From sinuhe at gnu.org Wed Apr 1 06:16:47 2009 From: sinuhe at gnu.org (D. E. Evans) Date: Wed Apr 1 06:16:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was wrong. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:06:47 -0600 <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Try as I might, I can't find a flaw in the irrefutable logic of the argument "I like top posting." Though I don't think you were wrong, and I don't think that being stuck in the past is bad (if only more of us were willing to learn from the past), I think your statement here has merit. As I wrote in a blog post, "Standards recommendations should reflect what people do well, not what standards bodies want people to do." I think proper trimming and a brief quotation above, with a thoughtful response below, are something people do well, but where a choice has been made (MUA's top posting to accomodate what people do), it may mean that MUA's need to accomodate this by adding an option to trim for you. Computer's should do your work for you and this is where I think your statement brings something up worth considering. From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 07:13:36 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Wed Apr 1 07:13:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was wrong. In-Reply-To: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > I've been considering what was said in defense of top posting and I've > come to a realization: I was wrong. This will surprise some of you. > Allow me to explain my reasoning. > > 1) I realize now that I was stuck in the past. While I wrapped myself in > decades of tradition, I now realize that if two of the most important > tech companies ever (Microsoft and Google) both default to top posting, > there must be a good reason. Eternal September should not be remembered > as a tragedy, but as the beginning of our liberation. All praise be to > AOL, liberator of the masses! > > 2) Let's face it, the Internet is write only media. I've been arguing > that trimming replies is the courteous thing to do. This was based on > the flawed assumption that someone will actually read anything I write. > If the blogging revolution, Facebook, and Twitter have taught us nothing > else, they have at least made clear that we should spend more time > broadcasting our lives, and less time reading what others have to say. > The time I spend trimming is time I could have spent typing. > > 3) Try as I might, I can't find a flaw in the irrefutable logic of the > argument "I like top posting." > > I see now that I was wrong and I apologize. > > -- > "Proprietary software is the software equivalent of a planned economy > led by a dictators" -- Scott McNealy > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > My heart stopped for a moment... Could it really be over? Are they throwing snowballs in hell? Quickly I checked my calendar, ahh now I see... It's April 1st! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090401/bf87dfb3/attachment.html From jay at communitect.com Wed Apr 1 07:34:14 2009 From: jay at communitect.com (Jay Geertsen) Date: Wed Apr 1 07:34:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was wrong. In-Reply-To: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5D47E143F0104794B87878260B985A20@JGEERTSENL> For me, the only thing that was "wrong" about the whole discussion was the amount of time and effort that was wasted on it. Opinions are great. Religious discussions about our _opinions_ is pointless. Is trimming a worthwhile thing to do? Definitely. Is top-posting evil and are its supporters doomed to hell? Definitely. Is bottom-posting a plague on society and leads to nose warts? Definitely. Is Linux better than Windows, or is it the other way around? Definitely. :-) If I can understand what someone is saying, do I give a hoot whether they top-, bottom-, or middle-posted? Definitely not. Will I lose any sleep if their message is in HTML? Not if I can read it. Have I spent _way_ too much time on this message? _Most_ definitely.... Jay Geertsen P.S. Hopefully my trimming will compensate for my top-posting. :-) -----Original Message----- From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Jansen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:07 AM To: sllug-members@sllug.org Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was wrong. ... I see now that I was wrong and I apologize. ... From tsharpe at xmission.com Wed Apr 1 07:49:00 2009 From: tsharpe at xmission.com (Trevor Sharpe) Date: Wed Apr 1 07:49:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was wrong. In-Reply-To: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D37EDC.8050601@xmission.com> I am just marking this day on my calendar as a reminder that it happened. It still could be a elaborate April Fool's joke. Of course I refuse to quote anyone. This is a not response to anyones previous message, because I would hate to see all the mental masturbation start all over again. -- Trevor Sharpe E-Mail: tsharpe@xmission.com Jabber: tsharpe@gmail.com ---------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ---H. L. Mencken From sinuhe at gnu.org Wed Apr 1 08:15:27 2009 From: sinuhe at gnu.org (D. E. Evans) Date: Wed Apr 1 08:15:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was wrong. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:13:36 -0600 References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Yes, we'll done Stuart. I've been had. From stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 09:21:45 2009 From: stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com (Steve Hildebrand) Date: Wed Apr 1 09:21:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: sllug-members Digest, Vol 55, Issue 47 In-Reply-To: <200904010401.n3141hob001643@sllug.org> References: <200904010401.n3141hob001643@sllug.org> Message-ID: <292643.70597.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the tips, Matt and Justin! Matt: 1) Check the logs for any hardware messages. Sometimes the drivers will log a message that may provide a clue. Since it won't boot but will read both CDs and DVDs, I suspect a hardware issue of some kind. I have always used IDE option in BIOS, don't know whether that may affect your boot. I think it may have. I had port 4/5 set as IDE in BIOS, when I switched it to SATA, it seemed to magically start working. The board defaulted to IDE for all SATA ports, and since I only have two SATA devices, I didn't bother changing it. I installed Ubuntu 64bit last night, but I am getting a different problem now. I partitioned off 50gb for /, 200gb for /home, and the remaining 500gb for /data. I know for a fact I set the /data as a primary partition on the second install try, but it keeps showing up as a folder under /. I really want to have that as a separate drive, like the old IDE has, but the 64bit gpart didn't seem to recognize the partitions on the IDE while I was installing, so I don't remember how I set it up last time. The really odd bit is how BIOS has the usual suspects for first boot device: CD-ROM (I assumed this was BIOS short hand for "first optical drive I find". Not so.), LS120 (Does anyone even have one of these anymore? :) ), USB-fdd, USB-zip, USB-hdd, and waaaaay down at the bottom, off the bottom of the list requiring a scroll down, my specific drive is listed - HT STDVD-xxx. Choosing that one got it up and running, but I am not sure if it is a burner or not at this point. 2), 3) & 4) Always good advice, even in my case, where everything is brand new. No secondary SATA DVD drive to check with, however, and my sneaking suspicion is that I have a DVD RAM. Justin: So to verify, both your hard drive and DVD burner are both SATA? Just for complete clarification, are the SATA controllers SATA or SATA2? Likewise, what version of SATA are the HDD and DVD drives? SATA and SATA 2 are backwards compatible and all, but I just want to get a better idea. I would have to check. That sound like the kind of thing that would trigger my gearhead wonkery, so likely not. Now, when did this first start happening? I see you mentioned Ubuntu 8.10, has it worked since you installed/upgraded to 8.10? Does it work in 8.04, 7.04, etc.. ? New system with 8.10. I put the IDE drive in to boot from until I could get a chance to set up the new HD and get the 64bit version installed. ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090401/82ce45b8/attachment.htm From kwalker at kobran.org Wed Apr 1 09:54:15 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Wed Apr 1 09:54:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Questions, if the pissing contest is over. In-Reply-To: <49D30077.8090008@gmail.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <49D30077.8090008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238604855.3557.13.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 23:49 -0600, u235sentinel wrote: > speakin of SATA drives and all.... I've run into a problem with building > a new MYTHTV system. Mainly with the RAID controller card. > > I've looked at a bunch of them including the 3dware and Promise cards. > Anything that will support at least 4 Internet SATA drives and RAID 5. > The 3dware seems to be what I want but with a serious cost. The cards > run around $300 (YIKES!!) > > The Promise cards will do the trick at a better price however it's not a > hardware RAID 5. I'd have to build a SOFTWARE version instead. Not my > first choice but considering the cost I may go that route if I have to. > > I'm curious if anyone has found a good RAID 5 card for under $100 and of > course supports Linux. > > I've looked through the Ubuntu forums but nothing seems to fit the > bill. Figured I'd give it a shot here :-) After doing extensive checking online like you have done, I ended up buying a cheap Silicon Graphics SATA controller ($25, 4-port) and doing all software RAID-5 (5-drives, hot-swap enclosure). This runs on a VIA C7 (1.5GHz) system and the system doesn't run more than 30% CPU usage when saturating a 100Mbit network link, and that includes encrypted volumes (Thanks to the padlock module and VIA's hardware AES implementation). On an unencrypted volume, it runs about 10-15% CPU usage while saturating the network link. Whole system idles at 59W and maxes at 74W. I like the idea of the 3Ware cards, but I can't justify the price. I also like how Linux software RAID is compatible across systems and controllers, so if that SI controller gives up the blue smoke (Or the motherboard), I don't have to pray that I can find another one just like it. The Promise cards, from my research, are the worst of both worlds. They don't do it all in hardware, but they're not a portable spec like Linux software RAID is. And I hate to say it, but unless you do shell out the big bucks for a 3Ware or Adaptec, you're probably better off using a software RAID. This system will also be my MythTV back-end, since it has the space. My "tuner card" is an HDHomeRun which spits out an MPEG2 stream, so the back-end doesn't have to spend time transcoding. -KW From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 12:37:32 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 12:37:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was (also) wrong. In-Reply-To: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D3C27C.5000303@ridgecrestherbals.com> Stuart Jansen wrote: > I see now that I was wrong and I apologize. Apology accepted with all of the graciousness and sincerity with which it was given. :) Seriously though (and despite it being April Fool's Day), for my part I acknowledge that I was wrong to disregard the "decades of tradition" embodied in RFC 1855-- I sometimes get busy, and careless (especially about rules which, if I ever knew, I had obviously forgotten). Since the error of my ways was pointed out with an RFC citation (not just a rant), I have tried to be much more careful about both trimming and bottom-posting. I hope it has eased your pain. Your allusion to the "Eternal September" of 1993 is apropos, since that is about the time I got on the net (though not through AOL, many early ISPs were born about the same time). Having left school in 1985, and not as a CS major, I was not part of the Internet (though I did use computers extensively) in my own school days. However, I do recall that in 1993, we were more tolerant of SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS, because there were still (a very few) teletypes in use that made anything else difficult. Last I checked (a few years ago), /sbin/login still contained legacy code to accommodate these uppercase terminals. If trimming messages on an iphone requires character-by-character deletion (I don't know, but it sounds that way from a previous post) I'd put that in the same category. Hopefully such an archaic interface will soon go the way of the all-caps teletype. In the meantime, why excoriate him? RFC 1855 draws a big distinction between 1:1 communication, like usual email, and 1:M communication, like a list. Perhaps Google and M$ default to top posting (as does Thunderbird, and IIRC Evolution) because most people spend most of their time in composing 1:1 email (a very reasonable assumption). If so, then the list conventions probably require some re-learning for most people, as several other comments here have attested. Perhaps that is *why* this thread recurs every year or so, as others have pointed out. Other cogent arguments raised, like logical reading order vs. speed of access to the human eye, threading and non-threading email clients, ease of editing, and the volume of backups, have also been well articulated, and apply equally to both 1:1 and 1:M modes. So I think this has been a useful (if marginally topical) thread. Since several tips have been advanced to make compliance easier, I appreciate it. I have learned some things. Storage and transmission costs (and therefore backup costs) get lower all the time. In 1970, my father worked for a company that sold core memories made by hand-threading ferrite donuts around 3 copper wires the size of a human hair (256KB for $256,000, a dollar a BYTE!). Now a terabyte disk is well under $150. So perhaps some of the space-saving arguments that prevailed in 1995 with RFC 1855 are in fact outdated now. I don't think it hurts to discuss them. We pretty well threw out the space-saving (2 more bytes in every date) argument with Y2K, right? That too had "decades of tradition" behind it, and we have yet to address the similar unix-only 2037 issue. XML is a LOT bulkier to transmit and store than equivalent pure binary data, but I don't think most people sweat that cost, and judging from your .sig, you seem to support that innovation too. I don't think there is an obvious and overwhelmingly compelling case for top- vs bottom-posting, absent the tradition; good arguments have been raised on both sides. For me, I know if I had to bottom post and trim all of my 1:1 email, I would be much slower in my email correspondence without doubt. More than half the time, I am 1-line responding and/or forwarding to the appropriate party. I think the case for proper trimming is certainly stronger, but it does take time, and some platforms (like iphone) apparently don't make it easy. That said, the whole history of computing trades ever-decreasing cost of storage, bandwidth, and machine cycles for increased human convenience. That equation is constantly shifting, which is why almost no one codes in binary (or even assembly language) any more. The Altair 8800 is dead and not regretted. So while "I like it" may not be the most compelling argument (especially in the face of an RFC convention), I think "faster to read" and "faster to write" are both relevant to the discussion, though in a 1:M setting, not equally compelling, and "wastes space" is also relevant, but hardly conclusive per se. There is also an argument that more consistency between 1:1 and 1:M conventions would require less human re-training and prevent inadvertent mistakes and hurt feelings. Or maybe the entire 1:M "email list" paradigm needs to be re-thought, and put on threaded web pages with IM notification, or RSS, or something else entirely. Maybe the fit between these public-forum discussions and private email transport mechanisms is just plain wrong. Usenet news is largely dead and gone now, for probably similar reasons. Since you don't accept Postel's law (though your web argument doesn't address the human context in which I applied it), and the provenance of my Lincoln quote was questioned (perhaps rightly, who knows), how about this one from Napoleon (also sometimes attributed to Mark Twain, in modified form): "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." Or, to render it more appropriately for the present application, "Never ascribe to intentional rudeness and ill-breeding that which can be explained by ignorance of RFC 1855 (and/or hardware issues)." If I was unaware of these conventions (or more likely, had forgotten them) then it seems likely others are also unaware, and are sinning in ignorance, not in malice aforethought. Certainly you seem to place a higher priority on these things than I, or maybe most of us, do. So I would plead with you to go a little easy on them (and on all of us). Or to quote another even more disputed source, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do." I vote for more tolerant and civil discussion, and fewer flame-fests, always. And to the extent I have been guilty (and I have), I really do apologize (to you, Stuart, and to any others that may have been offended). And with that, I bid this topic adieu. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 12:50:30 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 12:50:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: sllug-members Digest, Vol 55, Issue 47 In-Reply-To: <292643.70597.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200904010401.n3141hob001643@sllug.org> <292643.70597.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D3C586.3010400@ridgecrestherbals.com> Steve Hildebrand wrote: I installed Ubuntu 64bit last night, but I > am getting a different problem now. I partitioned off 50gb for /, 200gb > for /home, and the remaining 500gb for /data. I know for a fact I set > the /data as a primary partition on the second install try, but it keeps > showing up as a folder under /. I really want to have that as a > separate drive, like the old IDE has, but the 64bit gpart didn't seem to > recognize the partitions on the IDE while I was installing, so I don't > remember how I set it up last time. Sounds like you misunderstand Unix filesystems. / is the root filesystem, and EVERYTHING installs as a folder/directory under that. The mapping is in your /etc/fstab file. Primary vs secondary partition refers to organization on the disk, and is invisible to the filesystem. Believe me, after awhile you won't miss the a: through z: as separate drives--they only complicate life. The really odd bit is how BIOS has > the usual suspects for first boot device: CD-ROM (I assumed this was > BIOS short hand for "first optical drive I find". Not so.), LS120 (Does > anyone even have one of these anymore? :) ), USB-fdd, USB-zip, > USB-hdd, and waaaaay down at the bottom, off the bottom of the list > requiring a scroll down, my specific drive is listed - HT STDVD-xxx. > Choosing that one got it up and running, but I am not sure if it is a > burner or not at this point. > > 2), 3) & 4) > > Always good advice, even in my case, where everything is brand new. No > secondary SATA DVD drive to check with, however, and my sneaking > suspicion is that I have a DVD RAM. Glad its working now. I seem to recall having had difficulty getting a DVD-RAM to boot at all (I only had one, and it was a few years ago), so you are ahead of the game. A DVD-RAM will say so on the faceplate, if I recall correctly. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From bms at mscis.org Wed Apr 1 13:43:53 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Apr 1 13:45:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> Message-ID: <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jarom Hatch wrote: > Matt Warnock wrote: >> I'd also add this quote from Abraham Lincoln: "Who takes offense >> where none is intended, is a fool. Who takes offense where offense >> *is* intended, is a bigger fool." > > I've seen reference to this quote from President Lincoln, President > Tyler, Confucius and Brigham Young. Don't know who's it really is... > > oh, and I trimmed, and rewrapped the above quote. I'm keeping both quotes because both are needed for context. I've also seen this quote from various places, and this is the first I've heard it's from Abraham Lincoln. I've heard it's from Joseph Smith, too. Nobody has ever had a reference. Since Matt said the words 'this quote', and put quote marks around the quotation, I'm wondering if *he* has a reference. Maybe it's the social science training I've had, but if I say something is a quotation, and I put quotes around it, I feel somewhat obligated to provide an original reference. Does anyone have one? Anyone heard this 'quote' from yet another source? And now that my content is longer than the quoted content, I'm following the rules of netiquette, too! Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknT0ggACgkQx0pgn74qrcJ6KACZAYN+nHZs4BuhI92tMykisPc/ IyEAnjh3pPJeB+o8uhSwbtA28G8yodNn =kFbI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Wed Apr 1 13:44:59 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Apr 1 13:46:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Questions, if the pissing contest is over. In-Reply-To: <49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <49D3D24B.6050409@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matt Warnock wrote: > Don't know if WP referred to WordPerfect or Word Processing generally, > but AFAIK OOo only supports WordPerfect up to version 6. WP Office > 2002 used version 10, and I am faced with converting all those legacy > files with a DOS script. :( I have opened WP Office 2002 (version 10) files with Open Office and converted them without any problems. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknT0ksACgkQx0pgn74qrcLVvgCgvd4Gedd/X93IBJwKj5sRmqVN b5AAn1XNtIbCkKnHxeV59TLYekXGo+5V =3fTe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 14:37:03 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 14:37:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Questions, if the pissing contest is over. In-Reply-To: <49D3D24B.6050409@mscis.org> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D3D24B.6050409@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1238621823.5948.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you i will see if Open Office can find an open my WordPerfect files. jack On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 14:44 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matt Warnock wrote: > > > Don't know if WP referred to WordPerfect or Word Processing generally, > > but AFAIK OOo only supports WordPerfect up to version 6. WP Office > > 2002 used version 10, and I am faced with converting all those legacy > > files with a DOS script. :( > > I have opened WP Office 2002 (version 10) files with Open Office and > converted them without any problems. > > Brandon > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAknT0ksACgkQx0pgn74qrcLVvgCgvd4Gedd/X93IBJwKj5sRmqVN > b5AAn1XNtIbCkKnHxeV59TLYekXGo+5V > =3fTe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 14:40:32 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 14:40:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Questions, if the pissing contest is over. In-Reply-To: <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> Message-ID: <1238622032.5948.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you jack On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 11:41 +0800, kev wrote: > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > Thank you! > > jack > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justin Brinkerhoff" > > To: "Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions" > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 7:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Questions, if the pissing contest is > > over. > > > > > > Yeah, Ubuntu is awesome. Used to be hardcore SuSE, Mandrake and Fedora > > Core, but then once I started playing with Debian and then Ubuntu, I > > realized how much better it was in simplicity and flexibility (at > > least in my opinion ;) ). > > > > Check your /etc/fstab file using nano, or if you want to do it in the > > gui, just use gedit to open it. See if /dev/fda1 (I think that's what > > it is, it's been a while since I've used floppy drives in general :P) > > is listed. > > > > If not, you can mount it there in fstab, or, just mount it when you > > need it by using the mount command. > > > > As far as the WordPerfect wp files, just install openoffice. Go to the > > Terminal and type "sudo apt-get install openoffice". If that returns > > no results, just search apt "sudo apt-cache search openoffice" and > > then use the proper package name. OpenOffice.org support MS Office, > > WordPerfect, etc... Best office suite in the world in my opinion... > > > > BTW, I have the PPA repo for OpenOffice 3.0 if you want it. Ubuntu 8.10 > didn't include 3.0, but I think it is worth upgrading to. > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main > > add to your source.list. > > cheers, > tripzero > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 15:01:20 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:01:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: (re quote) In-Reply-To: <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49D3E430.7030303@ridgecrestherbals.com> Brandon Stout wrote: > I've > also seen this quote from various places, and this is the first I've > heard it's from Abraham Lincoln. I've heard it's from Joseph Smith, > too. Nobody has ever had a reference. Since Matt said the words > 'this quote', and put quote marks around the quotation, I'm wondering > if *he* has a reference. Maybe it's the social science training I've > had, but if I say something is a quotation, and I put quotes around > it, I feel somewhat obligated to provide an original reference. Does > anyone have one? Anyone heard this 'quote' from yet another source? I was going from memory on that one. I had heard it was Abraham Lincoln, but should have cite-checked it. I can't find it in Bartlett's Familiar Quotations. I have since seen it in Google cited to both Confucius and Brigham Young as well. Couldn't quickly find any authoritative source for it. Seems most people that use it are as lazy as me. I don't know that my most recent Napoleon quote is 100% right either (even accounting for translation). I was an attorney in a prior life, so I SHOULD check my citations more carefully. But I didn't. And some of these gems are very hard to track down. Still, the lawyer in me likes to attribute and put quotes around it where I think I'm reasonably close, lest someone think *I* was the author of these gems, which I certainly was not. The fact is, I don't quote epigrams because the source is controlling (or even very persuasive) in any argument-- you could directly quote the Old Testament (accepted as holy scripture by Judaism, Christianity, and Islam alike) citing chapter and verse, and still not win an argument with an epigram, even with the most pious member of any of those faiths. Nobody accepts any authority as universally controlling any more (rightly so), especially in these kinds of forums (not even RFCs). I quote them not because they are controlling, but because I have found these epigrams to be really useful principles for life generally, and helpful in making human relations easier and more humane. The epigram you asked about seems particularly apropos in a "politically correct" world in which it seems many people are looking for any trifling occasion, real or imagined, to take offense. Now really, does that kind of attitude really make a better world for anyone? My personal all-time favorite epigram is from Piet Hein (from the book "Grooks", but again, I'm quoting from memory): "Men," said the Devil, "are good to their brothers-- They don't want to mend their own ways, but each others'." Wish I could find a better citation on the epigram you asked about, but I am coming up dry. Great concept though, isn't it? A truth of the widest application, distilled down into the fewest words. Truly elegant. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 15:06:09 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:06:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> Message-ID: <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> when i open /dev/... i find "0" but clicking on that gives the messages: Could not display "/dev/fd/0" there is no application installed for this file type. is that not the floppy drive? jack From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 15:26:00 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:26:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <49D3E9F8.5090003@ridgecrestherbals.com> jack User wrote: > when i open /dev/... i find "0" but clicking on that gives the messages: > > Could not display "/dev/fd/0" there is no application installed for this > file type. > > is that not the floppy drive? That is the floppy drive in raw mode, sector by sector (not what you want). Look under /media, most distribs automount any floppy whose format they recognize in there. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 15:32:52 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:33:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <49D3E9F8.5090003@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D3E9F8.5090003@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1238625172.8152.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Media showed all the drives EXCEPT the floppy. jack On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:26 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > jack User wrote: > > when i open /dev/... i find "0" but clicking on that gives the messages: > > > > Could not display "/dev/fd/0" there is no application installed for this > > file type. > > > > is that not the floppy drive? > That is the floppy drive in raw mode, sector by sector (not what you > want). Look under /media, most distribs automount any floppy whose > format they recognize in there. > From kdog_1914 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 15:40:23 2009 From: kdog_1914 at hotmail.com (S K ) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:40:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: sata drives? Message-ID: Would anyone have thoughts on what would provide better performance for a main drive... 2 sata 5400 rpm in a software raid 0 or a single 7200? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From remo at italy1.com Wed Apr 1 15:44:45 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:44:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <1238625172.8152.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: Check and see if you have mdos installed then you can do that mdir a: Without having to mount the floppy.... My 2 cents. Remo > From: jack User > Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:32:52 -0600 > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: floppy drive > > Media showed all the drives EXCEPT the floppy. > jack > > On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:26 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: >> jack User wrote: >>> when i open /dev/... i find "0" but clicking on that gives the messages: >>> >>> Could not display "/dev/fd/0" there is no application installed for this >>> file type. >>> >>> is that not the floppy drive? >> That is the floppy drive in raw mode, sector by sector (not what you >> want). Look under /media, most distribs automount any floppy whose >> format they recognize in there. >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49d3ebfb161591804284693! > From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 15:52:13 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:52:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <1238625172.8152.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D3E9F8.5090003@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238625172.8152.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <49D3F01D.1030504@ridgecrestherbals.com> jack User wrote: > Media showed all the drives EXCEPT the floppy. > jack What distribution are you using? Is the floppy properly formatted? Most distribs will ask if an unformatted floppy is inserted. Is there an entry for the floppy drive in /etc/fstab? Need more info to be helpful. Usually, "mount /dev/fd/0 /mnt" will mount the disk (on /mnt) if it is formatted and can be read OK. Brute force command line, but it works. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From remo at italy1.com Wed Apr 1 15:52:33 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:52:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Command difference between whois on mac and whois on linux Message-ID: I found that the whois in my mac gives me more info here is a sample: In LINUX: whois jazzitaly.com [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [whois.verisign-grs.com] Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: JAZZITALY.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: BK.ITALY1.COM Name Server: NS.ITALY1.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 27-mar-2009 Creation Date: 30-oct-1999 Expiration Date: 30-oct-2015 In my mac: whois jazzitaly.com Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: JAZZITALY.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: BK.ITALY1.COM Name Server: NS.ITALY1.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 27-mar-2009 Creation Date: 30-oct-1999 Expiration Date: 30-oct-2015 >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:50:21 UTC <<< Registrant: Jazz Viaggi & Vacanze s.n.c. Piazza della Liberta 11 Spoleto, 06049 Italy Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: JAZZITALY.COM Created on: 30-Oct-99 Expires on: 30-Oct-15 Last Updated on: 27-Mar-09 Administrative Contact: mattei, remo remo@italy1.com via della liberta' spoleto, 06049 Italy +39 0743 221818 Technical Contact: mattei, remo remo@italy1.com via della liberta' spoleto, 06049 Italy +39 0743 221818 Domain servers in listed order: BK.ITALY1.COM NS.ITALY1.COM So my question does anyone know what additional options does the mac take? I would love to find out what makes it different. Remo From kwalker at kobran.org Wed Apr 1 15:53:35 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:53:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1238626415.4573.17.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:06 -0600, jack User wrote: > when i open /dev/... i find "0" but clicking on that gives the messages: > > Could not display "/dev/fd/0" there is no application installed for this > file type. Ah the joys of the GUI. > is that not the floppy drive? In a word, no. /dev/fd is a "file descriptor", and /dev/fd/0, 1, and 2 are standard in, standard out, and standard error. Completely not what you want. The raw device for the floppy drive was /dev/fd0 (Not /dev/fd/0) last I looked (And that's been a while), but you don't generally want to play with the raw device. On the modern Linux distros I've used, HAL automatically mounts disks that are inserted and puts them into /media/(volume label). HAL runs as root but often times the mounted volumes will be owned by the user that HAL mounted the disks for. If the floppy doesn't auto-mount, you can try using a disk management application (On my system it's Applications -> System Tools -> Disk Management) or if you're like me and mounting the floppy is the least of the things you want to worry about right now, you can open a terminal (Don't cringe) and type: gnome-mount -d /dev/fd0 And the drive should show up on your desktop. You can then close the terminal window. Just be sure to right-click and Eject or Unmount the drive before you hit the eject button on the drive or things could get ugly. -KW From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 15:55:07 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:55:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1238626507.5954.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> no mdos found jack On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:44 -0600, Remo Mattei wrote: > Check and see if you have mdos installed then you can do that mdir a: > Without having to mount the floppy.... > > My 2 cents. > > Remo > > > > From: jack User > > Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > > Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:32:52 -0600 > > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: floppy drive > > > > Media showed all the drives EXCEPT the floppy. > > jack > > > > On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:26 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > >> jack User wrote: > >>> when i open /dev/... i find "0" but clicking on that gives the messages: > >>> > >>> Could not display "/dev/fd/0" there is no application installed for this > >>> file type. > >>> > >>> is that not the floppy drive? > >> That is the floppy drive in raw mode, sector by sector (not what you > >> want). Look under /media, most distribs automount any floppy whose > >> format they recognize in there. > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > !DSPAM:49d3ebfb161591804284693! > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 15:58:05 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:58:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <49D3F01D.1030504@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D3E9F8.5090003@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238625172.8152.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D3F01D.1030504@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1238626685.5954.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> U 8.10 jack@ubuntu:~$ find mdos find: `mdos': No such file or directory jack@ubuntu:~$ locate mdos jack@ubuntu:~$ mount /dev/fd/0 /mnt mount: only root can do that jack@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/fd/0 /mnt [sudo] password for jack: mount: /dev/pts/0 is not a block device jack@ubuntu:~$ jack@ubuntu:~$ jack PS i really don't need to do this but would love to know how to find a file on a floppy just in case On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:52 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > jack User wrote: > > Media showed all the drives EXCEPT the floppy. > > jack > > What distribution are you using? > > Is the floppy properly formatted? Most distribs will ask if an > unformatted floppy is inserted. > > Is there an entry for the floppy drive in /etc/fstab? > > Need more info to be helpful. > > Usually, "mount /dev/fd/0 /mnt" will mount the disk (on /mnt) if it is > formatted and can be read OK. Brute force command line, but it works. From dave at thesmithfam.org Wed Apr 1 15:58:07 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:58:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jarom Hatch wrote: > >> Matt Warnock wrote: >> >>> I'd also add this quote from Abraham Lincoln: "Who takes offense >>> where none is intended, is a fool. Who takes offense where offense >>> *is* intended, is a bigger fool." >>> >> I've seen reference to this quote from President Lincoln, President >> Tyler, Confucius and Brigham Young. Don't know who's it really is... >> >> oh, and I trimmed, and rewrapped the above quote. Google thinks it was Brigham Young: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/132593 --Dave From remo at italy1.com Wed Apr 1 16:01:29 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:01:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <1238626507.5954.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: Install it :) remo > From: jack User > Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:55:07 -0600 > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: floppy drive > > no mdos found > > jack > > On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:44 -0600, Remo Mattei wrote: >> Check and see if you have mdos installed then you can do that mdir a: >> Without having to mount the floppy.... >> >> My 2 cents. >> >> Remo >> >> >>> From: jack User >>> Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions >>> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:32:52 -0600 >>> To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions >>> Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: floppy drive >>> >>> Media showed all the drives EXCEPT the floppy. >>> jack >>> >>> On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:26 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: >>>> jack User wrote: >>>>> when i open /dev/... i find "0" but clicking on that gives the messages: >>>>> >>>>> Could not display "/dev/fd/0" there is no application installed for this >>>>> file type. >>>>> >>>>> is that not the floppy drive? >>>> That is the floppy drive in raw mode, sector by sector (not what you >>>> want). Look under /media, most distribs automount any floppy whose >>>> format they recognize in there. >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49d3f118177632058517620! > From remo at italy1.com Wed Apr 1 16:05:38 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:05:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <1238626685.5954.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: Install mtools > From: jack User > Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:58:05 -0600 > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: floppy drive > > U 8.10 > jack@ubuntu:~$ find mdos > find: `mdos': No such file or directory > jack@ubuntu:~$ locate mdos > jack@ubuntu:~$ mount /dev/fd/0 /mnt > mount: only root can do that > jack@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/fd/0 /mnt > [sudo] password for jack: > mount: /dev/pts/0 is not a block device > jack@ubuntu:~$ > jack@ubuntu:~$ > > jack > PS i really don't need to do this but would love to know how to find a > file on a floppy just in case > > > > > On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:52 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: >> jack User wrote: >>> Media showed all the drives EXCEPT the floppy. >>> jack >> >> What distribution are you using? >> >> Is the floppy properly formatted? Most distribs will ask if an >> unformatted floppy is inserted. >> >> Is there an entry for the floppy drive in /etc/fstab? >> >> Need more info to be helpful. >> >> Usually, "mount /dev/fd/0 /mnt" will mount the disk (on /mnt) if it is >> formatted and can be read OK. Brute force command line, but it works. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49d3f1c2178611422710714! > From sjansen at buscaluz.org Wed Apr 1 16:19:06 2009 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:19:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:58 -0600, Dave Smith wrote: > Google thinks it was Brigham Young: > > http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/132593 Google also think you're a masonry contractor. http://www.qalias.com/view_profile/Dave/H/Smith/831/0/ -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 16:52:08 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:52:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <1238626415.4573.17.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238626415.4573.17.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Message-ID: <49D3FE28.9000002@ridgecrestherbals.com> Knight Walker wrote: > The raw device for the floppy drive was /dev/fd0 (Not /dev/fd/0) last I > looked (And that's been a while), but you don't generally want to play > with the raw device. Good correction. It was of course /dev/fd0 I was thinking of-- I was not even aware of /dev/fd/* as file descriptors, having never used the /dev/fd/* entries in all these years. Learn something new all the time. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 17:01:45 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:01:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <49D3FE28.9000002@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238626415.4573.17.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> <49D3FE28.9000002@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1238630505.8208.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> another question for you Ubuntu gurus: a few days ago i installed Xlog (logging software for ham radio) it bombed 3 times in one session, loosing data each time. i removed it "completely" but can find "xlog" files in several places using "locate xlog" how do i know that i am removing the right files and how do i actually delete them in U 8.10? thanks jack On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 17:52 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > Knight Walker wrote: > > > The raw device for the floppy drive was /dev/fd0 (Not /dev/fd/0) last I > > looked (And that's been a while), but you don't generally want to play > > with the raw device. > > Good correction. It was of course /dev/fd0 I was thinking of-- I was > not even aware of /dev/fd/* as file descriptors, having never used the > /dev/fd/* entries in all these years. Learn something new all the time. From homerj79 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:15:30 2009 From: homerj79 at gmail.com (Russ) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:15:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Command difference between whois on mac and whois on linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31e8ff2a0904011715u2268660doa6167d910892946e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > I found that the whois in my mac gives me more info here is a sample: > --snip-- > So my question does anyone know what additional options does the mac take? > I > would love to find out what makes it different. > > Remo > > Generally speaking, whois on Linux was written from scratch (sue me if I'm wrong here) and mimics the interface of the BSD (aka Mac) whois, but is an all new program. 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090401/5a122ecc/attachment.html From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 17:17:16 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:17:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <1238630505.8208.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238626415.4573.17.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> <49D3FE28.9000002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238630505.8208.