my primary contact on > linked-in is pkoshevoy@gmail.com. I just checked under my account > settings on linked-in and for some reason it listed 2 more e-mail > address under account settings -- qt-interest@trolltech.com and > sllug-members@sllug.org. Both were marked confirmed. I did not put > those there myself (at least not knowingly), and I have no idea how they > got there. I've removed both of the mailing list addresses just now. > > Pavel. > > Jarom Hatch wrote: >> The problem seems to be that Pavel Koshevoy has used the email address >> sllug-members@sllug.org as his contact email on Linkedin, so >> notifications meant for him are being sent to the list. He likely needs >> to change it. >> >> His linkedin profile page is: >> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pavel-koshevoy/6/16/657 >> >> Jarom >> >> Adam Barrett wrote: >> >>> Doesn't >>> >>> Account & Settings -> Receiving Messages -> set all to "No Email" >>> >>> do the trick? >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving linkedin >>>> invitation requests? >>>> I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> don't send this to mailing lists >>>>> >>>>> On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> LinkedIn >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection >>>>>> on >>>>>> LinkedIn: >>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Pavel, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Robert >>>>>> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From pavel at aragog.com Fri Jul 10 20:17:02 2009 From: pavel at aragog.com (Pavel Koshevoy) Date: Fri Jul 10 20:17:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> <4A5628D6.9000204@azza.com> <4A56BBDA.6070800@aragog.com> Message-ID: <4A57F61E.3080909@aragog.com> The reason for the double send was because the first message was held up due to being sent from a non-subscribed address. I've gone through my subscription settings and updated it to match my new address, then re-sent the message. The second message got through first. Once the address was updated the first message went through as well. Also, I recall that I've gone through some misleading "wizard" on linked-in that asked me about were I can be reached. I suppose that is when I've listed the mailing lists I am subscribed to. I don't know how those mail addresses got "confirmed" though. I suspect linked-in considered the address "confirmed" if the confirmation mail didn't bounce back as undeliverable. I apologize again for the linked-in spam, and the double post. Pavel. Christian Horne wrote: > haha, cool, i'm not the only one cursed with double-sends! > > On 7/9/09, Pavel Koshevoy wrote: >> My appologies for the inconvenience, however my primary contact on >> linked-in is pkoshevoy@gmail.com. I just checked under my account >> settings on linked-in and for some reason it listed 2 more e-mail >> address under account settings -- qt-interest@trolltech.com and >> sllug-members@sllug.org. Both were marked confirmed. I did not put >> those there myself (at least not knowingly), and I have no idea how they >> got there. I've removed both of the mailing list addresses just now. >> >> Pavel. >> >> Jarom Hatch wrote: >>> The problem seems to be that Pavel Koshevoy has used the email address >>> sllug-members@sllug.org as his contact email on Linkedin, so >>> notifications meant for him are being sent to the list. He likely needs >>> to change it. >>> >>> His linkedin profile page is: >>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pavel-koshevoy/6/16/657 >>> >>> Jarom >>> >>> Adam Barrett wrote: >>> >>>> Doesn't >>>> >>>> Account & Settings -> Receiving Messages -> set all to "No Email" >>>> >>>> do the trick? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving linkedin >>>>> invitation requests? >>>>> I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> don't send this to mailing lists >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> LinkedIn >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a connection >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> LinkedIn: >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pavel, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Robert >>>>>>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > From sdmorrey at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 21:22:22 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (S. Dale Morrey) Date: Fri Jul 10 21:22:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <4A57F61E.3080909@aragog.com> References: <1587742873.8404487.1247092089070.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> <6902ba8e0907091021y572aaf8fx8fc231f07e0ef8fa@mail.gmail.com> <4A5628D6.9000204@azza.com> <4A56BBDA.6070800@aragog.com> <4A57F61E.3080909@aragog.com> Message-ID: I'll bet if we check the archives we'll see a confirmation sent. Probably somebody didn't notice (or was signing up for linkedin at the same time), and then clicked the link in the email :D On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Pavel Koshevoy wrote: > The reason for the double send was because the first message was held up > due to > being sent from a non-subscribed address. I've gone through my > subscription > settings and updated it to match my new address, then re-sent the message. > The > second message got through first. Once the address was updated the first > message went through as well. > > Also, I recall that I've gone through some misleading "wizard" on linked-in > that > asked me about were I can be reached. I suppose that is when I've listed > the > mailing lists I am subscribed to. I don't know how those mail addresses > got > "confirmed" though. I suspect linked-in considered the address "confirmed" > if > the confirmation mail didn't bounce back as undeliverable. > > I apologize again for the linked-in spam, and the double post. > > Pavel. > > Christian Horne wrote: > > haha, cool, i'm not the only one cursed with double-sends! > > > > On 7/9/09, Pavel Koshevoy wrote: > >> My appologies for the inconvenience, however my primary contact on > >> linked-in is pkoshevoy@gmail.com. I just checked under my account > >> settings on linked-in and for some reason it listed 2 more e-mail > >> address under account settings -- qt-interest@trolltech.com and > >> sllug-members@sllug.org. Both were marked confirmed. I did not put > >> those there myself (at least not knowingly), and I have no idea how they > >> got there. I've removed both of the mailing list addresses just now. > >> > >> Pavel. > >> > >> Jarom Hatch wrote: > >>> The problem seems to be that Pavel Koshevoy has used the email address > >>> sllug-members@sllug.org as his contact email on Linkedin, so > >>> notifications meant for him are being sent to the list. He likely > needs > >>> to change it. > >>> > >>> His linkedin profile page is: > >>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pavel-koshevoy/6/16/657 > >>> > >>> Jarom > >>> > >>> Adam Barrett wrote: > >>> > >>>> Doesn't > >>>> > >>>> Account & Settings -> Receiving Messages -> set all to "No Email" > >>>> > >>>> do the trick? > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Has anyone noticed that there is no way to opt out of receiving > linkedin > >>>>> invitation requests? > >>>>> I'm pretty sure thats a violation of the CAN-SPAM act isn't it? > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Christian Horne > >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> don't send this to mailing lists > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 7/8/09, Robert Merrill at gmail dot com > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> LinkedIn > >>>>>>> ------------ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Robert Merrill at gmail dot com requested to add you as a > connection > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>> LinkedIn: > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Pavel, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Robert > >>>>>>> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090710/b9413343/attachment-0001.html From dave at thesmithfam.org Sat Jul 11 01:03:48 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Sat Jul 11 01:03:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington Message-ID: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> This is off topic, but I can't think of a better group to answer this question. I have long admired from a distance the observatories atop the mountains east of Farmington and Lagoon. Does anyone know if they have a name, and if they offer tours? Google doesn't seem to know about them, or perhaps I don't know how to Google. Thanks! --Dave From twitchej at xmission.com Sat Jul 11 05:12:39 2009 From: twitchej at xmission.com (twitchej@xmission.com) Date: Sat Jul 11 05:12:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <20090711051239.t9ooyrs1s4s4ks8c@webmail.xmission.com> Quoting Dave Smith : > This is off topic, but I can't think of a better group to answer this > question. I have long admired from a distance the observatories atop > the mountains east of Farmington and Lagoon. Does anyone know if they > have a name, and if they offer tours? Google doesn't seem to know about > them, or perhaps I don't know how to Google. > > Thanks! > > --Dave If I remember correctly those domes are actually part of a radar station that belongs to the FAA. John From vi at dubbayou.com Sat Jul 11 09:28:31 2009 From: vi at dubbayou.com (Richard Nadeau) Date: Sat Jul 11 09:29:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <20090711051239.t9ooyrs1s4s4ks8c@webmail.xmission.com> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> <20090711051239.t9ooyrs1s4s4ks8c@webmail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <1247326111.14800.1.camel@strouthos> John, On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 05:12 -0600, twitchej@xmission.com wrote: > Quoting Dave Smith : > > > This is off topic, but I can't think of a better group to answer this > > question. I have long admired from a distance the observatories atop > > the mountains east of Farmington and Lagoon. Does anyone know if they > > have a name, and if they offer tours? Google doesn't seem to know about > > them, or perhaps I don't know how to Google. > > > > Thanks! > > > > --Dave > > If I remember correctly those domes are actually part of a radar > station that belongs to the FAA. You are correct; I have a friend who works for the FAA. Regards, Rick From dave at thesmithfam.org Sat Jul 11 15:01:22 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Sat Jul 11 15:01:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Free Pentium 3 Computer Message-ID: A neighbor was throwing away a Pentium 3 computer with keyboard and speakers, so I offered to take it. It's yours if you want it. I have no idea about the specs or the working order. Come get it in South Jordan (Daybreak). --Dave From dave at thesmithfam.org Sat Jul 11 15:03:49 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Sat Jul 11 15:03:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <20090711051239.t9ooyrs1s4s4ks8c@webmail.xmission.com> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> <20090711051239.t9ooyrs1s4s4ks8c@webmail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <395E4A22-45B2-4700-BBBE-738CC973CEED@thesmithfam.org> On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:12 AM, twitchej@xmission.com wrote: > If I remember correctly those domes are actually part of a radar > station that belongs to the FAA. Dang. I was really hoping they were observatories. Radar domes are way less geeky. --Dave From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 02:35:09 2009 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Mon Jul 13 02:35:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question Message-ID: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> I decided to tackle the DSL problem I'm having this weekend. For some background, I had 1.5Mbps service for about 5 years. At least a few times a week the connection would drop down to 300K. Resetting the modem would restore full speed, at least until the next time it dropped. QWest insisted that it was a house wiring problem. Recently, I upgraded to 7Mbps service. When the service was first set up, I was getting 2.7Mbps that would drop down to 300K within 24 hours. Quest again insisted it was the house wiring. So I decided to see what I could do to solve the problem. I had some long phone cords. One is a newer cord with a single pair of 24 gauge lines. I coupled this to an older cord with two pair of lines. The wire in the older cord is thicker than the newer cord. I ran this from the outside box, through a window, to the modem. The connection speed varies between 4 and 5Mbps with this setup. Right now it is sitting at 4608Kbps. Ok, so there are some house wiring problems. I had some extra cat5e left over from wiring the home network. I ran that from the box, though a hole left over from an old cable installation, and into the modem. However, I'm only getting 3776Kbps with that setup. Thinking that maybe something was wrong with the cat5, I ran another phone cord (newer type, 1 pair, 24 gauge) along the same path as the cat5. I was still getting 3776Kbps. Not understanding this, I ran the original setup (newer cord coupled to older cord) along the same path. It's getting 4608Kbps right now. So, now my question... Both the newer phone cord and the cat5e are 24 gauge. Do I need a heaver gauge pair for this setup? I went to Home Depot. All they had was 24 gauge cat3. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks, Christopher Hogan From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 04:07:11 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Mon Jul 13 04:07:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247479631.11420.34.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> The bigger the wire, the less the resistance. less resistance means more power to the device attached to the cable. in any electrical environment, larger gauge means less voltage loss at the other end of the cable. doubling the wires is effectively reducing the resistance in the system, thus increasing the signal at the end of the cable. that is why car battery cables are huge. house wiring is required to have 14 gauge or larger wire for a 20 amp circuit. 12 gauge is required for 30 amps. smaller wire gauge means larger wire diameter, thus more surface area to carry more amperage. in this case bigger is better tho there is a point at which an increase in wire gauge is no longer profitable. ie, you don't need 14 gauge wire for this application. larger than 24 gauge is however better for longer runs. jack On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 02:35 -0600, Christopher Hogan wrote: > I decided to tackle the DSL problem I'm having this weekend. For some > background, I had 1.5Mbps service for about 5 years. At least a few > times a week the connection would drop down to 300K. Resetting the > modem would restore full speed, at least until the next time it > dropped. QWest insisted that it was a house wiring problem. > > Recently, I upgraded to 7Mbps service. When the service was first set > up, I was getting 2.7Mbps that would drop down to 300K within 24 > hours. Quest again insisted it was the house wiring. So I decided to > see what I could do to solve the problem. > > I had some long phone cords. One is a newer cord with a single pair of > 24 gauge lines. I coupled this to an older cord with two pair of > lines. The wire in the older cord is thicker than the newer cord. I > ran this from the outside box, through a window, to the modem. The > connection speed varies between 4 and 5Mbps with this setup. Right now > it is sitting at 4608Kbps. > > Ok, so there are some house wiring problems. I had some extra cat5e > left over from wiring the home network. I ran that from the box, > though a hole left over from an old cable installation, and into the > modem. However, I'm only getting 3776Kbps with that setup. > > Thinking that maybe something was wrong with the cat5, I ran another > phone cord (newer type, 1 pair, 24 gauge) along the same path as the > cat5. I was still getting 3776Kbps. Not understanding this, I ran the > original setup (newer cord coupled to older cord) along the same path. > It's getting 4608Kbps right now. > > So, now my question... > > Both the newer phone cord and the cat5e are 24 gauge. Do I need a > heaver gauge pair for this setup? I went to Home Depot. All they had > was 24 gauge cat3. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Christopher Hogan > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090713/0325f071/attachment.html From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 05:00:09 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Mon Jul 13 05:00:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> Is there a way you can take a laptop and equipment outside, so you're only using a short length of telephone wire to go from the phone box to the modem? The problem is, telephone wires aren't shielded at all, so any interference can cause the signal quality to degrade. I know that when I got Qwest service, they gave me a short length (~10m) of telephone cable and told me that I was 'only' supposed to use this amount to go from the phone outlet to the modem. Another question - are you using filters on all the phones connected to your phone line? This is a must - not using this on one phone can degrade the signal quality. If you are using filters, and only using a short length of telephone wire out of the Qwest box to test, its obviously not your problem, and you need to call Qwest. Mike Heath On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Christopher Hogan wrote: > I decided to tackle the DSL problem I'm having this weekend. For some > background, I had 1.5Mbps service for about 5 years. At least a few > times a week the connection would drop down to 300K. Resetting the > modem would restore full speed, at least until the next time it > dropped. QWest insisted that it was a house wiring problem. > > Recently, I upgraded to 7Mbps service. When the service was first set > up, I was getting 2.7Mbps that would drop down to 300K within 24 > hours. Quest again insisted it was the house wiring. So I decided to > see what I could do to solve the problem. > > I had some long phone cords. One is a newer cord with a single pair of > 24 gauge lines. I coupled this to an older cord with two pair of > lines. The wire in the older cord is thicker than the newer cord. I > ran this from the outside box, through a window, to the modem. The > connection speed varies between 4 and 5Mbps with this setup. Right now > it is sitting at 4608Kbps. > > Ok, so there are some house wiring problems. I had some extra cat5e > left over from wiring the home network. I ran that from the box, > though a hole left over from an old cable installation, and into the > modem. However, I'm only getting 3776Kbps with that setup. > > Thinking that maybe something was wrong with the cat5, I ran another > phone cord (newer type, 1 pair, 24 gauge) along the same path as the > cat5. I was still getting 3776Kbps. Not understanding this, I ran the > original setup (newer cord coupled to older cord) along the same path. > It's getting 4608Kbps right now. > > So, now my question... > > Both the newer phone cord and the cat5e are 24 gauge. Do I need a > heaver gauge pair for this setup? I went to Home Depot. All they had > was 24 gauge cat3. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Christopher Hogan > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 05:44:56 2009 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Mon Jul 13 05:45:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6977f2fc0907130444s3f4da44ao5c6509eb94497dd4@mail.gmail.com> >in this case bigger is better tho there is a point at which an increase >in wire gauge is no longer profitable. ie, you don't need 14 gauge wire >for this application. larger than 24 gauge is however better for longer runs. I'm not sure what a long run is in this application. It's about 30 feet from the modem to the outside box. Since the cat5e has four pairs and standard phone only uses two pairs (It only uses 1 pair, but there are always connections for 2), would doubling up the pairs help? > Is there a way you can take a laptop and equipment outside, so you're > only using a short length of telephone wire to go from the phone box > to the modem? I'll run an extension cord (power) out to the outside box and test the speed when I get off work. > Another question - are you using filters on all the phones connected > to your phone line? This is a must - not using this on one phone can > degrade the signal quality. I disconnected the inside wiring when I ran the new line. So there are no filters, phones, or jacks. It's a straight run to the outside box. Thanks for the help! Chris From tvanry at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 08:16:40 2009 From: tvanry at gmail.com (Thad Van Ry) Date: Mon Jul 13 08:16:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <395E4A22-45B2-4700-BBBE-738CC973CEED@thesmithfam.org> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> <20090711051239.t9ooyrs1s4s4ks8c@webmail.xmission.com> <395E4A22-45B2-4700-BBBE-738CC973CEED@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <38fc83270907130716r6cce325dub24da68991d58c1a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote: > > On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:12 AM, twitchej@xmission.com wrote: >> >> If I remember correctly those domes are actually part of a radar station that belongs to the FAA. > > Dang. I was really hoping they were observatories. Radar domes are way less geeky. Just in case anyone is interested, the peak?that the domes sit on is called Francis Peak. It is possible to drive (in a 4x4) to the peak. Thad From jakea at xmission.com Mon Jul 13 09:17:41 2009 From: jakea at xmission.com (Jacob Albretsen) Date: Mon Jul 13 09:17:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <200907130917.41837.jakea@xmission.com> On Saturday 11 July 2009, Dave Smith wrote: > This is off topic, but I can't think of a better group to answer this > question. I have long admired from a distance the observatories atop the > mountains east of Farmington and Lagoon. Does anyone know if they have a > name, and if they offer tours? Google doesn't seem to know about them, > or perhaps I don't know how to Google. Those are not observatories. Those are radio towers. I've been up there before, not that exciting. Although the view is great. BYU has an observatory on West Mountain west of Utah Lake, but they do not give tours. http://wmo.byu.edu/ The planetarium at BYU does tours of the observatory on campus: http://planetarium.byu.edu/ Weber state has a fair amount of telescopes they use for public shows: http://community.weber.edu/planetarium/ The University of Utah has a dome on campus, but I'm not sure what they do with it, if anything. They are also currently funding a telescope that is being built southern utah-ish. I don't know too many details on that, but I'm told it is supposed to be automated and will focus on IR observations. -- Jacob Albretsen jakea@xmission.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090713/8bfe6e67/attachment.htm From sdmorrey at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 09:29:03 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (S. Dale Morrey) Date: Mon Jul 13 09:29:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc0907130444s3f4da44ao5c6509eb94497dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc0907130444s3f4da44ao5c6509eb94497dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The one thing I'm surprised no one has mentioned is the composition of the wires. In addition to wire diameter, wire composition is HUGE in determining how good your connection speed is. Make sure to buy some very large, PURE copper wire. Make sure connections are clean and tight when made and then seal the connection in something like silicone to prevent corrosion. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Christopher Hogan wrote: > >in this case bigger is better tho there is a point at which an increase > >in wire gauge is no longer profitable. ie, you don't need 14 gauge wire > >for this application. larger than 24 gauge is however better for longer > runs. > > I'm not sure what a long run is in this application. It's about 30 > feet from the modem to the outside box. Since the cat5e has four pairs > and standard phone only uses two pairs (It only uses 1 pair, but there > are always connections for 2), would doubling up the pairs help? > > > Is there a way you can take a laptop and equipment outside, so you're > > only using a short length of telephone wire to go from the phone box > > to the modem? > > I'll run an extension cord (power) out to the outside box and test the > speed when I get off work. > > > Another question - are you using filters on all the phones connected > > to your phone line? This is a must - not using this on one phone can > > degrade the signal quality. > > I disconnected the inside wiring when I ran the new line. So there are > no filters, phones, or jacks. It's a straight run to the outside box. > > Thanks for the help! > > Chris > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090713/a02386ce/attachment.html From aaron at throckmortons.com Mon Jul 13 11:35:41 2009 From: aaron at throckmortons.com (Aaron Throckmorton) Date: Mon Jul 13 12:08:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <200907130917.41837.jakea@xmission.com> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> <200907130917.41837.jakea@xmission.com> Message-ID: <7446bf70907131035v6ceec3daq8c216c2e2af11f65@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Jacob Albretsen wrote: > On Saturday 11 July 2009, Dave Smith wrote: >> This is off topic, but I can't think of a better group to answer this >> question. I have long admired from a distance the observatories atop the >> mountains east of Farmington and Lagoon. Does anyone know if they have a >> name, and if they offer tours? Google doesn't seem to know about them, >> or perhaps I don't know how to Google. > > Those are not observatories. Those are radio towers. I've been up there > before, not that exciting. Although the view is great. > There is an observatory in Stansbury Park. It's owned by the Salt Lake Astronomical Society (http://slas.us/). It's open to the public. Additionally, There are no street lights in Stansbury Park specifically for the observatory - so there is much less wash. Aaron Throckmorton From waoki at waoki.org Mon Jul 13 12:38:43 2009 From: waoki at waoki.org (Will Aoki) Date: Mon Jul 13 12:38:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <200907130917.41837.jakea@xmission.com> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> <200907130917.41837.jakea@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20090713183843.GB15866@waoki.org> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 09:17:41AM -0600, Jacob Albretsen wrote: > The University of Utah has a dome on campus, but I'm not sure what they do > with it, if anything. The observatory on the South Physics building is open to the public every Wednesday night: -- William Aoki waoki@waoki.org KD7YAF From travis.fisher at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 16:15:07 2009 From: travis.fisher at gmail.com (Travis & Melody Fisher) Date: Mon Jul 13 16:20:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc0907130444s3f4da44ao5c6509eb94497dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ea2aae70907131515n3b710bb8ha9b67c4c446b85d@mail.gmail.com> I had this same problem. I had to reboot my router more & more often. Finally it was stuck at 384K when I was paying for 1.5Mb. They tried dropping my connection down to 768K. That made it a bit more stable but it was slow.... The Qwest technician said that they were having more & more problems with DSL users on the copper lines as they added more people to the faster fiber optic lines. I don't know why that would be the case but we tried it out. In order to do that we had to drop Xmission. Qwest offered us 2 months free so we switched. It did fix the problem but Qwest didn't follow through with the 2 months free so we left and are now using Comcast (just as bad, I know....). I think Qwest owns the newer fiber lines outright and are not required to share those lines with other ISPs like Xmisssion. I can see them eventually shutting down the copper lines and locking the other ISPs out of that market. That's just one more reason to push for Utopia. Travis On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > The one thing I'm surprised no one has mentioned is the composition of the > wires. > In addition to wire diameter, wire composition is HUGE in determining how > good your connection speed is. > Make sure to buy some very large, PURE copper wire. Make sure connections > are clean and tight when made and then seal the connection in something like > silicone to prevent corrosion. > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Christopher Hogan < > chris.c.hogan@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >in this case bigger is better tho there is a point at which an increase >> >in wire gauge is no longer profitable. ie, you don't need 14 gauge wire >> >for this application. larger than 24 gauge is however better for longer >> runs. >> >> I'm not sure what a long run is in this application. It's about 30 >> feet from the modem to the outside box. Since the cat5e has four pairs >> and standard phone only uses two pairs (It only uses 1 pair, but there >> are always connections for 2), would doubling up the pairs help? >> >> > Is there a way you can take a laptop and equipment outside, so you're >> > only using a short length of telephone wire to go from the phone box >> > to the modem? >> >> I'll run an extension cord (power) out to the outside box and test the >> speed when I get off work. >> >> > Another question - are you using filters on all the phones connected >> > to your phone line? This is a must - not using this on one phone can >> > degrade the signal quality. >> >> I disconnected the inside wiring when I ran the new line. So there are >> no filters, phones, or jacks. 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090713/c651224f/attachment.htm From mark.k.spute at L-3com.com Mon Jul 13 16:50:29 2009 From: mark.k.spute at L-3com.com (mark.k.spute@L-3com.com) Date: Mon Jul 13 16:50:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: wireless card question Message-ID: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C99@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> I have an ancient Actiontec 1520 DSL router. (yeah. I know.) I want to add wireless access to it. There is a PCMCIA card slot in the side for this purpose. All the references I can find on the net say that it requires a proprietary card (no longer made?) Does anyone know if this is true? If it is not, can someone recommend a good PCMCIA wireless card with an antenna connector on it? (I.e. I want a card that I can connect a cable to and run it through a LNA to a high gain antenna.) Thanks Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090713/bc967885/attachment.html From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 17:02:18 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Jul 13 17:02:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: <5ea2aae70907131515n3b710bb8ha9b67c4c446b85d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc0907130444s3f4da44ao5c6509eb94497dd4@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70907131515n3b710bb8ha9b67c4c446b85d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390907131602te660268x9445fa7cdb4b0f5@mail.gmail.com> The biggest difference between telephone and ethernet is not the diameter or composition, although in some cases it may be (when comparing extremes of quality, for example). Ethernet is generally unshielded twisted pair, which means that inductance (the resistance to changes in current) is lessened and interference is somewhat lessened as well. You're dealing with AC, not DC, and a very specific type of AC. Phone cable is neither shielded nor twisted, which means it's very susceptible to both interference and inductance problems. The only advantage to using cat3 is that's it's easy to make and it's cheap. With higher grade cat5, you get more twists, better composition, and shielding. You'll notice, for example, that many homes are now built or updated with cat5 (and occasionally with cat5e) as a telephone medium and that's for a variety of reasons (sound quality, proliferation of DSL, and later (possible) conversion to 100% digital, just to name a few). Anyway, Apple, as an example, did use telephone cable as a networking medium back in the Apple Classic days, but because of the limitations of cat3, that didn't last long. 56k is about the max for sound modems without special termination, which brings us to DSL. DSL gets the advantage of well maintained, terminated, modern infrastructure. If you take out the quality of cable, the terminations (phone filters in your house), or good technicians, you get a crappy signal. Of course, this is extremely over simplified and I didn't look anything up. If you want the sophisticated stuff, go to wikipedia. From millard at iomega.com Mon Jul 13 17:03:56 2009 From: millard at iomega.com (Dennis Millard) Date: Mon Jul 13 17:53:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <4A5BBD5C.4040900@iomega.com> Dave Smith wrote: > This is off topic, but I can't think of a better group to answer this > question. I have long admired from a distance the observatories atop the > mountains east of Farmington and Lagoon. Does anyone know if they have a > name, and if they offer tours? Google doesn't seem to know about them, > or perhaps I don't know how to Google. > > Thanks! > > --Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > I guess you could "call" them observatories... however what you are seeing is the main radar dome for the SLC TRACON FAA air traffic control system. This radar system covers an area much larger than just the Salt Lake Vally, it handles air traffic as far away as Idaho and Wyoming. The radar antenna is contained within a white sphere, looks like a giant golf ball. They don't offer tours, as facility access is quite restricted. However, the access road is open and you can drive up to the peak in the summer months when there's not 10 feet of snow covering the road. Its quite a spectacular view from the peak, I highly recommend it. I think it sits roughly 9600 ft ASL. Anyway, just wander around East Farmington until you find the mouth of Farmington canyon. Drive on up, and once you leave the pavement, you will eventually reach a fork in the road with a steel gate that is closed when the road is impassable. Take the left fork, and enjoy the white-knuckle drive to the top. -Dennis Millard From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 15:22:10 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 14 15:22:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Free Pentium 3 Computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: uhm, i think i might want it.... i have this dream to set up an openmosix cluster with a lot of power... does it have working ethernet? On 7/11/09, Dave Smith wrote: > A neighbor was throwing away a Pentium 3 computer with keyboard and > speakers, so I offered to take it. It's yours if you want it. I have > no idea about the specs or the working order. Come get it in South > Jordan (Daybreak). > > --Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 15:23:05 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 14 15:23:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: wireless card question In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C99@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C99@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: just buy a new router! On 7/13/09, mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: > I have an ancient Actiontec 1520 DSL router. (yeah. I know.) > > I want to add wireless access to it. There is a PCMCIA card slot in the > side for this purpose. All the references I can find on the net say > that it requires a proprietary card (no longer made?) > > Does anyone know if this is true? If it is not, can someone recommend > a good PCMCIA wireless card with an antenna connector on it? (I.e. I > want a card that I can connect a cable to and run it through a LNA to a > high gain antenna.) > > Thanks > > Mark > -- the blendmaster From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 15:32:21 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Tue Jul 14 15:32:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: wireless card question In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C99@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C99@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <2e84de770907141432i21921934r82bec9302178df3a@mail.gmail.com> Do you require the DSL bit? If not, I have a standard wireless router I'm trying to sell for $20. throw me a reply (off list, please!) if interested. -- Michael Heath From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 17:11:21 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 14 17:11:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: wireless card question In-Reply-To: <2e84de770907141432i21921934r82bec9302178df3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E801124C99@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <2e84de770907141432i21921934r82bec9302178df3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: even if you do need the dsl part, then you can still just route to a normal AP. On 7/14/09, Michael Heath wrote: > Do you require the DSL bit? If not, I have a standard wireless router > I'm trying to sell for $20. throw me a reply (off list, please!) if > interested. > > -- > Michael Heath > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 19:08:06 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:08:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix Message-ID: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, Was wondering if you could help with something. I have tried Googling this, but keep hitting a brick wall it seems. Most answers mostly apply to Windows, but even then don't really explain how to go about it. What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy settings of Firefox every time it's opened. I was hoping there was a CLI argument when calling the Firefox binary, but it doesn't appear there is. The closest thing I could find it to create a user.js file and map it to the profile, but doesn't really even begin to explain how. Have any of you done something of this sort before? Thanks in advance for the help. :) Justin From kd7nyq at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 19:34:27 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:34:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390907141834g727d5a57t1df402bc1ffaa53a@mail.gmail.com> > What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy > settings of Firefox every time it's opened. > > Have any of you done something of this sort before? I did this a little while ago to quickly set up the proxy settings on firefox at user logon. There is an XML file (I think) in the user home directory (something like ~/.mozilla/config.xml). Most of it is human readable. I used grep and sed to add or remove the line that firefox looked for to use the proxy or not. then just manipulate the proxy settings lines as needed. if you put it all in a bash script, you can even use alias for firefox-bin. i'd have to dig around to find my original script. I don't even know if I have it here (I'm at work). You may have to turn the proxy on and off to see how the config file changes. Good luck! Jackman. From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 19:36:39 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:36:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <614c1080907141836t2dc9eca2m6139200f10b57eb7@mail.gmail.com> You could do something tricky with the userChrome.js extension, but there's a good change you can get by just tweaking some preferences. If you type about:config into your address bar and filter by 'proxy' you can see the settings we're going to change. You will want to set the following values: (example is a localhost proxy on 8080 which proxys all requests) user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp", ""); user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp_port", 0); user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher", ""); user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher_port", 0); user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks", ""); user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks_port", 0); user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl", ""); user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl_port", 0); user_pref("network.proxy.ftp", "localhost"); user_pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); user_pref("network.proxy.gopher", "localhost"); user_pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); user_pref("network.proxy.http", "localhost"); user_pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); user_pref("network.proxy.share_proxy_settings", true); user_pref("network.proxy.socks", "localhost"); user_pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); user_pref("network.proxy.ssl", "localhost"); user_pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); user_pref("network.proxy.type", 1); Just add the code above to your prefs.js when firefox is not running. Make a wrapper script that does something like this: #!