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <49D4040C.6030605@ridgecrestherbals.com> jack User wrote: > another question for you Ubuntu gurus: > > a few days ago i installed Xlog (logging software for ham radio) > it bombed 3 times in one session, loosing data each time. > > i removed it "completely" but can find "xlog" files in several places > using "locate xlog" Did you use "apt-get remove --purge xlog"? Otherwise it will leave config files (and maybe log files as well). -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From jon at jonfullmer.com Wed Apr 1 17:18:32 2009 From: jon at jonfullmer.com (Jon Fullmer) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:18:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [OT] - Residential upload bandwidth > 800 Kbps? Message-ID: I know this isn't strictly Linux-related, but then neither was the last major thread. ;-) I've been using Qwest's ADSL service for a long time now, and the 800 Kbps upload speed is really starting to show its age. Qwest released some new services recently, but sadly, even though I qualify for them, they STILL only have 800 Kbps upload. Yes, you lucky, lucky UTOPIA people. I know what you're going to tell me. Sadly, Cottonwood Heights has declined on that infrastructure, so that's not an option, either. Do any of you know of any other services (i.e., DSL, wireless, fiber, etc.) that might be an option? Thanks! - Jon From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 17:26:43 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:26:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <49D4040C.6030605@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238626415.4573.17.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> <49D3FE28.9000002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238630505.8208.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D4040C.6030605@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1238632003.9125.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> no, i used Synaptic will do as you indicate. thank you jack On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 18:17 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > jack User wrote: > > another question for you Ubuntu gurus: > > > > a few days ago i installed Xlog (logging software for ham radio) > > it bombed 3 times in one session, loosing data each time. > > > > i removed it "completely" but can find "xlog" files in several places > > using "locate xlog" > > Did you use "apt-get remove --purge xlog"? Otherwise it will leave > config files (and maybe log files as well). From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 17:29:41 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:29:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: floppy drive In-Reply-To: <49D4040C.6030605@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <001001c9b27e$a5286080$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> <49D2E251.7010207@nextabyte.com> <1238623569.6976.3.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238626415.4573.17.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> <49D3FE28.9000002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238630505.8208.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D4040C.6030605@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1238632181.9125.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> boy do i like that apt-get remove. it is much, much "smarter" than anything i learned years ago in DOS! thank you jack On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 18:17 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > jack User wrote: > > another question for you Ubuntu gurus: > > > > a few days ago i installed Xlog (logging software for ham radio) > > it bombed 3 times in one session, loosing data each time. > > > > i removed it "completely" but can find "xlog" files in several places > > using "locate xlog" > > Did you use "apt-get remove --purge xlog"? Otherwise it will leave > config files (and maybe log files as well). From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 17:35:12 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:35:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [OT] - Residential upload bandwidth > 800 Kbps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D40840.5010008@ridgecrestherbals.com> Jon Fullmer wrote: > Do any of you know of any other services (i.e., DSL, wireless, fiber, > etc.) that might be an option? I'm currently using Utah Broadband (microwave dish to the Ochres): http://www.utahbroadband.com/ Speedtest.net just showed 3.81 mbps down, .49 up. I thought upload was usually better than that, but this is the worst time of day to test. Or maybe that's the best it gets, and its no better than whatcha got. Qwest is telling me I now have fiber in my neighborhood (Sandy) but until recently at 18000 ft from the CO, even DSL has not been an option. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From masterclc at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:53:46 2009 From: masterclc at gmail.com (Chad) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:53:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: sata drives? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50d35b690904011753j5ca27f4j5149dac00e537362@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:40 PM, S K wrote: > Would anyone have thoughts on what would provide better performance for a main drive... ? 2 sata 5400 rpm in a software raid 0 or a single 7200? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Purely speculating I'd guess the higher spindle speed would be faster than a software RAID solution using slower spindles. In my view it's the bottle neck problem, but presented with fancier arguments. At the end of the day though, you are still talking about a slower drive (even though it's in an array). In other words, your RAID 0 won't provide you 10,800 RPMs, it's still 5400 RPMs regardless of how you spin in. -Chad From bms at mscis.org Wed Apr 1 17:53:46 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:55:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [OT] - Residential upload bandwidth > 800 Kbps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D40C9A.8090802@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jon Fullmer wrote: > I know this isn't strictly Linux-related, but then neither was the > last major thread. ;-) > > I've been using Qwest's ADSL service for a long time now, and the 800 > Kbps upload speed is really starting to show its age. Qwest released > some new services recently, but sadly, even though I qualify for them, > they STILL only have 800 Kbps upload. I felt the same way about Qwest's upload. Ridiculous that even their business package has that limit. I live on a street with not even Qwest available (partly because it's a new house), and I went with Digis. They have been great, except when I need to download 4+ gigs for new Linux distributions - then I have to spread it out over a couple days. If you decide to go with them, tell them I referred you because I think I'll get a bonus. Go to Digis.net for information on their packages. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknUDJoACgkQx0pgn74qrcKMCACgmBPQMg0oRRimdoBRCQuz945A uZkAnjZcM7TVwHPfC0540DA8Ns3RJhc4 =2nl/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Wed Apr 1 18:50:46 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:52:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D419F6.8010100@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:58 -0600, Dave Smith wrote: > >> Google thinks it was Brigham Young: >> >> http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/132593 >> > > Google also think you're a masonry contractor. > > http://www.qalias.com/view_profile/Dave/H/Smith/831/0/ Stuart, you're awesome. That's precisely my point. Before I replied before asking if anyone has an original source, I ran some google searches. Using the first part of the quote, as found on the page Dave referenced, the number one hit says it's Confucious. That's assuming the quote is exactly right. Do a key word search, and you get even more variety. I've heard it end with "probably a fool" and with "an even greater fool". If Brigham Young said it, was he quoting someone else? Was he stating a normal Cliche common to that time? Whatever the case, Google doesn't say it's any one of the many people that I find when I search for variants of that statement about fools. I agree it's a good statement, but would love to see an original source. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknUGfYACgkQx0pgn74qrcIK3ACeLsKbgGOQm+tFvxt/AesDFTuG gDQAnj90V88V6KFSSdEe9Xga2qj9y3nf =8VIC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Wed Apr 1 19:55:46 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Apr 1 19:57:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: (re quote) In-Reply-To: <49D3E430.7030303@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> <49D3E430.7030303@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <49D42932.5060603@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matt Warnock wrote: > I was going from memory on that one... Seems most people that use > it are as lazy as me.... > > ...some of these gems are very hard to track down. Still, the lawyer > in me likes to attribute and put quotes around it where I think I'm > reasonably close, lest someone think *I* was the author of these > gems, which I certainly was not. I didn't mean to pick on you in particular for your quote usage. I'm mainly just curious what the source is. It is good you didn't try to claim that quote for yourself... I'd have definitely called you on that one :). > I have found these epigrams to be really useful principles for life > generally, and helpful in making human relations easier and more > humane. The epigram you asked about seems particularly apropos in a > "politically correct" world in which it seems many people are > looking for any trifling occasion, real or imagined, to take > offense. Now really, does that kind of attitude really make a > better world for anyone? True. I think the statement rings true, whatever it's source. Perhaps it was just a common phrase that lots of people said for that very reason. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknUKTIACgkQx0pgn74qrcLLZQCdH+TOBQcjQJ/FQ8PLY4j6PuYz F+IAniyT27E02NQoAvUma5/G7T0ufIUA =CujM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 20:37:07 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 20:37:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: <49D419F6.8010100@mscis.org> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D419F6.8010100@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49D432E3.9080801@ridgecrestherbals.com> Brandon Stout wrote: > Stuart, you're awesome. That's precisely my point. Before I replied > before asking if anyone has an original source, I ran some google > searches. Using the first part of the quote, as found on the page Dave > referenced, the number one hit says it's Confucious. That's assuming > the quote is exactly right. Do a key word search, and you get even more > variety. I've heard it end with "probably a fool" and with "an even > greater fool". If Brigham Young said it, was he quoting someone else? > Was he stating a normal Cliche common to that time? Whatever the case, > Google doesn't say it's any one of the many people that I find when I > search for variants of that statement about fools. I agree it's a good > statement, but would love to see an original source. I agree, the reference Stuart found has extra detail not usually found in the other cites, which gives every indication of accurately quoting an original source. I wish the page said exactly what that source is, though. If it was a common cliche, it would have come up much more frequently, so I doubt that is the case. As to whether the concept came from an earlier source, I wouldn't be at all surprised. I see attributions of similar concepts to Confucius and Socrates (though with less detail, so perhaps wrongly), and I wouldn't be surprised to see Brigham Young adopt and restate ideas from either of these, or from rabbinical sources like Hillel or Gamaliel either. The trick is to find the right key words to reveal the underlying source, but it isn't easy. Thanks and kudos to Stuart for finding this version. Anybody got an LDS library that might give us a bibliographic reference? -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From sinuhe at gnu.org Wed Apr 1 21:11:07 2009 From: sinuhe at gnu.org (D. E. Evans) Date: Wed Apr 1 21:11:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:37:07 -0600 <49D432E3.9080801@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D419F6.8010100@mscis.org> <49D432E3.9080801@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: Thanks and kudos to Stuart for finding this version. Anybody got an LDS library that might give us a bibliographic reference? Most Brigham Young quotes come from family diaries (I'll check mine for you when I have a chance), or most commonly the Journal of Discourses. This is online, in text format (last I checked), so you should be able to grep for it. Other sources are going to be random, but an uncle of mine wrote an extensive index of LDS Conference reports that I'll reference, too. From u235sentinel at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 21:21:24 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Wed Apr 1 21:21:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: sata drives? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D43D44.4060802@gmail.com> S K wrote: > Would anyone have thoughts on what would provide better performance for a main drive... 2 sata 5400 rpm in a software raid 0 or a single 7200? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > __________________________________________________________ I'm guessing a 7200. But some are slightly better than other's. I would recommend checking toms hardware and see what they found. I'm also looking at toms for RAID 5 controllers that are supported by linux. I guess I'm going with the Promise TX4's. At least I know I can do a software RAID but still not finding anything for hardware RAID under $100. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 21:40:32 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 21:40:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D419F6.8010100@mscis.org> <49D432E3.9080801@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <49D441C0.1090009@ridgecrestherbals.com> D. E. Evans wrote: > Most Brigham Young quotes come from family diaries (I'll check > mine for you when I have a chance), or most commonly the Journal > of Discourses. This is online, in text format (last I checked), > so you should be able to grep for it. Other sources are going > to be random, but an uncle of mine wrote an extensive index of > LDS Conference reports that I'll reference, too. A JD search came up empty, which surprised me. I did turn this up-- don't have context to know if MDH was quoting or paraphrasing BY or not. But it's something. Speaker Hanks, Marion D. Subject Communication Quote He who takes offense when no offense was intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense was intended is usually a fool. Citation CR Oct. 1973, p. 16, col. 1 Year 1973 Month October Collection Name LDS Conference Quotes -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From dave at thesmithfam.org Wed Apr 1 21:43:50 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Wed Apr 1 21:43:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D44286.6090503@thesmithfam.org> Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:58 -0600, Dave Smith wrote: > >> Google thinks it was Brigham Young: >> >> http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/132593 >> > > Google also think you're a masonry contractor. > > http://www.qalias.com/view_profile/Dave/H/Smith/831/0/ I'm not nearly manly enough to be a masonry worker. Google should have known that. --Dave From sinuhe at gnu.org Wed Apr 1 22:06:12 2009 From: sinuhe at gnu.org (D. E. Evans) Date: Wed Apr 1 22:06:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Offense quote Message-ID: don't have context to know if MDH was quoting or paraphrasing BY or not. A year or two ago, I went through my quotes archive for my website, and removed everything I couldn't identify an actual reference for, either validated at a library, or my own library. In the end, most of the quotes on my website currently are from my own library. The moral here is apocraphyl references are more likely a meme without a single source, (or an unidentifiable single source). A look through my library turned up nothing for the offense quote, (though I found attribution given to Ben Franklin, Confucious, and a dozen others). Since this is off-topic (I've changed the "Subject:"), I'll take further replies off-list. From allen.schultz at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 22:18:54 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Wed Apr 1 22:18:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [OT] - Residential upload bandwidth > 800 Kbps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3f34f8420904012218i4251a5ceid65708c21f2e1d4c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Jon Fullmer wrote: > I've been using Qwest's ADSL service for a long time now, and the 800 Kbps > upload speed is really starting to show its age. Qwest released some new > services recently, but sadly, even though I qualify for them, they STILL > only have 800 Kbps upload. > > Yes, you lucky, lucky UTOPIA people. I know what you're going to tell me. > Sadly, Cottonwood Heights has declined on that infrastructure, so that's not > an option, either. Saldy, Salt Lake City Downtown has not allowed Utopia either. But I would love to have this 800 kbps upload. I only have a 256 kbps upload. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 1 22:20:14 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 1 22:20:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: sata drives? In-Reply-To: <49D43D44.4060802@gmail.com> References: <49D43D44.4060802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D44B0E.5050403@ridgecrestherbals.com> > S K wrote: >> Would anyone have thoughts on what would provide better performance >> for a main drive... 2 sata 5400 rpm in a software raid 0 or a single >> 7200? I'm out of my depth here, and will defer to the hardware types, but I'd guess the Raid0, for the following reasons: 1) 7200 is 33% faster than 5400 rpm, assuming that spinning the disk to to get the data under the head is the primary constraint, and that all other specs (buffer size/speed, seek times, and sustained transfer rates) are equal. 2) Two 5400s can get the same quantity of data under the heads in half the time as one (100% faster than a single drive, or 50% faster than a 7200), ignoring RAID0 software overhead. Since the software overhead should run separate DMA channels, there is no parity calculations, and the disk's onboard controllers do most of the heavy lifting, I would not expect the software overhead to be huge, but I welcome anyone who really knows. 3) Two buffers of size N, on two channels, will have twice the throughput on cache hits, and twice the likelihood of a cache hit (at random seeks), compared to the same cache size N on a single drive. 4) If the SATA channel throughput is the constraint for sustained reads, then two channels would be faster than one, but I don't think any but newest high-performance 15000 rpm drives can max out even a SATA-1 at 150 mB/sec, so I doubt this applies. 5) If head movement is the constraint, it seem to me that a striped arrangement moves both heads substantially in sync, so no diff I can see there. Obviously the RAID0 has twice the parts to fail (which does not double the risk of failure, if I am thinking right, but does increase it) and twice the power burn, but you asked only which would be fastest. Can anyone shed more light? Are these assumptions way off base? -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 08:09:53 2009 From: stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com (Steve Hildebrand) Date: Thu Apr 2 08:10:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Stuff In-Reply-To: <200904012204.n31M49PE010859@sllug.org> References: <200904012204.n31M49PE010859@sllug.org> Message-ID: <134908.18506.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the follow-up! Sounds like you misunderstand Unix filesystems. / is the root filesystem, and EVERYTHING installs as a folder/directory under that. The mapping is in your /etc/fstab file. Primary vs secondary partition refers to organization on the disk, and is invisible to the filesystem. Believe me, after awhile you won't miss the a: through z: as separate drives--they only complicate life. No, I get that, but on my old IDE, the seperate partition shows up as a mountable drive. I don't recall specifically naming it, so Kubuntu defaulted to '216g media'. I probably set that up with Kubuntu 7.04, however, so likely Ubuntu does it differently. If I format it without specifiying a mount point during install, would it do the same thing? It's not critical to operations or anything, just a little easier to access as a mountable drive than digging through folder structures to find it every time, even with symlinks. Would it be recognized as a seperate drive if I specified /media/ when setting it up? I guess I could set it up as a regular folder, then drop it into Nautilus as a bookmark... Glad its working now. I seem to recall having had difficulty getting a DVD-RAM to boot at all (I only had one, and it was a few years ago), so you are ahead of the game. A DVD-RAM will say so on the faceplate, if I recall correctly. Yeah, I thought it would too. I checked and double checked the listing on Newegg, and it claims to be a burner, but no mention of dual layer or anything, just 22x DVD+R -R. It was pretty inexpensive, so if I have to get another and use this one for watching movies or something, that won't be a huge loss. I will just put the old IDE dual layer burner in from the last computer and call it even. Specs say: LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD?R DVD Burner - OEM So it should do just about anything I need. I will see about burning some data tonight to test it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I format it without > specifiying a mount point during install, would it do the same thing? > It's not critical to operations or anything, just a little easier to > access as a mountable drive than digging through folder structures to > find it every time, even with symlinks. Would it be recognized as a > seperate drive if I specified /media/ when setting it up? I > guess I could set it up as a regular folder, then drop it into > Nautilus as a bookmark... So you want it to show up on your desktop? Fair enough. I am curious why you don't use symlinks though. Nautilus bookmarks are nice and work great in file dialogs, but if you want it to show as a folder on the desktop, why not make a link to it on your desktop? -KW From sllug at fungusmovies.com Thu Apr 2 09:58:50 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Thu Apr 2 09:58:56 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Command difference between whois on mac and whois on linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8bcade370904020958q105ff244kbce4fd5109417ec2@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > So my question does anyone know what additional options does the mac take? I > would love to find out what makes it different. The difference isn't in the implementation of the command. The difference is the results returned by the whois server. In your Linux example, you were querying whois.verisign-grs.com. In your Mac example it didn't show the server queried, but it is unlikely to be the same as your Linux query. Try a different whois server by running "whois -h whois.crsnic.net jazzitaly.com" --lonnie From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Thu Apr 2 10:12:30 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Thu Apr 2 10:12:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Stuff In-Reply-To: <134908.18506.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200904012204.n31M49PE010859@sllug.org> <134908.18506.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D4F1FE.4050600@ridgecrestherbals.com> Steve Hildebrand wrote: > No, I get that, but on my old IDE, the seperate partition shows up as a > mountable drive. I don't recall specifically naming it, so Kubuntu > defaulted to '216g media'. I probably set that up with Kubuntu 7.04, > however, so likely Ubuntu does it differently. If I format it without > specifiying a mount point during install, would it do the same thing? Methinks it would format the partition, but without creating a mount point or fstab entry for it. > It's not critical to operations or anything, just a little easier to > access as a mountable drive than digging through folder structures to > find it every time, even with symlinks. Would it be recognized as a > seperate drive if I specified /media/ when setting it up? I guess > I could set it up as a regular folder, then drop it into Nautilus as a > bookmark... Just to clarify, its a mountable partition, not a drive, I still don't know how many actual drives you may have, other than the 2 you've mentioned. And it still should be mountable. Use "fdisk -l" to list all the partitions on all drives. The partition should be /dev/sdaX, where X is the number of the partition, 1-4 are primary and 5+ are secondary, on the first drive (assuming that's the hard disk). Second drive will be /dev/sdbX, and so on. If the partition is there, and formatted correctly, you should be able to mount it using the "mount" command as root, eg. "sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 /mnt", and it should show up mounted under /mnt (if it's a ext3 partition 3, and ext3 is the default on 8.10 and probably under Kubuntu as well, unless you told it otherwise). If that works, you can then put an entry in /etc/fstab to mount it automatically when you boot, in whatever directory you want. Most distribs now use disklabels or UUID identifiers rather than the older /dev/sdaX for most disk partitions in /etc/fstab, but the old-school /dev/sd* labels still work fine. If you want it only mounted when you ask it to, put noauto in the options field, otherwise put "defaults". Historically /mnt was a place for temporary mounts, /media/* is a newer place for removable media, but you can mount it in any directory that exists (even ovver the top of existing data, if you want). > Glad its working now. I seem to recall having had difficulty getting a > DVD-RAM to boot at all (I only had one, and it was a few years ago), so > you are ahead of the game. A DVD-RAM will say so on the faceplate, if I > recall correctly. > > Yeah, I thought it would too. I checked and double checked the listing > on Newegg, and it claims to be a burner, but no mention of dual layer or > anything, just 22x DVD+R -R. It was pretty inexpensive, so if I have to > get another and use this one for watching movies or something, that > won't be a huge loss. I will just put the old IDE dual layer burner in > from the last computer and call it even. > Specs say: LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) > DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM > 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD?R DVD Burner - OEM So it should do just about > anything I need. I will see about burning some data tonight to test it. Hm, I think I just installed some of those myself, one in a new Windows XP machines at work, the other in a Debian server, and haven't tested the write function on either. I'll have to do that now. But they both booted OK under either Windows or Debian CDs. Haven't tried a DVD boot, never use them, though I want to try a recent Knoppix DVD. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From white.armor at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 15:57:31 2009 From: white.armor at gmail.com (Jordan Schatz) Date: Thu Apr 2 15:58:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Introduction Message-ID: <20090402225731.GA7617@falcon> Hello! I and my wife have recently moved to Salt Lake and I thought I would introduce myself. My specialty is Debian, and using open source software and open data standards in small businesses; I also enjoy programing and have tinkered in pascal, php, and scheme. 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UTOSC 2009 Theme Affordability, Scalability, Reliability (See the image and full story at http://blog.utos.org) Now that you have seen the theme for UTOSC 2009. Let?s talk about the three tenets of the UTOSC 2009 theme. Affordability Affordability doesn?t just mean cost, it also means value. Free and open source software (FOSS) provides this value. Not only in it?s low costs (aka free as in beer), but in it?s maintenance costs being only those of expertise. No contracts to sign, no company to ask for improvements, and value added because you can make the change yourself. In addition, because expertise is generally the only cost, companies that use free software won?t feel locked in when looking for support options. Scalability Scalability means many things to many people: flexibility of costs, software load management, ability to grow without complication, and many more. Scalability makes things better. Free and open source software provides solutions in every area from customer management to security, and simple applications to complex environments. Because code is so easy to view and change, FOSS has the most flexible, scalable solutions around. Reliability Reliability is among the most important components in free and open source software. The number of eyes looking at the code, and the community that helps make the software, provides a paradigm which sets FOSS apart. Being able to make changes and have a community willing to test the software makes it more reliable and solid. If you want reliability, you go with free and open source software, its community of developers, testers, and users. These three components of the Utah Open Source Conference 2009 will excite the mind, challenge the soul and ultimately improve free and open source software. We at the Utah Open Source Foundation look forward to seeing your presentation, thoughts and enjoyment of this theme during the upcoming UTOSC 2009. See you all at the Utah Open Source Conference 2009. Watch for the announcement of the venue and conference dates in the next couple days. Cheers, Clint Savage Founder, Utah Open Source Foundation http://2009.utosc.com | http://utos.org Follow us on identi.ca - http://identi.ca/utos From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 2 17:46:35 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Thu Apr 2 17:46:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Introduction In-Reply-To: <20090402225731.GA7617@falcon> References: <20090402225731.GA7617@falcon> Message-ID: <1238719595.8919.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> welcome Jordan, i need all the help i can get! jack On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:57 -0600, Jordan Schatz wrote: > Hello! > > I and my wife have recently moved to Salt Lake and I thought I would > introduce myself. My specialty is Debian, and using open source software > and open data standards in small businesses; I also enjoy programing and > have tinkered in pascal, php, and scheme. I hope I can contribute in a > useful manner, and would be glad to help setup/install systems or give > my two cents about using open source tools in a small business. > > Shalom, > Jordan > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My specialty is Debian, and using open source software > and open data standards in small businesses; I also enjoy programing and > have tinkered in pascal, php, and scheme. I hope I can contribute in a > useful manner, and would be glad to help setup/install systems or give > my two cents about using open source tools in a small business. > > Shalom, > Jordan > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 2 17:53:32 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Thu Apr 2 17:53:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Stuff In-Reply-To: <49D4F1FE.4050600@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200904012204.n31M49PE010859@sllug.org> <134908.18506.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D4F1FE.4050600@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1238720012.8919.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Matt, i just followed your direction to use fdisk -l and got the following: Cannot open /dev/sda Cannot open /dev/sdb Cannot open /dev/sdc the HD was formatted by Windows XP in the more modern format, can't recall the 4 letters. jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090403/dad7b5be/attachment.html From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Fri Apr 3 09:26:04 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:26:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Stuff In-Reply-To: <1238720012.8919.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200904012204.n31M49PE010859@sllug.org> <134908.18506.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D4F1FE.4050600@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238720012.8919.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <49D6389C.7070908@ridgecrestherbals.com> jack User wrote: > Matt, > i just followed your direction to use > fdisk -l > and got the following: > > Cannot open /dev/sda > Cannot open /dev/sdb > Cannot open /dev/sdc Should have mentioned you need to do that as root. Put "sudo " in front of it or "su -" and give password to change to root. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From bms at flfn.org Wed Apr 1 13:24:40 2009 From: bms at flfn.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:44:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Questions, if the pissing contest is over. In-Reply-To: <49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <49D3CD88.6080905@flfn.org> Matt Warnock wrote: > Don't know if WP referred to WordPerfect or Word Processing generally, > but AFAIK OOo only supports WordPerfect up to version 6. WP Office > 2002 used version 10, and I am faced with converting all those legacy > files with a DOS script. :( I have opened WP Office 2002 (version 10) files with Open Office and converted them without any problems. Brandon From bms at flfn.org Wed Apr 1 17:52:55 2009 From: bms at flfn.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:44:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [OT] - Residential upload bandwidth > 800 Kbps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D40C67.4080107@flfn.org> Jon Fullmer wrote: > I know this isn't strictly Linux-related, but then neither was the > last major thread. ;-) > > I've been using Qwest's ADSL service for a long time now, and the 800 > Kbps upload speed is really starting to show its age. Qwest released > some new services recently, but sadly, even though I qualify for them, > they STILL only have 800 Kbps upload. I felt the same way about Qwest's upload. Ridiculous that even their business package has that limit. I live on a street with not even Qwest available (partly because it's a new house), and I went with Digis. They have been great, except when I need to download 4+ gigs for new Linux distributions - then I have to spread it out over a couple days. If you decide to go with them, tell them I referred you because I think I'll get a bonus. Go to Digis.net for information on their packages. Brandon From bms at flfn.org Wed Apr 1 18:50:01 2009 From: bms at flfn.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:44:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: netiquette: top posting In-Reply-To: <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238437998.3596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D1151B.30408@unum5.org> <49D122D1.7070706@mscis.org> <49D199E6.4060002@ridgecrestherbals.com> <3f34f8420903302141p7caf874bqb9e128d8cc6cb94c@mail.gmail.com> <49D1AD12.80107@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D263F6.3090108@azza.com> <49D3D209.2000507@mscis.org> <49D3F17F.8040308@thesmithfam.org> <1238627946.3561.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D419C9.2050204@flfn.org> Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 16:58 -0600, Dave Smith wrote: > >> Google thinks it was Brigham Young: >> >> http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/132593 >> > > Google also think you're a masonry contractor. > > http://www.qalias.com/view_profile/Dave/H/Smith/831/0/ > Stuart, you're awesome. That's precisely my point. Before I replied before asking if anyone has an original source, I ran some google searches. Using the first part of the quote, as found on the page Dave referenced, the number one hit says it's Confucious. That's assuming the quote is exactly right. Do a key word search, and you get even more variety. I've heard it end with "probably a fool" and with "an even greater fool". If Brigham Young said it, was he quoting someone else? Was he stating a normal Cliche common to that time? Whatever the case, Google doesn't say it's any one of the many people that I find when I search for variants of that statement about fools. I agree it's a good statement, but would love to see an original source. Brandon From brent at air2data.com Fri Apr 3 09:52:39 2009 From: brent at air2data.com (Brent Wilkinson) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:52:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Questions, if the pissing contest is over. In-Reply-To: <49D3CD88.6080905@flfn.org> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D3CD88.6080905@flfn.org> Message-ID: <001401c9b47c$9a555dc0$cf001940$@com> I have opened up all popular word processor apps with open office with the exception of lotus word pad. That requires you to download there free word processor to open there old files. Thanks Brent Air2Data -----Original Message----- From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Stout Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:25 PM To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Questions, if the pissing contest is over. Matt Warnock wrote: > Don't know if WP referred to WordPerfect or Word Processing generally, > but AFAIK OOo only supports WordPerfect up to version 6. WP Office > 2002 used version 10, and I am faced with converting all those legacy > files with a DOS script. :( I have opened WP Office 2002 (version 10) files with Open Office and converted them without any problems. Brandon ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Fri Apr 3 10:06:43 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Fri Apr 3 10:06:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: WP10 to OOo conversion In-Reply-To: <49D3CD88.6080905@flfn.org> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D3CD88.6080905@flfn.org> Message-ID: <49D64223.8080704@ridgecrestherbals.com> Brandon Stout wrote: > I have opened WP Office 2002 (version 10) files with Open Office and > converted them without any problems. Changed the subject line since the topic has shifted on this. I tried opening a random WP10 document under OOo 2.4 (Ubuntu 8.10) and it crashed the entire suite, taking down all other open documents with it. No data loss, OOo is good about that, but this is the only thing that has ever crashed OOo like that in my experience. Don't know if 3.0 is better, I'll wait for 9.04 this month and try it then if I haven't got it all converted before then. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From sdmorrey at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 10:11:27 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Fri Apr 3 10:11:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux Laptop Success Story Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I ended up purchasing a Compaq CQ60-215DX, it was on sale at Best Buy for less than $350 and it had hardware specs that looked like they would work great. Unfortunately it came with Windows Vista Home Premium (Yuck) So I tried to throw Ubuntu Ibex 64bit on it, and it hard locked. I tried a few other distros and eventually found that only 3 worked properly out of the box. The first was System Rescue CD (although the DBAN on it hard locked as well). The second was Kubuntu Ibex 32bit, but that was dog slow and the wireless wouldn't work no matter what I did. Finally I tried Ubuntu Jaunty 64bit and everything worked great, quick and slick right out of the box including wireless. All this on the cheapest laptop I could buy :) All I can say is I'm very, very pleased with the state of Linux on the Laptop lately and I realize I owe a lot of that to the netbook guys, but I also know several of us work on linux making improvements (or complaints), daily and I just wanted to take a moment and thank everybody for their great work! Sincerely, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The frustrating part is that now it is formatted, the 32bit version shows it as a drive, as I would expect, as they are separate physical drives, but it also shows the data partition on the IDE where it is installed as a separate drive.? Grr! Matt: Methinks it would format the partition, but without creating a mount point or fstab entry for it. Likely, I thought about that just about immediately after I typed it.? :)? I think I will try to set the mount as /media/ Just to clarify, its a mountable partition, not a drive, I still don't know how many actual drives you may have, other than the 2 you've mentioned.? And it still should be mountable. ? It reads just fine, and shows the right size, I just don't want to dig around my folder structure or put symlinks all over the place to access it.? I am lazy.? :)? It's just the two physical drives. Use "fdisk -l" to list all the partitions on all drives.? The partition should be /dev/sdaX, where X is the number of the partition, 1-4 are primary and 5+ are secondary, on the first drive (assuming that's the hard disk).? Second drive will be /dev/sdbX, and so on. Yeah, that threw me for a second, until I remembered it is treating them like SCSI drives.? It may be a problem with the partition number, then, which I will have to double-check.? I have it divvied up into a 50gb, a 150gb?and a 550gb drive.? It should only be sda3, but it could be doing something hokey just to mess with me. If that works, you can then put an entry in /etc/fstab to mount it automatically when you boot, in whatever directory you want.? Most distribs now use disklabels or UUID identifiers rather than the older /dev/sdaX for most disk partitions in /etc/fstab, but the old-school /dev/sd* labels still work fine.? If you want it only mounted when you ask it to, put noauto in the options field, otherwise put "defaults". Historically /mnt was a place for temporary mounts, /media/* is a newer place for removable media, but you can mount it in any directory that exists (even ovver the top of existing data, if you want). The 216 IDE doesn't automount either, and I have been meaning to fix that.? Thanks for the reminder! Hm, I think I just installed some of those myself, one in a new Windows XP machines at work, the other in a Debian server, and haven't tested the write function on either.? I'll have to do that now.? But they both booted OK under either Windows or Debian CDs.? Haven't tried a DVD boot, never use them, though I want to try a recent Knoppix DVD. This one boots fine now, and it always read CDs and DVDs without a hitch.? It only writes CDs for some reason.? Let me know if you have any better success with that.? If not, I will probably sell the silly thing after I get a real DVD burner. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090403/20ce4c51/attachment.htm From white.armor at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 10:34:45 2009 From: white.armor at gmail.com (Jordan Schatz) Date: Fri Apr 3 16:43:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Stuff In-Reply-To: <49D62377.8070508@beehive.net> References: <200904012204.n31M49PE010859@sllug.org> <134908.18506.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D4F1FE.4050600@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238720012.8919.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D62377.8070508@beehive.net> Message-ID: <20090403173445.GD26416@falcon> Jack, Just FYI, after you get it mounted it will be read only unless you use http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsmount or http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsprogs I didn't see in the thread why you wre anting to mount it, but I assume that it is probably becuase it will be your shared data bewteen windows and linux; I have found that partition the drive in ext2 and then installing drivers on the windows side to use ext2 is easier/best. Here is a free windows ext3 driver: http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html Jordan On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:55:51AM -0600, John Brewer wrote: > jack User wrote: >> Matt, >> i just followed your direction to use >> fdisk -l >> and got the following: >> >> Cannot open /dev/sda >> Cannot open /dev/sdb >> Cannot open /dev/sdc >> >> >> the HD was formatted by Windows XP in the more modern format, can't >> recall the 4 letters. >> >> jack > Probably NTFS . . . > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090403/2566d99a/attachment.pgp From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 3 22:46:17 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Fri Apr 3 22:46:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: SATA Stuff In-Reply-To: <20090403173445.GD26416@falcon> References: <200904012204.n31M49PE010859@sllug.org> <134908.18506.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D4F1FE.4050600@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238720012.8919.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D62377.8070508@beehive.net> <20090403173445.GD26416@falcon> Message-ID: <1238823977.12807.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you Jordan, i have several files on the Windows part that i would love to transfer to Linux. jack On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 11:34 -0600, Jordan Schatz wrote: > Jack, > Just FYI, after you get it mounted it will be read only unless you use > http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsmount > or > http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsprogs > I didn't see in the thread why you wre anting to mount it, but I > assume that it is probably becuase it will be your shared data bewteen > windows and linux; I have found that partition the drive in ext2 and then > installing drivers on the windows side to use ext2 is easier/best. Here > is a free windows ext3 driver: http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html > > Jordan > > > > On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:55:51AM -0600, John Brewer wrote: > > jack User wrote: > >> Matt, > >> i just followed your direction to use > >> fdisk -l > >> and got the following: > >> > >> Cannot open /dev/sda > >> Cannot open /dev/sdb > >> Cannot open /dev/sdc > >> > >> > >> the HD was formatted by Windows XP in the more modern format, can't > >> recall the 4 letters. > >> > >> jack > > Probably NTFS . . . > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090403/2f4da34c/attachment.htm From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 10:11:17 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 4 10:11:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support Message-ID: <49D794B5.9050207@gmail.com> I wanted to share an experience I had just the other day regarding RedHat EL4 software and support namely Dell / RedHat support. I'm no newbie when it comes to Linux. Been working with RedHat 4.0 since 1994. I'm building a system at work using a Dell R300 and a MD3000 subsystem. We have 11 Terabytes of disk space which included 1 hot spare and 10 disks in RAID 5. We have 8.9 Terabytes of usable disk space. According to RedHat's web site, ext3 filesystems support UPTO 8 Terabytes of space. Period. If you want go to higher, you need to install GFS which is part of their cluster suite. According to Dell, we need to purchase that product as it's a separate product. Even though with RHEL5 it's now part of the base product (according to the readme I found on their web site) and they advertise that EL4 supports GFS. We ended up spending 4 hours on the phone because they kept insisting enabling GFT through parted we can get above 8 Terabytes. I mentioned I didn't believe that was supported and would they guarentee this will be supported if we have problems. Oh sure we will was their response. "can I get it in writing?". Nobody was interested and kept assuring me this was a supported configuration. Let me assure you all, this is just not possible with EXT3. Following their directions you will get segment faults. However when I resized the partition to 8Tb, everything worked just fine. I even found a conversation on the CentOS forums where they stated RedHat limited ext3 to 8 Tb. Dell said 'well it's not quite 9 Tb so you should be good'. Huh??? It's hard to talk to someone when they won't listen :/ I know EXT3 supports up to 16 Tb (according to the spec) however RedHat doesn't. Oh and I'm running in 64 Bit so the advertised limit on their web site is 8 Exabytes. I'll be sharing this with RedHat Monday morning but I figured perhaps someone here 'might' run into similar problems and was hoping to share the experience in case someone was thinking of doing this. Looks like EL4 base comes with vfat, msdos, ext2 and ext3. I didn't see the cluster suite in our account unfortunately. Regarding pricing for the cluster suite, even though they kept insisting it was an additional purchase, they were unwilling (or unable) to provide any information on where I could purchase it or how much it costs. I suspect they don't know that it's not a seperate purchase for the software. At least it didn't use to be AFAIK. FYI... I may try installing Ubuntu Server as well. I suspect I won't have this problem with xfs filesystem ;-) Anyway... there you go for what it's worth. It will be an interesting conversation on Monday. Enjoy From tvanry at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 11:32:00 2009 From: tvanry at gmail.com (Thad Van Ry) Date: Sat Apr 4 11:32:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49D794B5.9050207@gmail.com> References: <49D794B5.9050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38fc83270904041132r3c67ac8ehc25cdf93eecba647@mail.gmail.com> On 4/4/09, u235sentinel wrote: > According to RedHat's web site, ext3 filesystems support UPTO 8 Terabytes > of space. Period. If you want go to higher, you need to install GFS which > is part of their cluster suite. According to Dell, we need to purchase that > product as it's a separate product. Even though with RHEL5 it's now part of > the base product (according to the readme I found on their web site) and > they advertise that EL4 supports GFS. Cluster Suite is not technically part of "base" RHEL 5. This is one of the reasons that RHEL 5 includes an installation number. You have to have "Advanced Platform" to run Cluster services in a supported way on RHEL 5. > Let me assure you all, this is just not possible with EXT3. Following > their directions you will get segment faults. However when I resized the > partition to 8Tb, everything worked just fine. I even found a conversation > on the CentOS forums where they stated RedHat limited ext3 to 8 Tb. Dell > said 'well it's not quite 9 Tb so you should be good'. Huh??? It's hard to > talk to someone when they won't listen :/ Some links to all these things that you "found" on the internet would have been nice for the rest of us. From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 12:02:59 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 4 12:03:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <38fc83270904041132r3c67ac8ehc25cdf93eecba647@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D794B5.9050207@gmail.com> <38fc83270904041132r3c67ac8ehc25cdf93eecba647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D7AEE3.9000101@gmail.com> Thad Van Ry wrote: > On 4/4/09, u235sentinel wrote: > > Cluster Suite is not technically part of "base" RHEL 5. This is one of > the reasons that RHEL 5 includes an installation number. You have to > have "Advanced Platform" to run Cluster services in a supported way on > RHEL 5. > Seriously? In the cluster suite channel for my account I found a readme text file which mentioned it was included in the base for version 5. I was going to test it on Monday and see if it worked before calling RedHat. I do recall seeing isos there at one point for EL4. Now I can't find it. Thus my call to them. >> Let me assure you all, this is just not possible with EXT3. Following >> their directions you will get segment faults. However when I resized the >> partition to 8Tb, everything worked just fine. I even found a conversation >> on the CentOS forums where they stated RedHat limited ext3 to 8 Tb. Dell >> said 'well it's not quite 9 Tb so you should be good'. Huh??? It's hard to >> talk to someone when they won't listen :/ >> > > Some links to all these things that you "found" on the internet would > have been nice for the rest of us I'll have to check my bookmarks and will post them if I still have it. I checked wikipedia for the ext3 stuff. Very handy website IMO. BTW, Here is a link I recall with info on what they support. http://www.redhat.com/rhel/compare/ I'm presuming from this chart that EL and AS both support GFS as they are included together. I understood this to mean in 64 bit I should have an 8 Eb limit for my volume. And all the docs I found on their site were written 4 years ago discussing how to get more than 2 Tb volumes. Here's one I tried and failed. http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-9855 When I tried formatting the volume with mkfs it would seg fault following this document or using parted with GPT support. I'll look for that as well.. I think I have it bookmarked somewhere. From fozz at xmission.com Sat Apr 4 13:27:21 2009 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Sat Apr 4 13:28:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support Message-ID: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> On Saturday 04 April 2009 11:11:17 u235sentinel wrote: > FYI... I may try installing Ubuntu Server as well. I suspect I won't > have this problem with xfs filesystem ;-) You shouldn't need to go with Ubuntu to use XFS. I configured an MD1000 like the one you mentioned and partitioned the resulting volume as XFS from the get-go. No restrictions necessary. The bigger question that went through my head as I read your post was this: If you're so experienced with Linux, why bother with Red Hat support? I've always viewed RH's commercial offerings as best for those without the chops to support things themselves or for people using specialized (e.g. big iron) hardware only supported by RHEL. -- fozz@iodynamics.com is Doran L. "Fozz" Barton "Give great space to the festive dog that shall sport in the roadway." -- Seen in a Tokyo traffic handbook From sjansen at buscaluz.org Sat Apr 4 14:15:32 2009 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Sat Apr 4 14:15:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 14:27 -0600, Doran L. "Fozz" Barton wrote: > The bigger question that went through my head as I read your post was this: If > you're so experienced with Linux, why bother with Red Hat support? I've always > viewed RH's commercial offerings as best for those without the chops to support > things themselves or for people using specialized (e.g. big iron) hardware > only supported by RHEL. 1) Faster access to security updates and bug fixes. 2) A neck to straggle that isn't your own. 3) Cost effectiveness. We could all raise our own chickens, but for most of us it is better to spend our time doing something else. -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 15:35:40 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 4 15:35:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> Stuart Jansen wrote: > 1) Faster access to security updates and bug fixes. > 2) A neck to straggle that isn't your own. > 3) Cost effectiveness. We could all raise our own chickens, but for most > of us it is better to spend our time doing something else. > > Another reason we wanted to standardize our distro. Two years ago when I started I had 5 to contend with. Yeah that was fun. Today we have RedHat mainly but I'm willing to look at one other like Ubuntu for stuff that really doesn't need RedHat for the OS. Stuff like a Syslog server or scanner server running nmap. In this economy I'm having difficulty with the thought of paying for a RedHat license when that's the servers role :-) For everything else it's been a good relationship... as long as I don't have to call support ;-) From sdmorrey at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 15:43:36 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Sat Apr 4 15:43:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Load Distro To RAM? Message-ID: Hey everyone, So I decided to give xubuntu 64 a shot on my system and it's doing great. Boot times are pretty short, but unfortunately it seems like application load times are a bit sluggish. I was considering replacing the HD with a Solid State Drive, but before I do I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to just load the whole OS to RAM. I'm hoping to find something like the docache option that I use on System Rescue CD, but I'm turning up nothing relevant at all in googling for it. Any ideas? Thanks! Sincerely, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090404/9f03643c/attachment.html From caleb at macjunk.net Sat Apr 4 15:49:31 2009 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Sat Apr 4 15:49:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> If you want to standardize why not stick with CentOS for those servers you can't justify RedHat for? On Apr 4, 2009, at 4:35 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > Stuart Jansen wrote: >> 1) Faster access to security updates and bug fixes. >> 2) A neck to straggle that isn't your own. >> 3) Cost effectiveness. We could all raise our own chickens, but for >> most >> of us it is better to spend our time doing something else. >> >> > Another reason we wanted to standardize our distro. > > Two years ago when I started I had 5 to contend with. Yeah that was > fun. > > Today we have RedHat mainly but I'm willing to look at one other > like Ubuntu for stuff that really doesn't need RedHat for the OS. > Stuff like a Syslog server or scanner server running nmap. In this > economy I'm having difficulty with the thought of paying for a > RedHat license when that's the servers role :-) > > > For everything else it's been a good relationship... as long as I > don't have to call support ;-) > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From namonai at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 16:14:11 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Sat Apr 4 16:14:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Load Distro To RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <847993120904041614g615299fcg281fe60fc7bad6a4@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So I decided to give xubuntu 64 a shot on my system and it's doing great. > Boot times are pretty short, but unfortunately it seems like application > load times are a bit sluggish. > I was considering replacing the HD with a Solid State Drive, but before I do > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to just load the whole OS to RAM. > I'm hoping to find something like the docache option that I use on System > Rescue CD, but I'm turning up nothing relevant at all in googling for it. > Any ideas? I'm not sure you would want to do that for speed reasons. I have an SSD drive in my laptop and it does not outperform current-generation disk drives in hdparm speed tests. You may get some performance increase from the elimination of seek times, but those can be alleviated with more RAM. A trick that we use on an embedded system that I work on for my job is to pre-run an application at startup so that all its libraries are cached before the user attempts to start it. -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From namonai at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 16:21:01 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Sat Apr 4 16:21:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> In support of Dell and RedHat, I must say that we have had nothing but success in getting software for things such as Nagios plugins for PERC arrays, and lmsensor commits from Dell/RedHat for motherboard sensors (fans/thermal). Dell's server team has been top-notch and we would be hard-pressed to change vendors. Anecdotally, my new Dell Mini9 came with a fully-functional Ubuntu 8.04 installation. It's now running Fedora 10, but the Dell airplane control panel and everything else work just fine anyway. We've purchased servers from HP and Sun, and have had less than stellar results (although quixotically, HP's business desktop team is VERY Linux savvy). Just my $0.02; -Craig -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 4 16:30:27 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Sat Apr 4 16:30:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> why would one want to move from Ubuntu to Fedora?--just for a layman's information. jack On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 17:21 -0600, Craig Kelley wrote: > In support of Dell and RedHat, I must say that we have had nothing but > success in getting software for things such as Nagios plugins for PERC > arrays, and lmsensor commits from Dell/RedHat for motherboard sensors > (fans/thermal). Dell's server team has been top-notch and we would be > hard-pressed to change vendors. > > Anecdotally, my new Dell Mini9 came with a fully-functional Ubuntu > 8.04 installation. It's now running Fedora 10, but the Dell airplane > control panel and everything else work just fine anyway. > > We've purchased servers from HP and Sun, and have had less than > stellar results (although quixotically, HP's business desktop team is > VERY Linux savvy). > > Just my $0.02; -Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090404/e4cd58ab/attachment.htm From sjansen at buscaluz.org Sat Apr 4 16:32:33 2009 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Sat Apr 4 16:32:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat Message-ID: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just a minor annoyance, but there's a space in Red Hat's name. And while we're on the topic, SuSE was changed to SUSE a long time ago. -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 16:37:13 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 4 16:37:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D7EF29.1070704@gmail.com> Craig Kelley wrote: > In support of Dell and RedHat, I must say that we have had nothing but > success in getting software for things such as Nagios plugins for PERC > arrays, and lmsensor commits from Dell/RedHat for motherboard sensors > (fans/thermal). Dell's server team has been top-notch and we would be > hard-pressed to change vendors. > > Anecdotally, my new Dell Mini9 came with a fully-functional Ubuntu > 8.04 installation. It's now running Fedora 10, but the Dell airplane > control panel and everything else work just fine anyway. > > We've purchased servers from HP and Sun, and have had less than > stellar results (although quixotically, HP's business desktop team is > VERY Linux savvy). > > Just my $0.02; -Craig > This is why I will give them feedback AFTER I speak with RedHat first. It's entirely possible things have changed. However at least providing something to substantiate their statements would have gone a long way :D Especially when RedHat's own web site said what Dell was trying to do was not supported :D From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 16:38:22 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 4 16:38:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <49D7EF6E.809@gmail.com> Caleb Call wrote: > If you want to standardize why not stick with CentOS for those servers > you can't justify RedHat for? > > > I asked about that however none of the InfoSec vendors would support it as a platform. If we ran into problems we're on our own regarding their product. From sjansen at buscaluz.org Sat Apr 4 16:48:44 2009 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Sat Apr 4 16:48:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 17:30 -0600, jack User wrote: > why would one want to move from Ubuntu to Fedora?--just for a layman's > information. Because Fedora is generally more cutting edge than Ubuntu. It includes many technologies that Ubuntu doesn't. Fedora has also reached the point that Ubuntu's Debian heritage no longer guarantees it more packages. Depending on what you want to do, Fedora now provides packages that Ubuntu doesn't. (Although Debian still has more packages for some areas.) The packages that Fedora ships see more consistent updates than Ubuntu. Many Ubuntu packages in Universe and Multiverse are pulled from Debian unstable only once every six months; if they're broken you have to wait for a new Ubuntu release. Fedora is less willing to accommodate proprietary software than Ubuntu. For some people, like me, this is a big plus. In addition, Red Hat is still the most significant player in the enterprise Linux market. Because Fedora is the base for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, it provides a preview of change to expect in future RHEL release. (Businesses have started to experiment with Ubuntu, especially small companies. But Red Hat Enterprise Linux, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, and Debian are still ahead of Ubuntu. Many businesses see Ubuntu as a consumer Linux, not enterprise.) /me awaits to shrieks of protest from people who don't realize I've run Ubuntu for years and speak from experience -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From sjansen at buscaluz.org Sat Apr 4 16:56:39 2009 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Sat Apr 4 16:56:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was (also) wrong. In-Reply-To: <49D3C27C.5000303@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D3C27C.5000303@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1238889399.3859.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> I tried to resist responding, but it bugs me that people still think the argument against top posting is mere tradition, whim, or technical limitation. (BTW, this introduction is a perfect demonstration that the argument is entirely about readability, not location of text.) On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 13:37 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > *snip* If > trimming messages on an iphone requires character-by-character deletion > (I don't know, but it sounds that way from a previous post) I'd put that > in the same category. Hopefully such an archaic interface will soon go > the way of the all-caps teletype. In the meantime, why excoriate him? Because nothing on SLLUG is so urgent it must be responded to from an iPhone without trimming. Besides, I find it hard to believe that the iPhone lacks basic text selection and deletion for editing replies. > That said, the whole history of computing trades ever-decreasing cost > of storage, bandwidth, and machine cycles for increased human > convenience. I didn't bring up the bandwidth/storage argument. Personally, I think it's silly. My argument is based entirely on human convenience. I just don't care much about the convenience of the author. I care about the reader. Too many people seem to think that the act of breathing entitles them to be heard. An author that doesn't care about his audience doesn't deserve to be heard. There's a story from Apple's history that illustrates my point perfectly: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.txt When I write an email, I spend only 50% of my time writing. The other 50% is editing. When that much time is spent editing, trimming literally takes about 1% of my time. This is even more important when asking for help. Some people are patient enough that if you ask them for help, they will try to help you no matter how many times you spit in their face. I'm not one of them. I have zero sympathy for anyone that isn't willing to spend any time editing their responses. Remember, every message you send to the list is being archived. Will somebody searching for help be able to understand the discussion without doing backflips? Is your message worthy of being archived? If not, why press send? > "Never ascribe to intentional rudeness and ill-breeding > that which can be explained by ignorance of RFC 1855 (and/or hardware > issues)." Ignorance is the same thing as ill-breeding. I didn't say that you're a horrible person if your mother never taught you to wash your hands after using the bathroom. I did say that you are ignorant of an important social convention. I didn't start throwing around words like "lazy", "moron" or "jerk" until people started acting like it was their $DEITY given write to top post. If you are aware of the social convention and choose to ignore it, at that point you are rude. In the greater scheme of things, it may rank on the same level as cutting in line. But a person who repeatedly cuts in line is still a jerk and deserves to be told so. -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From matthew at azza.com Sat Apr 4 17:44:24 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Sat Apr 4 18:08:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was (also) wrong. In-Reply-To: <1238889399.3859.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D3C27C.5000303@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238889399.3859.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > > Because nothing on SLLUG is so urgent it must be responded to from an > iPhone without trimming. > > Besides, I find it hard to believe that the iPhone lacks basic text > selection and deletion for editing replies. So let's say I'm out of town and all I have is my iPhone. Then what? I guess I need to wait until I get home, eh? And your comment about basic text selection and editing is ignorant. There are no such tools on non-jailbroken iPhones at this time. In June-ish, when iPhone OS 3 is released, cut/paste/select will be available to us. In the mean time, it took me twelve minutes to write this e-mail on my iPhone -- three to type, and nine to trim using only the backspace key so you wouldn't whine. If it bothers you to read top-posts and non-trimmed messages, don't read them. If you're worried about how everyone else might hate it, let them worry about it. Kicking against the pricks gets you nowhere. From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 18:18:43 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 4 18:18:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D806F3.60801@gmail.com> Stuart Jansen wrote: > > Because Fedora is generally more cutting edge than Ubuntu. It includes > many technologies that Ubuntu doesn't. Fedora has also reached the point > that Ubuntu's Debian heritage no longer guarantees it more packages. > Depending on what you want to do, Fedora now provides packages that > Ubuntu doesn't. (Although Debian still has more packages for some > areas.) > > > I'm curious which packages you are referring to? I've found a great deal of software out there and their package manager makes it very easy to resolve dependencies automatically. I know there is YUM available btw. Also, with Ubuntu it's pretty easy for me to add additional repositories. I have a nice little list of other stuff I've added since installing 8.04 :D > In addition, Red Hat is still the most significant player in the > enterprise Linux market. Because Fedora is the base for Red Hat > Enterprise Linux, it provides a preview of change to expect in future > RHEL release. > > I agree. That's why we standardized on it at work :D For running stuff like a syslog or scanner server though, I'm not sure you're getting the best deal with a paid distro. You're not really using the system IMO. > /me awaits to shrieks of protest from people who don't realize I've run > Ubuntu for years and speak from experience > > No protest here. Linux is Linux. If I don't like what they are doing, I simply change it :-) From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 18:19:07 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 4 18:19:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat In-Reply-To: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D8070B.6080309@gmail.com> Stuart Jansen wrote: > Just a minor annoyance, but there's a space in Red Hat's name. > > And while we're on the topic, SuSE was changed to SUSE a long time ago. > > What has Ubuntu changed their name to? ;-) From matthew at azza.com Sat Apr 4 18:42:23 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Sat Apr 4 18:49:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was (also) wrong. In-Reply-To: References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D3C27C.5000303@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238889399.3859.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8DE884BF-E5A1-4B0D-A079-B53B7866AD5E@azza.com> I am top-posting this because I don't have time to format correctly, but I want to quickly apologize for my last post. It was unnecessary and frivolous and only served to further fuel the fire. I respectfully withdraw. On Apr 4, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Matthew Hatch wrote: > On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Stuart Jansen > wrote: >> > >> Because nothing on SLLUG is so urgent it must be responded to from an >> iPhone without trimming. >> >> Besides, I find it hard to believe that the iPhone lacks basic text >> selection and deletion for editing replies. > > So let's say I'm out of town and all I have is my iPhone. Then > what? I guess I need to wait until I get home, eh? > > And your comment about basic text selection and editing is > ignorant. There are no such tools on non-jailbroken iPhones at this > time. In June-ish, when iPhone OS 3 is released, cut/paste/select > will be available to us. In the mean time, it took me twelve > minutes to write this e-mail on my iPhone -- three to type, and nine > to trim using only the backspace key so you wouldn't whine. > > If it bothers you to read top-posts and non-trimmed messages, don't > read them. If you're worried about how everyone else might hate it, > let them worry about it. Kicking against the pricks gets you nowhere. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 4 19:14:17 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Sat Apr 4 19:14:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1238897657.6405.8.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you for the explanation, jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090404/c26e423c/attachment.htm From donlivingston at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 19:23:57 2009 From: donlivingston at gmail.com (Donald Livingston) Date: Sat Apr 4 19:24:06 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was (also) wrong. In-Reply-To: <1238889399.3859.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D3C27C.5000303@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238889399.3859.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <249fe29d0904041923i6ecddbaei914c17cd546d6c0c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > I tried to resist responding, You failed apparently. > but it bugs me that people still think the > argument against top posting is mere tradition, whim, or technical > limitation. (BTW, this introduction is a perfect demonstration that the > argument is entirely about readability, not location of text.) > > *snip* > > Besides, I find it hard to believe that the iPhone lacks basic text > selection and deletion for editing replies. > > Whether or not you believe it doesn't change the fact that it is so. (At least until iPhone v3.0 comes out) > My argument is based entirely on human convenience. I just don't care > much about the convenience of the author. I care about the reader. Then you have to admit that you are basing your argument on a subjective point-of-view. What one reader finds convenient may differ wildly from what another finds convenient even in similar circumstances. > If you are aware of the social convention and choose to ignore it, at > that point you are rude. In the greater scheme of things, it may rank on > the same level as cutting in line. But a person who repeatedly cuts in > line is still a jerk and deserves to be told so. > > I was content to remain silent during this whole thread because I had no strong opinions on the matter. But I sick of felling like I'm stuck in a hair salon/Relief Society meeting with a dozen old ladies, each trying to get in the last word. For the record I prefer to read a well formatted/edited email as opposed to one carrying a lot of unnecessary baggage. To me it shows a sign that the writer was considerate and thoughtful. But as a convention, I consider it more equivalent to choosing to eat your salad with a desert fork, or buttering your toast with a steak knife, rather than cutting in line. It may be looked down on in certain circumstances and in certain circles, but there are times when you have to use whatever tools you have at hand as circumstances dictate, as imperfect and inelegant as it may seem to others. This will be my last words on the matter, Thank you. -- Don Livingston www.donaldlivingston.com "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090404/0cc397c7/attachment.html From thatch45 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 19:58:55 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Sat Apr 4 19:59:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat In-Reply-To: <1238898177.6405.12.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D8070B.6080309@gmail.com> <1238898177.6405.12.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <6172c17e0904041958m4eb6f6cbha7600ac2ebc17d58@mail.gmail.com> Dude, have you guys tried the latest Mandrake? I love Yggdrasil Linux, they are going strong! Oh Oh! The beta of Fedora Core 11 is AWESOME! Stuart, I respect you, I appreciate you, you have taught me much and I consider you a good friend, but I am afraid that the top posting thread has used up you rant credits for at least April, and potentially into the future, take a breather, please. -Tom Hatch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090404/2fc28f07/attachment.htm From lt.seejay at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 20:46:21 2009 From: lt.seejay at gmail.com (Jacob Adams) Date: Sat Apr 4 20:46:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Load Distro To RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a way you can create a filesystem in RAM, then you can do whatever you want with it, including run applications from it. I've linked to a How-To at the bottom. Obviously you'd need a decent amount of RAM, but I figure if you're looking at buying an SSD, shelling out a little more for RAM wouldn't be a big deal. Jake Adams http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html Disclaimer: I've not tried this, and there may be more updated info out there, just google 'linux ramdisk' On Apr 4, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So I decided to give xubuntu 64 a shot on my system and it's doing > great. > Boot times are pretty short, but unfortunately it seems like > application load times are a bit sluggish. > I was considering replacing the HD with a Solid State Drive, but > before I do I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to just load the > whole OS to RAM. > I'm hoping to find something like the docache option that I use on > System Rescue CD, but I'm turning up nothing relevant at all in > googling for it. > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > Sincerely, > Steve > From allen.schultz at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 21:13:25 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Sat Apr 4 21:13:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3f34f8420904042113y27395c32s8896bded08cc73ec@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > Because Fedora is generally more cutting edge than Ubuntu. It includes > many technologies that Ubuntu doesn't. Fedora has also reached the point > that Ubuntu's Debian heritage no longer guarantees it more packages. > Depending on what you want to do, Fedora now provides packages that > Ubuntu doesn't. (Although Debian still has more packages for some > areas.) I really don't want to start a flame war, so one rule. For comparison purposes, please keep it only educational for those who want to know more. What is the difference between Fedora and SuSE. I only know that Novell is stating that in their Enterprise levels, that SLES is 6 months ahead of RHEL in virtualisation software as a platform. Can I get more insite between the concerned Linux uses topics of both of these distributions? Allen From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 21:15:13 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 4 21:15:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat In-Reply-To: <1238898177.6405.12.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D8070B.6080309@gmail.com> <1238898177.6405.12.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <49D83051.3040400@gmail.com> jack User wrote: > it is still Ubuntu on their website > > jack I know.. I was kidding ;-) From jshatch at azza.com Sat Apr 4 21:16:07 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Sat Apr 4 21:16:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0904041958m4eb6f6cbha7600ac2ebc17d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D8070B.6080309@gmail.com> <1238898177.6405.12.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <6172c17e0904041958m4eb6f6cbha7600ac2ebc17d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D83087.9040400@azza.com> Thomas S Hatch wrote: > but I am afraid that the top posting thread has used up you rant > credits for at least April, and potentially into the future, take a > breather, please. I think after the top posting thread all rant credits are hereby suspended until June for all involved... Myself included. Just for the record, when I deleted that thread from my imap server, I counted something like 87 emails... And, for the record, SuSE and SUSE are both still used widely internally at Novell (/etc/SuSE-release for example). Whether one is more official than the other, doesn't matter. Nothing to be OCD about. Maybe I'm now -1 for rant credits... sorry. Jarom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090404/f134c0fb/signature-0001.pgp From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 4 21:18:04 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Sat Apr 4 21:18:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Load Distro To RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1238905084.10670.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Ubuntu 8.10 creates 16 ram disks of which it appears none are used. after reading the source you gave ...../Ramdisk.html those who need lots of speed can make good use of a ramdisk. years ago i used a ramdisk with DOS applications to speed things. as noted the major problem comes when one needs to save information. jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090404/f0101bc3/attachment.htm From ecantwell at bluehost.com Sat Apr 4 21:54:44 2009 From: ecantwell at bluehost.com (Erick Cantwell) Date: Sat Apr 4 21:54:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Load Distro To RAM? In-Reply-To: <1238905084.10670.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1238905084.10670.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <49D83994.2090502@bluehost.com> jack User wrote: > Ubuntu 8.10 creates 16 ram disks of which it appears none are used. > after reading the source you gave ...../Ramdisk.html those who need > lots of speed can make good use of a ramdisk. years ago i used a > ramdisk with DOS applications to speed things. as noted the major > problem comes when one needs to save information. > > jack By default there are 16 ramdisks created by any recent Linux kernel. You can change the amount and (maybe more importantly) the initial size of these ramdisks by changing the configuration for them and then recompiling your kernel. One more point that you might want to keep in mind is that anything written to ram will be lost when you power down (either willingly or UNWILLINGLY...which is something to strongly consider as a possibility). You will need to set up a mechanism that writes changes back to a hard disk. One trick around this is to only mount partitions or directories that have unchanging (for the most part) files (for example: /usr/bin, /sbin, etc...). <-- You probably already have this point in consideration, but I figure that it can't hurt to point out. I guess that I should also throw in this option: http://techreport.com/articles.x/9312 We have a couple of these in some of our servers at the company I work for and they function very well (although they are not really cost effective to spread through 900 servers). For a single computer or server they are actually somewhat reasonable (I guess we'll see, though, as the prices continue to come down on SSD's). --Erick Cantwell From kd7nyq at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 00:01:57 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Sun Apr 5 00:01:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: MPX Message-ID: <79c119390904050001i2f44e66ey91bc389b50ff5ace@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone tried or know anything definitive about MPX that isn't immediately obvious from the website (http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/)? It says that the project is being merged into the X.org main fork, but it's not available yet. Moreover, I don't see any of the original code available for download. Jackman. From sjansen at buscaluz.org Sun Apr 5 00:10:08 2009 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Sun Apr 5 00:10:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <3f34f8420904042113y27395c32s8896bded08cc73ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3f34f8420904042113y27395c32s8896bded08cc73ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238915409.3859.201.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 22:13 -0600, Allen Schultz wrote: > What is the difference between Fedora and SuSE. Traditional SuSE doesn't exist anymore. Instead, Novell has copied Red Hat's model. Both Fedora and openSUSE are community driven projects. Fedora is used at the basis for RHEL releases, and openSUSE is used as the basis for SLES releases. While Fedora and openSUSE were created by for profit companies, over time volunteers from the community have been taking control of each distro. Fedora has made more progress than openSUSE, but this is mostly because Fedora started earlier. openSUSE has been progressing nicely. Fedora and openSUSE are appropriate for programmers, system administrators, hobbyists and early adopters. They are not appropriate for enterprise use. If all you need is a generic Linux server, either RHEL or SLES will server you well. (Although little things like SUSE's brain dead handling of kernel updates lead me to trust Red Hat more.) Both are RPM based. Configuration of either resembles the other more than they resemble Debian/Ubuntu. As the saying goes, the devil is in the details. There's too many small details to list without some idea of what exactly you're interested in. > I only know that > Novell is stating that in their Enterprise levels, that SLES is 6 > months ahead of RHEL in virtualisation software as a platform. When it comes to Virtualization, Novell and Red Hat have very different strategies. There is no short response to Novell's claim. Novell has made a large investment in Xen. It is true that SLES shipped with Xen support about six months before RHEL. Does that still matter nearly two years later? Both provide adequate solutions. (Although Novell likes to pull out some highly suspect, vague charts to claim their version of Xen performs better.) At this point, it isn't so much Xen itself, per se, but the tools that really matter. SUSE has an established pattern of creating tools to make certain scenarios very easy. If the tools match your exact needs, there's no denying that choosing SUSE will make your life easier. Unfortunately, if your needs aren't cookie cutter, the work SUSE does to make certain scenarios easier often ends up making other scenarios much harder. Novell has acquired monitoring and provisioning software to make managing large Xen farms easier. I've only seen a 15 minute demo of the software, but it looked pretty cool. It also costs extra and is proprietary. Novell has given no indication that they intend to open source it. In other words, it is a single vendor solution. Some people are okay with building their infrastructure around a single vendor, risking the vendor later holding them hostage. I'm not one of them. Novell has long argued that its willingness to blend open source and proprietary solutions gives it an advantage. In the short term that may be true, but I'm not convinced it is a winning long term strategy. Open, multi-vendor solutions are better for customers, and business are increasingly realizing that. Red Hat, in comparison, has focused on creating open source virtualization management tools. See http://et.redhat.com/ for details. At the core of Red Hat's strategy is libvirt, a project designed to abstract away differences between virtualization technologies. While it isn't currently as flashy as some other vm management technologies, I think that libvirt is clearly the best long term solution. SUSE has also started to ship libvirt-based tools, but don't let that fool you. I've been subscribed to the libvirt list for more than a year. During that time I have seen little participation from Novell employees. While they may use and customize the technology, they have done little to contribute. I think libvirt is a better solution because it is open source, and it is not limited to Xen. Currently, libvirt has varying degrees of support for managing Xen (on Linux and Solaris), KVM/QEMU, LXC, OpenVZ and UML. With VirtualBox support recently started. Part of the reason Novell has invested more in Xen than Red Hat is that Red Hat doesn't think Xen is the future. Instead, Red Hat thinks that KVM is the better long term solution. I won't go into detail describing the differences between Xen and KVM. For now, let's just say that Xen is separate from Linux, but KVM is integrated into the Linux kernel. This plays to Red Hat's strengths. It also means that KVM has always played nicer with my hardware than Xen. Although Xen is not part of the Linux kernel, it depends on the Linux kernel. (Ignoring Sun's version of Xen which obviously depends on Solaris instead.) For various reasons, although Xen has been around longer than KVM, not all patches necessary to use Xen on Linux have been accepted into the official Linux kernel yet. One of the biggest reasons seems to be that the core Xen developers don't care enough to bother updating Xen for newer kernel releases. We've seen this story before in the embedded market and it always turns out badly. KVM isn't as mature as Xen yet, but it is moving fast. By the time RHEL6 ships, KVM might be ready to take on Xen. Customers who followed Red Hat's lead and built their infrastructure around libvirt will have a much easier time moving from Xen to KVM. As for Novell and its customers, if KVM becomes clearly superior to Xen, it is hard to say how painful the transition will be. For Novell at least, it probably won't be cheap. I've been on the KVM list for about a year and a half now. In that time, it has become obvious that most of the work on KVM is being done by Red Hat, but Intel and IBM are also making very significant contributions. Novell, on the other hand, seems to be pretty much ignoring KVM. If they are paying attention, it is merely to monitor what is happening without contributing at all. In comparison, Xen is being developed by a much larger team of companies. KVM has a difficult fight ahead of it. If KVM does eventually replace Xen, it will be because of KVM's superior design, not a lack of support for Xen. BTW, it is interesting to note that Ubuntu chose KVM over Xen as their official virtualization solution. By the time Red Hat officially ships KVM with RHEL, Ubuntu will not have a mere six months of "lead" but perhaps almost two years. I doubt it will really matter, though. > Can I get more insite between the concerned Linux uses topics of both > of these distributions? SUSE has established a pattern of betting on the wrong horse and eventually switching to whatever Red Hat picked. Examples include: reiserfs, netapplet, Xgl, and YaST-based VM provisioning. While reiserfs had interesting technical advantages, the poor quality of its code led its creator to abandon it and the kernel community to largely ignore it, forcing Novell to bear most of the maintenance burden. Eventually they realized the dangerous position they were in and decided to use ext3 like everyone else. Back when Linux wireless was just starting to go from completely horrible to merely painful, Novell rushed out a crappy little program called netapplet as an "easier" way to manage wireless. Red Hat, instead, started the NetworkManager project. Because Red Hat was more interested in laying a good foundation for a more complete solution, it didn't make it out the door as fast as netapplet. Novell got the PR win, but Red Hat got the technical win. Novell deserves credit for lighting a fire by creating Xgl. However, their behavior while creating it ultimately doomed them. Xgl was basically developed in secret then foisted on the community as a fait accompli. Red Hat looked at the technology, discussed it with the Xorg developers, and was forced to conclude that while the idea was compelling the execution was incorrect. Novell got a PR win, but Red Hat's AIGLX, built in the open with feedback from others, proved to be the superior solution. When SUSE first shipped Xen, they included a craptastic YaST module to create VMs. I've already discussed why libvirt is proving to be a superior solution, but I can't help mentioning that testing was so poor when the YaST first shipped that creating a simple VM took more than an hour, most of it spent watching the processor twiddle its thumbs doing nothing. Yes, Novell got the PR win for shipping first, but it was hardly rock solid. In Novell's defense, at least they have demonstrated a willingness to admit mistakes and switch to the superior solution. Red Hat has not demonstrated that same degree of flexibility in the recent past. Perhaps RH has been lucky enough to not make mistakes. Or perhaps Red Hat is developing a Not Invented Here culture. The question deserves at least some consideration, but the answer isn't obvious. I'm obviously pro-Red Hat, but that doesn't mean that SUSE doesn't have some advantages. Let me mention two of Novell's biggest advantages: desktop Linux and Mono. Red Hat has mostly ignored Linux on the desktop. They have an enterprise desktop product (RHELD), but their commitment to it has been on-again, off-again. RH's new CEO announced re-commitment to desktop solutions, but so far RH's actions have been far from convincing. Novell, on the other hand, is very visibly pursuing enterprise desktop Linux with SLED. Their leadership with OpenOffice.org deserves special mention. In my mind at least, Red Hat isn't a real competitor to Novell in the enterprise desktop market right now. Instead, Ubuntu is (sorta). To be exact, most of Ubuntu's progress seems to be in the consumer market. Novell isn't really going after the consumer, but the enterprise. A market that it has decades of experience with. But if Canonical plays its cards right, it has at least some chance of translating its consumer success into enterprise success. Assuming that enterprise desktop Linux becomes large enough to really matter. Novell is pretty much alone in pushing forward Mono, a project that brings .Net to Linux. This is a significant, but controversial contribution. Because .Net is controlled by Microsoft, many fear that it is a Trojan horse MS will someday use against Linux. Only time will tell. Red Hat has rejected Mono for legal reasons, not technical reasons. Novell has special licensing agreements with Microsoft. Red Hat does not have as many patents, and it isn't as willing to embrace proprietary software. It is also the market leader. All of these things make it a more likely target than Novell. So Red Hat has instead decided to concentrate on Java. I understand RH's position. We'll probably never know if it was appropriate of not, Either way, in my opinion it is a tragedy because .Net is clearly a superior solution. -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From sjansen at buscaluz.org Sun Apr 5 00:15:38 2009 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Sun Apr 5 00:15:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: MPX In-Reply-To: <79c119390904050001i2f44e66ey91bc389b50ff5ace@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390904050001i2f44e66ey91bc389b50ff5ace@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238915738.3859.205.