/bin/bash cat extra-prefs.js >> ~/.mozilla/profiles/*default/prefs.js firefox #some cool command to delete all the extra proxy settings using sed or something. Hope this helps. --Shane On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff < justinbrinkerhoff@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > > Was wondering if you could help with something. I have tried Googling > this, but keep hitting a brick wall it seems. Most answers mostly > apply to Windows, but even then don't really explain how to go about > it. > > What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy > settings of Firefox every time it's opened. > > I was hoping there was a CLI argument when calling the Firefox binary, > but it doesn't appear there is. > > The closest thing I could find it to create a user.js file and map it > to the profile, but doesn't really even begin to explain how. > > Have any of you done something of this sort before? > > Thanks in advance for the help. :) > > Justin > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090714/6875cb35/attachment.htm From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 19:41:06 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Tue Jul 14 19:41:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix In-Reply-To: <614c1080907141836t2dc9eca2m6139200f10b57eb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141836t2dc9eca2m6139200f10b57eb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <614c1080907141841j26bac26es9d911b0ef225e497@mail.gmail.com> btw, depending on your requirements, tsocks http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/can be a good fit for some people. --Shane On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Ricardo wrote: > You could do something tricky with the userChrome.js extension, but there's > a good change you can get by just tweaking some preferences. > If you type about:config into your address bar and filter by 'proxy' you > can see the settings we're going to change. You will want to set the > following values: > (example is a localhost proxy on 8080 which proxys all requests) > > user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp", ""); > user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp_port", 0); > user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher", ""); > user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher_port", 0); > user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks", ""); > user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks_port", 0); > user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl", ""); > user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl_port", 0); > user_pref("network.proxy.ftp", "localhost"); > user_pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); > user_pref("network.proxy.gopher", "localhost"); > user_pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); > user_pref("network.proxy.http", "localhost"); > user_pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); > user_pref("network.proxy.share_proxy_settings", true); > user_pref("network.proxy.socks", "localhost"); > user_pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); > user_pref("network.proxy.ssl", "localhost"); > user_pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); > user_pref("network.proxy.type", 1); > > > Just add the code above to your prefs.js when firefox is not running. Make > a wrapper script that does something like this: > #!/bin/bash > cat extra-prefs.js >> ~/.mozilla/profiles/*default/prefs.js > firefox > #some cool command to delete all the extra proxy settings using sed or > something. > > > Hope this helps. > --Shane > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff < > justinbrinkerhoff@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> Was wondering if you could help with something. I have tried Googling >> this, but keep hitting a brick wall it seems. Most answers mostly >> apply to Windows, but even then don't really explain how to go about >> it. >> >> What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy >> settings of Firefox every time it's opened. >> >> I was hoping there was a CLI argument when calling the Firefox binary, >> but it doesn't appear there is. >> >> The closest thing I could find it to create a user.js file and map it >> to the profile, but doesn't really even begin to explain how. >> >> Have any of you done something of this sort before? >> >> Thanks in advance for the help. :) >> >> Justin >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090714/843d9f3f/attachment-0001.html From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 20:18:46 2009 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Tue Jul 14 20:18:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: <79c119390907131602te660268x9445fa7cdb4b0f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc0907130444s3f4da44ao5c6509eb94497dd4@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70907131515n3b710bb8ha9b67c4c446b85d@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907131602te660268x9445fa7cdb4b0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6977f2fc0907141918i33962cc8m1275a0b5458a0700@mail.gmail.com> Just goes to show, never make assumptions about cable quality. The difference between 3776Kbps and 4608Kbps wasn't my cat5e, it was the phone cord that came with the modem. Now all I have to do is convince QWest to fix their end to bring it up the rest of the way. > Is there a way you can take a laptop and equipment outside, so you're > only using a short length of telephone wire to go from the phone box > to the modem? I tried this. Using the phone cord that came with the modem gave me 3776Kbps. Knowing this couldn't be right, I tried 5 more phone cords. The 6th phone cord gave me 4999Kbps. Moving the modem back inside, with this same cord and through the cat5, provides 4608Kbps. Much better than a full Mbps drop. Now I just need to see if QWest can get it above 5... Thanks for all the tips and help! Chris From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 21:47:00 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Jul 14 21:47:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix In-Reply-To: <614c1080907141841j26bac26es9d911b0ef225e497@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141836t2dc9eca2m6139200f10b57eb7@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141841j26bac26es9d911b0ef225e497@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0907142047n2bf0b2dcl57060e86dde60435@mail.gmail.com> Awesome, thanks guys! :) Yeah, using SSH Tunneling with dynamic port forwarding as my SOCKS proxy, but don't always want the proxy enabled. I'm trying to write a quick and dirty c++ app that can do it all for me, and call shell scripts. The only problem I'm having, is when you run system() calls, and it executes something in the shell, it still runs within the app itself, so when I call ssh with connection arguments, I am stuck in that ssh session until I close the session, and then the rest of the app can run. I'm just having trouble trying to figure out how to run that independent of the app itself, so it can continue on. Is there such a way to say open an ssh session, but open it in a new Terminal tab, or something of that nature? Always wondered, but never gave it much thought until now.... :P Thanks, Justin On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Ricardo wrote: > btw, depending on your requirements, tsocks http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/ > can be a good fit for some people. > --Shane > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Ricardo wrote: >> >> You could do something tricky with the userChrome.js extension, but >> there's a good change you can get by just tweaking some preferences. >> If you type about:config into your address bar and filter by 'proxy' you >> can see the settings we're going to change. You will want to set the >> following values: >> (example is a localhost proxy on 8080 which proxys all requests) >> >> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp", ""); >> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp_port", 0); >> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher", ""); >> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher_port", 0); >> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks", ""); >> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks_port", 0); >> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl", ""); >> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl_port", 0); >> user_pref("network.proxy.ftp", "localhost"); >> user_pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); >> user_pref("network.proxy.gopher", "localhost"); >> user_pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); >> user_pref("network.proxy.http", "localhost"); >> user_pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); >> user_pref("network.proxy.share_proxy_settings", true); >> user_pref("network.proxy.socks", "localhost"); >> user_pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); >> user_pref("network.proxy.ssl", "localhost"); >> user_pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); >> user_pref("network.proxy.type", 1); >> >> >> Just add the code above to your prefs.js when firefox is not running. Make >> a wrapper script that does something like this: >> #!/bin/bash >> cat extra-prefs.js >> ~/.mozilla/profiles/*default/prefs.js >> firefox >> #some cool command to delete all the extra proxy settings using sed or >> something. >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> --Shane >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff >> wrote: >>> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> Was wondering if you could help with something. I have tried Googling >>> this, but keep hitting a brick wall it seems. Most answers mostly >>> apply to Windows, but even then don't really explain how to go about >>> it. >>> >>> What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy >>> settings of Firefox every time it's opened. >>> >>> I was hoping there was a CLI argument when calling the Firefox binary, >>> but it doesn't appear there is. >>> >>> The closest thing I could find it to create a user.js file and map it >>> to the profile, but doesn't really even begin to explain how. >>> >>> Have any of you done something of this sort before? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for the help. :) >>> >>> Justin >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From matthew at azza.com Tue Jul 14 21:51:43 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Tue Jul 14 21:52:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5D524F.3030106@azza.com> Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Hey guys, > > Was wondering if you could help with something. I have tried Googling > this, but keep hitting a brick wall it seems. Most answers mostly > apply to Windows, but even then don't really explain how to go about > it. > > What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy > settings of Firefox every time it's opened. > > I was hoping there was a CLI argument when calling the Firefox binary, > but it doesn't appear there is. > > The closest thing I could find it to create a user.js file and map it > to the profile, but doesn't really even begin to explain how. > > Have any of you done something of this sort before? > > Thanks in advance for the help. :) > > Justin Not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but I use the FoxyProxy add-on to manage my proxy settings. Kinda nice because I can give it a regex to only forward certain sites, say, anything ending in google.com through the proxy while everything else uses the default connection. It comes in handy when I'm using 'ssh -D', and you can enable/disable any proxy you have stored pretty easily from the status bar icon. Not as neat as a script, but it works for me. YMMV. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Matthew Hatch wrote: > Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Was wondering if you could help with something. I have tried Googling > > this, but keep hitting a brick wall it seems. Most answers mostly > > apply to Windows, but even then don't really explain how to go about > > it. > > > > What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy > > settings of Firefox every time it's opened. > > > > I was hoping there was a CLI argument when calling the Firefox binary, > > but it doesn't appear there is. > > > > The closest thing I could find it to create a user.js file and map it > > to the profile, but doesn't really even begin to explain how. > > > > Have any of you done something of this sort before? > > > > Thanks in advance for the help. :) > > > > Justin > > Not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but I use the > FoxyProxy add-on to manage my proxy settings. Kinda nice because I can > give it a regex to only forward certain sites, say, anything ending in > google.com through the proxy while everything else uses the default > connection. > > It comes in handy when I'm using 'ssh -D', and you can enable/disable > any proxy you have stored pretty easily from the status bar icon. > > Not as neat as a script, but it works for me. YMMV. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090714/b1cfc3fb/attachment.html From ewfalor at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 09:26:52 2009 From: ewfalor at gmail.com (Erik Falor) Date: Wed Jul 15 09:27:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0907142047n2bf0b2dcl57060e86dde60435@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141836t2dc9eca2m6139200f10b57eb7@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141841j26bac26es9d911b0ef225e497@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0907142047n2bf0b2dcl57060e86dde60435@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090715152651.GG1812@gemini.doesntexist.org> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 09:47:00PM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Awesome, thanks guys! :) > > Yeah, using SSH Tunneling with dynamic port forwarding as my SOCKS > proxy, but don't always want the proxy enabled. > > I'm trying to write a quick and dirty c++ app that can do it all for > me, and call shell scripts. The only problem I'm having, is when you > run system() calls, and it executes something in the shell, it still > runs within the app itself, so when I call ssh with connection > arguments, I am stuck in that ssh session until I close the session, > and then the rest of the app can run. > > I'm just having trouble trying to figure out how to run that > independent of the app itself, so it can continue on. Is there such a > way to say open an ssh session, but open it in a new Terminal tab, or > something of that nature? system("command") waits for command to complete before it returns, holding up the rest of your program as you wait for it to finish. Instead of calling system(), do a fork()/exec(). fork() will split your current process into two, and replace the newly created process with whatever you tell exec() to run. Now your C++ app will carry on after that point with ssh running along side it. Read more about it: man 2 fork man 3 exec http://lawlor.cs.uaf.edu/~olawlor/ref/examples/unix/fork_exec.c http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/ipc/fork.html To me, the trickiest part of this is in the exec() call. As you can see from the man page, there are 5 or so variations of exec(), each expecting arguments in a slightly different form. In general, the first argument is usually the full pathname to the executable you want to run, the second argument is the name of the program (again, even though you specified it as part of the first argument), and the following arguments are the arguments to the program. The very last argument needs to be "\0" or NULL. -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org From marc at sllug.org Wed Jul 15 09:42:06 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:02:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting tonight (July 15, 2009), open topics/Q&A or a presentation on a math library and decimal arithmetic Message-ID: <4A5DF8CE.3030605@sllug.org> Hey, everyone Our July SLLUG meeting is tonight. I haven't heard from Nilson Beebe, our presenter but he's been really busy preparing for a mathematics conference. I'm not sure if he'll be there tonight or not but if so, he'll present on a new math library and decimal arithmetic. Otherwise, we'll hear from him another month and have an open, informal discussion on Linux topics and Q&A. So, bring both your questions and your answers to the meeting. Thanks! See you all tonight! I'll have a few books to give away as well. Time/Date: ---------- Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:10pm p.m. Place: ---------- Room 101 or 103 in Lower Warnock Engineering Building -- Marc Christensen http://www.sllug.org From sllug at fungusmovies.com Wed Jul 15 09:21:25 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:19:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0907142047n2bf0b2dcl57060e86dde60435@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141836t2dc9eca2m6139200f10b57eb7@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141841j26bac26es9d911b0ef225e497@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0907142047n2bf0b2dcl57060e86dde60435@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bcade370907150821k4de8b837uf5d7d0b0a7682d8a@mail.gmail.com> The prefs.js method will only work on startup of firefox, not while running. If you are just trying to easily switch between proxy configs, just use the Switch Proxy Add-On https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/125 It lets you setup several proxy profiles, and it's super easy to switch between them. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Awesome, thanks guys! :) > > Yeah, using SSH Tunneling with dynamic port forwarding as my SOCKS > proxy, but don't always want the proxy enabled. > > I'm trying to write a quick and dirty c++ app that can do it all for > me, and call shell scripts. The only problem I'm having, is when you > run system() calls, and it executes something in the shell, it still > runs within the app itself, so when I call ssh with connection > arguments, I am stuck in that ssh session until I close the session, > and then the rest of the app can run. > > I'm just having trouble trying to figure out how to run that > independent of the app itself, so it can continue on. Is there such a > way to say open an ssh session, but open it in a new Terminal tab, or > something of that nature? > > Always wondered, but never gave it much thought until now.... :P > > Thanks, > > Justin > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Ricardo wrote: >> btw, depending on your requirements, tsocks http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/ >> can be a good fit for some people. >> --Shane >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Ricardo wrote: >>> >>> You could do something tricky with the userChrome.js extension, but >>> there's a good change you can get by just tweaking some preferences. >>> If you type about:config into your address bar and filter by 'proxy' you >>> can see the settings we're going to change. You will want to set the >>> following values: >>> (example is a localhost proxy on 8080 which proxys all requests) >>> >>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp", ""); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp_port", 0); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher", ""); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher_port", 0); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks", ""); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks_port", 0); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl", ""); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl_port", 0); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.ftp", "localhost"); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.gopher", "localhost"); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.http", "localhost"); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.share_proxy_settings", true); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.socks", "localhost"); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.ssl", "localhost"); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); >>> user_pref("network.proxy.type", 1); >>> >>> >>> Just add the code above to your prefs.js when firefox is not running. Make >>> a wrapper script that does something like this: >>> #!/bin/bash >>> cat extra-prefs.js >> ~/.mozilla/profiles/*default/prefs.js >>> firefox >>> #some cool command to delete all the extra proxy settings using sed or >>> something. >>> >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> --Shane >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> Was wondering if you could help with something. I have tried Googling >>>> this, but keep hitting a brick wall it seems. Most answers mostly >>>> apply to Windows, but even then don't really explain how to go about >>>> it. >>>> >>>> What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy >>>> settings of Firefox every time it's opened. >>>> >>>> I was hoping there was a CLI argument when calling the Firefox binary, >>>> but it doesn't appear there is. >>>> >>>> The closest thing I could find it to create a user.js file and map it >>>> to the profile, but doesn't really even begin to explain how. >>>> >>>> Have any of you done something of this sort before? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for the help. :) >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From dragen at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 10:58:54 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:59:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Scripting a proxy connection for Firefox startup on *nix In-Reply-To: <8bcade370907150821k4de8b837uf5d7d0b0a7682d8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0907141808u633288actb93deb30f28a9bf@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141836t2dc9eca2m6139200f10b57eb7@mail.gmail.com> <614c1080907141841j26bac26es9d911b0ef225e497@mail.gmail.com> <2f932a4a0907142047n2bf0b2dcl57060e86dde60435@mail.gmail.com> <8bcade370907150821k4de8b837uf5d7d0b0a7682d8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6902ba8e0907150958i10ad0f95q38b8f13eb12b3cae@mail.gmail.com> I use FoxyProxy, it allows multiple proxy setups. I personally have mine setup to send most traffic through my companies proxy, and when things are too restrictive it switches (without any human interaction) to my proxy server. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Lonnie Olson wrote: > The prefs.js method will only work on startup of firefox, not while running. > > If you are just trying to easily switch between proxy configs, just > use the Switch Proxy Add-On > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/125 > > It lets you setup several proxy profiles, and it's super easy to > switch between them. > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Justin > Brinkerhoff wrote: >> Awesome, thanks guys! :) >> >> Yeah, using SSH Tunneling with dynamic port forwarding as my SOCKS >> proxy, but don't always want the proxy enabled. >> >> I'm trying to write a quick and dirty c++ app that can do it all for >> me, and call shell scripts. The only problem I'm having, is when you >> run system() calls, and it executes something in the shell, it still >> runs within the app itself, so when I call ssh with connection >> arguments, I am stuck in that ssh session until I close the session, >> and then the rest of the app can run. >> >> I'm just having trouble trying to figure out how to run that >> independent of the app itself, so it can continue on. Is there such a >> way to say open an ssh session, but open it in a new Terminal tab, or >> something of that nature? >> >> Always wondered, but never gave it much thought until now.... :P >> >> Thanks, >> >> Justin >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Ricardo wrote: >>> btw, depending on your requirements, tsocks http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/ >>> can be a good fit for some people. >>> --Shane >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Ricardo wrote: >>>> >>>> You could do something tricky with the userChrome.js extension, but >>>> there's a good change you can get by just tweaking some preferences. >>>> If you type about:config into your address bar and filter by 'proxy' you >>>> can see the settings we're going to change. You will want to set the >>>> following values: >>>> (example is a localhost proxy on 8080 which proxys all requests) >>>> >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp", ""); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ftp_port", 0); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher", ""); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.gopher_port", 0); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks", ""); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.socks_port", 0); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl", ""); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.backup.ssl_port", 0); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.ftp", "localhost"); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.gopher", "localhost"); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.http", "localhost"); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.share_proxy_settings", true); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.socks", "localhost"); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.ssl", "localhost"); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); >>>> user_pref("network.proxy.type", 1); >>>> >>>> >>>> Just add the code above to your prefs.js when firefox is not running. Make >>>> a wrapper script that does something like this: >>>> #!/bin/bash >>>> cat extra-prefs.js >> ~/.mozilla/profiles/*default/prefs.js >>>> firefox >>>> #some cool command to delete all the extra proxy settings using sed or >>>> something. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> --Shane >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey guys, >>>>> >>>>> Was wondering if you could help with something. I have tried Googling >>>>> this, but keep hitting a brick wall it seems. Most answers mostly >>>>> apply to Windows, but even then don't really explain how to go about >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> What I am after is to write a shell script that will set the proxy >>>>> settings of Firefox every time it's opened. >>>>> >>>>> I was hoping there was a CLI argument when calling the Firefox binary, >>>>> but it doesn't appear there is. >>>>> >>>>> The closest thing I could find it to create a user.js file and map it >>>>> to the profile, but doesn't really even begin to explain how. >>>>> >>>>> Have any of you done something of this sort before? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance for the help. :) >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com From romanovic at romanovic.com Wed Jul 15 19:28:41 2009 From: romanovic at romanovic.com (Romanovic) Date: Wed Jul 15 19:28:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: EEEPC + Ubuntu NBR + media player Message-ID: <4A5E8249.102@romanovic.com> I recently installed Ubuntu on my asus eee 1000h. I like it so far, but haven't had the best luck playing video (was using smplayer under windows before, and it ran smoother). Can anyone suggest alternative media player(s) that might work better on this sort of setup? From dragen at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 19:35:14 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Wed Jul 15 19:35:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: EEEPC + Ubuntu NBR + media player In-Reply-To: <4A5E8249.102@romanovic.com> References: <4A5E8249.102@romanovic.com> Message-ID: <6902ba8e0907151835p6106c6c4tf110d56cc1e1bb8@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps vlc On Jul 15, 2009 7:33 PM, "Romanovic" wrote: I recently installed Ubuntu on my asus eee 1000h. I like it so far, but haven't had the best luck playing video (was using smplayer under windows before, and it ran smoother). Can anyone suggest alternative media player(s) that might work better on this sort of setup? ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090715/24ee2d3e/attachment.htm From dave at thesmithfam.org Wed Jul 15 21:45:35 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Wed Jul 15 21:45:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Free Pentium 3 Computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 7/11/09, Dave Smith wrote: >> A neighbor was throwing away a Pentium 3 computer with keyboard and >> speakers, so I offered to take it. It's yours if you want it. I have >> no idea about the specs or the working order. 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There are a bunch of commands which mimic standard linux commands for example: gvfs-cat smb://some-where/with-a-file.txt > local.txt will grab a copy a remove file to local.txt there is also gvfs-ls, gvfs-mkdir, etc. gvfs can also support more exotic protocols like mtp (media transfer protocol for mp3 players), and various protocols to deal with custom hardware like ipods or cameras. --Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090716/3fac7773/attachment.html From benko.kevin at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 21:17:20 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Thu Jul 16 21:17:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Seen in an email signature Message-ID: <200907162117.30849.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Technically speaking, the BSD and GPL licenses are "End User License Agreements". :) -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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O O O > Technically speaking, the BSD and GPL licenses are distributor agreements (not EULAs), because the end user doesn't have to agree to the license to merely use the software (nothing in either license mentions use, only distribution). Mike _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 04:56:01 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Fri Jul 17 04:56:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Seen in an email signature In-Reply-To: References: <200907162117.30849.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <4A600E18.8030507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e84de770907170356m2f556027q71c052fe027afdb5@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Mike Bourgeous wrote: > Technically speaking, the BSD and GPL licenses are distributor agreements (not EULAs), because the end user doesn't have to agree to the license to merely use the software (nothing in either license mentions use, only distribution). > > Mike Not true. From the GPL V3, Paragraph 2: "All rights granted under this License are granted for the term of copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the stated conditions are met. This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program. The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. This License acknowledges your rights of fair use or other equivalent, as provided by copyright law." "You may make, run and propagate covered works that you do not convey, without conditions so long as your license otherwise remains in force. You may convey covered works to others for the sole purpose of having them make modifications exclusively for you, or provide you with facilities for running those works, provided that you comply with the terms of this License in conveying all material for which you do not control copyright. Those thus making or running the covered works for you must do so exclusively on your behalf, under your direction and control, on terms that prohibit them from making any copies of your copyrighted material outside their relationship with you." "Conveying under any other circumstances is permitted solely under the conditions stated below. Sublicensing is not allowed; section 10 makes it unnecessary." Though, to be fair, it DOES basically say that as long as you're not distributing, you're free to run wthout restriction. Also, from the BSD License's first sentence: "Redistribution AND USE in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:" (Emphasis added). -- Michael Heath From lugs at projektenterprises.com Fri Jul 17 05:36:55 2009 From: lugs at projektenterprises.com (Shawn Thompson) Date: Fri Jul 17 05:36:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <38fc83270907130716r6cce325dub24da68991d58c1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> <20090711051239.t9ooyrs1s4s4ks8c@webmail.xmission.com> <395E4A22-45B2-4700-BBBE-738CC973CEED@thesmithfam.org> <38fc83270907130716r6cce325dub24da68991d58c1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <635e32ff0907170436g337b97b2u3f6fc0a3e02bddab@mail.gmail.com> it is possible to get close to them but cannot get directly next to them anymore only to the final gate during the summer. After 9/11 they started keeping the gate closed though. -Shawn On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Thad Van Ry wrote: > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:12 AM, twitchej@xmission.com wrote: > >> > >> If I remember correctly those domes are actually part of a radar station > that belongs to the FAA. > > > > Dang. I was really hoping they were observatories. Radar domes are way > less geeky. > > Just in case anyone is interested, the peak that the domes sit on is > called Francis Peak. It is possible to drive (in a 4x4) to the peak. > Thad > it is possible to get close to them but cannot get directly next to them anymore only to the final gate during the summer. After 9/11 they started keeping the gate closed though. -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey anyone recommend an 802.11n card that will work with Linux? > > What about loading windows drivers? I've heard about it but never done > it. Anyone done that? > > -- > Marc > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090717/5b399eb7/attachment.html From dan.b.weber at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 09:32:03 2009 From: dan.b.weber at gmail.com (Dan Weber) Date: Fri Jul 17 09:32:06 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: 802.11n card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> References: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> Message-ID: I have ubuntu on a Mac and my airport extreme works great. I don't really know about other cards. As far as the wireless drivers for windows, what you are looking for is called ndiswarpper. I know my old laptop loaded it by default until Ubuntu had a linux specific restricted driver. But then again it was only an 802.11g card. quote: Hey anyone recommend an 802.11n card that will work with Linux? > > What about loading windows drivers? I've heard about it but never done > it. Anyone done that? > > Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090717/ca979465/attachment-0001.htm From marc at sllug.org Fri Jul 17 09:41:51 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Fri Jul 17 09:42:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: 802.11n card for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <4A609BBF.6090506@sllug.org> S. Dale Morrey wrote: > If possible find one with native linux drivers. Take it from me > ndiswrapper is no fun. Thank god it's there it's saved my bacon on more > than one system, but it's quirky and no fun to get going. I'd be more than happy with native Linux drivers for 802.11n. I was just not sure of their state - if any are working and what cards I should look at. > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Marc Christensen > wrote: > > Hey anyone recommend an 802.11n card that will work with Linux? > > What about loading windows drivers? I've heard about it but never done > it. Anyone done that? > From jfolsom at scl.utah.edu Fri Jul 17 10:07:53 2009 From: jfolsom at scl.utah.edu (Jeff Folsom) Date: Fri Jul 17 09:56:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: 802.11n card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> References: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <4A60A1D9.50509@scl.utah.edu> I use an Intel 4965 AGN card, and it works great by default in Ubuntu and Gentoo. (iwlagn module) Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey anyone recommend an 802.11n card that will work with Linux? > > What about loading windows drivers? I've heard about it but never done > it. Anyone done that? > > -- > Marc > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From marc at sllug.org Fri Jul 17 10:35:14 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Fri Jul 17 10:35:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: 802.11n card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <4A60A1D9.50509@scl.utah.edu> References: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> <4A60A1D9.50509@scl.utah.edu> Message-ID: <4A60A842.2030101@sllug.org> Jeff Folsom wrote: > I use an Intel 4965 AGN card, and it works great by default in Ubuntu > and Gentoo. (iwlagn module) Awesome. I'll look into that. Anyone have other suggestions? > Marc Christensen wrote: >> Hey anyone recommend an 802.11n card that will work with Linux? >> >> What about loading windows drivers? I've heard about it but never done >> it. Anyone done that? >> >> -- >> Marc From marc at sllug.org Fri Jul 17 10:45:15 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Fri Jul 17 10:45:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: 802.11n card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <4A60A1D9.50509@scl.utah.edu> References: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> <4A60A1D9.50509@scl.utah.edu> Message-ID: <4A60AA9B.3080204@sllug.org> Jeff Folsom wrote: > I use an Intel 4965 AGN card, and it works great by default in Ubuntu > and Gentoo. (iwlagn module) Hm. All I could find on this card is that it's an embedded card for laptops. I'm looking for something for a desktop with possibly external antenna capability. I need to go through two floors from the basement to the second floor. Anyone have any other suggestions? > Marc Christensen wrote: >> Hey anyone recommend an 802.11n card that will work with Linux? >> >> What about loading windows drivers? I've heard about it but never done >> it. Anyone done that? From marc at sllug.org Fri Jul 17 11:58:37 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Fri Jul 17 11:58:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: 802.11n card for Linux? In-Reply-To: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> References: <4A609749.1050009@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <4A60BBCD.3080600@sllug.org> Marc Christensen wrote: > Hey anyone recommend an 802.11n card that will work with Linux? > > What about loading windows drivers? I've heard about it but never done > it. Anyone done that? > Anyone used one of these LINKSYS WMP300N cards? According to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k/products/external this card has an Atheros chipset and is supported by the ath9k driver. I'd like to hear from anyone who has used it. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124069 -- Marc Christensen http://blog.mecworks.com From beebe at math.utah.edu Mon Jul 20 14:35:09 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Mon Jul 20 14:35:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel Message-ID: This story on Network World today is a surprise: http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/4198632/258472359/61250/0/ Microsoft stuns Linux world, submits source code for kernel The story begins: >> ... >> In an historic move, Microsoft Monday submitted driver source code for >> inclusion in the Linux kernel under a GPLv2 license. The code >> consists of four drivers that are part of a technology called Linux >> Device Driver for Virtualization. The drivers, once added to the Linux >> kernel, will provide the hooks for any distribution of Linux to run on >> Windows Server 2008 and its Hyper-V hypervisor technology. Microsoft >> will provide ongoing maintenance of the code. >> >> Linux backers hailed the submission as validation of the Linux >> development model and the Linux GPLv2 licensing. >> ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:46:51 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Jul 20 14:46:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> > This story on Network World today is a surprise: > > ? ? ? ?http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/4198632/258472359/61250/0/ > ? ? ? ?Microsoft stuns Linux world, submits source code for kernel Even if just a political or marketing move, I still feel good inside. -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From sdmorrey at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:53:47 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (S. Dale Morrey) Date: Mon Jul 20 14:53:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure if the headline should say Microsoft stuns world and contributes code to linux or... Linux stuns world and announces it accepted code from MS into kernel. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > This story on Network World today is a surprise: > > > > http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/4198632/258472359/61250/0/ > > Microsoft stuns Linux world, submits source code for kernel > > Even if just a political or marketing move, I still feel good inside. > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090720/22df6470/attachment.html From thatch45 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:57:36 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Mon Jul 20 14:57:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0907201357y5308b1fcw3eaee934710ab9e1@mail.gmail.com> It is neither political or marketing, it is good business sense. KVM can support virtio devices in windows What it the point of virtualization if the os can only make copies of itself? This move says much more to the fact the Microsoft is accepting that users want to use something other than their products all the time. While I am not fond of microsoft, I can say that they will definitely be contributing to open source over the years, they will have to to maintain a place in the industry. Eventually, as time moves on they will be swayed to change the business model from "my way or the highway" to "we support open standards", they will do this because it is the most lucrative option available. Too often we forget that companies are in business to make money, and a good manager will find the optimal way to do it, the landscape has changed since Bill Gates wrote his "letter to the hobbyist" condemning open source, because open source now makes MONEY. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > > This story on Network World today is a surprise: > > > > http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/4198632/258472359/61250/0/ > > Microsoft stuns Linux world, submits source code for kernel > > Even if just a political or marketing move, I still feel good inside. > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090720/ffdeca9c/attachment.htm From unum at unum5.org Mon Jul 20 15:52:25 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Mon Jul 20 15:52:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A64E719.9090102@unum5.org> On 07/20/2009 02:53 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > I'm not sure if the headline should say Microsoft stuns world and > contributes code to linux or... > Linux stuns world and announces it accepted code from MS into kernel. It should say MS accepts cancer, and is eaten by pacman. Kyle From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 16:36:53 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Jul 20 16:36:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <4A64E719.9090102@unum5.org> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> <4A64E719.9090102@unum5.org> Message-ID: <79c119390907201536x2a7276c6wc124cf7eb67595@mail.gmail.com> Whether we acknowledge it or not, I believe that many of us make/use open source software because we believe that it is the morally correct thing to do. It is my impression that Bill Gates, when he wrote that letter to the hobbyist, he wrote it because he believed that to deny programmers financial gain for their efforts was morally wrong (it's been a while since I read it). Of course, it's up to you to decide whether motivation influences the moral correctness of a decision. Does a person have to buy into open source before he participates before the participation is moral virtuous? Or, in the present example, can it be morally good to participate even if your goal is to make money? This point is reminiscent of one which came up earlier this month: > [MS]EULA: Sharing is evil. > BSD: Sharing is not evil. > GPL: Not sharing is evil. Each of those statements is a moral statement. To which moral theory do you subscribe and how does that affect your choice of software? I am happy because I believe that the morally correct thing (to share openly) is being executed, where doing so was not done previously. -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From thatch45 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 16:58:59 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Mon Jul 20 16:59:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <79c119390907201536x2a7276c6wc124cf7eb67595@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> <4A64E719.9090102@unum5.org> <79c119390907201536x2a7276c6wc124cf7eb67595@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0907201558j7518ae71g9fdf7fd407fe1e2a@mail.gmail.com> I want to say that I am not arguing the fact that it is moraly good for MS to contribute, I think it is wonderful! The point I would like to make is that making morally good decisions is an aspect of a healthy market. It shows that money can be made alongside the goals of freedom, and that stable society benefits from the freely given invention and work of others. I think that this represents an amazing thing! Goodness can equal gain, a concept often considered folly! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090720/3e18219a/attachment-0001.htm From u235sentinel at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 21:20:24 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Jul 20 21:20:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6533F8.8080200@gmail.com> Andrew Jackman wrote: >> This story on Network World today is a surprise: >> >> http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/4198632/258472359/61250/0/ >> Microsoft stuns Linux world, submits source code for kernel >> Dude... seriously? Are we talking about the same Micro$oft? From kenneth at mail1.ttak.org Mon Jul 20 21:35:45 2009 From: kenneth at mail1.ttak.org (Kenneth Burgener) Date: Mon Jul 20 21:35:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <4A6533F8.8080200@gmail.com> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> <4A6533F8.8080200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A653791.50505@mail1.ttak.org> On 7/20/2009 9:20 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > Andrew Jackman wrote: >>> http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/4198632/258472359/61250/0/ >>> Microsoft stuns Linux world, submits source code for kernel > Dude... seriously? > > Are we talking about the same Micro$oft? I wouldn't break out the champagne just quite yet: "The drivers... will provide the hooks for any distribution of Linux to run on Windows Server 2008 and its Hyper-V hypervisor technology." Although I am thankful for the expanding locations to which Linux can run, this is nothing more than Microsoft making their product more universal. It's just good business. Kenneth From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 11:51:51 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Tue Jul 21 11:47:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <4A6533F8.8080200@gmail.com> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> <4A6533F8.8080200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A660037.1040009@gmail.com> u235sentinel wrote: > Are we talking about the same Micro$oft? Do you mean "Microsoft"? -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 606 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090721/bc2e5682/signature.pgp From kwalker at kobran.org Tue Jul 21 12:08:07 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Tue Jul 21 12:09:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Somewhat Off-topic: Hardware Project Message-ID: <1248199687.2789.12.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Greetings fellow SLLUGers, I'm writing because my Google Fu isn't up to the task and I'm not certain I'm even looking in the right areas or if it's even possible to do what I'm contemplating, but here goes... Let's say you have access to a number of broken, discarded, damaged, or otherwise unusable and unwanted cell phones, mainly Blackberry models of various vintages; let's further speculate that for whatever reason you don't want to just chuck these in the garbage; and finally let's speculate that there are several projects that you could think of that could benefit from some of the still-functional parts of these discarded phones (e.g. LCD, speaker, track ball, camera, etc) if they could be made usable. The question is, is it possible (and at what investment in time and material) to salvage usable parts from such devices and make them usable in DIY hardware projects? More info if anyone's interested, just let me know. -KW From kmahan at xmission.com Tue Jul 21 13:22:11 2009 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:22:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Somewhat Off-topic: Hardware Project In-Reply-To: <1248199687.2789.12.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> References: <1248199687.2789.12.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Message-ID: <4A661563.9090209@xmission.com> Knight Walker wrote: > Greetings fellow SLLUGers, > > I'm writing because my Google Fu isn't up to the task and I'm not > certain I'm even looking in the right areas or if it's even possible to > do what I'm contemplating, but here goes... > > Let's say you have access to a number of broken, discarded, damaged, or > otherwise unusable and unwanted cell phones, mainly Blackberry models of > various vintages; let's further speculate that for whatever reason you > don't want to just chuck these in the garbage; and finally let's > speculate that there are several projects that you could think of that > could benefit from some of the still-functional parts of these discarded > phones (e.g. LCD, speaker, track ball, camera, etc) if they could be > made usable. > > The question is, is it possible (and at what investment in time and > material) to salvage usable parts from such devices and make them usable > in DIY hardware projects? > An alternative to throwing them away is to donate them to "Cell Phones for Soldiers". http://www.cellphonesforsoldiers.com/ I got rid of a batch of old phones this way. Amazon included a mailer from this group in some of my book orders. You can go to the site and print off a pre-paid shipping label. It's not the same has salvaging the phones -- I have a stack of project phones myself. But it is an easy way to avoid throwing phones in the trash. I don't have any affiliation with this group -- I learned about it from Amazon, and it seemed better than throwing the phones away. --Kurt From kd7nyq at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 13:23:58 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:24:06 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <4A660037.1040009@gmail.com> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> <4A6533F8.8080200@gmail.com> <4A660037.1040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390907211223r7108da29h6f65e168ff1c0560@mail.gmail.com> >> Are we talking about the same Micro$oft? > > Do you mean "Microsoft"? > Watch out. It could end up MicrOSoft. -- Andrew Jackman kd7nyq@gmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong to us. From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 13:47:29 2009 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Tue Jul 21 13:47:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Somewhat Off-topic: Hardware Project In-Reply-To: <1248199687.2789.12.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> References: <1248199687.2789.12.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Knight Walker wrote: > The question is, is it possible (and at what investment in time and > material) to salvage usable parts from such devices and make them usable > in DIY hardware projects? > I've done a couple of DIY hardware projects. I've ordered hardware from digikey and mouser. I've also had PCB's made by pcbex.com (designed using EAGLE http://cadsoft.de/). It has been my experience that used parts can be very hard to work with. Even when I build with all new parts I still spend hours upon hours reading vendor datasheets to properly understand how to interface various parts. One very hard part about used hardware is finding the correct datasheets and identifying the correct variant that you have. I may be a minority in this, but I find it is always easier to specify and buy what you need than it is to work with what you can find. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090721/f1865fda/attachment.htm From eggyknap at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 14:27:18 2009 From: eggyknap at gmail.com (Joshua Tolley) Date: Tue Jul 21 14:27:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Somewhat Off-topic: Hardware Project In-Reply-To: References: <1248199687.2789.12.