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 01:01 -0600, Andrew Jackman wrote: > Has anyone tried or know anything definitive about MPX that isn't > immediately obvious from the website > (http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/)? It says that the project is > being merged into the X.org main fork, but it's not available yet. > Moreover, I don't see any of the original code available for download. Actually, it says it has been merged. http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=downloads http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=node/144 What leads you to believe that isn't the case? -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From kd7nyq at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 00:20:24 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Sun Apr 5 00:20:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: MPX In-Reply-To: <1238915738.3859.205.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <79c119390904050001i2f44e66ey91bc389b50ff5ace@mail.gmail.com> <1238915738.3859.205.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <79c119390904050020s3aa672cblbcf3eb9d07b19d7d@mail.gmail.com> > Actually, it says it has been merged. > What leads you to believe that isn't the case? > As far as I can tell, nothing from X.org is available that includes MPX. From kd7nyq at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 00:21:35 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Sun Apr 5 00:21:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: MPX In-Reply-To: <79c119390904050020s3aa672cblbcf3eb9d07b19d7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390904050001i2f44e66ey91bc389b50ff5ace@mail.gmail.com> <1238915738.3859.205.camel@localhost.localdomain> <79c119390904050020s3aa672cblbcf3eb9d07b19d7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390904050021s18f08009vb12bae72208ed2a3@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Andrew Jackman wrote: >> Actually, it says it has been merged. >> What leads you to believe that isn't the case? >> > > As far as I can tell, nothing from X.org is available that includes MPX. > http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.5 From kwalker at kobran.org Sun Apr 5 00:45:43 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Sun Apr 5 00:46:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Load Distro To RAM? Message-ID: <1238917543.21088.8.camel@Nokia-N810-43-7> If it's just application startup times that are bothering you (As opposed to general system response) can you use something like "Read Ahead" (if Xubuntu ships it) or the "sticky bit" (Not preferred, but available) to increase caching and improve application startup times? -KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looks like it was merged last year, but hasn't been released yet. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-May/035384.html http://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/MPX I know you're hoping for someone with MPX experience. Maybe that person will wake up in a few hours. A little poking around the archive seems to indicate there isn't actually anything labeled exactly "MPX", but instead it's just additional functions and flags to support multiple pointers. It also sounds like most applications might not be multi-pointer capable yet, so you might not see much even after enabling it. -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From allen.schultz at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 01:06:39 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Sun Apr 5 01:06:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1238915409.3859.201.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3f34f8420904042113y27395c32s8896bded08cc73ec@mail.gmail.com> <1238915409.3859.201.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3f34f8420904050106k2dc53e12pc54513f4c645721f@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > I won't go into detail describing > the differences between Xen and KVM. For now, let's just say that Xen is > separate from Linux, but KVM is integrated into the Linux kernel. > > KVM isn't as mature as Xen yet, but it is moving fast. I see why you say KVM isn't as mature as Xen yet. Wikipedia said, "Limited support for paravirtualization is also available...". I recently have been to Novell's release conference here in Utah. They're focusing on the paravirtualisation side of VM utilization. Do you see RHEL6 incorporated this major change to beat Novell's platform with Xen? Allen From kd7nyq at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 01:19:39 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Sun Apr 5 01:19:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: MPX In-Reply-To: <1238918348.3859.212.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <79c119390904050001i2f44e66ey91bc389b50ff5ace@mail.gmail.com> <1238915738.3859.205.camel@localhost.localdomain> <79c119390904050020s3aa672cblbcf3eb9d07b19d7d@mail.gmail.com> <1238918348.3859.212.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <79c119390904050119j6c6d2f41l30d11706ed45366f@mail.gmail.com> > It also sounds like most applications might not be > multi-pointer capable yet, so you might not see much even after enabling > it. Whatever there is available, I want it. Even if it's just a tool for collaboration. http://www.youtube.com/user/PeterHutterer It looks like the primary contributor started another blog to document his progress. http://who-t.blogspot.com/ He's using git for revision control. Unfortunately, I don't know much about it. http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/03/xi2-implementation-take-1.html Perhaps you can just point me to a quick and dirty guide to git and revision control? How do I take advantage of this code? Jackman. From sjansen at buscaluz.org Sun Apr 5 01:26:23 2009 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Sun Apr 5 01:26:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <3f34f8420904050106k2dc53e12pc54513f4c645721f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3f34f8420904042113y27395c32s8896bded08cc73ec@mail.gmail.com> <1238915409.3859.201.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3f34f8420904050106k2dc53e12pc54513f4c645721f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238919983.3859.230.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 02:06 -0600, Allen Schultz wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > > I won't go into detail describing > > the differences between Xen and KVM. For now, let's just say that Xen is > > separate from Linux, but KVM is integrated into the Linux kernel. > > > > KVM isn't as mature as Xen yet, but it is moving fast. > > I see why you say KVM isn't as mature as Xen yet. Wikipedia said, > "Limited support for paravirtualization is also available...". KVM requires a recent CPU with hardware virtualization support. Intel calls this VT. AMD calls it AMD-V. While KVM can run unmodified guests, better performance can be achieved if the guest uses special drivers to make paravirtualized hypercalls instead of triggering hardware interrupts. Until this quarter, KVM's paravirt support was limited. It has improved a lot recently, although the work is by no means completed. > I recently have been to Novell's release conference here in Utah. > They're focusing on the paravirtualisation side of VM utilization. Do > you see RHEL6 incorporated this major change to beat Novell's platform > with Xen? I wouldn't exactly call paravirt a "major change", so I'm not entirely sure I understand your question. Xen made its name by using paravirt from the beginning. If you're asking "will KVM have support for paravirtualized guest drivers" then the answer is yes. If you're asking "will RHEL6 make the switch to KVM" the answer is a little more fuzzy. Red Hat has committed to including KVM with RHEL6, but I wouldn't be surprised it it's only a 'technology preview' at first. -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 07:52:55 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Sun Apr 5 07:52:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Load Distro To RAM? In-Reply-To: <49D83994.2090502@bluehost.com> References: <1238905084.10670.4.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D83994.2090502@bluehost.com> Message-ID: <1238939575.12657.12.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you for the explanation Erick. jack On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 22:54 -0600, Erick Cantwell wrote: > jack User wrote: > > Ubuntu 8.10 creates 16 ram disks of which it appears none are used. > > after reading the source you gave ...../Ramdisk.html those who need > > lots of speed can make good use of a ramdisk. years ago i used a > > ramdisk with DOS applications to speed things. as noted the major > > problem comes when one needs to save information. > > > > jack > By default there are 16 ramdisks created by any recent Linux kernel. > You can change the amount and (maybe more importantly) the initial size > of these ramdisks by changing the configuration for them and then > recompiling your kernel. > > One more point that you might want to keep in mind is that anything > written to ram will be lost when you power down (either willingly or > UNWILLINGLY...which is something to strongly consider as a > possibility). You will need to set up a mechanism that writes changes > back to a hard disk. One trick around this is to only mount partitions > or directories that have unchanging (for the most part) files (for > example: /usr/bin, /sbin, etc...). <-- You probably already have this > point in consideration, but I figure that it can't hurt to point out. > > I guess that I should also throw in this option: > http://techreport.com/articles.x/9312 > We have a couple of these in some of our servers at the company I work > for and they function very well (although they are not really cost > effective to spread through 900 servers). 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090405/28b7c2fa/attachment.htm From dansmith at xmission.com Sun Apr 5 10:32:33 2009 From: dansmith at xmission.com (Dan Smith) Date: Sun Apr 5 10:32:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: WP10 to OOo conversion In-Reply-To: <49D64223.8080704@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org> <723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com> <1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com> <49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D3CD88.6080905@flfn.org> <49D64223.8080704@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1238949153.17352.27.camel@snowgoons> On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 11:06 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > I tried > opening a random WP10 document under OOo 2.4 (Ubuntu 8.10) and it > crashed the entire suite, taking down all other open documents with it. Throwing this out as I had a very similar experience last year when I converted my parents over to Linux (Ubuntu 8.04). Perhaps my experience will lead you to a solution. They had been using WP up to that point and when I went to convert the documents over to ODF, OOo would crash while saving. I tried other documents in the same folder with the same result. Searching for a solution didn't result in anything much more than "It should work". I finally decided to try converting some other documents stored in a different directory. Those converted without a problem. Just my luck that the files I chose to convert first would be ones that had a problem. I started looking for and noticed a difference in the path and filenames between the two. The directories where it was crashing were named something like 'Book #1', and files with similar names 'story #7 - title'. I decided to try renaming the files and directory, by taking out the '#' (I also took out the spaces in the directory name - just for good measure). This fixed the problem and I was able to open and save the files in OOo without a problem after that. So, if I remember correctly, it ended up being the '#' in the path that was the problem. I just had my Mom stop using that character in naming her files. Long story short, look for special characters in the path/filename - remove/change it and see if it works. -- Dan Smith From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 14:49:43 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sun Apr 5 13:49:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: WP10 to OOo conversion References: <200903311319.n2VDJ7BN008668@sllug.org><723688.24282.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com><2f932a4a0903311726l75239d13l4aef0fc434becfd8@mail.gmail.com><1238553073.6180.10.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain><2f932a4a0903311953p51269ac1od5922fd77b1450d4@mail.gmail.com><49D2FA3C.5030602@ridgecrestherbals.com> <49D3CD88.6080905@flfn.org><49D64223.8080704@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238949153.17352.27.camel@snowgoons> Message-ID: <000d01c9b630$0cd23d00$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> i wonder if opening the WP files in OO for Windows and saving them would eliminate the note problems? jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Smith" To: "Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions" Sent: Sunday, 05 April, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: WP10 to OOo conversion > On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 11:06 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > > I tried > > opening a random WP10 document under OOo 2.4 (Ubuntu 8.10) and it > > crashed the entire suite, taking down all other open documents with it. > > Throwing this out as I had a very similar experience last year when I > converted my parents over to Linux (Ubuntu 8.04). Perhaps my experience > will lead you to a solution. > > They had been using WP up to that point and when I went to convert the > documents over to ODF, OOo would crash while saving. I tried other > documents in the same folder with the same result. Searching for a > solution didn't result in anything much more than "It should work". > > I finally decided to try converting some other documents stored in a > different directory. Those converted without a problem. Just my luck > that the files I chose to convert first would be ones that had a > problem. I started looking for and noticed a difference in the path and > filenames between the two. The directories where it was crashing were > named something like 'Book #1', and files with similar names 'story #7 - > title'. > > I decided to try renaming the files and directory, by taking out the > '#' (I also took out the spaces in the directory name - just for good > measure). This fixed the problem and I was able to open and save the > files in OOo without a problem after that. > > So, if I remember correctly, it ended up being the '#' in the path that > was the problem. I just had my Mom stop using that character in naming > her files. > > Long story short, look for special characters in the path/filename - > remove/change it and see if it works. > > -- > Dan Smith > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 16:06:17 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 5 16:06:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0904041958m4eb6f6cbha7600ac2ebc17d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D8070B.6080309@gmail.com> <1238898177.6405.12.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <6172c17e0904041958m4eb6f6cbha7600ac2ebc17d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904051506s5c71df23ibac5fc9edbe7e5e4@mail.gmail.com> Mandriva you mean? I played with the one last year, but been a while. If only Connectiva would've left the name alone... :P On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > Dude, have you guys tried the latest Mandrake?? I love Yggdrasil Linux, they > are going strong!? Oh Oh!? The beta of Fedora Core 11 is AWESOME! > > Stuart, I respect you, I appreciate you, you have taught me much and I > consider you a good friend, but I am afraid that the top posting thread has > used up you rant credits for at least April, and potentially into the > future, take a breather, please. > > -Tom Hatch > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 16:41:41 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Sun Apr 5 16:41:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat In-Reply-To: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D933A5.8020503@gmail.com> Stuart Jansen wrote: > Just a minor annoyance, but there's a space in Red Hat's name. > > And while we're on the topic, SuSE was changed to SUSE a long time ago. 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For example, I tried to compile gnome-do 0.8 because the dbus interface to Pidgin was messed up -- but Ubuntu LTS was so far behind in library support for Mono, that I couldn't even compile it without a bunch of extra effort. Instead, I installed Fedora 10 and fixed gnome-do (and sent them a patch). Now, this can bite you -- Fedora is known to break things (thinking here of when they enabled selinux by default... or when they moved from OSS to ALSA to a custom sound init to PulseAudio); but I'm comfortable fixing it. I would still probably install Ubuntu on my dad's machine. -Craig -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 18:40:10 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Sun Apr 5 18:40:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: cwdaemon In-Reply-To: <1238977658.7105.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1238977658.7105.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <49D94F6A.1060902@gmail.com> jack User wrote: > Using Synaptic i installed a program called CWDAEMON for ham radio Morse > code operation from the keyboard. using > locate cwdaemon > in a terminal gives me absolutely no results. > Synaptic says it is installed? > any suggestions? $ dpkg -L cwdaemon /. /usr /usr/sbin /usr/sbin/cwdaemon /usr/share /usr/share/cwdaemon /usr/share/cwdaemon/README /usr/share/cwdaemon/parallelport_circuit.ps /usr/share/cwdaemon/serialport_circuit.ps /usr/share/cwdaemon/parallelport_circuit.jpg /usr/share/cwdaemon/serialport_circuit.jpg /usr/share/cwdaemon/cwtest.sh /usr/share/cwdaemon/cwsetup.sh /usr/share/cwdaemon/cwtest.c /usr/share/cwdaemon/cwdaemon.png /usr/share/man /usr/share/man/man8 /usr/share/man/man8/cwdaemon.8.gz /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/cwdaemon /usr/share/doc/cwdaemon/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/cwdaemon/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/cwdaemon/README.gz /usr/share/doc/cwdaemon/TODO /usr/share/doc/cwdaemon/README.Debian /usr/share/doc/cwdaemon/copyright /usr/share/doc/cwdaemon/changelog.Debian.gz /etc /etc/default /etc/default/cwdaemon /etc/init.d /etc/init.d/cwdaemon -- _ Aaron Toponce ( ) ASCII Ribbon Campaign www.aarontoponce.org X www.asciiribbon.org / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can update the locate database by running: sudo updatedb Thad From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 18:44:12 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (jack User) Date: Sun Apr 5 18:44:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: cwdaemon In-Reply-To: <49D94F6A.1060902@gmail.com> References: <1238977658.7105.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49D94F6A.1060902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238978652.7260.0.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> thank you! that found cwdaemon! jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you > haven't waited 24 hours before running locate, it likely won't show > anything. You can update the locate database by running: > sudo updatedb > > Thad > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090405/0ea46969/attachment-0001.html From allen.schultz at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 21:09:41 2009 From: allen.schultz at gmail.com (Allen Schultz) Date: Sun Apr 5 21:09:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat In-Reply-To: <49D933A5.8020503@gmail.com> References: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D933A5.8020503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f34f8420904052009q4847b3ddiac1f88d849f6f931@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Aaron Toponce wrote: > Minor annoyances are best kept to yourself. Starting flame wars on > mailing lists get old pretty quick. Aaron, he was posted at least that much in history as I requested a "academic" styled discussion to my question, and not a flame war. Please read the previous posts to this. Allen From fozz at xmission.com Sun Apr 5 21:29:25 2009 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Sun Apr 5 21:29:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Red space Hat In-Reply-To: <49D933A5.8020503@gmail.com> References: <1238887954.3859.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D933A5.8020503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904052129.25884.fozz@xmission.com> On Sunday 05 April 2009 16:41:41 Aaron Toponce wrote: > Minor annoyances are best kept to yourself. Starting flame wars on > mailing lists get old pretty quick. I'm deeply offended! ;-) -- Doran L. Barton Open-source developer, sysadmin, consultant, and all-around geeky dude "Freshly cooked pasta is paired with chunky sauce for quick cooking in a skillet. It will expand a world of fancy pasta menu." -- Seen on a Japanese frozen dinner package From stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 07:46:05 2009 From: stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com (Steve Hildebrand) Date: Mon Apr 6 07:46:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: No one cares about your stupid top posting. In-Reply-To: <200904050150.n351oWIx006539@sllug.org> References: <200904050150.n351oWIx006539@sllug.org> Message-ID: <78387.90557.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ignorance is the same thing as ill-breeding. I didn't say that you're a horrible person if your mother never taught you to wash your hands after using the bathroom. I did say that you are ignorant of an important social convention. My mother taught me not to urinate all over my hands. Are we done with this ridiculous nonsense now? Can we move away from the discussion on formatting? Things change, people do things differently after a while. Cowboy up, already. Dogmatism is no way to live. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Interesting... -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden From travis.fisher at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 08:30:51 2009 From: travis.fisher at gmail.com (Travis & Melody Fisher) Date: Mon Apr 6 08:30:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: No one cares about your stupid top posting. In-Reply-To: <1239027997.3859.240.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904050150.n351oWIx006539@sllug.org> <78387.90557.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1239027997.3859.240.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5ea2aae70904060730r65283beboed9849da4651c24a@mail.gmail.com> Unsubscribe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Jared From byron at theclarkfamily.name Mon Apr 6 09:35:58 2009 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Mon Apr 6 09:36:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Format list.txt In-Reply-To: <49DA1FD9.804@gmail.com> References: <49DA1FD9.804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090406153558.GC4505@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 09:29:29AM -0600, Jared Bernard wrote: > For example a file list.txt contains: > > Larry Moe Curly > > I would like a quick and dirty way to reformat this txt file to look > like this: > > Larry > Moe > Curly tr ' ' ' ' < myfile.txt The command really is two lines, just hit enter after the third single quote. -- Byron Clark From jshatch at azza.com Mon Apr 6 09:41:03 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Mon Apr 6 09:41:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: No one cares about your stupid top posting. In-Reply-To: <5ea2aae70904060730r65283beboed9849da4651c24a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904050150.n351oWIx006539@sllug.org> <78387.90557.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1239027997.3859.240.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5ea2aae70904060730r65283beboed9849da4651c24a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DA228F.2020300@azza.com> Travis & Melody Fisher wrote: > Unsubscribe. +1 I never realized how hard it really is to put worms back in a can... Now I have more messages to delete. Drop it, people, we can bring it up again next year. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was aware of the tr command but not familiar with what it really did, so I'm currently checking out the man page. I would have never gotten the perl option, although the syntax looks similar to sed. thanks again. Jared From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 10:21:19 2009 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Mon Apr 6 10:21:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: No one cares about your stupid top posting. In-Reply-To: <49DA228F.2020300@azza.com> References: <200904050150.n351oWIx006539@sllug.org> <78387.90557.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1239027997.3859.240.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5ea2aae70904060730r65283beboed9849da4651c24a@mail.gmail.com> <49DA228F.2020300@azza.com> Message-ID: It's useless discussions like these ones about top posting that are the reason I filter [sllug-members] out in my blackberry email settings. Gmail lets me delete whole conversations at a time when I discover them to be useless. Is there really so little to talk about that hours of time must be spent on these arguments? Unsubscribe +5 Yes, I top posted. No, I don't care. Gmail collapses it for me so it's not a problem no matter what anyone does. Bottom posting is a convention that can be and has, at least once, been depricated by software. Shaun On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Jarom Hatch wrote: > Travis & Melody Fisher wrote: >> Unsubscribe. > > +1 > > I never realized how hard it really is to put worms back in a can... > Now I have more messages to delete. ?Drop it, people, we can bring it up > again next year. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- "You always wanted to be somebody, maybe you should have been more specific." -- Random person in the backcountry.com warehouse. From stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 10:49:44 2009 From: stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com (Steve Hildebrand) Date: Mon Apr 6 10:49:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Bad argument gets worse In-Reply-To: <200904061547.n36Fl4hw011292@sllug.org> References: <200904061547.n36Fl4hw011292@sllug.org> Message-ID: <107394.67650.qm@web90402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You really think that's why people wash their hands after using the bathroom? You really think that most people are incapable of urinating without getting it on their hands? Interesting... I also don't touch every surface in the room, and have no doubts of my personal hygiene before entering the place. Would you also advise washing up after you eat at a restaurant, go shopping, use a rental car, or try on shoes? How about after handling money? Using the facilities is such a small part of your day, I can't imagine anyone would believe that is the major source of germs. If the lavoratory is too filthy to use without washing afterwards, I will find a different place to do my business. Your original statement was correct. You are arguing a social convention that has nothing more going for it than tradition. I bathe every day, and wash my hands once or twice a day regardless. If you are falling back to an argument that employs an attempt to correlate quoting styles with an analogy intimating that people weren't raised in a 'civilized' manner, it simply shows how devoid your original assertion was. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090406/31661c6d/attachment.html From sdmorrey at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 11:47:23 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Mon Apr 6 11:47:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: All things in moderation? 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You shouldn't compare Ubuntu LTS (apples) to Fedora 10 (oranges). LTS is a Long Term Support version that is currently twice as old as Fedora 10. You should compare Ubuntu 8.10 to Fedora 10, they were released in the same quarter at least. Yes Ubuntu is generally a bit behind in versions for stability's sake. This is due to the difference in the distributions goals. Ubuntu is a stable Desktop/Server. Fedora is cutting edge new technology implementation. But even with this wide divide, the similar Ubuntu version isn't too far behind Fedora. --lonnie From sllug at fungusmovies.com Mon Apr 6 12:11:58 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Mon Apr 6 12:32:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Format list.txt In-Reply-To: <49DA25B3.50300@gmail.com> References: <49DA1FD9.804@gmail.com> <20090406153558.GC4505@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <49DA2375.5010909@azza.com> <49DA25B3.50300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bcade370904061111s66cc334vd6b5e97f2fbec123@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jared Bernard wrote: > Awesome! Both are exactly what I was looking for. I was aware of the tr > command but not familiar with what it really did, so I'm currently checking > out the man page. I would have never gotten the perl option, although the > syntax looks similar to sed. You are right they are similar to sed, because perl integrated a lot of sed syntax. Both of those perl one-liners are overkill. Why start full fledged perl when a simple sed or awk will do just fine. sed -i 's/ /\n/g' myfile.txt In this case, even sed is a bit overkill, since "tr" can handle the request just fine too. tr ' ' "\n" < origfile.txt > newfile.txt Both are better than an entire perl process. --lonnie From sdmorrey at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 12:39:05 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Mon Apr 6 12:39:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Format list.txt In-Reply-To: <8bcade370904061111s66cc334vd6b5e97f2fbec123@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DA1FD9.804@gmail.com> <20090406153558.GC4505@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <49DA2375.5010909@azza.com> <49DA25B3.50300@gmail.com> <8bcade370904061111s66cc334vd6b5e97f2fbec123@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Because Perl is the swiss army chainsaw of languages. Everyone needs a good excuse to drag out the old perl oneliners every once in awhile to keep those skills sharp. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jared Bernard > wrote: > > Awesome! Both are exactly what I was looking for. I was aware of the tr > > command but not familiar with what it really did, so I'm currently > checking > > out the man page. I would have never gotten the perl option, although the > > syntax looks similar to sed. > > You are right they are similar to sed, because perl integrated a lot > of sed syntax. > > > Both of those perl one-liners are overkill. Why start full fledged > perl when a simple sed or awk will do just fine. > > sed -i 's/ /\n/g' myfile.txt > > In this case, even sed is a bit overkill, since "tr" can handle the > request just fine too. > > tr ' ' "\n" < origfile.txt > newfile.txt > > Both are better than an entire perl process. > > > --lonnie > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090406/c8fd50a6/attachment.htm From dbb at sllug.org Mon Apr 6 13:22:41 2009 From: dbb at sllug.org (Doug Beattie) Date: Mon Apr 6 13:24:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: All things in moderation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090406192241.GA29954@beatties.us> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:47:23AM -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > Just curious but has sllug ever considered turning on moderation to put out > the flame wars before they start? I have not spoken with Jim or Marc about this, so this comment is my own opinion at this time. When we organized SLLUG and set up this site we felt that adult technologists would be using it. It was meant to be here so we could help each other with Linux and open source related problems. This site was not meant to be used to promote aything political, religious, or, as seems to be the case now, childish. It was definately not set up as a forum wherein its subscribers could be abusive towards each other. Please, quit being abusive. Please act responsibly. This will allow us, as a community, to continue to provide useful service which will help each of us grow. It would be a bad thing if our subscribers felt they had to unsubscribe so as not to be insulted or read abuse language. I hope this is all that needs to be said on the subject and done to stop this problem. Thanks for your cooperation. Doug > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- From fozz at iodynamics.com Sat Apr 4 11:35:11 2009 From: fozz at iodynamics.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Mon Apr 6 15:48:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49D794B5.9050207@gmail.com> References: <49D794B5.9050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904041235.12211.fozz@iodynamics.com> On Saturday 04 April 2009 11:11:17 u235sentinel wrote: > FYI... I may try installing Ubuntu Server as well. I suspect I won't > have this problem with xfs filesystem ;-) You shouldn't need to go with Ubuntu to use XFS. I configured an MD1000 like the one you mentioned and partitioned the resulting volume as XFS from the get-go. No restrictions necessary. The bigger question that went through my head as I read your post was this: If you're so experienced with Linux, why bother with Red Hat support? I've always viewed RH's commercial offerings as best for those without the chops to support things themselves or for people using specialized (e.g. big iron) hardware only supported by RHEL. -- fozz@iodynamics.com is Doran L. "Fozz" Barton "Give great space to the festive dog that shall sport in the roadway." -- Seen in a Tokyo traffic handbook From fozz at iodynamics.com Sat Apr 4 14:28:55 2009 From: fozz at iodynamics.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Mon Apr 6 15:48:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200904041528.55541.fozz@iodynamics.com> On Saturday 04 April 2009 15:15:32 Stuart Jansen wrote: > 1) Faster access to security updates and bug fixes. > 2) A neck to straggle that isn't your own. > 3) Cost effectiveness. We could all raise our own chickens, but for most > of us it is better to spend our time doing something else. Those look so convincing when I see them on paper or on a computer screen. Are you trying to use some mind-tricks on me? ;-) -- fozz@iodynamics.com is Doran L. "Fozz" Barton "Halloween is a scary time for moose." -- Alaska Department of Fish & Game Biologist Rick Sinnott From u235sentinel at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 17:17:45 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Apr 6 17:17:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <8bcade370904061047y4a7724fbteaaaba1ec5f9491@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <847993120904051738h17691ecfs960583ba05429289@mail.gmail.com> <8bcade370904061047y4a7724fbteaaaba1ec5f9491@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DA8D99.9050809@gmail.com> Lonnie Olson wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Craig Kelley wrote: > > > You shouldn't compare Ubuntu LTS (apples) to Fedora 10 (oranges). LTS > is a Long Term Support version that is currently twice as old as > Fedora 10. You should compare Ubuntu 8.10 to Fedora 10, they were > released in the same quarter at least. > > Yes Ubuntu is generally a bit behind in versions for stability's sake. > This is due to the difference in the distributions goals. Ubuntu is > a stable Desktop/Server. Fedora is cutting edge new technology > implementation. But even with this wide divide, the similar Ubuntu > version isn't too far behind Fedora. > > Don't forget that Debian based distros are usually slower to consider updates compared to many other linux distros. This includes Ubuntu. While I'm on the subject, 2.6 is still considered "experimental" last I checked. So yeah, Ubuntu especially 8.04 LTS will stay behind for a while. But there is nothing preventing people from adding whatever they want afterwards. I know I did :-) From u235sentinel at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 17:21:09 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Apr 6 17:21:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: New RedHat distros each mouse click :D Message-ID: <49DA8E65.6020500@gmail.com> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090405 From namonai at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 17:47:36 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Mon Apr 6 17:47:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49DA8D99.9050809@gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <847993120904051738h17691ecfs960583ba05429289@mail.gmail.com> <8bcade370904061047y4a7724fbteaaaba1ec5f9491@mail.gmail.com> <49DA8D99.9050809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <847993120904061647r40afb8c5jf5557864438758fb@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:17 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > Lonnie Olson wrote: > >> You shouldn't compare Ubuntu LTS (apples) to Fedora 10 (oranges). ?LTS >> is a Long Term Support version that is currently twice as old as >> Fedora 10. ?You should compare Ubuntu 8.10 to Fedora 10, they were >> released in the same quarter at least. > > Don't forget that Debian based distros are usually slower to consider > updates compared to many other linux distros. ?This includes Ubuntu. I see this all as a good thing. It would be boring if we only had our pick of Linux Starter Edition, Linux Home, Linux Home Premium, Linux Professional, Linux Server Edition, and Linux Ultimate. ;-) The various distributions all fill their own niches. My buddy just installed YellowDog on his Playstation 3 -- I thought that one had gone the way of Corel Linux long ago. He tried using Ubuntu PPC, but it was very broken. -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From u235sentinel at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 17:59:19 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Apr 6 17:59:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <847993120904061647r40afb8c5jf5557864438758fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <847993120904051738h17691ecfs960583ba05429289@mail.gmail.com> <8bcade370904061047y4a7724fbteaaaba1ec5f9491@mail.gmail.com> <49DA8D99.9050809@gmail.com> <847993120904061647r40afb8c5jf5557864438758fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DA9757.5050202@gmail.com> Craig Kelley wrote: > pick of Linux Starter Edition, Linux Home, Linux Home Premium, Linux > Professional, Linux Server Edition, and Linux Ultimate. ;-) > > The various distributions all fill their own niches. My buddy just > installed YellowDog on his Playstation 3 -- I thought that one had > gone the way of Corel Linux long ago. He tried using Ubuntu PPC, but > it was very broken. > > Another benefit with Linux. You can do whatever the heck you want. Heck, my kids were pushing for me to install Linux on their computers when they saw the things I was doing that Windows struggles with... And the games for linux are awesome!!! Never let anyone tell you Linux doesn't have amazing games... I've got quite a few now :D From richard at esplins.org Mon Apr 6 18:32:31 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Mon Apr 6 20:08:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support Message-ID: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. My kids are pretty young, so the games we play the most are: TuxCart SuperTux PlanetPenguin Racer Childsplay TuxPaint As my kids get older, I expect they will enjoy: FrozenBubble LinCity Slune NeverBall One day we might try: Frets on Fire FreeCiv FlightGear What else should I install for them? (BTW, don't miss out on Childsplay. They are educational games that I almost didn't install because they looked too basic. However my preschooler and kindergartener both love them and have really improved their letters and numbers by playing those games.) Richard On Monday 06 April 2009 17:59:19 u235sentinel wrote: > Another benefit with Linux. You can do whatever the heck you want. > Heck, my kids were pushing for me to install Linux on their computers > when they saw the things I was doing that Windows struggles with... And > the games for linux are awesome!!! > > Never let anyone tell you Linux doesn't have amazing games... I've got > quite a few now :D From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 20:38:59 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Apr 6 20:39:06 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904061938t28d18aafwd0454eb0296dd7a0@mail.gmail.com> Frets on Fire huh... ? Never heard of that. Is that like Guitar Hero? What distro you using? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. > > My kids are pretty young, so the games we play the most are: > TuxCart > SuperTux > PlanetPenguin Racer > Childsplay > TuxPaint > > As my kids get older, I expect they will enjoy: > FrozenBubble > LinCity > Slune > NeverBall > > One day we might try: > Frets on Fire > FreeCiv > FlightGear > > What else should I install for them? > > (BTW, don't miss out on Childsplay. They are educational games that I almost > didn't install because they looked too basic. However my preschooler and > kindergartener both love them and have really improved their letters and > numbers by playing those games.) > > Richard > > On Monday 06 April 2009 17:59:19 u235sentinel wrote: > >> Another benefit with Linux. ?You can do whatever the heck you want. >> Heck, my kids were pushing for me to install Linux on their computers >> when they saw the things I was doing that Windows struggles with... And >> the games for linux are awesome!!! >> >> Never let anyone tell you Linux doesn't have amazing games... I've got >> quite a few now :D > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From ecantwell at bluehost.com Mon Apr 6 20:47:44 2009 From: ecantwell at bluehost.com (Erick Cantwell) Date: Mon Apr 6 20:47:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <49DABED0.3080402@bluehost.com> Richard Esplin wrote: > I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. > > My kids are pretty young, so the games we play the most are: > TuxCart > SuperTux > PlanetPenguin Racer > Childsplay > TuxPaint > > As my kids get older, I expect they will enjoy: > FrozenBubble > LinCity > Slune > NeverBall > > One day we might try: > Frets on Fire > FreeCiv > FlightGear > > What else should I install for them? > > (BTW, don't miss out on Childsplay. They are educational games that I almost > didn't install because they looked too basic. However my preschooler and > kindergartener both love them and have really improved their letters and > numbers by playing those games.) > > Richard > > I would recommend checking out FlightGear. I used to have it installed on my machine and found it to be pretty neat (especially for an open source application). Don't forget that id has released Linux ports for their last couple of games, and have plans for releasing their new games in Linux as well (Doom 3 and Quake are available currently, and the plans are to have a post-windows release for Rage built on their new Tech 5 engine). thpoker is a free Texas Hold 'em game that is available for Linux and functions very well. --Erick Cantwell From ecantwell at bluehost.com Mon Apr 6 20:56:05 2009 From: ecantwell at bluehost.com (Erick Cantwell) Date: Mon Apr 6 20:56:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49DABED0.3080402@bluehost.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <49DABED0.3080402@bluehost.com> Message-ID: <49DAC0C5.8030200@bluehost.com> Richard Esplin wrote: >> I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. >> >> My kids are pretty young, so the games we play the most are: >> >> Sorry Richard, I should have read through your post more thoroughly. Those games (aside from FlightGear...depending on age) aren't really for kids. They are still good games, though. --Erick Cantwell From mmurdock at kimballequipment.com Mon Apr 6 20:55:44 2009 From: mmurdock at kimballequipment.com (Mat Murdock) Date: Mon Apr 6 20:56:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49DABED0.3080402@bluehost.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <49DABED0.3080402@bluehost.com> Message-ID: <49DAC0B0.6090800@kimballequipment.com> Erick Cantwell wrote: > Richard Esplin wrote: >> I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. >> >> My kids are pretty young, so the games we play the most are: >> TuxCart >> SuperTux >> PlanetPenguin Racer >> Childsplay >> TuxPaint >> >> As my kids get older, I expect they will enjoy: >> FrozenBubble >> LinCity >> Slune >> NeverBall >> >> One day we might try: >> Frets on Fire >> FreeCiv >> FlightGear >> >> What else should I install for them? >> >> (BTW, don't miss out on Childsplay. They are educational games that I >> almost didn't install because they looked too basic. However my >> preschooler and kindergartener both love them and have really >> improved their letters and numbers by playing those games.) >> >> Richard >> >> > I would recommend checking out FlightGear. I used to have it > installed on my machine and found it to be pretty neat (especially for > an open source application). > > Don't forget that id has released Linux ports for their last couple of > games, and have plans for releasing their new games in Linux as well > (Doom 3 and Quake are available currently, and the plans are to have a > post-windows release for Rage built on their new Tech 5 engine). > > thpoker is a free Texas Hold 'em game that is available for Linux and > functions very well. > > --Erick Cantwell > > Check out World of Goo. Not free, but very fun. http://2dboy.com/games.php Mat -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 20:58:43 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Apr 6 20:58:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49DABED0.3080402@bluehost.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <49DABED0.3080402@bluehost.com> Message-ID: <79c119390904061958j3c1e719fnf652cfd4db2e4cf9@mail.gmail.com> >> What else should I install for them? I've played LinCity, the SNES emulators, and Globulation (glob2). Of course, Quake3 works great on Linux, too. StarCraft and Diablo2 work very well with WINE (tested extensively). I'm barely out of my teen years, so YMMV with your own kids. BTW, is Java a game? I play that a lot. I even get credit for it in school. :) Jackman. From u235sentinel at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 22:02:10 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Apr 6 22:02:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <49DAD042.9020009@gmail.com> Richard Esplin wrote: > I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. > I only purchase those Windows games which are rated at Gold or Platinum. I have several that are native commercial and many that are OpenSource and totally awesome. Here is a *short* list of the games we're playing these days. Wine games we heavily play today Counterstrike Source - ( We are soo addicted to this game in my house ) Team Fortress 2 Star Craft 1 WarCraft III Call of Duty 4 Thief 2 - The Metal Age Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 The Elder Scrolls 3 - Morrowind The Elder Scrolls 4 - Oblisvion Several OpenSource games we greatly enjoy... most have a Windows client for the OS challenged ;-) Alien Arena BZFlag Brutal Chess Frets ON Fire Frozen Bubble Globulation Glest Gridwars Liquid Wars Neverball / Neverputt Nexuiz - This is an awesome game OpenArena - This is pretty awesome also :D SuperTuxKart Trackballs Typhoon Ur Quan Masters Urban Terror Warzone 2100 - KInda like Star Craft / Command & Conquer style! World of Padman - Fun kids cartoonish quake style game. Some Native Commercial games we purchased Unreal Tournament 2004 Return to Castle Wolfenstein Prey (yes, it's Native for Linux now!) World of Goo - This is one VERY addictive puzzle game. My kids all love it :-) Unreal Tournament III Just kidding about UT 3... I'm still waiting for the Native release... if it ever comes out I'll buy a few copies for Linux but not until then. I may just purchase Quake 4 and be done with it. ::Whew:: that's the short list btw.... From bwhiteley at novell.com Mon Apr 6 22:06:44 2009 From: bwhiteley at novell.com (Bart Whiteley) Date: Mon Apr 6 22:07:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <49DAD154.30708@novell.com> Richard Esplin wrote: > I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. > We like Ri-li and Xmoto. From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 22:09:45 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Mon Apr 6 22:10:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <86d2b63e0904062109v1ef18d5cydf7d52627c723ce1@mail.gmail.com> Have you sniffed at gcompri ? My Grandkids love many of the programs included. Cheers, Bob On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. > > My kids are pretty young, so the games we play the most are: > TuxCart > SuperTux > PlanetPenguin Racer > Childsplay > TuxPaint > > As my kids get older, I expect they will enjoy: > FrozenBubble > LinCity > Slune > NeverBall > > One day we might try: > Frets on Fire > FreeCiv > FlightGear > > What else should I install for them? > > (BTW, don't miss out on Childsplay. They are educational games that I > almost > didn't install because they looked too basic. However my preschooler and > kindergartener both love them and have really improved their letters and > numbers by playing those games.) > > Richard > > On Monday 06 April 2009 17:59:19 u235sentinel > wrote: > > > Another benefit with Linux. You can do whatever the heck you want. > > Heck, my kids were pushing for me to install Linux on their computers > > when they saw the things I was doing that Windows struggles with... And > > the games for linux are awesome!!! > > > > Never let anyone tell you Linux doesn't have amazing games... I've got > > quite a few now :D > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090406/50636ae5/attachment.html From richard at esplins.org Mon Apr 6 23:25:01 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Mon Apr 6 23:25:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904061938t28d18aafwd0454eb0296dd7a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2f932a4a0904061938t28d18aafwd0454eb0296dd7a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904062325.01635.richard-lists@esplins.org> Yes, like guitar hero. Using Kubuntu 8.04. Richard On Monday 06 April 2009 20:38:59 Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Frets on Fire huh... ? Never heard of that. Is that like Guitar Hero? > > What distro you using? From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 23:32:32 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Apr 6 23:32:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904062325.01635.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2f932a4a0904061938t28d18aafwd0454eb0296dd7a0@mail.gmail.com> <200904062325.01635.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <79c119390904062232x25dd69bcy56bb8546f95265fe@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > Yes, like guitar hero. > I don't know about the Linux version, but Windows supports the USB Guitar Hero/Rock Band guitars. From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 23:56:40 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Apr 6 23:56:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: ACPI and Ethernet Message-ID: <79c119390904062256w18a75e10yeb4bcbab67c3efcc@mail.gmail.com> I am using Gentoo 2008.0 and I just installed Linux on my HP laptop for the second time. I am having a similar problem that I had before and I'm not sure what the problem is specifically. Hopefully you will be able to point me in the right direction. The symptoms are that when ACPI is enabled in the kernel, the ethernet card refuses to work. It shows up, ifconfig sees it, and I can configure it manually, but it doesn't transmit or receive data. I've tried deselecting everything under ACPI with ACPI still enabled in the config, but it still doesn't work. When I deselect ACPI, it works. My best [yet ignorant] guess is that it's pushing the ethernet card into a sleep mode by default. If this is the case, I don't know how to wake it up. I have tried doing searches to find any similar problems. Because I haven't turned up and promising results, I am thinking that the answer is obvious and I just don't see it. If this were anything other than a mobile appliance, I wouldn't care. It's a Toshiba Satellite L25 with a 8139too ethernet card. If you need any other specs, I'll be happy to provide them. Thanks. Jackman. Here are the only references that I could find to this laptop and linux: http://cmccabe.freeshell.org/edgy_l25_s119.html http://cmccabe.freeshell.org/ubuntu_l25_s119.html http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Toshiba+Satellite+L25 From richard at esplins.org Mon Apr 6 23:33:09 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Tue Apr 7 00:03:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> Thanks for all of the suggestions. These will be fun to experiment with the kids. I can't help with the dishes right now. No, I'm not _just_ playing computer games. I'm bonding! It's my fatherly _duty_! Richard On Monday 06 April 2009 18:32:31 Richard Esplin wrote: > I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. From benko.kevin at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 08:32:11 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Tue Apr 7 08:33:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <200904070832.26990.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Monday 06 April 2009 18:32:31 Richard Esplin wrote: > I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. [snip] Well, my list of favorite native-GNU+Linux games is not very children-oriented, but I do like mentioning these games whenever someone tells me that there are no native-GNU+Linux games: Sauerbraten (aka Cube2) : it's a first-person shooter Warzone 2100 : a formerly-proprietary real-time strategy/tactics game released to the "open source" community. Glob2 (?? globulation2... I haven't played it much, but it's on my list) Alien Arena : First person shooter Nexuiz : First Person Shooter Warsow : First Person Shooter Urban Terror : Yup, it's a first-person shooter.... If you can find any of the old Loki games out there.... -- Kevin Benko Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking together in the same direction. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090407/98c12b1d/attachment.pgp From mark.k.spute at L-3com.com Tue Apr 7 08:35:36 2009 From: mark.k.spute at L-3com.com (mark.k.spute@L-3com.com) Date: Tue Apr 7 08:36:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> On Monday 06 April 2009 18:32:31 Richard Esplin wrote: > I would appreciate the list of Linux games you like. My kids want their own computer. I have been hesitant (not to mention way too busy) to deal with it, but the time is coming. They are 7 & 5. They play games on my wife's WinXP box. What would be a good minimal specification for a games computer for them. I like to buy surplus equipment from places like University Surplus and the State Surplus. What should I look for? (I.E. CPU, speed, RAM, disk size & storage, video card, etc.) Thanks From sdmorrey at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 08:38:41 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Tue Apr 7 08:38:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Generating a Flowchart from Code? Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Not too long ago I was hired to track down a bug in a very large project, the kicker is that this very large project is an extension to another very large project. We are literally talking a million lines of code and the bug is "somewhere in there". A flow chart was made early on in the development process, but the code no longer closely mirrors the chart, so I think a good place to start would be to generate a flowchart of my own so that I can more easily see what's going on. The project is written in C and I'm wondering if anyone knows a good free tool for generating a flowchart from C code? Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090407/9de42941/attachment.html From dbb at sllug.org Tue Apr 7 08:41:01 2009 From: dbb at sllug.org (Doug Beattie) Date: Tue Apr 7 08:42:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Generating a Flowchart from Code? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090407144101.GA23569@beatties.us> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 08:38:41AM -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Not too long ago I was hired to track down a bug in a very large project, > the kicker is that this very large project is an extension to another very > large project. > We are literally talking a million lines of code and the bug is "somewhere > in there". > > > A flow chart was made early on in the development process, but the code no > longer closely mirrors the chart, so I think a good place to start would be > to generate a flowchart of my own so that I can more easily see what's going > on. > The project is written in C and I'm wondering if anyone knows a good free > tool for generating a flowchart from C code? Steve, You may wish to obtain and try cxref and cflow. They are older non-graphical tools but they worked for me years ago. Doug > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > Steve > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 08:48:45 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Tue Apr 7 08:48:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Generating a Flowchart from Code? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86d2b63e0904070748y78578b90wa0b5ba881aee184c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Not too long ago I was hired to track down a bug in a very large project, > the kicker is that this very large project is an extension to another very > large project. > We are literally talking a million lines of code and the bug is "somewhere > in there". > > > A flow chart was made early on in the development process, but the code no > longer closely mirrors the chart, so I think a good place to start would be > to generate a flowchart of my own so that I can more easily see what's going > on. > The project is written in C and I'm wondering if anyone knows a good free > tool for generating a flowchart from C code? > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > Steve > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members This is probably not what you want but have you sniffed at CSCOPE? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090407/11bd3ae8/attachment.htm From fozz at xmission.com Tue Apr 7 09:04:29 2009 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:04:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, WAS Re: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <200904070904.30112.fozz@xmission.com> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 08:35:36 mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: > My kids want their own computer. I have been hesitant (not to mention > way too busy) to deal with it, but the time is coming. They are 7 & 5. > They play games on my wife's WinXP box. > > What would be a good minimal specification for a games computer for > them. I like to buy surplus equipment from places like University > Surplus and the State Surplus. What should I look for? (I.E. CPU, > speed, RAM, disk size & storage, video card, etc.) I think a 1Ghz or faster P4 or Athlon is probably sufficient for a CPU. 1GB RAM. The important thing for games is a decent video card. If the computer you get doesn't have good accelerated (Intel, NVidia, or ATI) video, you'll want to put in a decent video card to replace the old or onboard video. I've got a handful of nice AGP video cards which will go into older motherboards if you're interested. -- Doran L. Barton Open-source developer, sysadmin, consultant, and all-around geeky dude "When passenger of foot heave in sight, tootle the horn. Trumpet him melodiously at first, but if he still obstacles your passage then tootle him with vigor." -- From a brochure of a car rental firm in Tokyo From richard at esplins.org Tue Apr 7 10:38:30 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:38:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Generating a Flowchart from Code? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200904071038.30457.richard-lists@esplins.org> Google suggests AutoDia and ArgoUML. Google also says: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=116631 http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/uml.html I have not personally tried these tools. Good luck, Richard On Tuesday 07 April 2009 08:38:41 Steven Morrey wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Not too long ago I was hired to track down a bug in a very large project, > the kicker is that this very large project is an extension to another very > large project. > We are literally talking a million lines of code and the bug is "somewhere > in there". > > > A flow chart was made early on in the development process, but the code no > longer closely mirrors the chart, so I think a good place to start would be > to generate a flowchart of my own so that I can more easily see what's > going on. > The project is written in C and I'm wondering if anyone knows a good free > tool for generating a flowchart from C code? > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > Steve From thatch45 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 11:55:17 2009 From: thatch45 at gmail.com (Thomas S Hatch) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:55:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Generating a Flowchart from Code? In-Reply-To: <200904071038.30457.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904071038.30457.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <6172c17e0904071055j3d56a172h228bec56de1dd35@mail.gmail.com> Umbrello? On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Richard Esplin wrote: > Google suggests AutoDia and ArgoUML. > > Google also says: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=116631 > http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/uml.html > > I have not personally tried these tools. > > Good luck, > > Richard > > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 08:38:41 Steven Morrey > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Not too long ago I was hired to track down a bug in a very large project, > > the kicker is that this very large project is an extension to another > very > > large project. > > We are literally talking a million lines of code and the bug is > "somewhere > > in there". > > > > > > A flow chart was made early on in the development process, but the code > no > > longer closely mirrors the chart, so I think a good place to start would > be > > to generate a flowchart of my own so that I can more easily see what's > > going on. > > The project is written in C and I'm wondering if anyone knows a good free > > tool for generating a flowchart from C code? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Sincerely, > > Steve > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <6172c17e0904071055j3d56a172h228bec56de1dd35@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904071038.30457.richard-lists@esplins.org> <6172c17e0904071055j3d56a172h228bec56de1dd35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I tried umbrello and it froze for 30 solid minutes on the source code and then segfaulted. :( On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > Umbrello? > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Richard Esplin wrote: > >> Google suggests AutoDia and ArgoUML. >> >> Google also says: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=116631 >> http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/uml.html >> >> I have not personally tried these tools. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Richard >> >> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 08:38:41 Steven Morrey >> wrote: >> > Hi Everyone, >> > >> > Not too long ago I was hired to track down a bug in a very large >> project, >> > the kicker is that this very large project is an extension to another >> very >> > large project. >> > We are literally talking a million lines of code and the bug is >> "somewhere >> > in there". >> > >> > >> > A flow chart was made early on in the development process, but the code >> no >> > longer closely mirrors the chart, so I think a good place to start would >> be >> > to generate a flowchart of my own so that I can more easily see what's >> > going on. >> > The project is written in C and I'm wondering if anyone knows a good >> free >> > tool for generating a flowchart from C code? >> > >> > Thanks in advance! >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > Steve >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090407/f0340401/attachment.html From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 18:57:02 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Apr 7 18:57:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: > > > My kids want their own computer. I have been hesitant (not to mention > way too busy) to deal with it, but the time is coming. They are 7 & 5. > They play games on my wife's WinXP box. > > What would be a good minimal specification for a games computer for > them. I like to buy surplus equipment from places like University > Surplus and the State Surplus. What should I look for? (I.E. CPU, > speed, RAM, disk size & storage, video card, etc.) > > Thanks The system I build is rather high end I think. I could have put more into it but felt it more than sufficient for what I wanted to accomplish here. Here's what I built but mind you, if you are looking at high end graphics, you will need a really nice card to get everything out of your system. 1 Core 2 duo (3.16 Ghz) 4 gigs ram (crucial ram is pretty good) Asus MB (forget the model off the top of my head) Nvidia 9800GTX+ (came overclocked from the factory) Antec silent case OCZ Powersupply Arctic Freezer CPU heatsink/fan (also silent operation) 20X DVD burner (2) 750 Gb Seagate hard drives (not the .11 crappy bricking ones. It's a .10) Soundblaster Live soundcard. Looking at purchasing a few e1000 cards as I want to get Gig on my system. I have it from the Mobo but the drivers I suspect are causing occasional latency when playing online games. If that's not the issue then I'm upgrading WINE to version 1.1.15. I have that on my kids computers right now and it seems to be working fine. They also have a different nic. I"m curious where the problem is :D As far as minimum hardware goes, get the best card you can afford. Preferably Nvidia. ATI has too many problems. They have better support these days but I simply don't recommend it for serious gaming under Linux. Also at least a gig of memory but I recommend at least 2 Gb. Finally pay attention to the sound card. Most on board sound cards should be ok but my Asus Mobo has been a pain so I bought the Live card. I'm hoping this will clear up some of the static problems I've had with in game chatting over Counterstrike Source. I miss being able to talk to people while fragging them :D Just doesn't work well under WINE I"m afraid :/ From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 19:01:23 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Apr 7 19:01:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: knowplace.org - Linux Large Filesystems Support Message-ID: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> http://www.knowplace.org/pages/howtos/linux_large_filesystems_support.php Here is the web site I found for how to create VERY large volumes with Linux. I found with RedHat 4.6 it simply doens't work. Period. I've been working with one of their engineers the last couple days to track the problem down. No luck and I simply had to move forward. I'm behind schedule because of this RedHat 5.3 however worked just great with GPT and ext3. I know the article said xfs however RedHat didn't seem to support it and insisted it works with ext3 just fine. In RH 5.3 it didn't core dump or seg. fault however I had to tell it mkfs.ext3 -F /dev/mydevice to get it working. 8.9 Terabyte volume created, formatted and mounted. God what's next. Dare I ask ;-) From matt at frozenatom.com Tue Apr 7 19:17:16 2009 From: matt at frozenatom.com (Matt Nelson) Date: Tue Apr 7 19:23:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: knowplace.org - Linux Large Filesystems Support In-Reply-To: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> References: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <148f6bb30904071817n34897e5dy42ae19a55e2f42a2@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > http://www.knowplace.org/pages/howtos/linux_large_filesystems_support.php > > Here is the web site I found for how to create VERY large volumes with > Linux. I found with RedHat 4.6 it simply doens't work. Period. I've been > working with one of their engineers the last couple days to track the > problem down. No luck and I simply had to move forward. I'm behind > schedule because of this > > RedHat 5.3 however worked just great with GPT and ext3. I know the article > said xfs however RedHat didn't seem to support it and insisted it works with > ext3 just fine. > In RH 5.3 it didn't core dump or seg. fault however I had to tell it > mkfs.ext3 -F /dev/mydevice to get it working. > > 8.9 Terabyte volume created, formatted and mounted. God what's next. > > Dare I ask ;-) > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > ext4 works great for the 10TB I manage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Donald Livingston wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > >> I tried to resist responding, > > > You failed apparently. > > >> but it bugs me that people still think the >> argument against top posting is mere tradition, whim, or technical >> limitation. (BTW, this introduction is a perfect demonstration that the >> argument is entirely about readability, not location of text.) >> >> *snip* >> >> Besides, I find it hard to believe that the iPhone lacks basic text >> selection and deletion for editing replies. >> >> > Whether or not you believe it doesn't change the fact that it is so. (At > least until iPhone v3.0 comes out) > > >> My argument is based entirely on human convenience. I just don't care >> much about the convenience of the author. I care about the reader. > > > Then you have to admit that you are basing your argument on a subjective > point-of-view. What one reader finds convenient may differ wildly from what > another finds convenient even in similar circumstances. > > >> If you are aware of the social convention and choose to ignore it, at >> that point you are rude. In the greater scheme of things, it may rank on >> the same level as cutting in line. But a person who repeatedly cuts in >> line is still a jerk and deserves to be told so. >> >> > I was content to remain silent during this whole thread because I had no > strong opinions on the matter. But I sick of felling like I'm stuck in a > hair salon/Relief Society meeting with a dozen old ladies, each trying to > get in the last word. > > For the record I prefer to read a well formatted/edited email as opposed to > one carrying a lot of unnecessary baggage. To me it shows a sign that the > writer was considerate and thoughtful. But as a convention, I consider it > more equivalent to choosing to eat your salad with a desert fork, or > buttering your toast with a steak knife, rather than cutting in line. It may > be looked down on in certain circumstances and in certain circles, but there > are times when you have to use whatever tools you have at hand as > circumstances dictate, as imperfect and inelegant as it may seem to others. > > This will be my last words on the matter, Thank you. > > -- > Don Livingston > www.donaldlivingston.com > "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?" > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > and bottom posting and am not going to the text in between. Sorry I have contained myself as long as I could without a snide remark, but the fact that this rant has gone on for so long, I could not help it any longer :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090407/79aa81b2/attachment-0001.html From sdmorrey at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 22:31:21 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Tue Apr 7 22:31:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Okay, I was (also) wrong. In-Reply-To: <148f6bb30904071833v19f8673o8ea40d921fb725d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238566007.3762.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D3C27C.5000303@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1238889399.3859.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <249fe29d0904041923i6ecddbaei914c17cd546d6c0c@mail.gmail.com> <148f6bb30904071833v19f8673o8ea40d921fb725d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It had almost died until you resurrected it :( On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Matt Nelson wrote: > I'm just going to play the part of a troll, and do a bit of top... > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Donald Livingston > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: >> >>> I tried to resist responding, >> >> >> You failed apparently. >> >> >>> but it bugs me that people still think the >>> argument against top posting is mere tradition, whim, or technical >>> limitation. (BTW, this introduction is a perfect demonstration that the >>> argument is entirely about readability, not location of text.) >>> >>> *snip* >>> >>> Besides, I find it hard to believe that the iPhone lacks basic text >>> selection and deletion for editing replies. >>> >>> >> Whether or not you believe it doesn't change the fact that it is so. (At >> least until iPhone v3.0 comes out) >> >> >>> My argument is based entirely on human convenience. I just don't care >>> much about the convenience of the author. I care about the reader. >> >> >> Then you have to admit that you are basing your argument on a subjective >> point-of-view. What one reader finds convenient may differ wildly from what >> another finds convenient even in similar circumstances. >> >> >>> If you are aware of the social convention and choose to ignore it, at >>> that point you are rude. In the greater scheme of things, it may rank on >>> the same level as cutting in line. But a person who repeatedly cuts in >>> line is still a jerk and deserves to be told so. >>> >>> >> I was content to remain silent during this whole thread because I had no >> strong opinions on the matter. But I sick of felling like I'm stuck in a >> hair salon/Relief Society meeting with a dozen old ladies, each trying to >> get in the last word. >> >> For the record I prefer to read a well formatted/edited email as opposed >> to one carrying a lot of unnecessary baggage. To me it shows a sign that the >> writer was considerate and thoughtful. But as a convention, I consider it >> more equivalent to choosing to eat your salad with a desert fork, or >> buttering your toast with a steak knife, rather than cutting in line. It may >> be looked down on in certain circumstances and in certain circles, but there >> are times when you have to use whatever tools you have at hand as >> circumstances dictate, as imperfect and inelegant as it may seem to others. >> >> This will be my last words on the matter, Thank you. >> >> -- >> Don Livingston >> www.donaldlivingston.com >> "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?" >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > and bottom posting and am not going to the text in between. > > Sorry I have contained myself as long as I could without a snide remark, > but the fact that this rant has gone on for so long, I could not help it any > longer :-) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090407/8bd81c15/attachment.htm From white.armor at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 21:18:24 2009 From: white.armor at gmail.com (Jordan Schatz) Date: Wed Apr 8 04:46:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, In-Reply-To: <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> University and State surplus? Is there a website or other good source you could share? Thanks, Jordan > mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: >> >> >> What would be a good minimal specification for a games computer for >> them. I like to buy surplus equipment from places like University >> Surplus and the State Surplus. What should I look for? (I.E. CPU, >> speed, RAM, disk size & storage, video card, etc.) >> >> Thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090407/c340bf07/attachment.pgp From mark.k.spute at L-3com.com Wed Apr 8 07:18:46 2009 From: mark.k.spute at L-3com.com (mark.k.spute@L-3com.com) Date: Wed Apr 8 07:19:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, In-Reply-To: <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org><200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org><2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com><49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> Message-ID: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F32@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Jordan Schatz wrote: >University and State surplus? Is there a website or other good source you could share? >Thanks, >Jordan Not that I know of. University Surplus is up on the grounds of Fort Douglass. State Surplus is located down by the prison. I usually just drive in and look around. By far, University Surplus is the most interesting. They have _all kinds_ of stuff in there. From jhavey at xmission.com Wed Apr 8 08:11:31 2009 From: jhavey at xmission.com (John Havey) Date: Wed Apr 8 08:06:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: University Surplus and Salvage In-Reply-To: <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> Message-ID: <1239199891.2878.12.camel@prod> On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 21:18 -0600, Jordan Schatz wrote: > University and State surplus? Is there a website or other good source > you could share? > Their website at http://web.utah.edu/surplus/ shows a picture of the building, which makes it easy to recognize, and describes the system, which gets a little complicated because education and government organizations get first choice. After a couple weeks the public can buy, and as time goes on prices are dropped. You can get a PDF of their stock by clicking on "Surplus Property for Sale" at the bottom of the left menu column. It is updated weekly and shows status and price of items. At the top of the left menu column click on "Find Us" to get directions, including information on where to park, and a link to a campus map that lets you zoom out till you are oriented. John From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 08:22:11 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Apr 8 08:22:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F32@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F32@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:18 AM, wrote: > Jordan Schatz wrote: > >>University and State surplus? Is there a website or other good source > you could share? > >>Thanks, >>Jordan > > Not that I know of. ?University Surplus is up on the grounds of Fort > Douglass. ?State Surplus is located down by the prison. ?I usually just > drive in and look around. ?By far, University Surplus is the most > interesting. ?They have _all kinds_ of stuff in there. University of Utah Surplus -- http://fbs.admin.utah.edu/index.php/surplus/ Dunno about whether the state has a website or not. Clint From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 08:26:05 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Apr 8 08:26:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: REMINDER: SLLUG Daytime SIG Meeting - Cooking with PAM - TODAY @ 11:30am Message-ID: Hi all, just sending out a reminder that the SLLUG Daytime SIG will be meeting this Wednesday @ 11:30am. The presentation details are below: Cooking with PAM Thad Van Ry will cover the basics of Pluggable Authentication Modules (PAM). If you?re a Sys Admin who wants to know how PAM can help you or hurt you, this meeting is for you. Thad will go over the different stacks available as well as how to call modules and their control flags. Thad is a Linux System Administrator for the LDS Church. He has been using Linux in his work life for the past 12+ years. We meet in conference room A on the lower level of the Salt Lake Library. Head down the stairs, make a left turn. The conference room is directly under the foyer area (the area with all the shops on the 1st level) If you aren?t clear, ask the information desk. Also, our meetings should be posted on the Electric Signs by the entrance to the library on the first floor. Cheers, Clint From brandon.stout at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 06:39:33 2009 From: brandon.stout at gmail.com (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Apr 8 09:42:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, In-Reply-To: <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> Message-ID: <49DC9B05.2000203@gmail.com> Jordan Schatz wrote: > University and State surplus? Is there a website or other good source > you could share? > > Thanks, > Jordan U of U surplus: http://fbs.admin.utah.edu/index.php/surplus/ Brandon From mark.s.levitt at L-3com.com Wed Apr 8 10:14:29 2009 From: mark.s.levitt at L-3com.com (mark.s.levitt@L-3com.com) Date: Wed Apr 8 10:15:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Generating a Flowchart from Code? In-Reply-To: <200904080134.n381YBji013433@sllug.org> References: <200904080134.n381YBji013433@sllug.org> Message-ID: <06585430478E1D418B54779AFABA24D39AC46E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> You might consider these two options: Use doxygen (a recent version) with 'dot' and the UML features activated. It won't generate a flow chart but will create call / caller graphs and class hierarchies. Use the code that has run for a flow chart of what it did. Running gprof and transforming the output to a 'dot' file for graphviz will create some (possibly) interesting and valuable output. If this (http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery/directed/profile.html) is interesting, see the 'Generators and Translators' section here (http://www.graphviz.org/Resources.php). >I tried umbrello and it froze for 30 solid minutes on the source code and >then segfaulted. :( > From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 10:26:01 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Wed Apr 8 10:26:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Generating a Flowchart from Code? In-Reply-To: <06585430478E1D418B54779AFABA24D39AC46E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <200904080134.n381YBji013433@sllug.org> <06585430478E1D418B54779AFABA24D39AC46E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: Thanks, we have a call graph generated by doxgen, and thats great and all but it totally misses out on the logic which is what I'm actually trying to debug. Being able to visualize not only the components and order that they are called, but under what conditions i.e. the logic, is what I'm really after. I wish I could find a program that could do this sort of thing, it seems like something any maintainer would want/need. There are a few programs that do this but the Linux selections all seem to be either really buggy, or just simply unable to handle a code base of this size. Even if I had to do it file by file that would probably be ok, but I would sure love something that could generate not only the call graph but the entire flow chart. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:14 AM, wrote: > You might consider these two options: > > Use doxygen (a recent version) with 'dot' and the UML features > activated. It won't generate a flow chart but will create call / caller > graphs and class hierarchies. > > Use the code that has run for a flow chart of what it did. Running > gprof and transforming the output to a 'dot' file for graphviz will > create some (possibly) interesting and valuable output. If this > (http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery/directed/profile.html) is interesting, > see the 'Generators and Translators' section here > (http://www.graphviz.org/Resources.php). > > >I tried umbrello and it froze for 30 solid minutes on the source code > and > >then segfaulted. :( > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090408/7a77addb/attachment.htm From sllug at fungusmovies.com Wed Apr 8 11:08:55 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Wed Apr 8 11:08:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: knowplace.org - Linux Large Filesystems Support In-Reply-To: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> References: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bcade370904081008l2197ccddxe05e121283eabffe@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > 8.9 Terabyte volume created, formatted and mounted. ?God what's next. > > Dare I ask ;-) Dare I suggest ZFS? I think I do. Yes you have to deal with Solaris, but for a file server, it's not too painful. You can go OpenSolaris for free, or real Solaris for big fancy support. ZFS is the best thing since sliced bread. --lonnie From u235sentinel at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 17:58:17 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Thu Apr 9 09:04:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: knowplace.org - Linux Large Filesystems Support In-Reply-To: <8bcade370904081008l2197ccddxe05e121283eabffe@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> <8bcade370904081008l2197ccddxe05e121283eabffe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD3A19.4000507@gmail.com> Lonnie Olson wrote: > > > Dare I suggest ZFS? I think I do. Yes you have to deal with Solaris, > but for a file server, it's not too painful. You can go OpenSolaris > for free, or real Solaris for big fancy support. > > ZFS is the best thing since sliced bread. > > I know. I've been with Solaris almost as long as Linux so it definitely was an option. I have a couple of Solaris 10 systems running ZFS. This system however they decided to go with RedHat. My preference would have been reiser but then going to jail for murder screwed that up. Too bad. I'm hoping ext4 is as good as I'm hearing. From bms at mscis.org Wed Apr 8 20:54:00 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Thu Apr 9 09:08:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC Message-ID: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a few tracks that I ripped to Apple Lossless a while ago. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm ripping to FLAC now because I like the fact that it's an open standard, and it's more Linux friendly. I have at least one track I can't rip from the CD anymore because the CD is damaged. I'd like to convert the Apple Lossless file over to FLAC. VLC looks like it might be able to do it, but it doesn't let me pick higher than a 512 bit rate. What do some of you use to convert Apple Lossless to FLAC? Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkndY0gACgkQx0pgn74qrcIlawCfZ8BUjDgKoPtIS/5yjppHGcIl SfwAn2w+yXjfQDSENhK8j4cruHElGTWI =/LiL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 09:20:14 2009 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Thu Apr 9 09:20:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: knowplace.org - Linux Large Filesystems Support In-Reply-To: <49DD3A19.4000507@gmail.com> References: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> <8bcade370904081008l2197ccddxe05e121283eabffe@mail.gmail.com> <49DD3A19.4000507@gmail.com> Message-ID: > I know. ?I've been with Solaris almost as long as Linux so it definitely was > an option. ?I have a couple of Solaris 10 systems running ZFS. ?This system > however they decided to go with RedHat. > > My preference would have been reiser but then going to jail for murder > screwed that up. ?Too bad. ?I'm hoping ext4 is as good as I'm hearing. I liked reiser once too. I had a data loss and a near data loss off of improper shutdowns. That combined with the recommendations I had gotten from others who suggested that ext3 was more reliable is what got me to move along to another filesystem. That said, ZFS sounds really cool if I ever have a spare machine kicking around that I feel like using for that. Shaun From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 09:21:25 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Apr 9 09:21:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: knowplace.org - Linux Large Filesystems Support In-Reply-To: <49DD3A19.4000507@gmail.com> References: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> <8bcade370904081008l2197ccddxe05e121283eabffe@mail.gmail.com> <49DD3A19.4000507@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > Lonnie Olson wrote: > >> >> >> Dare I suggest ZFS? I think I do. Yes you have to deal with Solaris, >> but for a file server, it's not too painful. You can go OpenSolaris >> for free, or real Solaris for big fancy support. >> >> ZFS is the best thing since sliced bread. >> >> >> > I know. I've been with Solaris almost as long as Linux so it definitely > was an option. I have a couple of Solaris 10 systems running ZFS. This > system however they decided to go with RedHat. > > My preference would have been reiser but then going to jail for murder > screwed that up. Too bad. I'm hoping ext4 is as good as I'm hearing. > > Tech 1: "ReiserFS ? I've heard that's murder when you get it!" Tech 2: "Nah it's fine, as long as you're not married to it." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have > at least one track I can't rip from the CD anymore because the CD is > damaged. I'd like to convert the Apple Lossless file over to FLAC. VLC > looks like it might be able to do it, but it doesn't let me pick higher > than a 512 bit rate. What do some of you use to convert Apple Lossless > to FLAC? > > Brandon > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkndY0gACgkQx0pgn74qrcIlawCfZ8BUjDgKoPtIS/5yjppHGcIl > SfwAn2w+yXjfQDSENhK8j4cruHElGTWI > =/LiL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/2d25ba81/attachment.html From alansyoungiii at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 15:27:58 2009 From: alansyoungiii at gmail.com (Alan Young) Date: Thu Apr 9 09:47:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, In-Reply-To: <49DC9B05.2000203@gmail.com> References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> <49DC9B05.2000203@gmail.com> Message-ID: Utah State Surplus http://stores.ebay.com/utahsurplus -- Alan Sent from Midvale, Utah, United States From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 8 19:12:52 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 9 09:55:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: can you tell me how to fix this? Message-ID: <1239239572.6310.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. E: _cache->open() failed, please report. thank you jack From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 09:59:14 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Apr 9 09:59:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: can you tell me how to fix this? In-Reply-To: <1239239572.6310.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1239239572.6310.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: No because you failed to mention what distro and also what program and version you are using. Also you haven't bothered to enlighten us on what you are trying to accomplish by running whatever program is giving you the error, and/or what steps you have taken to research the problem and/or rectify the problem yourself. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header > E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. > E: _cache->open() failed, please report. > > thank you > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/94187451/attachment.htm From acousticism at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:14:55 2009 From: acousticism at gmail.com (Jordan Jones) Date: Thu Apr 9 10:04:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: CSS question? Message-ID: <6a6436d10904081214q513443bal381b08b4efd7d124@mail.gmail.com> So I have been searching around for an answer to this question, even chatted with someone at xmission and still no answer. Right now with my website I am trying to place a transparent window with content that is not transparent in it on top of a background. The problem is I am using the in css as the background image. I have created a