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Message-ID: <20090721202718.GE25450@eddie> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 01:47:29PM -0600, Shaun Kruger wrote: > I may be a minority in this, but I find it is always easier to specify and > buy what you need than it is to work with what you can find. I'm not terribly experienced in this, but I agree it's easier to buy than salvage. However, if "easier" were what you were going for, you might not be building whatever it is you're building in the first place. If you're still interested in salvaging pieces, there are a few things to keep in mind, some of which follow: * You have to get the piece detached. Radio Shack has soldering irons, solder wick, and solder suckers, which are supposed to make it so you can do this. In practice it's often not terribly easy to get the components pulled off. Radio Shack's tools are... shall we say, not the best on the market, so perhaps other tools (like a nice hot air solder reworrk station) could make it easier. * The part has to be something you'll have a use for. The more interesting parts on a discarded device are often the various integrated circuits, but often they're custom built for the device in question, and not terribly useful unless you're building something very similar. * The easiest parts to remove are often not worth the trouble. This depends on your definition of what's worth the trouble, obviously, but you can spend three hours detaching LEDs and resistors, or $5 at Radio Shack / Ra-El-Co / etc. buying more than you'll ever need. * Once you get the piece off, its leads are often really short. This applies only to through-hole stuff, but generally the leads are too short to be easily used, once you've detached the component. * You have to figure out what the piece is. Google searches for part numbers are often helpful, or at least they look helpful. Some components take lots of trial and error before you can figure out how to use them. Anyway, there are some interesting projects out there using salvaged parts, esp. it seems old screens from phones. Controller chips for such things are apparently widely available (I've never had a need, so can't speak from any experience here) if you can make sure you know you're getting the right thing. - Josh / eggyknap -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Radio Shack has soldering irons, solder > wick, and solder suckers, which are supposed to make it so you can do this. > In practice it's often not terribly easy to get the components pulled off. > Radio Shack's tools are... shall we say, not the best on the market, so > perhaps other tools (like a nice hot air solder reworrk station) could make it > easier. In this case that's not much of an issue for me. I've taken apart one of the phones and with the exception of the camera, there should be no de-soldering required. The LCD connects with some sort of flat press-fit connector and the trackball is held in place by the case. But unfortunately for me (And here is where my Google Fu failed) I can't figure out what kind of connector or if there's any break-out boards available for it. > * The part has to be something you'll have a use for. The more interesting > parts on a discarded device are often the various integrated circuits, but > often they're custom built for the device in question, and not terribly > useful unless you're building something very similar. That's true, and at least on the newer phones, it's all one integrated circuit board with half the chips under metal covers. Currently I'm after the "low hanging fruit". > * The easiest parts to remove are often not worth the trouble. This depends on > your definition of what's worth the trouble, obviously, but you can spend > three hours detaching LEDs and resistors, or $5 at Radio Shack / Ra-El-Co / > etc. buying more than you'll ever need. In this particular case, I'm mainly interested in the LCDs, though if anything else can be used, I'm not averse. True that they're only about 2.5" 320x240 TFTs, but they're free and if I can find a way to drive them without too much pain and expense, (and especially if multiple screens can be run simultaneously--Not necessarily by the same controller chip, but if multiple controllers can be addressed concurrently by some hardware bus) and at some distance over a few inches, there are several things that can be done with them (i.e. art projects, backup/remote cameras, multi-part digital picture frames, etc). > Anyway, there are some interesting projects out there using salvaged parts, > esp. it seems old screens from phones. Controller chips for such things are > apparently widely available (I've never had a need, so can't speak from any > experience here) if you can make sure you know you're getting the right thing. That's why I'm turning to the collective SLLUG brain-trust, hoping someone out there knows more about this than I do and is willing to impart that knowledge. I realize that this may just be a blue-sky dream and the best thing to do might be to recycle or donate these phones, but the geek in me just doesn't want to junk them without at least exploring other possibilities. -KW From i_am_nitrogen at hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 16:43:00 2009 From: i_am_nitrogen at hotmail.com (Mike Bourgeous) Date: Tue Jul 21 16:43:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Somewhat Off-topic: Hardware Project In-Reply-To: <1248199687.2789.12.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> References: <1248199687.2789.12.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Message-ID: ---------------------------------------- > From: kwalker@kobran.org > To: sllug-members@sllug.org > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:08:07 -0600 > Subject: [sllug-members]: Somewhat Off-topic: Hardware Project > > Greetings fellow SLLUGers, > > I'm writing because my Google Fu isn't up to the task and I'm not > certain I'm even looking in the right areas or if it's even possible to > do what I'm contemplating, but here goes... > > Let's say you have access to a number of broken, discarded, damaged, or > otherwise unusable and unwanted cell phones, mainly Blackberry models of > various vintages; let's further speculate that for whatever reason you > don't want to just chuck these in the garbage; and finally let's > speculate that there are several projects that you could think of that > could benefit from some of the still-functional parts of these discarded > phones (e.g. LCD, speaker, track ball, camera, etc) if they could be > made usable. > > The question is, is it possible (and at what investment in time and > material) to salvage usable parts from such devices and make them usable > in DIY hardware projects? > > More info if anyone's interested, just let me know. > > -KW > The LCDs are probably using either LVDS or a parallel interface. Count the number of pins on the cable and search for something like "n-pin lcd ribbon pinout." The specified number of colors for the screen will also be helpful (i.e. if it says 262,144 colors, then it's probably a 6-bit-per-channel parallel interface, with 18 parallel data lines plus power, ground, and synchronization). However, because of the minimal-cost nature of phones, they may be using a proprietary interface to minimize the interface circuitry required. I also recommend checking out pinouts.ru. For example: http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_6610_lcd_pinout.shtml Mike Bourgeous AudioInterfaceDesign.net _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_MLOGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 17:00:54 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 21 17:01:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! Message-ID: can anyone help this? so i installed debian. it is a pretty cool system, almost everything is PnP kind of easy, except for sound. it's missing the ALSA kernel module for my sound card. so i poked around with my othere system, which is a F11 installation, and found the dir /lib/modules/DONT_REMEMBER_KERNEL_VERSION/kernel/sound/cs43xx/. that is the right dir for my card, and i'm pretty sure that the modules in there are the drivers for my card. that dir is plain missing from debian. so (i don't have internet access at home) i installed alsa-source from the cds. i after a few tries to compile it, i ended up haveing to install the kernel source, compile my own kernel, and build that alsa source on that. so now, i have a second kernel, that doesn't work because i forgot to compile ext3 into it (it's a module), and i cant get mkinitrd or whatever to install, and mkinitramfs is partially broken (needs insane tweaking to make work), and i have the sound drivers for it, but it's still missing my card's driver. any idea why?????????????? my system is: proccessor: P4 1.5ghz sound card: don't remember exactly but it uses the cs43xx driver OS: debian lenny 502 installed with first CD then addon packages were installed from the 1-12 cds, running the default kernel also if anyone knows how to work installing a kernel from source on debian i'd like to know that too. (my idea of what is wrong is that for some reason, this version of alsa doesn't support my card. but that doesn't quite make sense, as it does have a folder in the source called cs43xx, it just doesn't build a KO file for it.) -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 17:01:48 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Tue Jul 21 17:01:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] Microsoft contributes drivers to Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <79c119390907211223r7108da29h6f65e168ff1c0560@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390907201346ke8db4d1rcb8dc6c500613aec@mail.gmail.com> <4A6533F8.8080200@gmail.com> <4A660037.1040009@gmail.com> <79c119390907211223r7108da29h6f65e168ff1c0560@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: remember the microsoft-novell partnership.... On 7/21/09, Andrew Jackman wrote: >>> Are we talking about the same Micro$oft? >> >> Do you mean "Microsoft"? >> > > Watch out. It could end up MicrOSoft. > > -- > Andrew Jackman > kd7nyq@gmail.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message. All your base are belong > to us. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 18:45:24 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Tue Jul 21 18:45:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2e84de770907211745t64fce4b1r58437bbf838274ad@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Christian Horne wrote: > so i poked around with my othere system, which is a F11 installation, > and found the dir > /lib/modules/DONT_REMEMBER_KERNEL_VERSION/kernel/sound/cs43xx/. Can you double check this, please? I poked around a bit and could find hardly any references on the net to a "cs43xx" driver. Searching for that on google returns only a handful of random mentions on forums and mailing lists; I think this is a typo. > so (i don't have internet access at home) i installed alsa-source from the cds. > i after a few tries to compile it, i ended up haveing to install the > kernel source, compile my own kernel, and build that alsa source on > that. According to some Debian documentation I found, there is complete documentation on using the alsa-source package to build drivers, including an automatic tool to do so, in the README.Debian file for that package. However, I really doubt this is going to get you anything that wasn't already included in Debian. > so now, i have a second kernel, that doesn't work because i forgot to > compile ext3 into it (it's a module), and i cant get mkinitrd or > whatever to install, and mkinitramfs is partially broken (needs insane > tweaking to make work), > and i have the sound drivers for it, but it's still missing my card's driver. I don't think this will address your issue at all, but there is a lot of documentation out there for Debian about how to properly built a kernel and associated modules. You need to look into this - there are a lot of automatic and simple to use tools for this process. > (my idea of what is wrong is that for some reason, this version of > alsa doesn't support my card. but that doesn't quite make sense, as it > does have a folder in the source called cs43xx, it just doesn't build > a KO file for it.) Again, there is no cs43xx in ALSA. There is a cs46xx. Did you mean this? -- Michael Heath From beebe at math.utah.edu Tue Jul 21 18:49:36 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Tue Jul 21 18:49:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world Message-ID: Amazingly, they've done it again: Microsoft makes second GPLv2 release in as many days http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5562638/419952/205621/0/ This time, it is a plugin for an open-source course management system, Moodle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhavey at xmission.com Tue Jul 21 19:07:32 2009 From: jhavey at xmission.com (John Havey) Date: Tue Jul 21 19:07:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1248224852.3061.7.camel@play> On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 17:00 -0600, Christian Horne wrote: > so i poked around with my othere system, which is a F11 installation, > and found the dir > /lib/modules/DONT_REMEMBER_KERNEL_VERSION/kernel/sound/cs43xx/. > that is the right dir for my card, and i'm pretty sure that the > modules in there are the drivers for my card. > that dir is plain missing from debian. > My debian lenny has: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/ which contains: snd-cs4231.ko snd-cs4231.lib.ko snd-cs4232.ko snd-cs4236.ko snd-cs4236.lib.ko I installed mine as an upgrade to etch from the Debian mirror at http://mirrors.xmission.com John From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 20:06:31 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Tue Jul 21 20:06:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! In-Reply-To: <1248224852.3061.7.camel@play> References: <1248224852.3061.7.camel@play> Message-ID: <2e84de770907211906p1e28ff55v8335f8077fbbbd01@mail.gmail.com> Ah, the extra x was probably throwing off my searches. I'm still not seeing that driver in the current ALSA source, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. Considering that you do have it, maybe you could see what dpkg it came from (assuming it wasn't dynamically generated) to help out? -- Michael Heath From jhavey at xmission.com Tue Jul 21 20:47:06 2009 From: jhavey at xmission.com (John Havey) Date: Tue Jul 21 20:47:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! In-Reply-To: <2e84de770907211906p1e28ff55v8335f8077fbbbd01@mail.gmail.com> References: <1248224852.3061.7.camel@play> <2e84de770907211906p1e28ff55v8335f8077fbbbd01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1248230826.3872.2.camel@play> Files owned by package linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: ... /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4231-lib.ko /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4231.ko /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236-lib.ko /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko ... John On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 20:06 -0600, Michael Heath wrote: > Ah, the extra x was probably throwing off my searches. > > I'm still not seeing that driver in the current ALSA source, but maybe > I'm looking in the wrong place. > > Considering that you do have it, maybe you could see what dpkg it came > from (assuming it wasn't dynamically generated) to help out? > > -- > Michael Heath > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 14:09:10 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Jul 22 14:09:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime Attendees from May - Asterisk specialists?? Message-ID: So I got this email from Drew Tyler at BetaLoft. He mentioned that a couple fellows had told him they were asterisk experts. I don't recall who that might be. If you know what I am referrring to, please contact me offline. I'll get you in touch with Drew for some fun asterisk work. Cheers, Clint Herlo, ?? I'm looking to setup a PBX running Asterisk here at the loft in the next week or so.. can you connect me with those guys that came to your first meeting here that do that stuff? I think?they?combined to create a company called 'red-phone' or something?like?that. drew ?? ? ? ?-Drew Tyler ??? ?? ? ? Owner, BetaLoft, LLC 357 W 200 S Suite 201 SLC, UT ?www.BetaLoftSLC.com On Jul 2, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Clint Savage wrote: Just checking in and making sure we have the conference room for next Wednesday from 11:30-1pm. How's business by the way? Thanks, Clint From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 17:33:52 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 22 17:34:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! In-Reply-To: <1248230826.3872.2.camel@play> References: <1248224852.3061.7.camel@play> <2e84de770907211906p1e28ff55v8335f8077fbbbd01@mail.gmail.com> <1248230826.3872.2.camel@play> Message-ID: heh, turns out it's cs46xx that it uses. it's still missing, though. and i just checked, the code for cs46xx is definitely in the alsa-source package, it's just not getting compiled for some reason. i was thinking that maybe i should get the latest version of alsa... has no one else had this kind of problem before? On 7/21/09, John Havey wrote: > Files owned by package linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: > ... > /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x > /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4231-lib.ko > /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4231.ko > /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko > /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236-lib.ko > /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko > ... > John > > On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 20:06 -0600, Michael Heath wrote: >> Ah, the extra x was probably throwing off my searches. >> >> I'm still not seeing that driver in the current ALSA source, but maybe >> I'm looking in the wrong place. >> >> Considering that you do have it, maybe you could see what dpkg it came >> from (assuming it wasn't dynamically generated) to help out? >> >> -- >> Michael Heath >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 17:34:37 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 22 17:34:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <1248224852.3061.7.camel@play> <2e84de770907211906p1e28ff55v8335f8077fbbbd01@mail.gmail.com> <1248230826.3872.2.camel@play> Message-ID: oh, it's a pci card, if that helps. On 7/22/09, Christian Horne wrote: > heh, turns out it's cs46xx that it uses. it's still missing, though. > > and i just checked, the code for cs46xx is definitely in the > alsa-source package, it's just not getting compiled for some reason. > > i was thinking that maybe i should get the latest version of alsa... > > has no one else had this kind of problem before? > > On 7/21/09, John Havey wrote: >> Files owned by package linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: >> ... >> /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x >> /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4231-lib.ko >> /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4231.ko >> /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko >> /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236-lib.ko >> /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko >> ... >> John >> >> On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 20:06 -0600, Michael Heath wrote: >>> Ah, the extra x was probably throwing off my searches. >>> >>> I'm still not seeing that driver in the current ALSA source, but maybe >>> I'm looking in the wrong place. >>> >>> Considering that you do have it, maybe you could see what dpkg it came >>> from (assuming it wasn't dynamically generated) to help out? >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Heath >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > -- > the blendmaster > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 17:36:39 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Jul 22 17:36:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: COOL!!!!! maybe they've finally wised up! On 7/21/09, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > Amazingly, they've done it again: > > Microsoft makes second GPLv2 release in as many days > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5562638/419952/205621/0/ > > This time, it is a plugin for an open-source course management system, > Moodle. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 > - > - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 > - > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu > - > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org > beebe@computer.org - > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From bmidgley at xmission.com Wed Jul 22 22:41:23 2009 From: bmidgley at xmission.com (Brad Midgley) Date: Wed Jul 22 22:41:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc0907141918i33962cc8m1275a0b5458a0700@mail.gmail.com> References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc0907130444s3f4da44ao5c6509eb94497dd4@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70907131515n3b710bb8ha9b67c4c446b85d@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907131602te660268x9445fa7cdb4b0f5@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc0907141918i33962cc8m1275a0b5458a0700@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A67E9F3.8090503@xmission.com> Christopher This may not have bearing on data rates, but in order to get call-waiting caller id to work in my house, I had to rework it so the dsl modem was the first device the outside line hit, then I had a single dsl filter after that, then split it out for the rest of the house. The multiple dsl filters I had before that were interfering with call waiting caller id and making it come up empty iirc. Brad From bmidgley at xmission.com Wed Jul 22 22:42:34 2009 From: bmidgley at xmission.com (Brad Midgley) Date: Wed Jul 22 22:42:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Observatory above Farmington In-Reply-To: <20090713183843.GB15866@waoki.org> References: <4A583954.7060100@thesmithfam.org> <200907130917.41837.jakea@xmission.com> <20090713183843.GB15866@waoki.org> Message-ID: <4A67EA3A.5090500@xmission.com> Hey! >> The University of Utah has a dome on campus, but I'm not sure what they do >> with it, if anything. > > The observatory on the South Physics building is open to the public > every Wednesday night: this sounds like a great sllug meeting in the making! any way to make the tour more linuxish? :) Brad From bmidgley at xmission.com Wed Jul 22 22:46:27 2009 From: bmidgley at xmission.com (Brad Midgley) Date: Wed Jul 22 22:46:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: mythtv vs. comcast In-Reply-To: <5a7d87a70907101435n3adbb40do1cfc740a91cf4a50@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903081900.n28J05n5012726@sllug.org> <49B53A69.8090903@iomega.com> <49B54BEE.2020805@azza.com> <90cf3c3d0903091023t164f9a51m57777e9bf27335cd@mail.gmail.com> <6eed9f340f42b31b135992e8f7045a82.squirrel@jeremyshop.com> <49B574ED.3080208@azza.com> <148f6bb30903091317j59e4283ei26776b3b7050f9f7@mail.gmail.com> <49F7C625.9030007@xmission.com> <148f6bb30904290630v2edd8d51pbb48f4abebede17d@mail.gmail.com> <4A4F7CE8.7090605@xmission.com> <5a7d87a70907101435n3adbb40do1cfc740a91cf4a50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A67EB23.50108@xmission.com> Nathan > Brad I just made it through this thread. I had a myth setup using the > hd3000 and I experienced stuttering quite frequently. Part of the > problem with that card from what I understand is that the shielding > isn't good enough to get QAM. I could only get the card to work with OTA > reception, and every once in a while with QAM. Maybe I'm just lucky but it's behaving now. My first attempts were very choppy (using a celeron 2.4ghz), but with a much faster machine (dual athlon x2 4400) I don't have much trouble with artifacts, maybe just a short glitch about once per hour. I did apply a change to the hd3000's nonvolatile memory but I think that had to do with audio dma or something. I can try to find that info if you want to see it. Brad From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 23:00:42 2009 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Wed Jul 22 23:00:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Phone/DSL wiring question In-Reply-To: <4A67E9F3.8090503@xmission.com> References: <6977f2fc0907130135q4f3f0ea8h8fed9c5e7e3b7dfb@mail.gmail.com> <2e84de770907130400i6107ffdpfee9d67deb8de387@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc0907130444s3f4da44ao5c6509eb94497dd4@mail.gmail.com> <5ea2aae70907131515n3b710bb8ha9b67c4c446b85d@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390907131602te660268x9445fa7cdb4b0f5@mail.gmail.com> <6977f2fc0907141918i33962cc8m1275a0b5458a0700@mail.gmail.com> <4A67E9F3.8090503@xmission.com> Message-ID: <6977f2fc0907222200l2540acf6h819fbaf19aa1c178@mail.gmail.com> >I had to rework it so the > dsl modem was the first device the outside line hit, then I had a single > dsl filter after that, then split it out for the rest of the house. Thanks for the tip. I didn't have a problem with Caller ID. However, I did rewire the house with this setup. Before, the line split in two from the outside box, went into the attic, and dropped into the kitchen and bedroom. The bedroom line then dropped to the basement. That is where I have the modem. I hate trying to follow wires through blown insulation. Now it runs from the outside box, into the modem in the basement, and continues to the kitchen. I didn't bother with the bedroom line as I have a multi-phone wireless setup. I'm still not getting more than 4Mbps. I haven't had a chance to contact QWest. I have a big project with a short deadline that is keeping me busy. From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 23:17:53 2009 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Wed Jul 22 23:18:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: mythtv vs. comcast In-Reply-To: <4A67EB23.50108@xmission.com> References: <200903081900.n28J05n5012726@sllug.org> <90cf3c3d0903091023t164f9a51m57777e9bf27335cd@mail.gmail.com> <6eed9f340f42b31b135992e8f7045a82.squirrel@jeremyshop.com> <49B574ED.3080208@azza.com> <148f6bb30903091317j59e4283ei26776b3b7050f9f7@mail.gmail.com> <49F7C625.9030007@xmission.com> <148f6bb30904290630v2edd8d51pbb48f4abebede17d@mail.gmail.com> <4A4F7CE8.7090605@xmission.com> <5a7d87a70907101435n3adbb40do1cfc740a91cf4a50@mail.gmail.com> <4A67EB23.50108@xmission.com> Message-ID: <6977f2fc0907222217t6e36ba00vb418bf5886f8ebcd@mail.gmail.com> > I did apply a change to the hd3000's nonvolatile memory but I think that > had to do with audio dma or something. I can try to find that info if > you want to see it. I'd be interested in any hd3000 tweaks. I'm still curious about the IR port on that card... From chris.c.hogan at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 01:00:04 2009 From: chris.c.hogan at gmail.com (Christopher Hogan) Date: Thu Jul 23 01:00:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <1248224852.3061.7.camel@play> <2e84de770907211906p1e28ff55v8335f8077fbbbd01@mail.gmail.com> <1248230826.3872.2.camel@play> Message-ID: <6977f2fc0907230000u67b5a617x130bb18899ac0fa8@mail.gmail.com> >> heh, turns out it's cs46xx that it uses. it's still missing, though. I'm not sure if this helps or not. However, I found the cs46xx in the kernel source at: Location: ? -> Device Drivers ? -> Sound card support (SOUND [=m]) ? -> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (SND [=m]) ? -> PCI sound devices (SND_PCI [=y]) ? -> Cirrus Logic (Sound Fusion) CS4280/CS461x/CS462x/CS463x I'm running 2.6.29-gentoo-r5. Here are the depends, if they help: Depends on: SOUND && !M68K && SND && SND_PCI. > so now, i have a second kernel, that doesn't work because i forgot to > compile ext3 into it (it's a module), and i cant get mkinitrd or > whatever to install, and mkinitramfs is partially broken (needs insane > tweaking to make work), I know most of the distributions ship with an initial ram disk. For a kernel that doesn't have to run under completely random settings and hardware, it is much easier to skip the ram disk, build your /boot file system into the kernel, and supply your boot loader with the kernel image. The Gentoo manual (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7) has some good tips on compiling the kernel and setting up the boot loader. It should apply to most any desktop distribution. Hope some of this helps... Chris From vi at dubbayou.com Thu Jul 23 08:55:49 2009 From: vi at dubbayou.com (Richard Nadeau) Date: Thu Jul 23 08:57:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 18:49 -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > Amazingly, they've done it again: > > Microsoft makes second GPLv2 release in as many days > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5562638/419952/205621/0/ > It looks like the first one was the result of a GPL violation: http://www.osnews.com/story/21882/Microsoft_s_Linux_Kernel_Code_Drop_Result_of_GPL_Violation http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3433 I'll bet the second one was as well. Nice marketing spin by Microsoft. As they say, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Regards, Rick From u235sentinel at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 11:51:22 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Thu Jul 23 11:51:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> Message-ID: <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> Richard Nadeau wrote: > > It looks like the first one was the result of a GPL violation: > http://www.osnews.com/story/21882/Microsoft_s_Linux_Kernel_Code_Drop_Result_of_GPL_Violation > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3433 > > I'll bet the second one was as well. Nice marketing spin by Microsoft. > > As they say, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. > > Regards, > Rick Typical Microsoft. Another reason I've left these buzzards years ago for Unix/Linux. We're down to one Microsoft XP workstation. And that's because Vegas Video doesn't work under Wine nor are there any other's similar in the Linux world yet. There are a couple that come close and I'm crossing my fingers they will get up to this level. Or I just might buy a Mac, purchase Final Cut Pro and be done with it :-) From beebe at math.utah.edu Thu Jul 23 15:21:32 2009 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Thu Jul 23 15:21:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] more news of the Microsoft Linux modules and GPL violations Message-ID: Here are two more stories today from Network World Online about the Microsoft Linux modules and [alleged] GPL violations: >> ... >> Microsoft accused of being in violation of GPL on Hyper-V code >> http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/4204454/258472359/62281/0/ >> >> Microsoft was reportedly in violation of the GPL license on the Linux >> kernel Hyper-V code it released to the open source community this >> week. The drivers Microsoft created used both open-source and >> closed-source components which is a clear no-no under the GPL. >> >> >> Microsoft's Linux madness has a method >> http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/4204454/258472359/62282/0/ >> >> Under the glare of Microsoft's historic Linux kernel code submission >> last week is the fact that the software giant on many levels still >> lives in a community of one much more so than a community at large. >> ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 18:01:07 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Thu Jul 23 18:01:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> Message-ID: a mac!?!?!?!? they're just as bad!!! On 7/23/09, u235sentinel wrote: > Richard Nadeau wrote: >> >> It looks like the first one was the result of a GPL violation: >> http://www.osnews.com/story/21882/Microsoft_s_Linux_Kernel_Code_Drop_Result_of_GPL_Violation >> >> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3433 >> >> I'll bet the second one was as well. Nice marketing spin by Microsoft. >> >> As they say, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. >> >> Regards, >> Rick > Typical Microsoft. > > Another reason I've left these buzzards years ago for Unix/Linux. > > We're down to one Microsoft XP workstation. And that's because Vegas > Video doesn't work under Wine nor are there any other's similar in the > Linux world yet. > > There are a couple that come close and I'm crossing my fingers they will > get up to this level. > > Or I just might buy a Mac, purchase Final Cut Pro and be done with it :-) > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 18:07:52 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Thu Jul 23 18:08:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: the driver for my sound card is missing from debian's alsa!!!!! In-Reply-To: <6977f2fc0907230000u67b5a617x130bb18899ac0fa8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1248224852.3061.7.camel@play> <2e84de770907211906p1e28ff55v8335f8077fbbbd01@mail.gmail.com> <1248230826.3872.2.camel@play> <6977f2fc0907230000u67b5a617x130bb18899ac0fa8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: thanks, i've got this figured out now (though not fixed yet). however, i just found a problem with my network card.... On 7/23/09, Christopher Hogan wrote: >>> heh, turns out it's cs46xx that it uses. it's still missing, though. > > I'm not sure if this helps or not. However, I found the cs46xx in the > kernel source at: > > Location: > ? -> Device Drivers > ? -> Sound card support (SOUND [=m]) > ? -> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (SND [=m]) > ? -> PCI sound devices (SND_PCI [=y]) > ? -> Cirrus Logic (Sound Fusion) CS4280/CS461x/CS462x/CS463x > > I'm running 2.6.29-gentoo-r5. > > Here are the depends, if they help: Depends on: SOUND && !M68K && SND > && SND_PCI. > >> so now, i have a second kernel, that doesn't work because i forgot to >> compile ext3 into it (it's a module), and i cant get mkinitrd or >> whatever to install, and mkinitramfs is partially broken (needs insane >> tweaking to make work), > > I know most of the distributions ship with an initial ram disk. For a > kernel that doesn't have to run under completely random settings and > hardware, it is much easier to skip the ram disk, build your /boot > file system into the kernel, and supply your boot loader with the > kernel image. > > The Gentoo manual > (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7) > has some good tips on compiling the kernel and setting up the boot > loader. It should apply to most any desktop distribution. > > Hope some of this helps... > > Chris > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 18:28:32 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Thu Jul 23 18:28:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: my network card isn't cooperating with debian either Message-ID: so i tried to use networking in my debian install, and it seemsed to work out of the box, but then it shut off. after some twiddling it looks like the card shuts off ~3 minutes after plugging the cable in. so, i checked dmesg. it was full of an odd error from the tulip driver - unfortunatly i'm not on my machine, so i can't copy-and-paste it, but as soon as that error shows up the card shuts off. i'll copy-and-paste the error when i can, but in the meantime has anyone ever seen anything like this? -- the blendmaster From white.armor at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 12:16:53 2009 From: white.armor at gmail.com (Jordan Schatz) Date: Thu Jul 23 19:37:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:51:22AM -0600, u235sentinel wrote: > We're down to one Microsoft XP workstation. And that's because Vegas > Video doesn't work under Wine nor are there any other's similar in the > Linux world yet. > > There are a couple that come close and I'm crossing my fingers they will > get up to this level. > Have you seen http://cinelerra.org/ ? I am not familiar with Vegas Video, but Cinelerra is pretty advanced. From allen.schultz at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 22:31:10 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Thu Jul 23 22:31:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: QuadView HD like software? Message-ID: <3f34f8420907232131k4a67d1aep8863c2072d25fe3e@mail.gmail.com> SLLUG: Is there a software solution to displaying up to 4 seperate DVi signals on one monitor? Independantly scalable windows? RGB Spectrum QuadView HD is a hardware solution but is expensive. I could acquire hardware to get the inputs to one computer, but to display in a fashion to be independantly scalable on one monitor is the current problem. Any suggestions would be very helpful. Sincerely, Allen Bill From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:43:13 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Fri Jul 24 08:43:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> Message-ID: hmm.... i've seen cinelerra, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere on the first 14 debian cds.... very annoying... On 7/23/09, Jordan Schatz wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:51:22AM -0600, u235sentinel wrote: >> We're down to one Microsoft XP workstation. And that's because Vegas >> Video doesn't work under Wine nor are there any other's similar in the >> Linux world yet. >> >> There are a couple that come close and I'm crossing my fingers they will >> get up to this level. >> > Have you seen http://cinelerra.org/ ? I am not familiar with Vegas > Video, but Cinelerra is pretty advanced. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:57:22 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Fri Jul 24 08:57:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: QuadView HD like software? In-Reply-To: <3f34f8420907232131k4a67d1aep8863c2072d25fe3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f34f8420907232131k4a67d1aep8863c2072d25fe3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: well if you have an extra box, then maybe you could look for a way to use DVi as v4l inputs, and then you could have all kinds of fun.... On 7/23/09, Allen Schultz wrote: > SLLUG: > > Is there a software solution to displaying up to 4 seperate DVi > signals on one monitor? Independantly scalable windows? RGB Spectrum > QuadView HD is a hardware solution but is expensive. I could acquire > hardware to get the inputs to one computer, but to display in a > fashion to be independantly scalable on one monitor is the current > problem. > > Any suggestions would be very helpful. > > Sincerely, > > Allen > Bill > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From unum at unum5.org Fri Jul 24 09:03:15 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:03:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> Message-ID: <4A69CD33.3010406@unum5.org> On 07/24/2009 08:43 AM, Christian Horne wrote: > hmm.... i've seen cinelerra, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere on the > first 14 debian cds.... very annoying... > Is there a reason you are using cd's and not connecting to a repository. I just burn the business cd iso and then install the rest off of an apt-get repository. Kyle From u235sentinel at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 09:05:21 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:05:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> Message-ID: <4A69CDB1.6050108@gmail.com> Christian Horne wrote: > hmm.... i've seen cinelerra, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere on the > first 14 debian cds.... very annoying... > > >> Have you seen http://cinelerra.org/ ? I am not familiar with Vegas >> Video, but Cinelerra is pretty advanced. > I haven't tried cinelerra in a while. I should check them again. The last time I used their software it kept crashing. No error messages popped up. It just disappeared from my screen and I had to restart it again. Get's very annoying after a while. I've been using kdenlive for a while now but it's not quite there either. From u235sentinel at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 09:09:55 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:10:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A69CEC3.2020803@gmail.com> Christian Horne wrote: > a mac!?!?!?!? they're just as bad!!! > I hear ya. My concern is finding something that ISN'T Microsoft infested so I can still create DVD Videos. When I have a rush job I use Vegas Video suite in a virtual box. Works pretty good though it's not ideal From thatch45 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 09:10:56 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:10:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: <4A69CDB1.6050108@gmail.com> References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> <4A69CDB1.6050108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6172c17e0907240810q1bad2019kf058cdcf7015fbc3@mail.gmail.com> I was about to say, kdenlive shows a lot of promise, and it is reasonable to use. But it still seems unstable. I can't wait until one of these guys really comes of age! On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM, u235sentinel wrote: > Christian Horne wrote: > >> hmm.... i've seen cinelerra, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere on the >> first 14 debian cds.... very annoying... >> >> >> >>> Have you seen http://cinelerra.org/ ? I am not familiar with Vegas >>> Video, but Cinelerra is pretty advanced. >>> >> >> > I haven't tried cinelerra in a while. I should check them again. The last > time I used their software it kept crashing. No error messages popped up. > It just disappeared from my screen and I had to restart it again. Get's > very annoying after a while. > > I've been using kdenlive for a while now but it's not quite there either. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090724/1f498662/attachment.htm From u235sentinel at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 09:13:11 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:13:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0907240810q1bad2019kf058cdcf7015fbc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> <4A69CDB1.6050108@gmail.com> <6172c17e0907240810q1bad2019kf058cdcf7015fbc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A69CF87.2060302@gmail.com> Thomas S Hatch wrote: > I was about to say, kdenlive shows a lot of promise, and it is > reasonable to use. But it still seems unstable. I can't wait until > one of these guys really comes of age! Agreed. I'm downloading cinelerra source and will give them another go at it. If they would just stop disappearing from my desktop and crashing then I'd be half inclined to put some time into using it :D From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 09:36:10 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:36:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: <4A69CF87.2060302@gmail.com> References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> <4A69CDB1.6050108@gmail.com> <6172c17e0907240810q1bad2019kf058cdcf7015fbc3@mail.gmail.com> <4A69CF87.2060302@gmail.com> Message-ID: what is it, segfaults? turn on core dump and email the core dumps as bug reports! well... except, that would have whatever you were working on in it... but something like that On 7/24/09, u235sentinel wrote: > Thomas S Hatch wrote: >> I was about to say, kdenlive shows a lot of promise, and it is >> reasonable to use. But it still seems unstable. I can't wait until >> one of these guys really comes of age! > Agreed. I'm downloading cinelerra source and will give them another go > at it. If they would just stop disappearing from my desktop and > crashing then I'd be half inclined to put some time into using it :D > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From benko.kevin at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 13:40:13 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Fri Jul 24 13:40:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0907240810q1bad2019kf058cdcf7015fbc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A69CDB1.6050108@gmail.com> <6172c17e0907240810q1bad2019kf058cdcf7015fbc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907241340.24650.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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((I would assume that the MD5 hash would be generated from the To, From, and Date headers in addition to the body)) While I, and anyone with enough "geek-points", would accept the MD5 header as being sufficient to confirm the authenticity of the email, would someone with a low number of "geek-points" be convinced that the MD5 hash would serve to authenticate the body, To, From, and Date of the email? The MD5 header would serve a different purpose than merely GPG-signing the email Body, as it would be added by the mailserver and would also serve to authenticate things that a GPG-signed email body wouldn't be able to hash. -- Kevin Benko "Other than supporting The Bill of Rights, does anything constitute treason in this country any more?" -- Minority Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090724/7229a270/attachment.html From waoki at waoki.org Fri Jul 24 15:58:03 2009 From: waoki at waoki.org (Will Aoki) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:58:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Query On Email MD5 Headers In-Reply-To: <200907241443.03115.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200907241443.03115.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090724215803.GA5284@waoki.org> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:43:00PM -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > Is anyone out there familiar with MDAs that generate/add an MD5 header? [trimmed] > I would assume that the MD5 has was generated from the body and from all > the relevant email headers (excluding the MD5 header, itself, [trimmed] > While I, and anyone with enough "geek-points", would accept the MD5 > header as being sufficient to confirm the authenticity of the email, would > someone with a low number of "geek-points" be convinced that the MD5 > hash would serve to authenticate the body, To, From, and Date of the > email? As you've described it, your MD5 header permits error detection but does nothing to let you confirm the authenticity of the e-mail. An attacker need only recalculate the MD5 hash after altering the message. In order to achieve what you want, you'd need to either use a secret in the cryptogrpahic hash calculation [0] (in which case a recipient couldn't verify an e-mail without also be able to forge the hash), cryptographically sign the message instead of including a bare hash [1], or compute the hash and store it in an immutable database. In all cases, the recipient cannot verify the message from the hash header alone: a secret, a public key or access to the verification database is required. You probably also want to do the hash computation in the MUA or MTA, not the MDA, unless your goal is to be able to prove that inbound mail arriving at your server has not been modified since delivery. On the other hand, if that is your goal, your life has been made easier, as you no longer have to deal with headers being added, removed or altered. Finally, you'll want to use a different hash algorithm, as MD5 is rapidly falling out of favor. One might want to use two hash algorithms to make attacks more difficult. Footnotes: [0] If memory serves, there are several authentication schemes that work this way: a shared secret is concatenated with a challenge and the cryptographic hash of the result is passed over the wire. [1] This is (more or less) how GPG and related systems usually work: hash the message, encrypt the hash using the secret key, and include the result as the signature. If?applying the public key to the encrypted text results in a plaintext that matches the hash of the message, then the signature is valid. -- William Aoki waoki@waoki.org KD7YAF From vi at dubbayou.com Fri Jul 24 20:20:49 2009 From: vi at dubbayou.com (Richard Nadeau) Date: Fri Jul 24 20:22:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Query On Email MD5 Headers In-Reply-To: <200907241443.03115.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200907241443.03115.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1248488449.26733.11.camel@strouthos> Kevin, On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 14:43 -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: > > Is anyone out there familiar with MDAs that generate/add an MD5 > header? > > Back during the DotCom bubble, the $BIGCORP for whom I worked had the > mailserver/MDA generate and include an MD5 header on every email > originating within $BIGCORP. > > I would assume that the MD5 has was generated from the body and from > all the relevant email headers (excluding the MD5 header, itself, > obviously). ((I would assume that the MD5 hash would be generated from > the To, From, and Date headers in addition to the body)) > <-- snip --> You probably want to look at using DKIM: http://www.dkim.org/ . It does pretty much what you mention above using RSA. It provides a public key using DNS TXT records for receiving MDAs to confirm it is coming from a valid sending host. The DKIM signature is also used to verify that each message has not been modified in transit. I have implemented DKIM using amavisd-new, and have also used Postfix with a Sendmail milter, dkim-milter, to implement signing. Regards, Rick From lookmomnohands at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 12:01:57 2009 From: lookmomnohands at gmail.com (lookmomnohands@gmail.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 12:02:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: G4L is now a four letter word Message-ID: <2015451545-1248544966-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1369068576-@bxe1242.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Okay I have more details as to my actual issue. When G4L (or bzip2) splits files, is it supposed to have a file *.bz2 as well, instead of only the bz2.000 , bz2.001 , etc. ? Because I DON'T HAVE THAT with either of the backups I made during this time! So now, when I attempt to restore it tries to use backup.bz2.000* instead of .bz2* and that obviously won't work! I am not sure if this is something bzcat is supposed to rebuild, or if I'm left with having to get a hold of a copy of bzip2recover -not included! I attempted to fool the thing by making a file simply to "Pick" from the menu, and then deleted it from the special commands. It didn't like that. Invalid magick was the message I believe. I'm going to search the forum in a bit, but wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 16:18:57 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Jul 25 16:19:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GPL Violation [was: another Microsoft GPL contribution to the Linux world] In-Reply-To: References: <1248360949.2027.4.camel@strouthos> <4A68A31A.10706@gmail.com> <20090723181653.GA22788@falcon> <4A69CDB1.6050108@gmail.com> <6172c17e0907240810q1bad2019kf058cdcf7015fbc3@mail.gmail.com> <4A69CF87.2060302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6B84D1.9080003@gmail.com> Christian Horne wrote: > what is it, segfaults? turn on core dump and email the core dumps as > bug reports! > well... except, that would have whatever you were working on in it... > but something like that > > On 7/24/09, u235sentinel wrote: > >> >> Agreed. I'm downloading cinelerra source and will give them another go >> at it. If they would just stop disappearing from my desktop and >> crashing then I'd be half inclined to put some time into using it :D That's the weird thing about it all. I don't find any coredumps hanging around. The program simply stops and I need to restart and reload what I was working on (hopefully it was saved before it disappeared). I don't see anything in syslog or dmesg. I think it dies before anything has a chance to write anything to logs or corefile. I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 with gnome and KDE. Same results for either. If I come across anything you can bet I'll be posting a bug :-) From benko.kevin at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 13:13:16 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Sun Jul 26 13:13:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Question For A Linux Kernel Guru WRT Seagate Free Agent Message-ID: <200907261313.18585.benko.kevin@gmail.com> There must have been a change in the Linux kernel that fixed a problem withe the Seagate Free Agent external drives, and I am curious to know when/if the change occurred. Way back when the Seagate "Free Agent" drives came out, there was a problem with interoperability with the Linux kernel. I used the "hdparm" command to turn off time-out/spin-down, as a workaround. Well.... after "the great shuffling around of computers" event when we moved, I took the time to futz around with the dreaded Seagate Free Agent drives, again. They seem to work perfectly, now. I set the spin-down/time-out down to 1 minute for testing purposes, and I now have the spin-down/time-out set at 5 minutes. over the past month, I have not had a single issue with these drives as I did back in 2007. I can only guess that there was some kernel code added to allow Linux to work with the Free Agent drives. The change seems to have happened somewhere between kernel 2.6.26 and 2.6.29, but I couldn't find anything that seemed relevant when I grepped the kernel source tree (and Google isn't of any help for this particular question). Can any kernel gurus out there tell me when/if there were changes in the kernel to correct Seagate's oversight with these drives? -- Kevin Benko "It is not at all simple to understand the simple." -- Eric Hoffer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090726/2c9b0da8/attachment.htm From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 14:58:18 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Jul 27 14:58:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Question For A Linux Kernel Guru WRT Seagate Free Agent In-Reply-To: <200907261313.18585.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200907261313.18585.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: do a diff, then grep. On 7/26/09, Kevin Benko wrote: > There must have been a change in the Linux kernel that fixed a problem > withe the Seagate Free Agent external drives, and I am curious to know > when/if the change occurred. > > Way back when the Seagate "Free Agent" drives came out, there was a > problem with interoperability with the Linux kernel. I used the "hdparm" > command to turn off time-out/spin-down, as a workaround. > > Well.... after "the great shuffling around of computers" event when we > moved, I took the time to futz around with the dreaded Seagate Free > Agent drives, again. > > They seem to work perfectly, now. I set the spin-down/time-out down to 1 > minute for testing purposes, and I now have the spin-down/time-out set > at 5 minutes. over the past month, I have not had a single issue with > these drives as I did back in 2007. > > I can only guess that there was some kernel code added to allow Linux to > work with the Free Agent drives. > > The change seems to have happened somewhere between kernel 2.6.26 and > 2.6.29, but I couldn't find anything that seemed relevant when I grepped > the kernel source tree (and Google isn't of any help for this particular > question). > > Can any kernel gurus out there tell me when/if there were changes in the > kernel to correct Seagate's oversight with these drives? > > -- > Kevin Benko > > "It is not at all simple to understand the simple." > -- Eric Hoffer > > -- the blendmaster From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 15:19:23 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Mon Jul 27 15:19:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Question For A Linux Kernel Guru WRT Seagate Free Agent In-Reply-To: <200907261313.18585.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200907261313.18585.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e84de770907271419h4bc5f862ud1acd67892544a08@mail.gmail.com> I appologize that this isn't the most 'useful' answer, but I thought I'd just chime in with a word of advice about my (very limited) experience with such things. It has been my experience that subtle improvements to the functioning of a device are often not direct changes to the device's driver at all. Even if your device has its own driver in the kernel, that driver depends on so many other components - usb core, usb mass storage, disk io, etc - and a change to any of these components can alter the functionality of your device. I once spent ages trying to determine a regression in the functionality of my tablet stylus, only to find that a seemingly completely unrelated in parallel device support caused the issue, The stylus isn't even parallel. Anyway, my point is , its often very hard to grep or browse sources or changelogs for the change that made yor device work. If you are really, really interested, though. I would recommend asking on the LKML. -- MIchael Heath [Sent from my phone, so please ignore any horrible formatting] On 7/26/09, Kevin Benko wrote: > There must have been a change in the Linux kernel that fixed a problem > withe the Seagate Free Agent external drives, and I am curious to know > when/if the change occurred. > > Way back when the Seagate "Free Agent" drives came out, there was a > problem with interoperability with the Linux kernel. I used the "hdparm" > command to turn off time-out/spin-down, as a workaround. > > Well.... after "the great shuffling around of computers" event when we > moved, I took the time to futz around with the dreaded Seagate Free > Agent drives, again. > > They seem to work perfectly, now. I set the spin-down/time-out down to 1 > minute for testing purposes, and I now have the spin-down/time-out set > at 5 minutes. over the past month, I have not had a single issue with > these drives as I did back in 2007. > > I can only guess that there was some kernel code added to allow Linux to > work with the Free Agent drives. > > The change seems to have happened somewhere between kernel 2.6.26 and > 2.6.29, but I couldn't find anything that seemed relevant when I grepped > the kernel source tree (and Google isn't of any help for this particular > question). > > Can any kernel gurus out there tell me when/if there were changes in the > kernel to correct Seagate's oversight with these drives? > > -- > Kevin Benko > > "It is not at all simple to understand the simple." > -- Eric Hoffer > > From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 13:58:06 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu Jul 30 13:58:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime for August Message-ID: Anyone got an interesting presentation for a presentation next Wednesday? Please submit them asap. Cheers, Clint From ehrbar at lists.econ.utah.edu Thu Jul 30 14:57:35 2009 From: ehrbar at lists.econ.utah.edu (ehrbar) Date: Thu Jul 30 14:57:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG Daytime for August In-Reply-To: (message from Clint Savage on Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:58:06 -0600) References: Message-ID: Clint was asking about a subject for the next SLLUG meeting. The connection between open source and the smart electric grid seems to be an interesting issue. Is anybody in the local open source community working on the smart grid? We do have a smart grid right here in Utah, ATK Thiokol is building a plant wide smart grid for their wind and cogeneration facilities. And I hope the U of U will eventually do something similar. Rocky Mountain Power and the Public Service Commission, on the other hand, are planning to go slow with it. I would be willing to lead a session, but it would be a general discussion, I am not a programmer. I could try to invite people from ATK and RMP. Perhaps a general discussion will be ok, since this is a hot issue which deserves more attention. What do you think? Here are a couple of national news items from googling "open source" "smart grid": http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2009/tc20090227_931349.htm http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/companies/Cisco_Certifies_Smart_Grid_as_the_Next_Big_Thing-583.html Hans. Hans G. Ehrbar http://www.econ.utah.edu/~ehrbar ehrbar@economics.utah.edu Economics Department, University of Utah (801) 581 7797 (my office) 1645 Campus Center Dr., Rm 308 (801) 581 7481 (econ office) Salt Lake City UT 84112-9300 (801) 585 5649 (FAX)