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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/49441cdc/attachment.htm From fozz at xmission.com Thu Apr 9 10:12:21 2009 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Thu Apr 9 10:12:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> Message-ID: <200904091012.21975.fozz@xmission.com> On Wednesday 08 April 2009 20:54:00 Brandon Stout wrote: > I have a few tracks that I ripped to Apple Lossless a while ago. As I > mentioned in another thread, I'm ripping to FLAC now because I like the > fact that it's an open standard, and it's more Linux friendly. I have > at least one track I can't rip from the CD anymore because the CD is > damaged. I'd like to convert the Apple Lossless file over to FLAC. VLC > looks like it might be able to do it, but it doesn't let me pick higher > than a 512 bit rate. What do some of you use to convert Apple Lossless > to FLAC? Have you tried ffmpeg or mencoder? -- Doran L. Barton Open-source developer, sysadmin, consultant, and all-around geeky dude "We serve people like you as good food!" -- A sign outside a Japanese restaurant From matthew at azza.com Thu Apr 9 09:42:11 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Thu Apr 9 10:28:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> Message-ID: <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > I have a few tracks that I ripped to Apple Lossless a while ago. As I > mentioned in another thread, I'm ripping to FLAC now because I like > the > fact that it's an open standard, and it's more Linux friendly. I have > at least one track I can't rip from the CD anymore because the CD is > damaged. I'd like to convert the Apple Lossless file over to FLAC. > VLC > looks like it might be able to do it, but it doesn't let me pick > higher > than a 512 bit rate. What do some of you use to convert Apple > Lossless > to FLAC? > > Brandon I'm not familiar with any tools to do a direct conversion, but Since they're both lossless, just use something to playback the Apple file to a .wav and then use FLAC to re-compress it. You won't lose any quality that way, and it's just one extra step. From sdmorrey at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:34:07 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Apr 9 10:52:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A new day and a new language? Message-ID: I'm systems and applications programmer primarily working in C. I also work everyday with C++/Java and even some Perl and Python thrown in for good measure. I'm thinking about learning a new language just so I can keep my skills sharpened on the latest and greatest stuff. With all the talk about cloud computing, web 2.0 etc I figured my next language ought to be one of these new fangled web app languages. I'd like to learn a language that will most likely stick around awhile because it is fundamentally good at what it does "web apps" without necessarily being a domain specific language. I've read about Ruby on Rails, and also a bit about Scala / Lift and few others and am wondering what the list thinks of these i.e. strengths, weaknesses etc. Also are there any others I'm missing that might be even better to spend time learning. I'm an old dog, trying to teach myself a new trick, so having a plethora of easy to follow, well commented examples means I'll learn the language that much quicker. Thoughts? Sincerely, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try this: mplayer -ao pulse:filename=fileout.wav filein.m4a flac fileout.wav If you're using alsa or oss, use that instead of pulse From dragen at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:03:20 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:03:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A new day and a new language? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6902ba8e0904091003r15c5fd80id1728994b731747c@mail.gmail.com> You seem to have your grasp of C based languages down. So you may find PHP a walk in the park. Ruby, and the framework Ruby on Rails, are a growing trend. Lift is a framework for Scala. Scala appears to be a Java spin off, which could be cool. I'm interested in what other frameworks/languages will get mentioned. Good luck in your search! On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > I'm systems and applications programmer primarily working in C. > I also work everyday with C++/Java and even some Perl and Python thrown in > for good measure. > I'm thinking about learning a new language just so I can keep my skills > sharpened on the latest and greatest stuff. > With all the talk about cloud computing, web 2.0 etc I figured my next > language ought to be one of these new fangled web app languages. > I'd like to learn a language that will most likely stick around awhile > because it is fundamentally good at what it does "web apps" without > necessarily being a domain specific language. > I've read about Ruby on Rails, and also a bit about Scala / Lift and few > others and am wondering what the list thinks of these i.e. strengths, > weaknesses etc. > Also are there any others I'm missing that might be even better to spend > time learning. > I'm an old dog, trying to teach myself a new trick, so having a plethora of > easy to follow, well commented examples means I'll learn the language that > much quicker. > > Thoughts? > > Sincerely, > Steve > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: jack Subject: [Question #66919]: update manager and synaptic won't start Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:14:12 -0000 Size: 2472 Url: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090408/bf57e3bd/attachment.mht From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:08:27 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:08:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> Message-ID: > I've used mplayer in the past to do audio conversions. Try this: > mplayer -ao pulse:filename=fileout.wav filein.m4a > flac fileout.wav > > If you're using alsa or oss, use that instead of pulse Sorry, some corrections. use file=, not filename= I was actually using -ao pcm, not -ao {pulse,alsa,oss,etc} pcm works fine for me, but when I tried to use alsa I wasn't able to open/initialize audio device I have heard that pcm fails for *.wavs > 4GB, but a song that is only few minutes long won't even use a fraction of that. From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:08:26 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:08:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A new day and a new language? In-Reply-To: <6902ba8e0904091003r15c5fd80id1728994b731747c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6902ba8e0904091003r15c5fd80id1728994b731747c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah I should have mentioned PHP, I forgot I knew it, it's been awhile since I've had to use it. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Adam Barrett wrote: > You seem to have your grasp of C based languages down. So you may find PHP > a walk in the park. > > Ruby, and the framework Ruby on Rails, are a growing trend. > > Lift is a framework for Scala. Scala appears to be a Java spin off, which > could be cool. > > I'm interested in what other frameworks/languages will get mentioned. > > Good luck in your search! > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > >> I'm systems and applications programmer primarily working in C. >> I also work everyday with C++/Java and even some Perl and Python thrown in >> for good measure. >> I'm thinking about learning a new language just so I can keep my skills >> sharpened on the latest and greatest stuff. >> With all the talk about cloud computing, web 2.0 etc I figured my next >> language ought to be one of these new fangled web app languages. >> I'd like to learn a language that will most likely stick around awhile >> because it is fundamentally good at what it does "web apps" without >> necessarily being a domain specific language. >> I've read about Ruby on Rails, and also a bit about Scala / Lift and few >> others and am wondering what the list thinks of these i.e. strengths, >> weaknesses etc. >> Also are there any others I'm missing that might be even better to spend >> time learning. >> I'm an old dog, trying to teach myself a new trick, so having a plethora >> of easy to follow, well commented examples means I'll learn the language >> that much quicker. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Sincerely, >> Steve >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > > > -- > Adam Barrett > dragen@gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/5ddbcc87/attachment.htm From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:11:13 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:11:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [Fwd: [Question #66919]: update manager and synaptic won't start] In-Reply-To: <1239243739.6734.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1239243739.6734.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: Ok it's possible you downloaded a corrupt file or the update process may have been interrupted, which could potentially have corrupted the file. I wouldn't rule out a disk problem at this stage either. Try this from the command line... sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade If that fails you may need to rebuild your package cache IIRC. Hope that helps! Sincerely, Steve On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jack > To: jfriend31@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:14:12 -0000 > Subject: [Question #66919]: update manager and synaptic won't start > New question #66919 on apt in ubuntu: > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+question/66919 > > this is the result of trying to run Update Manager: > > E: encountered a section with no Package: header, > E: problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status > E: the package lists or statu file could not be parsed or opened > > similar results with Synaptic: > > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header > E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. > E: _cache->open() failed, please report. > > -- > You received this question notification because you are a direct > subscriber of the question. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/afdd08e6/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 11:11:45 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:11:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: can you tell me how to fix this? In-Reply-To: <1239239572.6310.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> References: <1239239572.6310.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1239297105.6579.15.camel@jack-desktop> no longer an item.... i gave up on fixing Ubuntu 8.10 and installed 8.04 from the book Ubuntu Unleashed. the second go it installed properly. the first time it gave a GRUB error 22. i could not boot at all, not even to Windows. Ubuntu is sharing HD with WinXP until i can find a ham radio logging program that will work. Xlog 1.7 bombed several times in U 8.10. maybe i will give it a try in 8.04. so far 8.04 is operating. jack On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 19:12 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header > E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. > E: _cache->open() failed, please report. > > thank you > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:14:27 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:14:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: can you tell me how to fix this? In-Reply-To: <1239297105.6579.15.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239239572.6310.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1239297105.6579.15.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: Thats odd, what are your specs? On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > no longer an item.... > > i gave up on fixing Ubuntu 8.10 and installed 8.04 from the book Ubuntu > Unleashed. the second go it installed properly. the first time it gave a > GRUB error 22. i could not boot at all, not even to Windows. > > Ubuntu is sharing HD with WinXP until i can find a ham radio logging > program that will work. > > Xlog 1.7 bombed several times in U 8.10. maybe i will give it a try in > 8.04. > > so far 8.04 is operating. > > jack > > On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 19:12 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header > > E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status > > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. > > E: _cache->open() failed, please report. > > > > thank you > > jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/891a3cd3/attachment.htm From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:19:30 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:19:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: can you tell me how to fix this? In-Reply-To: References: <1239239572.6310.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1239297105.6579.15.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904091019t3ea1cf04y9ed1618a49dee2a8@mail.gmail.com> Also, when you set it up the first time, where did you tell GRUB to install? The most common of course is the first sector of the HDD on the MBR. Perhaps you didn't choose something properly in the configuration... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Thats odd, what are your specs? > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: >> >> no longer an item.... >> >> i gave up on fixing Ubuntu 8.10 and installed 8.04 from the book Ubuntu >> Unleashed. the second go it installed properly. the first time it gave a >> GRUB error 22. i could not boot at all, not even to Windows. >> >> Ubuntu is sharing HD with WinXP until i can find a ham radio logging >> program that will work. >> >> Xlog 1.7 bombed several times in U 8.10. maybe i will give it a try in >> 8.04. >> >> so far 8.04 is operating. >> >> jack >> >> On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 19:12 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: >> > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header >> > E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status >> > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. >> > E: _cache->open() failed, please report. >> > >> > thank you >> > jack >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> > sllug-members@sllug.org >> > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 11:21:40 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:21:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [Fwd: [Question #66919]: update manager and synaptic won't start] In-Reply-To: References: <1239243739.6734.1.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> Message-ID: <1239297700.8199.0.camel@jack-desktop> thank you, jack On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:11 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > Ok it's possible you downloaded a corrupt file or the update process > may have been interrupted, which could potentially have corrupted the > file. > I wouldn't rule out a disk problem at this stage either. > Try this from the command line... > > sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade > > If that fails you may need to rebuild your package cache IIRC. > > Hope that helps! > > Sincerely, > Steve > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jack > To: jfriend31@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:14:12 -0000 > Subject: [Question #66919]: update manager and synaptic won't > start > New question #66919 on apt in ubuntu: > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+question/66919 > > this is the result of trying to run Update Manager: > > E: encountered a section with no Package: header, > E: problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status > E: the package lists or statu file could not be parsed or > opened > > similar results with Synaptic: > > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header > E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or > opened. > E: _cache->open() failed, please report. > > -- > You received this question notification because you are a > direct > subscriber of the question. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 11:25:03 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:25:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: can you tell me how to fix this? In-Reply-To: References: <1239239572.6310.2.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1239297105.6579.15.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1239297903.8199.4.camel@jack-desktop> if by specs you mean computer: intel dual 2.4 GHz 80 GB disk 1 G RAM Nvidia 7300 dual so far 8.04 is working as it should. just give me a while to break this system too! all broke loose after trying to install Nvidia driver 180.xx. then no downloads would work period. for a while i had twin monitors working fine... jack On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:14 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > Thats odd, what are your specs? > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: > no longer an item.... > > i gave up on fixing Ubuntu 8.10 and installed 8.04 from the > book Ubuntu > Unleashed. the second go it installed properly. the first time > it gave a > GRUB error 22. i could not boot at all, not even to Windows. > > Ubuntu is sharing HD with WinXP until i can find a ham radio > logging > program that will work. > > Xlog 1.7 bombed several times in U 8.10. maybe i will give it > a try in > 8.04. > > so far 8.04 is operating. > > jack > > > On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 19:12 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header > > E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status > > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or > opened. > > E: _cache->open() failed, please report. > > > > thank you > > jack > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, > information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From bms at mscis.org Thu Apr 9 11:30:12 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:30:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <276929710904090845u7afb0989k1aef3733fae202aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <276929710904090845u7afb0989k1aef3733fae202aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DE30A4.10201@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Caleb Call wrote: > I'm curious what you think CD quality is? You do realize the > original CD will likely be no higher than 320 bits and most people > can't tell a difference over 192 bits. So that 512 should be as > high or higher then the original. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Brandon Stout > wrote: I wasn't considering CD bit rate. I've simply noticed that the bit rate of all the other flacs I've ripped are over 700. I'd simply like the conversion to be in the same bit rate range as all the others. 512 is significantly lower. If for not other reason than it would annoy me to see one track ripped at 2/3 the bit rate of all the others... Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkneMKMACgkQx0pgn74qrcJrEwCgrHGWnbwEtjToxOa95cqzX1ig d4UAn2iL79psaqX/b5yQk/XsAXxfaCMn =O0g2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Thu Apr 9 11:36:45 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:36:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <200904091012.21975.fozz@xmission.com> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <200904091012.21975.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: <49DE322D.9090104@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Doran L. Barton wrote: > Have you tried ffmpeg or mencoder? Not yet. I hope to use a GUI so I don't have to read a man page and memorize all the workings of the program to make sure I don't lose some quality from some unknown switch I left out. I've been wanting to play with ffmpeg anyway though, so maybe I ought to just dig in anyway... I have not tried mencoder either. Any recommendations on which one is better for what? Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkneMi0ACgkQx0pgn74qrcLGygCfWdx4kvI8mfe6AfLJY4G+Z61D A5oAoKzzQ+fsiUEGDv52OpvYmi1+RZw4 =1Q+S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthew at azza.com Thu Apr 9 11:38:58 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:39:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <49DE30A4.10201@mscis.org> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <276929710904090845u7afb0989k1aef3733fae202aa@mail.gmail.com> <49DE30A4.10201@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49DE32B2.30108@azza.com> Brandon Stout wrote: > I wasn't considering CD bit rate. I've simply noticed that the bit > rate of all the other flacs I've ripped are over 700. I'd simply like > the conversion to be in the same bit rate range as all the others. > 512 is significantly lower. If for not other reason than it would > annoy me to see one track ripped at 2/3 the bit rate of all the others... One thing to remember is that FLAC is more like a zip file for .wav's. There are various settings you can use to compress the audio more (and taking longer to compress in the process), but you won't get any difference in quality from the original wav file by specifying fast compression vs. best compression. The audio will be exactly the same. So, I guess I'm saying that I don't quite understand where you're going with bitrate thing -- if the codec is lossless, it shouldn't matter because in the end, you're still getting the same audio. ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. 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Looks like mencoder, ffmpeg, and mplayer are some tools that may work. I'll be trying the mencoder command Jeff Shipley recommended shortly. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkneNDkACgkQx0pgn74qrcIFQwCeO7TgrUw6clN4row7UlJYRVkM rkkAn2wIJOrY5b81rdp5EGrICqCe6Uu/ =9uLe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 12:20:33 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Thu Apr 9 12:20:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A new day and a new language? In-Reply-To: References: <6902ba8e0904091003r15c5fd80id1728994b731747c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <614c1080904091120m2dbae24ewfb1627bd3560ba62@mail.gmail.com> Might I suggest javascript? It's not just for webpages anymore. ECMAScript is a standard, and it's been implemented for all kinds of interesting projects. If you learn javascript you can: Write client side webapps that work with relational databases. http://code.google.com/apis/gears/ Write firefox extensions (it's the new emacs and javascript is the new elisp). Use QT libraries: http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq02-fun-fast-and-flexible-qt-script.html Use Gnome libraries: (full access to all the gnome gio* libraries): http://live.gnome.org/Seed Finally, javascript is a cool language. You get built in hashes, arrays, strings, and classes plus anonymous functions and closures. Knowing javascript on the web is kind of like knowing bash on the terminal. It's the lingua franca. --Shane On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Yeah I should have mentioned PHP, I forgot I knew it, it's been awhile > since I've had to use it. > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Adam Barrett wrote: > >> You seem to have your grasp of C based languages down. So you may find PHP >> a walk in the park. >> >> Ruby, and the framework Ruby on Rails, are a growing trend. >> >> Lift is a framework for Scala. Scala appears to be a Java spin off, which >> could be cool. >> >> I'm interested in what other frameworks/languages will get mentioned. >> >> Good luck in your search! >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: >> >>> I'm systems and applications programmer primarily working in C. >>> I also work everyday with C++/Java and even some Perl and Python thrown >>> in for good measure. >>> I'm thinking about learning a new language just so I can keep my skills >>> sharpened on the latest and greatest stuff. >>> With all the talk about cloud computing, web 2.0 etc I figured my next >>> language ought to be one of these new fangled web app languages. >>> I'd like to learn a language that will most likely stick around awhile >>> because it is fundamentally good at what it does "web apps" without >>> necessarily being a domain specific language. >>> I've read about Ruby on Rails, and also a bit about Scala / Lift and few >>> others and am wondering what the list thinks of these i.e. strengths, >>> weaknesses etc. >>> Also are there any others I'm missing that might be even better to spend >>> time learning. >>> I'm an old dog, trying to teach myself a new trick, so having a plethora >>> of easy to follow, well commented examples means I'll learn the language >>> that much quicker. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Steve >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Adam Barrett >> dragen@gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/79d93bbf/attachment.htm From sllug at fungusmovies.com Thu Apr 9 13:03:46 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Thu Apr 9 13:03:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: knowplace.org - Linux Large Filesystems Support In-Reply-To: <49DD3A19.4000507@gmail.com> References: <49DBF763.9030205@gmail.com> <8bcade370904081008l2197ccddxe05e121283eabffe@mail.gmail.com> <49DD3A19.4000507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bcade370904091203h3e6fb365l1e152829869b25b0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, u235sentinel wrote: > I know. ?I've been with Solaris almost as long as Linux so it definitely was > an option. ?I have a couple of Solaris 10 systems running ZFS. ?This system > however they decided to go with RedHat. Well after this ordeal, perhaps they may reconsider? :) Now don't get me wrong, I hate Solaris, it kills kittens and makes baby jesus cry, but the glory of ZFS and Dtrace brings world peace. That and the wonderful Sun hardware makes it all worth it. --lonnie From grnt-cqo7 at xemaps.com Thu Apr 9 14:38:40 2009 From: grnt-cqo7 at xemaps.com (grnt-cqo7@xemaps.com) Date: Thu Apr 9 14:39:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 17:30 -0600, jack User wrote: > >> why would one want to move from Ubuntu to Fedora?--just for a layman's >> information. >> > > Because Fedora is generally more cutting edge than Ubuntu. It includes > many technologies that Ubuntu doesn't. As someone trying to decide on a distribution, I'm wondering where you would put openSUSE on this "cutting edge" scale. Closer to Ubuntu or closer to Fedora? Thanks! -- Keith From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 14:53:09 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 9 14:53:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> Fedora is not for the feint of heart!--not for us newbies. have not tried SUSE so can't say on that. Ubuntu is tuff enuf for those of us who have not had much experience with Linux at all. beats heck out of Red Hat which i also tried. jack On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 14:38 -0600, grnt-cqo7@xemaps.com wrote: > Stuart Jansen wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 17:30 -0600, jack User wrote: > > > >> why would one want to move from Ubuntu to Fedora?--just for a layman's > >> information. > >> > > > > Because Fedora is generally more cutting edge than Ubuntu. It includes > > many technologies that Ubuntu doesn't. > As someone trying to decide on a distribution, I'm wondering where you > would put openSUSE on this "cutting edge" scale. Closer to Ubuntu or > closer to Fedora? > > Thanks! > From bms at mscis.org Thu Apr 9 15:01:19 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Thu Apr 9 15:01:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> Message-ID: <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Shipley wrote: >> I've used mplayer in the past to do audio conversions. Try this: >> mplayer -ao pulse:filename=fileout.wav filein.m4a >> flac fileout.wav >> >> If you're using alsa or oss, use that instead of pulse > > Sorry, some corrections. > use file=, not filename= > > I was actually using -ao pcm, not -ao {pulse,alsa,oss,etc} > pcm works fine for me, but when I tried to use alsa I wasn't able to > open/initialize audio device > > I have heard that pcm fails for *.wavs > 4GB, but a song that is only > few minutes long won't even use a fraction of that. For -ao I have don't have {pulse,alsa,oss,pcm}. I checked and I can install a pcmanfm. For alsa, when I try tab complete I have these equivalents: alsaconf, alsactl, alsa-info.sh, alsa-init, alsamixer. Maybe alsa-init? Instead of pulse, I have pulseaudio. I have alsa-oss installed. I ran this, and had these results: mplayer -ao pulseaudio:file='/home/brasto/Music/Artist/Song.wav' /media/disk/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Artist/Song.m4a MPlayer dev-SVN-r27637-4.3-openSUSE Linux 11.1 (x86_64)-Packman (C) 2000-2008 MPlayer Team CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8300 @ 2.40GHz (Family: 6, Model: 23, Stepping: 6) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 Compiled with runtime CPU detection. Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory Can't init input joystick mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing /media/disk/iTunes/iTunes Music/Alison Krauss/Now That I've Found You/When You Say Nothing At All 1.m4a. libavformat file format detected. [lavf] Audio stream found, -aid 0 ========================================================================== Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 0.0 kbit/0.00% (ratio: 0->176400) Selected audio codec: [ffalac] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg ALAC audio decoder) ========================================================================== No such audio driver 'pulseaudio' Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. Audio: no sound Video: no video Exiting... (End of file) Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkneYh4ACgkQx0pgn74qrcLkmACgompt2x2z68yL4seXQll6NZdj de8AnRxPhf2qOnTGM376tbhvtquJJDGv =q5kn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Thu Apr 9 15:16:12 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Thu Apr 9 15:16:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49DE659C.9010708@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jack B. Friend wrote: > Fedora is not for the feint of heart!--not for us newbies. have not > tried SUSE so can't say on that. Ubuntu is tuff enuf for those of > us who have not had much experience with Linux at all. beats heck > out of Red Hat which i also tried. > > jack OpenSuse comes with a control panel called Yast that makes it easy for end users to do just about anything - or at least anything basic. It's a love hate thing. Many techs hate Yast for being the One Control Panel for everything, but it's a great tool for those who are moving from Windows. Many new users love it. I've put people on OpenSuse who have never seen Linux, and they used it without problems, even with a few more complex tasks. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkneZZwACgkQx0pgn74qrcITiACfcHTPNo7Wi2y7Eh45qySyFeRM rrwAn24i2jAcdWGdW1s/AJBsUPeyOVKq =Qfho -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 15:23:31 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 9 15:23:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49DE659C.9010708@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DE659C.9010708@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239312211.8870.1.camel@jack-desktop> thank you for that information Brandon jack On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 15:16 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > Fedora is not for the feint of heart!--not for us newbies. have not > > tried SUSE so can't say on that. Ubuntu is tuff enuf for those of > > us who have not had much experience with Linux at all. beats heck > > out of Red Hat which i also tried. > > > > jack > > OpenSuse comes with a control panel called Yast that makes it easy for > end users to do just about anything - or at least anything basic. > It's a love hate thing. Many techs hate Yast for being the One > Control Panel for everything, but it's a great tool for those who are > moving from Windows. Many new users love it. I've put people on > OpenSuse who have never seen Linux, and they used it without problems, > even with a few more complex tasks. > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkneZZwACgkQx0pgn74qrcITiACfcHTPNo7Wi2y7Eh45qySyFeRM > rrwAn24i2jAcdWGdW1s/AJBsUPeyOVKq > =Qfho > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From remo at italy1.com Thu Apr 9 15:24:11 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Thu Apr 9 15:24:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <49DE659C.9010708@mscis.org> Message-ID: I personally do not like it but it's a nice tool over others distro. Slackware has a nice one too but way harder to use than yast. I like command line and yum or apt-get better than any other one so far. Even though freebsd port is very nice and love it too :) Remo > From: Brandon Stout > Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:16:12 -0600 > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jack B. Friend wrote: >> Fedora is not for the feint of heart!--not for us newbies. have not >> tried SUSE so can't say on that. Ubuntu is tuff enuf for those of >> us who have not had much experience with Linux at all. beats heck >> out of Red Hat which i also tried. >> >> jack > > OpenSuse comes with a control panel called Yast that makes it easy for > end users to do just about anything - or at least anything basic. > It's a love hate thing. Many techs hate Yast for being the One > Control Panel for everything, but it's a great tool for those who are > moving from Windows. Many new users love it. I've put people on > OpenSuse who have never seen Linux, and they used it without problems, > even with a few more complex tasks. > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkneZZwACgkQx0pgn74qrcITiACfcHTPNo7Wi2y7Eh45qySyFeRM > rrwAn24i2jAcdWGdW1s/AJBsUPeyOVKq > =Qfho > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49de663121511540612102! > From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 15:53:27 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Thu Apr 9 15:53:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> Message-ID: > For -ao I have don't have {pulse,alsa,oss,pcm}. ?I checked and I can > install a pcmanfm. ?For alsa, when I try tab complete I have these > equivalents: alsaconf, alsactl, alsa-info.sh, alsa-init, alsamixer. > Maybe alsa-init? ?Instead of pulse, I have pulseaudio. ?I have > alsa-oss installed. ?I ran this, and had these results: > Have you tried running it with pulse, alsa, or pcm specified? You don't need programs with those names, you just need those sound systems installed. Today, it seems that everybody is running pulse. Up until a year ago, alsa was the most popular (might still be, I really don't know). I would recommend just running this specifying the pcm, and let us know if it doesn't work. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 16:10:58 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 9 16:11:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1239315058.11197.3.camel@jack-desktop> Places>Computer in Ubuntu shows me all files including WinXP. Applications shows me all but the packages i install. Alt-F2 starts anything i can name and lets me run a terminal. what else do i need? jack On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 15:24 -0600, Remo Mattei wrote: > I personally do not like it but it's a nice tool over others distro. > Slackware has a nice one too but way harder to use than yast. I like command > line and yum or apt-get better than any other one so far. Even though > freebsd port is very nice and love it too :) > > Remo > > > > From: Brandon Stout > > Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > > Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:16:12 -0600 > > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Jack B. Friend wrote: > >> Fedora is not for the feint of heart!--not for us newbies. have not > >> tried SUSE so can't say on that. Ubuntu is tuff enuf for those of > >> us who have not had much experience with Linux at all. beats heck > >> out of Red Hat which i also tried. > >> > >> jack > > > > OpenSuse comes with a control panel called Yast that makes it easy for > > end users to do just about anything - or at least anything basic. > > It's a love hate thing. Many techs hate Yast for being the One > > Control Panel for everything, but it's a great tool for those who are > > moving from Windows. Many new users love it. I've put people on > > OpenSuse who have never seen Linux, and they used it without problems, > > even with a few more complex tasks. > > > > Brandon > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkneZZwACgkQx0pgn74qrcITiACfcHTPNo7Wi2y7Eh45qySyFeRM > > rrwAn24i2jAcdWGdW1s/AJBsUPeyOVKq > > =Qfho > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > !DSPAM:49de663121511540612102! > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From bms at mscis.org Thu Apr 9 16:21:46 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Thu Apr 9 16:21:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49DE74FA.6090703@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Shipley wrote: > Have you tried running it with pulse, alsa, or pcm specified? You > don't need programs with those names, you just need those sound > systems installed. > > Today, it seems that everybody is running pulse. Up until a year ago, > alsa was the most popular (might still be, I really don't know). > > I would recommend just running this specifying the pcm, and let us > know if it doesn't work. That worked: mplayer -ao pcm:file='/home/brasto/Music/Artist Name/Song Name.wav' /media/disk/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Artist\ Name/Song\ Name.m4a Very cool. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknedPoACgkQx0pgn74qrcJ/IQCgtlG7Or1/23Ro1QJAdByvM/4P SkgAnRaqX78ARs0NqxLfKvh8ezDvXr1t =cDRA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwalker at kobran.org Thu Apr 9 15:42:36 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Thu Apr 9 16:24:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239313356.5576.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 15:01 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > For -ao I have don't have {pulse,alsa,oss,pcm}. I checked and I can > install a pcmanfm. For alsa, when I try tab complete I have these > equivalents: alsaconf, alsactl, alsa-info.sh, alsa-init, alsamixer. > Maybe alsa-init? Instead of pulse, I have pulseaudio. I have > alsa-oss installed. I ran this, and had these results: I don't think you can tab-complete these options. pcmanfm isn't related to 'pcm', and all those alsa utilities aren't the alsa driver. > mplayer -ao pulseaudio:file='/home/brasto/Music/Artist/Song.wav' > /media/disk/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Artist/Song.m4a [ SNIP ] > No such audio driver 'pulseaudio' > Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. > Audio: no sound > Video: no video Actually, the PulseAudio driver is just called 'pulse'. However, in this case, I think you seriously want something like: mplayer -ao pcm:file=(/path/to/file).wav (file).m4a This should instruct mplayer to open a PCM file (Which is basically a WAV file) with the path you specify. -KW From namonai at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 16:33:55 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Thu Apr 9 16:33:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <49DE74FA.6090703@mscis.org> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> <49DE74FA.6090703@mscis.org> Message-ID: <847993120904091533i32595360u4a36d43a27589a84@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > mplayer -ao pcm:file='/home/brasto/Music/Artist Name/Song Name.wav' > /media/disk/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Artist\ Name/Song\ Name.m4a > > Very cool. The really cool thing is that it works for any MPlayer source; AVI file, MOV file, FLV stream, TV input card, video capture device... And it also works for video as well. You can dump raw RGB frames to a file, or transcode as you go. mplayer/mencoder are an amazing duo -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From kwalker at kobran.org Thu Apr 9 15:42:36 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Thu Apr 9 16:40:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239313356.5576.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 15:01 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > For -ao I have don't have {pulse,alsa,oss,pcm}. I checked and I can > install a pcmanfm. For alsa, when I try tab complete I have these > equivalents: alsaconf, alsactl, alsa-info.sh, alsa-init, alsamixer. > Maybe alsa-init? Instead of pulse, I have pulseaudio. I have > alsa-oss installed. I ran this, and had these results: I don't think you can tab-complete these options. pcmanfm isn't related to 'pcm', and all those alsa utilities aren't the alsa driver. > mplayer -ao pulseaudio:file='/home/brasto/Music/Artist/Song.wav' > /media/disk/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Artist/Song.m4a [ SNIP ] > No such audio driver 'pulseaudio' > Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. > Audio: no sound > Video: no video Actually, the PulseAudio driver is just called 'pulse'. However, in this case, I think you seriously want something like: mplayer -ao pcm:file=(/path/to/file).wav (file).m4a This should instruct mplayer to open a PCM file (Which is basically a WAV file) with the path you specify. -KW From grnt-cqo7 at xemaps.com Thu Apr 9 19:35:08 2009 From: grnt-cqo7 at xemaps.com (grnt-cqo7@xemaps.com) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:35:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / RedHat support In-Reply-To: <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> Jack B. Friend wrote: > Fedora is not for the feint of heart!--not for us newbies. have not > tried SUSE so can't say on that. Ubuntu is tuff enuf for those of us who > have not had much experience with Linux at all. beats heck out of Red > Hat which i also tried. > Thanks for the input, Jack. I guess I'm a newbie, but not really. Maybe an "advanced newbie"? ;-) I worked as a Unix system administrator briefly--but that was long ago. Through the years, whenever I got the urge, I'd install Linux, try it out for a few weeks, and get sidetracked. I've finally decided to get serious about it, and I've been cramming hard for the past few weeks. :-) I still have a lot to learn, but I guess I'm not too worried about being able to figure things out (within reason). I did have openSUSE installed briefly, but decided I wanted to try Ubuntu and Linux Mint. Now I'm considering going back. I really don't want to be using old technology, however, which is why I asked the question I did. I do know one place where SUSE is ahead of everybody else, and that's with Mono and MonoDevelop. I've been wanting to expand my C# skills to include Linux, and that's the reason I installed openSUSE earlier. Yesterday, when I tried to download and install the new MonoDevelop 2.0 in Mint, I ended up with 1.0. I'm thinking that this confirms my earlier decision to go with openSUSE and that I was wrong to switch. I just wanted to ask those with more experience how it compares with the competition as far as being up to date with the technology. Anybody? -- Keith From noblejames at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 21:06:16 2009 From: noblejames at gmail.com (James Noble) Date: Thu Apr 9 21:06:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development Message-ID: Hi group I am looking for a good IDE I can use that can be used for multiple languages. The requirements I have are it needs to be able to be installed in a windows environment, work well with PHP, C#, and other web development languages. I am interested in what people are using. Thank You $2,000,000 guarantee that your backed up data can be restored -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/098ce16c/attachment-0001.htm From wattwood at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 21:16:26 2009 From: wattwood at gmail.com (William Attwood) Date: Thu Apr 9 21:16:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f2da9a80904092016t206c23ebo681da19f279143c7@mail.gmail.com> .... Eclipse PDT for PHP --Will On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:06 PM, James Noble wrote: > Hi group I am looking for a good IDE I can use that can be used for > multiple languages. The requirements I have are it needs to be able to be > installed in a windows environment, work well with PHP, C#, and other web > development languages. I am interested in what people are using. > > Thank You > > $2,000,000 guarantee that your backed up data can be restored > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Warm regards, William Attwood Idea Extraordinaire wattwood@gmail.com Norman Mailer - "Writing books is the closest men ever come to childbearing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/98128b8d/attachment.html From ecantwell at bluehost.com Thu Apr 9 22:15:31 2009 From: ecantwell at bluehost.com (Erick Cantwell) Date: Thu Apr 9 22:15:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DEC7E3.9080609@bluehost.com> James Noble wrote: > Hi group I am looking for a good IDE I can use that can be used for > multiple languages. The requirements I have are it needs to be able > to be installed in a windows environment, work well with PHP, C#, and > other web development languages. I am interested in what people are > using. > > Thank You > I would imagine that most people subscribing to the Salt Lake Linux Users Group mailing list would be using IDE's that run under Linux....seeing as how this is a Linux users mailing list. --Erick From wattwood at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 22:21:14 2009 From: wattwood at gmail.com (William Attwood) Date: Thu Apr 9 22:21:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development In-Reply-To: <49DEC7E3.9080609@bluehost.com> References: <49DEC7E3.9080609@bluehost.com> Message-ID: <7f2da9a80904092121u4292c3e3pf974dfd626022dca@mail.gmail.com> Eclipse PDT runs on Windows, Linux, and Mac. It also supports many other languages, including Java, C#, etc. http://www.eclipse.org On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Erick Cantwell wrote: > James Noble wrote: > >> Hi group I am looking for a good IDE I can use that can be used for >> multiple languages. The requirements I have are it needs to be able to be >> installed in a windows environment, work well with PHP, C#, and other web >> development languages. I am interested in what people are using. >> >> Thank You >> >> I would imagine that most people subscribing to the Salt Lake Linux Users > Group mailing list would be using IDE's that run under Linux....seeing as > how this is a Linux users mailing list. > --Erick > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Warm regards, William Attwood Idea Extraordinaire wattwood@gmail.com Andy Warhol - "I am a deeply superficial person." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090409/3ca6c32f/attachment.htm From namonai at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 22:47:16 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Thu Apr 9 22:47:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development In-Reply-To: <7f2da9a80904092121u4292c3e3pf974dfd626022dca@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DEC7E3.9080609@bluehost.com> <7f2da9a80904092121u4292c3e3pf974dfd626022dca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <847993120904092147j4168214ftcada0daca17efd2a@mail.gmail.com> Netbeans 6.5 is another choice; it runs on every platform. -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From bms at mscis.org Thu Apr 9 23:31:44 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Thu Apr 9 23:31:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 grnt-cqo7@xemaps.com wrote: > Thanks for the input, Jack. I guess I'm a newbie, but not really. > Maybe an "advanced newbie"? ;-) > > I worked as a Unix system administrator briefly--but that was long > ago. Through the years, whenever I got the urge, I'd install Linux, > try it out for a few weeks, and get sidetracked. I've finally > decided to get serious about it, and I've been cramming hard for the > past few weeks. :-) I still have a lot to learn, but I guess I'm > not too worried about being able to figure things out (within reason). > > I did have openSUSE installed briefly, but decided I wanted to try > Ubuntu and Linux Mint. Now I'm considering going back. I really > don't want to be using old technology, however, which is why I asked > the question I did. I do know one place where SUSE is ahead of > everybody else, and that's with Mono and MonoDevelop. I've been > wanting to expand my C# skills to include Linux, and that's the > reason I installed openSUSE earlier. Yesterday, when I tried to > download and install the new MonoDevelop 2.0 in Mint, I ended up > with 1.0. I'm thinking that this confirms my earlier decision to go > with openSUSE and that I was wrong to switch. I just wanted to ask > those with more experience how it compares with the competition as > far as being up to date with the technology. Anybody? I play with both Fedora and OpenSuse, and I'd say Fedora is ahead with some things because they've been around longer, and their community is probably larger, but that OpenSuse is probably as close as you get to Fedora technology, and ahead in some areas - depending on what you call 'ahead'. I like many things about each of them. The thing that annoyed me most about Fedora was that I couldn't tap-click with my touchpad, or do vertical or horizontal scrolling with the touchpad by default. I had to manually configure it all, and even then it didn't work right after going to sleep or hibernate, no matter how many tech articles I read about it. They intentionally disable touchpad tap-click, and horizontal, and vertical scrolling by default because people with disabilities might accidentally tap it. However, I think it's been the expected default behavior for years, and I expect it to work. If they disable it by default, it should at least be easy to enable, and it should work after hibernate and sleep. Other than that, they are both good choices, and if either of them doesn't have what you want in the available supported repositories, you can almost always find what you want in another repo. If OpenSuse doesn't have something Fedora has by default, you can add a third party repo that has what you want anyway. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkne2cAACgkQx0pgn74qrcKsXQCfUDjnZwLr73gMcYTdWH5Bpx2A m+UAoJXzfWm4iw7yA0QqAL+eRbqk8vr2 =2Kf7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sdmorrey at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 07:52:53 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Fri Apr 10 07:52:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development In-Reply-To: <847993120904092147j4168214ftcada0daca17efd2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DEC7E3.9080609@bluehost.com> <7f2da9a80904092121u4292c3e3pf974dfd626022dca@mail.gmail.com> <847993120904092147j4168214ftcada0daca17efd2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I use code::blocks I've found it to be the fastest and most stable IDE. Not sure how it works with PHP. For PHP development I used to use the Zend Platform IDE, it worked really well and IIRC was totally cross platform. 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From sdmorrey at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 07:56:29 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Fri Apr 10 07:56:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > grnt-cqo7@xemaps.com wrote: > > Thanks for the input, Jack. I guess I'm a newbie, but not really. > > Maybe an "advanced newbie"? ;-) > > > > I worked as a Unix system administrator briefly--but that was long > > ago. Through the years, whenever I got the urge, I'd install Linux, > > try it out for a few weeks, and get sidetracked. I've finally > > decided to get serious about it, and I've been cramming hard for the > > past few weeks. :-) I still have a lot to learn, but I guess I'm > > not too worried about being able to figure things out (within reason). > > > > I did have openSUSE installed briefly, but decided I wanted to try > > Ubuntu and Linux Mint. Now I'm considering going back. I really > > don't want to be using old technology, however, which is why I asked > > the question I did. I do know one place where SUSE is ahead of > > everybody else, and that's with Mono and MonoDevelop. I've been > > wanting to expand my C# skills to include Linux, and that's the > > reason I installed openSUSE earlier. Yesterday, when I tried to > > download and install the new MonoDevelop 2.0 in Mint, I ended up > > with 1.0. I'm thinking that this confirms my earlier decision to go > > with openSUSE and that I was wrong to switch. I just wanted to ask > > those with more experience how it compares with the competition as > > far as being up to date with the technology. Anybody? > My advice, esp if you want to be on the cutting edge, and want to learn, is to try Gentoo or one of it's variants, or another source based distro before deciding that RPM or DEB based distro's are the way to go. Sincerely, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Good for Java, PHP and many others. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090410/acf41070/attachment.html From dragen at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 09:06:15 2009 From: dragen at gmail.com (Adam Barrett) Date: Fri Apr 10 09:06:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development In-Reply-To: <614c1080904100800u6ce572d5p7ccc1f115f578f2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DEC7E3.9080609@bluehost.com> <7f2da9a80904092121u4292c3e3pf974dfd626022dca@mail.gmail.com> <847993120904092147j4168214ftcada0daca17efd2a@mail.gmail.com> <49DF4F7A.2090201@mail1.ttak.org> <614c1080904100800u6ce572d5p7ccc1f115f578f2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6902ba8e0904100806u48f75399v3911bd36e7a1d11d@mail.gmail.com> I use Eclipse PDT 2.0 at work, and home. I have also used NetBeans, BlueFish, Aptana, Komodo, vim, notepad, gedit On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Ricardo wrote: > +1 for emacs. Emacs has syntax highlighting and debugging for perl, php, > and java (to name > a few). > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Kenneth Burgener wrote: > >> On 4/9/2009 10:47 PM, Craig Kelley wrote: >> >>> Netbeans 6.5 is another choice; it runs on every platform. >>> >> >> +1 for Netbeans. Good for Java, PHP and many others. >> >> >> >> >> -- Adam Barrett dragen@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090410/062958c4/attachment.htm From noblejames at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 09:18:15 2009 From: noblejames at gmail.com (James Noble) Date: Fri Apr 10 09:18:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I want to thank everyone for their input. I will look into these. Currently I am using a text editor that does only does text highlighting so hopefully I can get some code completion from one of these. Have an Excellent Day $2,000,000 guarantee that your backed up data can be restored -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090410/31453dca/attachment.html From unum at unum5.org Fri Apr 10 09:28:34 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Fri Apr 10 09:28:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, In-Reply-To: References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> <49DC9B05.2000203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DF65A2.10107@unum5.org> Alan Young wrote: > Utah State Surplus > > http://stores.ebay.com/utahsurplus > aah the good old days.(I ran the computer part of that place for several years). From unum at unum5.org Fri Apr 10 09:29:49 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Fri Apr 10 09:29:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Games on Linux, In-Reply-To: References: <200904061832.31340.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904062333.09648.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096F2E@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <49DBF65E.6060003@gmail.com> <20090408031824.GA20358@falcon> <49DC9B05.2000203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DF65ED.3000206@unum5.org> Alan Young wrote: > Utah State Surplus > > http://stores.ebay.com/utahsurplus > oops I was thinking here: http://www.usu.edu/surplus/ Kyle From aaron at throckmortons.com Fri Apr 10 09:39:58 2009 From: aaron at throckmortons.com (Aaron) Date: Fri Apr 10 10:51:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: IDE for PHP and web development In-Reply-To: <6902ba8e0904100806u48f75399v3911bd36e7a1d11d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DEC7E3.9080609@bluehost.com> <7f2da9a80904092121u4292c3e3pf974dfd626022dca@mail.gmail.com> <847993120904092147j4168214ftcada0daca17efd2a@mail.gmail.com> <49DF4F7A.2090201@mail1.ttak.org> <614c1080904100800u6ce572d5p7ccc1f115f578f2b@mail.gmail.com> <6902ba8e0904100806u48f75399v3911bd36e7a1d11d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7446bf70904100839u31acc9c4rc9fc56b73be12495@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Adam Barrett wrote: > I use Eclipse PDT 2.0 at work, and home. > > I have also used NetBeans, BlueFish, Aptana, Komodo, vim, notepad, gedit > I use Eclipse for all of my web development, but I've been using PHPeclipse and the Aptana plugin. I like PHPeclipse's implementation of the IDE over Aptana for the PHP part, but Aptana is great for the html and javascript stuff. Unfortunately, I haven't done much as far as C#. I'm not sure how Eclipse PDT 2.0 compares to PHPeclipse though. Aaron Throckmorton From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 12:18:28 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 12:18:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> that may have been a good suggestion. now that i have installed U 8.10 for the 3rd time it seems to work as it should. there are no error messages when i use any of the applications. Nvidia's driver 180.xx is working like it should. both monitors are activated and running like one big wide monitor. OpenOffice 3 is running. i can see and read all the WinXP files as well as those in the Linux partition. i just plugged in my camera's memory card to see almost 700 pictures. i sent one off email to my cousin in NC. the only challenge i have now is to decide how i wish to see two monitors as the WinXP setup shows the main monitor on the left while U 8.10 shows the main monitor on the right. so mousing to the far right brings the mouse back to my left in U 8.10 while in WinXP i move from far left to far right ...43 inches wide. there are a couple applications i use for ham radio in WinXP that i find no equals for in Linux sadly. otherwise i would wipe out the Win partition and give U 8.10 the whole machine. i have learned to save all my critical files on USB drives so i don't loose them when i reinstall Ubuntu. now and again i have had to do that after corrupting U 8.10 with all my fiddling. however now the process is almost automatic. i think i will stick with U 8.10 for the time being. jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 07:56 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > grnt-cqo7@xemaps.com wrote: > > > Thanks for the input, Jack. I guess I'm a newbie, but not > really. > > Maybe an "advanced newbie"? ;-) > > > > I worked as a Unix system administrator briefly--but that > was long > > ago. Through the years, whenever I got the urge, I'd install > Linux, > > try it out for a few weeks, and get sidetracked. I've > finally > > decided to get serious about it, and I've been cramming hard > for the > > past few weeks. :-) I still have a lot to learn, but I > guess I'm > > not too worried about being able to figure things out > (within reason). > > > > I did have openSUSE installed briefly, but decided I wanted > to try > > Ubuntu and Linux Mint. Now I'm considering going back. I > really > > don't want to be using old technology, however, which is why > I asked > > the question I did. I do know one place where SUSE is ahead > of > > everybody else, and that's with Mono and MonoDevelop. I've > been > > wanting to expand my C# skills to include Linux, and that's > the > > reason I installed openSUSE earlier. Yesterday, when I tried > to > > download and install the new MonoDevelop 2.0 in Mint, I > ended up > > with 1.0. I'm thinking that this confirms my earlier > decision to go > > with openSUSE and that I was wrong to switch. I just wanted > to ask > > those with more experience how it compares with the > competition as > > far as being up to date with the technology. Anybody? > > > > My advice, esp if you want to be on the cutting edge, and want to > learn, is to try Gentoo or one of it's variants, or another source > based distro before deciding that RPM or DEB based distro's are the > way to go. > > Sincerely, > Steve > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From noblejames at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 12:32:18 2009 From: noblejames at gmail.com (James Noble) Date: Fri Apr 10 12:32:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: > the only challenge i have now is to decide how i > wish to see two monitors as the WinXP setup shows the main monitor on > the left while U 8.10 shows the main monitor on the right. so mousing to > the far right brings the mouse back to my left in U 8.10 while in WinXP > i move from far left to far right ...43 inches wide. > I am not a Linux expert but in Windows you can change the orientation of the monitors by doing the following. right click desktop click properties select settings then just drag the monitors you see to where you want them. As a disclaimer I currently only have one monitor I am sitting in front of so the directions may be off a little but that is how I set up my computers at work. -------------------------------------- James Noble Datavault Security Account Executive -------------------------------------- $2,000,000 guarantee that your backed up data can be restored -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090410/0296c26e/attachment.htm From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 12:42:59 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 12:43:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1239388979.6101.0.camel@jack-desktop> thank you, i was unaware of that option. with that i will be able to see the WinXP system just like the Ubuntu. jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 12:32 -0600, James Noble wrote: > > the only challenge i have now is to decide how i > wish to see two monitors as the WinXP setup shows the main > monitor on > the left while U 8.10 shows the main monitor on the right. so > mousing to > the far right brings the mouse back to my left in U 8.10 while > in WinXP > i move from far left to far right ...43 inches wide. > > I am not a Linux expert but in Windows you can change the orientation > of the monitors by doing the following. > > right click desktop click properties > select settings then just drag the monitors you see to where you want > them. > > As a disclaimer I currently only have one monitor I am sitting in > front of so the directions may be off a little but that is how I set > up my computers at work. > > -------------------------------------- > James Noble > Datavault Security Account Executive > -------------------------------------- > > $2,000,000 guarantee that your backed up data can be restored > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From kmahan at xmission.com Fri Apr 10 13:21:07 2009 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Fri Apr 10 13:21:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> Jack B. Friend wrote: > .... the only challenge i have now is to decide how i > wish to see two monitors as the WinXP setup shows the main monitor on > the left while U 8.10 shows the main monitor on the right. so mousing to > the far right brings the mouse back to my left in U 8.10 while in WinXP > i move from far left to far right ...43 inches wide. That's easy to fix in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. You can specify the relationship of monitors (LeftOf, RightOf, etc..) --Kurt From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 13:32:03 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 13:32:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> thank you, jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 13:21 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > .... the only challenge i have now is to decide how i > > wish to see two monitors as the WinXP setup shows the main monitor on > > the left while U 8.10 shows the main monitor on the right. so mousing to > > the far right brings the mouse back to my left in U 8.10 while in WinXP > > i move from far left to far right ...43 inches wide. > That's easy to fix in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. You can specify the > relationship of monitors (LeftOf, RightOf, etc..) > > --Kurt > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 13:33:57 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 13:34:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. thank you jack From sdmorrey at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 13:34:49 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Fri Apr 10 13:34:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: Don't forget the neat little Nvdia desktop config tool too. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > thank you, jack > > > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 13:21 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > > .... the only challenge i have now is to decide how i > > > wish to see two monitors as the WinXP setup shows the main monitor on > > > the left while U 8.10 shows the main monitor on the right. so mousing > to > > > the far right brings the mouse back to my left in U 8.10 while in WinXP > > > i move from far left to far right ...43 inches wide. > > That's easy to fix in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. You can specify the > > relationship of monitors (LeftOf, RightOf, etc..) > > > > --Kurt > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090410/ea59ca1f/attachment.html From caleb at macjunk.net Fri Apr 10 13:40:13 2009 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Fri Apr 10 13:40:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <276929710904101240m7692298bp5ec8fea53510ca16@mail.gmail.com> As mentioned earlier this week, have you updated the database for locate? With find, are you sure you are using the correct flags? On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using > "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. > thank you > jack > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090410/d05c4941/attachment.htm From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 14:27:26 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:27:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <276929710904101240m7692298bp5ec8fea53510ca16@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <276929710904101240m7692298bp5ec8fea53510ca16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239395246.9540.0.camel@jack-desktop> no, no, jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 13:40 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > As mentioned earlier this week, have you updated the database for > locate? With find, are you sure you are using the correct flags? > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: > i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither > using > "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. > thank you > jack > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From kwalker at kobran.org Fri Apr 10 14:28:11 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:28:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1239395291.3707.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 13:33 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using > "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. What 'find' syntax are you using? I find I've had the best luck with this: find / -iname '*(keyword)*' e.g. find / -iname '*beagle*' That searches (case insensitively) the entire directory tree for anything containing 'beagle' anywhere in the file name. Sometimes I pile that to 'less' so I can look through the results easier. -KW From byron at theclarkfamily.name Fri Apr 10 14:35:50 2009 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:35:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:33:57PM -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using > "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. You may want to try using 'dpkg -L' to see which files a package installed. Example: dpkg -L beagle -- Byron Clark From mfrederico at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 14:38:29 2009 From: mfrederico at gmail.com (Matthew Frederico) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:38:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> Message-ID: <28e6af610904101338m5873c409nf23631449a60607a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Byron Clark wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:33:57PM -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: >> i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using >> "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. > > You may want to try using 'dpkg -L' to see which files a package > installed. > > Example: dpkg -L beagle Or for redhat: rpm -ql beagle -- -- -- Matthew Frederico From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 14:38:33 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:38:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> yes, i have used the Nvidia config tool to set 2 monitors in Ubuntu 8.10. it will not save settings however and i am not courageous enuf to replace the present Xorg.conf with the new settings. thus i must reset each boot. now the monitors are in proper orientation for Ubuntu. i will have to change the configuration in Windows as per instructions. jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 13:34 -0600, Steven Morrey wrote: > Don't forget the neat little Nvdia desktop config tool too. > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: > thank you, jack > > > > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 13:21 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote: > > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > > .... the only challenge i have now is to decide how i > > > wish to see two monitors as the WinXP setup shows the main > monitor on > > > the left while U 8.10 shows the main monitor on the right. > so mousing to > > > the far right brings the mouse back to my left in U 8.10 > while in WinXP > > > i move from far left to far right ...43 inches wide. > > That's easy to fix in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. You can > specify the > > relationship of monitors (LeftOf, RightOf, etc..) > > > > --Kurt > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, > information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 14:45:42 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:45:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <1239395291.3707.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395291.3707.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1239396342.9540.15.camel@jack-desktop> using the noted perameters with *beagle* resulted in hundreds of lines of results! beagle is in /usr/lib/beagle thank you jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:28 -0600, Knight Walker wrote: > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 13:33 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using > > "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. > > What 'find' syntax are you using? I find I've had the best luck with > this: > > find / -iname '*(keyword)*' > > e.g. > > find / -iname '*beagle*' > > That searches (case insensitively) the entire directory tree for > anything containing 'beagle' anywhere in the file name. Sometimes I pile > that to 'less' so I can look through the results easier. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 14:47:24 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:47:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> Message-ID: <1239396444.9540.16.camel@jack-desktop> that command gave me several files in etc and usr ... how do i know which is the executable file? jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:35 -0600, Byron Clark wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:33:57PM -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using > > "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. > > You may want to try using 'dpkg -L' to see which files a package > installed. > > Example: dpkg -L beagle > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 14:47:54 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:47:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <28e6af610904101338m5873c409nf23631449a60607a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <28e6af610904101338m5873c409nf23631449a60607a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239396474.9540.17.camel@jack-desktop> thank you jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:38 -0600, Matthew Frederico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Byron Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:33:57PM -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > >> i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using > >> "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. > > > > You may want to try using 'dpkg -L' to see which files a package > > installed. > > > > Example: dpkg -L beagle > > Or for redhat: rpm -ql beagle > > -- From kwalker at kobran.org Fri Apr 10 14:55:02 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:55:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <1239396444.9540.16.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <1239396444.9540.16.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1239396902.3707.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:47 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > that command gave me several files in etc and usr ... how do i know > which is the executable file? Anything in a "bin" directory. Usually in /usr/bin. -KW From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 15:07:02 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:07:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <1239396902.3707.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <1239396444.9540.16.camel@jack-desktop> <1239396902.3707.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1239397622.9540.20.camel@jack-desktop> thank you jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:55 -0600, Knight Walker wrote: > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:47 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > that command gave me several files in etc and usr ... how do i know > > which is the executable file? > > Anything in a "bin" directory. Usually in /usr/bin. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 15:25:18 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:25:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: screen change References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain><1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain><49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop><49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org><1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop><49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com><1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop><20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name><1239396444.9540.16.camel@jack-desktop><1239396902.3707.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1239397622.9540.20.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <000b01c9ba22$d8de46f0$b7ecc347@home9w1vwe2pnv> thank you James for the information on monitor orientation. it works wonderfully! jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack B. Friend" To: "Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions" Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc > thank you jack > > > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:55 -0600, Knight Walker wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:47 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > > that command gave me several files in etc and usr ... how do i know > > > which is the executable file? > > > > Anything in a "bin" directory. Usually in /usr/bin. > > > > -KW > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 15:42:57 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:43:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <28e6af610904101338m5873c409nf23631449a60607a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <28e6af610904101338m5873c409nf23631449a60607a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239399777.6669.0.camel@jack-desktop> beagle-search is the name of the beagle search engine!!!! jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:38 -0600, Matthew Frederico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Byron Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:33:57PM -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > >> i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using > >> "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. > > > > You may want to try using 'dpkg -L' to see which files a package > > installed. > > > > Example: dpkg -L beagle > > Or for redhat: rpm -ql beagle > > -- From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 15:43:43 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:43:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <1239396902.3707.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <20090410203550.GD10272@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <1239396444.9540.16.camel@jack-desktop> <1239396902.3707.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1239399823.6669.1.camel@jack-desktop> yes, beagle-search in /usr/bin jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:55 -0600, Knight Walker wrote: > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:47 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > that command gave me several files in etc and usr ... how do i know > > which is the executable file? > > Anything in a "bin" directory. Usually in /usr/bin. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 15:45:06 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:45:15 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: beagle and backuppc In-Reply-To: <1239395291.3707.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239392037.8996.2.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395291.3707.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1239399906.6669.2.camel@jack-desktop> i forgot to put *beagle* in ' ' and got 5000000 lines! jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:28 -0600, Knight Walker wrote: > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 13:33 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > i just installed beagle and backuppc and can find neither using > > "locate" in a terminal. "find" does not work either. > > What 'find' syntax are you using? I find I've had the best luck with > this: > > find / -iname '*(keyword)*' > > e.g. > > find / -iname '*beagle*' > > That searches (case insensitively) the entire directory tree for > anything containing 'beagle' anywhere in the file name. Sometimes I pile > that to 'less' so I can look through the results easier. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From matthew at azza.com Fri Apr 10 17:18:41 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Fri Apr 10 17:19:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:38 PM, "Jack B. Friend" wrote: > yes, i have used the Nvidia config tool to set 2 monitors in Ubuntu > 8.10. it will not save settings however and i am not courageous enuf > to > replace the present Xorg.conf with the new settings. thus i must reset > each boot. now the monitors are in proper orientation for Ubuntu. i > will > have to change the configuration in Windows as per instructions. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> nvidia-settings must be run as root for the changes to be persistant, because it needs to modify xorg.conf, which is only writable by root. -- Matthew From grnt-cqo7 at xemaps.com Fri Apr 10 20:01:24 2009 From: grnt-cqo7 at xemaps.com (grnt-cqo7@xemaps.com) Date: Fri Apr 10 20:01:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238879733.3859.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49DFF9F4.7090307@fastmail.us> Brandon Stout wrote: > I play with both Fedora and OpenSuse, and I'd say Fedora is ahead with > some things because they've been around longer, and their community is > probably larger, but that OpenSuse is probably as close as you get to > Fedora technology, and ahead in some areas Thanks, Brandon. That's exactly what I needed. Looks like I'm on my way back to openSUSE! :-) -- Keith From grnt-cqo7 at xemaps.com Fri Apr 10 20:04:39 2009 From: grnt-cqo7 at xemaps.com (grnt-cqo7@xemaps.com) Date: Fri Apr 10 20:04:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <49D7E0BC.2030102@gmail.com> <8D778C87-BDB5-484A-9FFB-5FF675490F27@macjunk.net> <847993120904041621l6213cc07v23ae0ec33eb3eca7@mail.gmail.com> <1238887827.6405.6.camel@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49DFFAB7.8010504@fastmail.us> Steven Morrey wrote: > My advice, esp if you want to be on the cutting edge, and want to > learn, is to try Gentoo or one of it's variants, or another source > based distro before deciding that RPM or DEB based distro's are the > way to go. > Thanks for the reply, Steven. Guess I should have been a little clearer. I'm not brave enough to be real cutting edge at this point. I've got a lot more to learn before I get there. Right now I'm just looking for something that's pretty much up to date but still stable. -- Keith From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 20:45:01 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 20:45:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> Message-ID: <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> yes, i am aware of that, but have not had the courage to modify the Xorg.conf file. i can see the changes made by Nvidia and have copied them to a file--maybe one day. jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 17:18 -0600, Matthew Hatch wrote: > On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:38 PM, "Jack B. Friend" > wrote: > > > yes, i have used the Nvidia config tool to set 2 monitors in Ubuntu > > 8.10. it will not save settings however and i am not courageous enuf > > to > > replace the present Xorg.conf with the new settings. thus i must reset > > each boot. now the monitors are in proper orientation for Ubuntu. i > > will > > have to change the configuration in Windows as per instructions. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > nvidia-settings must be run as root for the changes to be persistant, > because it needs to modify xorg.conf, which is only writable by root. > > -- > Matthew > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From matthew at azza.com Fri Apr 10 21:33:48 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Fri Apr 10 21:34:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> Jack B. Friend wrote: > yes, i am aware of that, but have not had the courage to modify the > Xorg.conf file. i can see the changes made by Nvidia and have copied > them to a file--maybe one day. > jack Modifying xorg.conf shouldn't be something to be afraid of. If the settings work when you press the "Apply" button, the likelihood you will run into issues after committing the changes are slim. However, you can always make a backup copy of xorg.conf before making the change and copy it back if you encounter problems. You don't really have much to lose if you make a backup. I've used nvidia-settings countless times and have never run into problems with it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090410/76e885b9/signature.pgp From jfriend31 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 22:04:24 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Fri Apr 10 22:04:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> Message-ID: <1239422664.9739.22.camel@jack-desktop> you have given me more courage! i will do it. jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 21:33 -0600, Matthew Hatch wrote: > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > yes, i am aware of that, but have not had the courage to modify the > > Xorg.conf file. i can see the changes made by Nvidia and have copied > > them to a file--maybe one day. > > jack > > Modifying xorg.conf shouldn't be something to be afraid of. If the > settings work when you press the "Apply" button, the likelihood you will > run into issues after committing the changes are slim. However, you can > always make a backup copy of xorg.conf before making the change and copy > it back if you encounter problems. > > You don't really have much to lose if you make a backup. I've used > nvidia-settings countless times and have never run into problems with it. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From bms at mscis.org Fri Apr 10 23:06:18 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Fri Apr 10 23:06:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> Message-ID: <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Hatch wrote: > Modifying xorg.conf shouldn't be something to be afraid of. If the > settings work when you press the "Apply" button, the likelihood you will > run into issues after committing the changes are slim. However, you can > always make a backup copy of xorg.conf before making the change and copy > it back if you encounter problems. > > You don't really have much to lose if you make a backup. I've used > nvidia-settings countless times and have never run into problems with it. This is where virtual terminals are your friend. If you backed up xorg.conf, fixing a hosed gui is as simple as ctl + alt + f1, logging in as root and running cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup > /etc/X11/xorg.conf; reboot You don't even have to reboot, but in case you're a former windows user, maybe you're used to rebooting for everything... Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkngJUkACgkQx0pgn74qrcLjaQCcCKNNX+8UXrXy7gBMjOx7a3Vp n7AAoKmndZwBmcTvaJyNrN67vZOAzQTj =PGTt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 00:07:56 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 00:08:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239430076.12323.0.camel@jack-desktop> thankyou jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 23:06 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matthew Hatch wrote: > > Modifying xorg.conf shouldn't be something to be afraid of. If the > > settings work when you press the "Apply" button, the likelihood you will > > run into issues after committing the changes are slim. However, you can > > always make a backup copy of xorg.conf before making the change and copy > > it back if you encounter problems. > > > > You don't really have much to lose if you make a backup. I've used > > nvidia-settings countless times and have never run into problems with it. > > This is where virtual terminals are your friend. If you backed up > xorg.conf, fixing a hosed gui is as simple as ctl + alt + f1, logging > in as root and running > > cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup > /etc/X11/xorg.conf; reboot > > You don't even have to reboot, but in case you're a former windows > user, maybe you're used to rebooting for everything... > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkngJUkACgkQx0pgn74qrcLjaQCcCKNNX+8UXrXy7gBMjOx7a3Vp > n7AAoKmndZwBmcTvaJyNrN67vZOAzQTj > =PGTt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 08:22:54 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 08:23:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239459774.16436.26.camel@jack-desktop> i have so many questions after trying to digest this note Matthew! please tell me how to use a command to "back up a file." or better yet point me to a source for commands used to do anything in Linux. i have the book Ubuntu Unleashed including U 8.04.(with notes on 8.10) but find no explanation of how to use the command line to move around in files, directories, etc. in DOS i simply cd'd my way around and then DOS showed me exactly where i was by the header on the command line. copy with a new name for the file copied was simple and easy by copy filename newfilename etc thank you again jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 23:06 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matthew Hatch wrote: > > Modifying xorg.conf shouldn't be something to be afraid of. If the > > settings work when you press the "Apply" button, the likelihood you will > > run into issues after committing the changes are slim. However, you can > > always make a backup copy of xorg.conf before making the change and copy > > it back if you encounter problems. > > > > You don't really have much to lose if you make a backup. I've used > > nvidia-settings countless times and have never run into problems with it. > > This is where virtual terminals are your friend. If you backed up > xorg.conf, fixing a hosed gui is as simple as ctl + alt + f1, logging > in as root and running > > cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup > /etc/X11/xorg.conf; reboot > > You don't even have to reboot, but in case you're a former windows > user, maybe you're used to rebooting for everything... > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkngJUkACgkQx0pgn74qrcLjaQCcCKNNX+8UXrXy7gBMjOx7a3Vp > n7AAoKmndZwBmcTvaJyNrN67vZOAzQTj > =PGTt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 08:48:01 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 08:48:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239461281.16436.28.camel@jack-desktop> after searching on linux command line i now have gobs of information from the web. i am printing the most important info for now. one heading manipulating files is MOST useful! thank you Brandon for generating all my questions and inspiring me to find some anwers. jack On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 23:06 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matthew Hatch wrote: > > Modifying xorg.conf shouldn't be something to be afraid of. If the > > settings work when you press the "Apply" button, the likelihood you will > > run into issues after committing the changes are slim. However, you can > > always make a backup copy of xorg.conf before making the change and copy > > it back if you encounter problems. > > > > You don't really have much to lose if you make a backup. I've used > > nvidia-settings countless times and have never run into problems with it. > > This is where virtual terminals are your friend. If you backed up > xorg.conf, fixing a hosed gui is as simple as ctl + alt + f1, logging > in as root and running > > cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup > /etc/X11/xorg.conf; reboot > > You don't even have to reboot, but in case you're a former windows > user, maybe you're used to rebooting for everything... > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkngJUkACgkQx0pgn74qrcLjaQCcCKNNX+8UXrXy7gBMjOx7a3Vp > n7AAoKmndZwBmcTvaJyNrN67vZOAzQTj > =PGTt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From caleb at macjunk.net Sat Apr 11 09:12:46 2009 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Sat Apr 11 09:12:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <1239459774.16436.26.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> <1239459774.16436.26.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <3B4871A3-6D8D-4435-8A61-6FC674B0D4DF@macjunk.net> FWIW, copy in linux is pretty much the same syntax as you're used to. Except instead of copy it's just cp...so cp filename newfilename is what you would use. On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > i have so many questions after trying to digest this note Matthew! > > please tell me how to use a command to "back up a file." or better yet > point me to a source for commands used to do anything in Linux. > > i have the book Ubuntu Unleashed including U 8.04.(with notes on 8.10) > but find no explanation of how to use the command line to move > around in > files, directories, etc. > > in DOS i simply cd'd my way around and then DOS showed me exactly > where > i was by the header on the command line. copy with a new name for the > file copied was simple and easy by copy filename newfilename > > etc > > thank you again jack > > > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 23:06 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Matthew Hatch wrote: >>> Modifying xorg.conf shouldn't be something to be afraid of. If the >>> settings work when you press the "Apply" button, the likelihood >>> you will >>> run into issues after committing the changes are slim. However, >>> you can >>> always make a backup copy of xorg.conf before making the change >>> and copy >>> it back if you encounter problems. >>> >>> You don't really have much to lose if you make a backup. I've used >>> nvidia-settings countless times and have never run into problems >>> with it. >> >> This is where virtual terminals are your friend. If you backed up >> xorg.conf, fixing a hosed gui is as simple as ctl + alt + f1, logging >> in as root and running >> >> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup > /etc/X11/xorg.conf; reboot >> >> You don't even have to reboot, but in case you're a former windows >> user, maybe you're used to rebooting for everything... >> >> Brandon >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkngJUkACgkQx0pgn74qrcLjaQCcCKNNX+8UXrXy7gBMjOx7a3Vp >> n7AAoKmndZwBmcTvaJyNrN67vZOAzQTj >> =PGTt >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 09:23:58 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 09:24:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: TwinView In-Reply-To: <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239463438.6271.1.camel@jack-desktop> somehow i saved the TwinView Xorg.conf properly and now Ubuntu 8.10 boots to both monitors properly oriented! marvelous! jack From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 09:24:35 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 09:24:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <3B4871A3-6D8D-4435-8A61-6FC674B0D4DF@macjunk.net> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> <1239459774.16436.26.camel@jack-desktop> <3B4871A3-6D8D-4435-8A61-6FC674B0D4DF@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <1239463475.6271.2.camel@jack-desktop> thank you jack On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 09:12 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > FWIW, copy in linux is pretty much the same syntax as you're used to. > Except instead of copy it's just cp...so cp filename newfilename is > what you would use. > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > > i have so many questions after trying to digest this note Matthew! > > > > please tell me how to use a command to "back up a file." or better yet > > point me to a source for commands used to do anything in Linux. > > > > i have the book Ubuntu Unleashed including U 8.04.(with notes on 8.10) > > but find no explanation of how to use the command line to move > > around in > > files, directories, etc. > > > > in DOS i simply cd'd my way around and then DOS showed me exactly > > where > > i was by the header on the command line. copy with a new name for the > > file copied was simple and easy by copy filename newfilename > > > > etc > > > > thank you again jack > > > > > > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 23:06 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Matthew Hatch wrote: > >>> Modifying xorg.conf shouldn't be something to be afraid of. If the > >>> settings work when you press the "Apply" button, the likelihood > >>> you will > >>> run into issues after committing the changes are slim. However, > >>> you can > >>> always make a backup copy of xorg.conf before making the change > >>> and copy > >>> it back if you encounter problems. > >>> > >>> You don't really have much to lose if you make a backup. I've used > >>> nvidia-settings countless times and have never run into problems > >>> with it. > >> > >> This is where virtual terminals are your friend. If you backed up > >> xorg.conf, fixing a hosed gui is as simple as ctl + alt + f1, logging > >> in as root and running > >> > >> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup > /etc/X11/xorg.conf; reboot > >> > >> You don't even have to reboot, but in case you're a former windows > >> user, maybe you're used to rebooting for everything... > >> > >> Brandon > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > >> Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkngJUkACgkQx0pgn74qrcLjaQCcCKNNX+8UXrXy7gBMjOx7a3Vp > >> n7AAoKmndZwBmcTvaJyNrN67vZOAzQTj > >> =PGTt > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 11:16:54 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 11:17:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: mount cd In-Reply-To: <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239470214.8472.4.camel@jack-desktop> i put a blank cd in the cd burner. Gnome recognized and showed me the unnamed cd. i used the CD burner in Gnome to copy some files to the cd. after ejecting the cd Ubuntu no longer recognizes the cd. i can see both my cd/dvd rom and cd-rw/ldvd drives. moving the disk to another drive makes no difference. Ubuntu 8.10 also tried to mount using terminal commands. report no cd in drive. thanks jack From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 11:41:38 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Sat Apr 11 11:41:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: mount cd In-Reply-To: <1239470214.8472.4.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> <1239470214.8472.4.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49E0D652.6010208@gmail.com> Jack B. Friend wrote: > i put a blank cd in the cd burner. Gnome recognized and showed me the > unnamed cd. i used the CD burner in Gnome to copy some files to the cd. > after ejecting the cd Ubuntu no longer recognizes the cd. i can see both > my cd/dvd rom and cd-rw/ldvd drives. moving the disk to another drive > makes no difference. > > Ubuntu 8.10 > > also tried to mount using terminal commands. report no cd in drive. Jack, This sounds like there was some kind of problem burning the disk. I would suggest that you first try again, and report back if you have the same problem with a second disk. If that doesn't work, you can try burning using just the command line (theres tutorials out there on how to do this). Also, as an aside, please have your email client create an entirely new message when you start a new topic, rather than replying to one unrelated and merely changing the Subject. The email headers still reflect that your message is in reply to the other message, and since I like to use a threaded message view in my email client, your message gets lost a sub-sub-sub-sub-sub message of something completely unrelated. Michael Heath. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 12:06:39 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 12:06:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: mount cd In-Reply-To: <49E0D652.6010208@gmail.com> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> <1239470214.8472.4.camel@jack-desktop> <49E0D652.6010208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239473199.9429.1.camel@jack-desktop> thank you and i will do that. i have no problem reading other cd's. guess the burn did not work correctly. no further comments necessary. jack On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 11:41 -0600, Michael Heath wrote: > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > i put a blank cd in the cd burner. Gnome recognized and showed me the > > unnamed cd. i used the CD burner in Gnome to copy some files to the cd. > > after ejecting the cd Ubuntu no longer recognizes the cd. i can see both > > my cd/dvd rom and cd-rw/ldvd drives. moving the disk to another drive > > makes no difference. > > > > Ubuntu 8.10 > > > > also tried to mount using terminal commands. report no cd in drive. > > Jack, > > This sounds like there was some kind of problem burning the disk. I > would suggest that you first try again, and report back if you have the > same problem with a second disk. If that doesn't work, you can try > burning using just the command line (theres tutorials out there on how > to do this). > > Also, as an aside, please have your email client create an entirely new > message when you start a new topic, rather than replying to one > unrelated and merely changing the Subject. The email headers still > reflect that your message is in reply to the other message, and since I > like to use a threaded message view in my email client, your message > gets lost a sub-sub-sub-sub-sub message of something completely unrelated. > > Michael Heath. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From bms at mscis.org Sat Apr 11 15:01:31 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sat Apr 11 15:01:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <3B4871A3-6D8D-4435-8A61-6FC674B0D4DF@macjunk.net> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> <1239459774.16436.26.camel@jack-desktop> <3B4871A3-6D8D-4435-8A61-6FC674B0D4DF@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <49E1052B.4080100@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Caleb Call wrote: > FWIW, copy in linux is pretty much the same syntax as you're used > to. Except instead of copy it's just cp...so cp filename And if you want to move a file, use mv . Usually it's safer to use cp then remove the file you want to move, but when you are sure you just need to move, use mv. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknhBSoACgkQx0pgn74qrcKaZQCfQWLymEEoBUyhFwmZ86/ZEsuQ ImEAoItOH5fOD/OxCUkcIwJO6Ym18Th3 =OG9m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 15:54:56 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 15:55:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A disappointment with Dell / Red Hat support In-Reply-To: <49E1052B.4080100@mscis.org> References: <200904041427.21853.fozz@xmission.com> <1238888924.3859.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49DE5CD0.1000505@fastmail.us> <1239310389.6285.3.camel@jack-desktop> <49DEA24C.4060901@fastmail.us> <49DED9C0.5020505@mscis.org> <1239387508.14518.11.camel@jack-desktop> <49DF9C23.8000305@xmission.com> <1239391923.8996.0.camel@jack-desktop> <1239395913.9540.10.camel@jack-desktop> <04584027-7927-47A1-A9C8-CA3A62ECB297@azza.com> <1239417901.9739.21.camel@jack-desktop> <49E00F9C.3030508@azza.com> <49E0254A.6000607@mscis.org> <1239459774.16436.26.camel@jack-desktop> <3B4871A3-6D8D-4435-8A61-6FC674B0D4DF@macjunk.net> <49E1052B.4080100@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239486896.11516.1.camel@jack-desktop> thank you jack On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 15:01 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Caleb Call wrote: > > > FWIW, copy in linux is pretty much the same syntax as you're used > > to. Except instead of copy it's just cp...so cp filename > > And if you want to move a file, use mv . Usually it's safer to use cp > then remove the file you want to move, but when you are sure you just > need to move, use mv. > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAknhBSoACgkQx0pgn74qrcKaZQCfQWLymEEoBUyhFwmZ86/ZEsuQ > ImEAoItOH5fOD/OxCUkcIwJO6Ym18Th3 > =OG9m > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 19:56:54 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 19:57:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory Message-ID: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/source no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or file i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email notation) and want to go to /home/jack/source dragging and dropping does not work! thankyou jack From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 20:14:57 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sat Apr 11 20:15:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> Do "cp ~/desktop ~/" If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but that would be quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is called test.txt, it would be: "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" Hope that helps. Thanks, Justin On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/source > > no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or file > > i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in > jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email notation) and > want to go to /home/jack/source > > dragging and dropping does not work! > > thankyou > jack > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From caleb at macjunk.net Sat Apr 11 20:27:05 2009 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Sat Apr 11 20:27:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top directory it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ HTH. On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Do > "cp ~/desktop ~/" > > If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but that would be > quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is called > test.txt, it would be: > > "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" > > Hope that helps. > > Thanks, > > Justin > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: >> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/source >> >> no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or file >> >> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in >> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email notation) and >> want to go to /home/jack/source >> >> dragging and dropping does not work! >> >> thankyou >> jack >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 20:53:12 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 20:53:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> i typed: cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and get: cannot stat '/home/jack/desktop/*' :no such file or directory i can see the Xlog file on the desktop?! On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 20:27 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top > directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ > however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it > would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all > the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top directory > it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > HTH. > > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > > Do > > "cp ~/desktop ~/" > > > > If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but that would be > > quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is called > > test.txt, it would be: > > > > "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Justin > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend > > wrote: > >> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/source > >> > >> no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or file > >> > >> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in > >> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email notation) and > >> want to go to /home/jack/source > >> > >> dragging and dropping does not work! > >> > >> thankyou > >> jack > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 20:58:32 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Sat Apr 11 20:58:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <86d2b63e0904111958h437271b9t89390c08d59097d6@mail.gmail.com> I suspect you typed Desktop wrong ;-) On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > i typed: > > cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > and get: cannot stat '/home/jack/desktop/*' :no such file or directory > > i can see the Xlog file on the desktop?! > > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 20:27 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > > Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top > > directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ > > however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it > > would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all > > the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top directory > > it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > > > HTH. > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > > > > Do > > > "cp ~/desktop ~/" > > > > > > If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but that would be > > > quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is called > > > test.txt, it would be: > > > > > > "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend > > > wrote: > > >> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/source > > >> > > >> no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or file > > >> > > >> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in > > >> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email notation) and > > >> want to go to /home/jack/source > > >> > > >> dragging and dropping does not work! > > >> > > >> thankyou > > >> jack > > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090411/1106054e/attachment-0001.html From caleb at macjunk.net Sat Apr 11 21:38:40 2009 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Sat Apr 11 21:38:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <86d2b63e0904111958h437271b9t89390c08d59097d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0904111958h437271b9t89390c08d59097d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <06EDFB1D-9BDF-462D-9E25-81FBC9D2A177@macjunk.net> Yep, I'm guessing it's a capital D Jack, the one of the best pieces of advice I can give is to learn how to use tab complete. Then you'll know for sure if you are typing it correctly. So type ~/De (then hit tab) and it should complete Desktop for you. On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > I suspect you typed Desktop wrong ;-) > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: > i typed: > > cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > and get: cannot stat '/home/jack/desktop/*' :no such file or directory > > i can see the Xlog file on the desktop?! > > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 20:27 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > > Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top > > directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ > > however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it > > would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy > all > > the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top > directory > > it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > > > HTH. > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > > > > Do > > > "cp ~/desktop ~/" > > > > > > If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but that would > be > > > quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is called > > > test.txt, it would be: > > > > > > "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend > > > wrote: > > >> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/ > source > > >> > > >> no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or > file > > >> > > >> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in > > >> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email > notation) and > > >> want to go to /home/jack/source > > >> > > >> dragging and dropping does not work! > > >> > > >> thankyou > > >> jack > > >> > > >> > > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > #Utah > > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > #Utah > > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090411/b1cbe19e/attachment.htm From remo at italy1.com Sat Apr 11 22:00:55 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Sat Apr 11 22:01:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <7C6E4265-BABA-4D7B-80A2-DB4F2C01BEDD@italy1.com> I think desktop is with cap Desktop make sure it is there do an ls -la it will show what's inside your dir Inviato da iPhone Il giorno Apr 11, 2009, alle ore 20:53, "Jack B. Friend" ha scritto: > i typed: > > cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > and get: cannot stat '/home/jack/desktop/*' :no such file or directory > > i can see the Xlog file on the desktop?! > > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 20:27 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: >> Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top >> directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ >> however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it >> would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all >> the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top >> directory >> it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ >> >> HTH. >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> >>> Do >>> "cp ~/desktop ~/" >>> >>> If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but that would be >>> quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is called >>> test.txt, it would be: >>> >>> "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend >>> wrote: >>>> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/source >>>> >>>> no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or >>>> file >>>> >>>> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in >>>> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email notation) >>>> and >>>> want to go to /home/jack/source >>>> >>>> dragging and dropping does not work! >>>> >>>> thankyou >>>> jack >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, >>>> links. >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel >>>> #Utah >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel >>> #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49e1588e27911540612102! > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 22:03:17 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 22:03:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <06EDFB1D-9BDF-462D-9E25-81FBC9D2A177@macjunk.net> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0904111958h437271b9t89390c08d59097d6@mail.gmail.com> <06EDFB1D-9BDF-462D-9E25-81FBC9D2A177@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <1239508997.14839.10.camel@jack-desktop> i am going to reboot and see if that finds the xlog file. i did reboot once but maybe xlog is still not in the system. jack On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 21:38 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > Yep, I'm guessing it's a capital D > > > Jack, the one of the best pieces of advice I can give is to learn how > to use tab complete. Then you'll know for sure if you are typing it > correctly. So type ~/De (then hit tab) and it should complete Desktop > for you. > > > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > > > I suspect you typed Desktop wrong ;-) > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Jack B. Friend > > wrote: > > i typed: > > > > cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > > > and get: cannot stat '/home/jack/desktop/*' :no such file or > > directory > > > > i can see the Xlog file on the desktop?! > > > > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 20:27 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > > > Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the > > top > > > directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop > > ~/source/ > > > however if he just wanted to copy the files within the > > directory it > > > would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted > > to copy all > > > the files AND directories within his desktop but not the > > top directory > > > it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > > > > > HTH. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > > > > > > > Do > > > > "cp ~/desktop ~/" > > > > > > > > If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but > > that would be > > > > quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is > > called > > > > test.txt, it would be: > > > > > > > > "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" > > > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend > > > > wrote: > > > >> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop > > to /home/jack/source > > > >> > > > >> no matter how i write that line it reports no such > > directory or file > > > >> > > > >> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in > > > >> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email > > notation) and > > > >> want to go to /home/jack/source > > > >> > > > >> dragging and dropping does not work! > > > >> > > > >> thankyou > > > >> jack > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, > > information, links. > > > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > > > >> > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, > > information, links. > > > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > > > > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, > > information, links. > > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > > > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, > > information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > > channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > > #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 22:33:39 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 22:33:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <7C6E4265-BABA-4D7B-80A2-DB4F2C01BEDD@italy1.com> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> <7C6E4265-BABA-4D7B-80A2-DB4F2C01BEDD@italy1.com> Message-ID: <1239510819.7249.0.camel@jack-desktop> you are right. that file is NOT in the DESKTOP directory! guess i need to find out where it is. jack On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 22:00 -0600, Remo Mattei wrote: > I think desktop is with cap Desktop make sure it is there do an ls -la > it will show what's inside your dir > > Inviato da iPhone > > Il giorno Apr 11, 2009, alle ore 20:53, "Jack B. Friend" > ha scritto: > > > i typed: > > > > cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > > > and get: cannot stat '/home/jack/desktop/*' :no such file or directory > > > > i can see the Xlog file on the desktop?! > > > > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 20:27 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > >> Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top > >> directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ > >> however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it > >> would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all > >> the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top > >> directory > >> it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > >> > >> HTH. > >> > >> > >> On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > >> > >>> Do > >>> "cp ~/desktop ~/" > >>> > >>> If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but that would be > >>> quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is called > >>> test.txt, it would be: > >>> > >>> "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" > >>> > >>> Hope that helps. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Justin > >>> > >>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend > >>> wrote: > >>>> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/source > >>>> > >>>> no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or > >>>> file > >>>> > >>>> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in > >>>> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email notation) > >>>> and > >>>> want to go to /home/jack/source > >>>> > >>>> dragging and dropping does not work! > >>>> > >>>> thankyou > >>>> jack > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ > > > >>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > >>>> links. > >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > >>>> #Utah > >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >>>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________________ > > > >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > >>> #Utah > >>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > > > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > !DSPAM:49e1588e27911540612102! > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 22:45:24 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sat Apr 11 22:45:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <7C6E4265-BABA-4D7B-80A2-DB4F2C01BEDD@italy1.com> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> <7C6E4265-BABA-4D7B-80A2-DB4F2C01BEDD@italy1.com> Message-ID: <1239511524.7249.2.camel@jack-desktop> here is what i did: $ sudo cp /home/jack/Desktop/xlog* /home/source/xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz and it worked! jack On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 22:00 -0600, Remo Mattei wrote: > I think desktop is with cap Desktop make sure it is there do an ls -la > it will show what's inside your dir > > Inviato da iPhone > > Il giorno Apr 11, 2009, alle ore 20:53, "Jack B. Friend" > ha scritto: > > > i typed: > > > > cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > > > and get: cannot stat '/home/jack/desktop/*' :no such file or directory > > > > i can see the Xlog file on the desktop?! > > > > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 20:27 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: > >> Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top > >> directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ > >> however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it > >> would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all > >> the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top > >> directory > >> it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > >> > >> HTH. > >> > >> > >> On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > >> > >>> Do > >>> "cp ~/desktop ~/" > >>> > >>> If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but that would be > >>> quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is called > >>> test.txt, it would be: > >>> > >>> "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" > >>> > >>> Hope that helps. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Justin > >>> > >>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend > >>> wrote: > >>>> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop to /home/jack/source > >>>> > >>>> no matter how i write that line it reports no such directory or > >>>> file > >>>> > >>>> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in > >>>> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email notation) > >>>> and > >>>> want to go to /home/jack/source > >>>> > >>>> dragging and dropping does not work! > >>>> > >>>> thankyou > >>>> jack > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ > > > >>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > >>>> links. > >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > >>>> #Utah > >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >>>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________________ > > > >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel > >>> #Utah > >>> sllug-members@sllug.org > >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > > > >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > >> sllug-members@sllug.org > >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > !DSPAM:49e1588e27911540612102! > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From bms at mscis.org Sat Apr 11 23:00:15 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sat Apr 11 23:00:22 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Caleb Call wrote: > Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top > directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ > however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it > would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all > the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top directory > it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > HTH. You are mostly right. However, this: cp -r /path/to/files/* /path/to/newfiles/ Does *not* copy all files and directories within /path/to/files. Run this to test: $mkdir temp1 $mkdir temp2 $touch temp1/file{1,2,3,4,5} $touch temp1/.file{1,2,3,4,5} $mkdir temp1/testdir{1,2} $mkdir temp1/.testdir{1,2} $ls -a temp1 . file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 .. .file1 .file2 .file3 .file4 .file5 .testdir1 .testdir2 $cp -rf temp1/* temp2/ $ls -a temp2 . .. file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 Notice that the copy command did not copy hidden files or folders, files that start with a . to the temp2 directory. If you want to copy all files and directories within a directory, without copying the top level directory, use a dot instead of a star. Resuming from where we left off in the previous scenario: $rm -rf temp2/{file,testdir}{1,2,3,4,5} $cp -rf temp1/. temp2/ $ls -a temp2/ . file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 .. .file1 .file2 .file3 .file4 .file5 .testdir1 .testdir2 Notice also that when I do a recursive copy (cp -r), I also usually include the force switch (-f), so my copy commands used -rf instead of just -r, depending on whether I want any existing files with the same name that happen to already exist to be over-written, which I usually do. One real live application: Knowing about this fact, that you need to use a dot instead of a star to copy all the contents of a directory, is important when you overwrite a CMS with a new version and it contains .htaccess files in the root of directory you are copying from. If you actually ran through those steps, you might want to clean up: rm -rf temp{1,2} Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknhdV4ACgkQx0pgn74qrcKK4ACcCL2vUQCAJXxNqQ3vTFtpnAWl SCoAoLUXq1uS4o+Kv4moapNKttAXCHMm =VG7a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Sat Apr 11 23:04:07 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sat Apr 11 23:04:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <1239511524.7249.2.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> <7C6E4265-BABA-4D7B-80A2-DB4F2C01BEDD@italy1.com> <1239511524.7249.2.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49E17647.1030100@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jack B. Friend wrote: > here is what i did: > > > $ sudo cp /home/jack/Desktop/xlog* /home/source/xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz > > > and it worked! > > jack Perhaps you were not aware that Linux file systems are case sensitive. The directory DESKTOP is not the same as the directory Desktop. You can have all these directories co-existing at the same time, within the same parent directory: Desktop DEsktop dEsktop ... DESKTOP I hope it's obvious why I didn't want to bother typing all the case-sensitive variations of the word 'desktop'. I don't have *that* much time on my hands... Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknhdkcACgkQx0pgn74qrcL97QCgwKB95vkfrsTiCmWbPQoHn8xg eLoAniYHfo4FHno3WI467YwnNTvyYV1x =3m/I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From remo at italy1.com Sat Apr 11 23:04:40 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Sat Apr 11 23:04:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <1239508997.14839.10.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0904111958h437271b9t89390c08d59097d6@mail.gmail.com> <06EDFB1D-9BDF-462D-9E25-81FBC9D2A177@macjunk.net> <1239508997.14839.10.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <2CDAFF8F-12AE-4D5C-85E9-91387F770CB0@italy1.com> U do not have to reboot it is not a windows machine Inviato da iPhone Il giorno Apr 11, 2009, alle ore 22:03, "Jack B. Friend" ha scritto: > i am going to reboot and see if that finds the xlog file. i did reboot > once but maybe xlog is still not in the system. > > jack > > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 21:38 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: >> Yep, I'm guessing it's a capital D >> >> >> Jack, the one of the best pieces of advice I can give is to learn how >> to use tab complete. Then you'll know for sure if you are typing it >> correctly. So type ~/De (then hit tab) and it should complete >> Desktop >> for you. >> >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: >> >>> I suspect you typed Desktop wrong ;-) >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Jack B. Friend >>> wrote: >>> i typed: >>> >>> cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ >>> >>> and get: cannot stat '/home/jack/desktop/*' :no such file or >>> directory >>> >>> i can see the Xlog file on the desktop?! >>> >>> On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 20:27 -0600, Caleb Call wrote: >>>> Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the >>> top >>>> directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop >>> ~/source/ >>>> however if he just wanted to copy the files within the >>> directory it >>>> would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted >>> to copy all >>>> the files AND directories within his desktop but not the >>> top directory >>>> it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ >>>> >>>> HTH. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do >>>>> "cp ~/desktop ~/" >>>>> >>>>> If you are looking to copy that entire directory, but >>> that would be >>>>> quite silly. If you wanted to copy a file let's say is >>> called >>>>> test.txt, it would be: >>>>> >>>>> "cp ~/desktop/test.txt ~/test.txt" >>>>> >>>>> Hope that helps. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jack B. Friend >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Please tell me the syntax for cp from desktop >>> to /home/jack/source >>>>>> >>>>>> no matter how i write that line it reports no such >>> directory or file >>>>>> >>>>>> i copied xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz to the desktop and am in >>>>>> jack(@)jack-desktop:~$ (added the () to break the email >>> notation) and >>>>>> want to go to /home/jack/source >>>>>> >>>>>> dragging and dropping does not work! >>>>>> >>>>>> thankyou >>>>>> jack >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, >>> information, links. >>>>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >>> channel #Utah >>>>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>>>> >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, >>> information, links. >>>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >>> channel #Utah >>>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>>> >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, >>> information, links. >>>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >>> channel #Utah >>>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>>> >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, >>> information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >>> channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel >>> #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49e1687067731117914062! > From remo at italy1.com Sat Apr 11 23:07:38 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Sat Apr 11 23:07:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> Message-ID: Use the cp -R not r Just my 2 cents Inviato da iPhone Il giorno Apr 11, 2009, alle ore 23:00, Brandon Stout ha scritto: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Caleb Call wrote: > >> Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top >> directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ >> however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it >> would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all >> the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top >> directory >> it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ >> >> HTH. > > You are mostly right. However, this: > > cp -r /path/to/files/* /path/to/newfiles/ > > Does *not* copy all files and directories within /path/to/files. Run > this to test: > > $mkdir temp1 > $mkdir temp2 > $touch temp1/file{1,2,3,4,5} > $touch temp1/.file{1,2,3,4,5} > $mkdir temp1/testdir{1,2} > $mkdir temp1/.testdir{1,2} > $ls -a temp1 > . file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 > .. .file1 .file2 .file3 .file4 .file5 .testdir1 .testdir2 > $cp -rf temp1/* temp2/ > $ls -a temp2 > . .. file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 > > Notice that the copy command did not copy hidden files or folders, > files > that start with a . to the temp2 directory. If you want to copy all > files and directories within a directory, without copying the top > level > directory, use a dot instead of a star. Resuming from where we left > off > in the previous scenario: > > $rm -rf temp2/{file,testdir}{1,2,3,4,5} > $cp -rf temp1/. temp2/ > $ls -a temp2/ > . file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 > .. .file1 .file2 .file3 .file4 .file5 .testdir1 .testdir2 > > Notice also that when I do a recursive copy (cp -r), I also usually > include the force switch (-f), so my copy commands used -rf instead of > just -r, depending on whether I want any existing files with the same > name that happen to already exist to be over-written, which I usually > do. One real live application: Knowing about this fact, that you > need > to use a dot instead of a star to copy all the contents of a > directory, > is important when you overwrite a CMS with a new version and it > contains > .htaccess files in the root of directory you are copying from. > > If you actually ran through those steps, you might want to clean up: > > rm -rf temp{1,2} > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAknhdV4ACgkQx0pgn74qrcKK4ACcCL2vUQCAJXxNqQ3vTFtpnAWl > SCoAoLUXq1uS4o+Kv4moapNKttAXCHMm > =VG7a > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49e175d697011422710714! > From bms at mscis.org Sat Apr 11 23:34:42 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sat Apr 11 23:34:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49E17D72.6040903@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Remo Mattei wrote: > Use the cp -R not r > > Just my 2 cents > > Inviato da iPhone They are the same thing, -r and -R. From man 1 cp: - -R, -r, --recursive copy directories recursively Since they are the same, I prefer just -r since it's one less keystroke. However, anyone who feels inclined to spend that extra tenth of a second to push the shift key, you can do so. Just remember that if everyone did it that way, we might have several thousand cumulative seconds of shift-key-pushing wasted, and that also adds several thousand seconds of cumulative power consumption that could have been used more efficiently. You can also do --recursive if you want, but think of all the cumulative lost time and energy /that/ does... :) Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknhfXEACgkQx0pgn74qrcL9ZgCgqNtzY+3auYWoxRc4T8aXwxlM eSIAoKfF/Ya1je3/mzYCLIeCYgUl/T/z =yPNE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From remo at italy1.com Sat Apr 11 23:45:43 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Sat Apr 11 23:45:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <49E17D72.6040903@mscis.org> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> <49E17D72.6040903@mscis.org> Message-ID: Check the info page they are different even though man says they are the same Inviato da iPhone Il giorno Apr 11, 2009, alle ore 23:34, Brandon Stout ha scritto: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Remo Mattei wrote: > >> Use the cp -R not r >> >> Just my 2 cents >> >> Inviato da iPhone > > They are the same thing, -r and -R. From man 1 cp: > > - -R, -r, --recursive > copy directories recursively > > Since they are the same, I prefer just -r since it's one less > keystroke. However, anyone who feels inclined to spend that extra > tenth of a second to push the shift key, you can do so. Just remember > that if everyone did it that way, we might have several thousand > cumulative seconds of shift-key-pushing wasted, and that also adds > several thousand seconds of cumulative power consumption that could > have been used more efficiently. You can also do --recursive if you > want, but think of all the cumulative lost time and energy /that/ > does... > > :) > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAknhfXEACgkQx0pgn74qrcL9ZgCgqNtzY+3auYWoxRc4T8aXwxlM > eSIAoKfF/Ya1je3/mzYCLIeCYgUl/T/z > =yPNE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49e17df2116635249956076! > From matthew at azza.com Sun Apr 12 07:44:18 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Sun Apr 12 07:44:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> <49E17D72.6040903@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49E1F032.9060508@azza.com> Remo Mattei wrote: > Check the info page they are different even though man says they are the > same I quote from 'info cp': `-R' `-r' `--recursive' Copy directories recursively. By default, do not follow symbolic links in the source; see the `--archive' (`-a'), `-d', `--dereference' (`-L'), `--no-dereference' (`-P'), and `-H' options. Special files are copied by creating a destination file of the same type as the source; see the `--copy-contents' option. It is not portable to use `-r' to copy symbolic links or special files. On some non-GNU systems, `-r' implies the equivalent of `-L' and `--copy-contents' for historical reasons. Also, it is not portable to use `-R' to copy symbolic links unless you also specify `-P', as POSIX allows implementations that dereference symbolic links by default. Looks like they're the same. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brandon From bms at flfn.org Thu Apr 9 16:17:08 2009 From: bms at flfn.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sun Apr 12 08:18:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Apple Lossless to FLAC In-Reply-To: References: <49DD6348.8010300@mscis.org> <8CF86522-353A-4ABA-9272-C6B42925CE02@azza.com> <49DE621F.9030606@mscis.org> Message-ID: <49DE73E4.1010803@flfn.org> Jeff Shipley wrote: > Have you tried running it with pulse, alsa, or pcm specified? You > don't need programs with those names, you just need those sound > systems installed. > > Today, it seems that everybody is running pulse. Up until a year ago, > alsa was the most popular (might still be, I really don't know). > > I would recommend just running this specifying the pcm, and let us > know if it doesn't work. That worked: mplayer -ao pcm:file='/home/brasto/Music/Artist Name/Song Name.wav' /media/disk/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Artist\ Name/Song\ Name.m4a Very cool. From bms at flfn.org Sat Apr 11 22:59:18 2009 From: bms at flfn.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sun Apr 12 08:19:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <49E17526.1020405@flfn.org> Caleb Call wrote: > Actually, in order for cp to copy an entire directory (the top > directory included) he would have to use cp -r ~/desktop ~/source/ > however if he just wanted to copy the files within the directory it > would be cp ~/desktop/* ~/source/ and lastly if he wanted to copy all > the files AND directories within his desktop but not the top directory > it would be cp -r ~/desktop/* ~/source/ > > HTH. You are mostly right. However, this: cp -r /path/to/files/* /path/to/newfiles/ Does *not* copy all files and directories within /path/to/files. Run this to test: $mkdir temp1 $mkdir temp2 $touch temp1/file{1,2,3,4,5} $touch temp1/.file{1,2,3,4,5} $mkdir temp1/testdir{1,2} $mkdir temp1/.testdir{1,2} $ls -a temp1 . file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 .. .file1 .file2 .file3 .file4 .file5 .testdir1 .testdir2 $cp -rf temp1/* temp2/ $ls -a temp2 . .. file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 Notice that the copy command did not copy hidden files or folders, files that start with a . to the temp2 directory. If you want to copy all files and directories within a directory, without copying the top level directory, use a dot instead of a star. Resuming from where we left off in the previous scenario: $rm -rf temp2/{file,testdir}{1,2,3,4,5} $cp -rf temp1/. temp2/ $ls -a temp2/ . file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 testdir1 testdir2 .. .file1 .file2 .file3 .file4 .file5 .testdir1 .testdir2 Notice also that when I do a recursive copy (cp -r), I also usually include the force switch (-f), so my copy commands used -rf instead of just -r, depending on whether I want any existing files with the same name that happen to already exist to be over-written, which I usually do. One real live application: Knowing about this fact, that you need to use a dot instead of a star to copy all the contents of a directory, is important when you overwrite a CMS with a new version and it contains .htaccess files in the root of directory you are copying from. If you actually ran through those steps, you might want to clean up: rm -rf temp{1,2} Brandon From byron at theclarkfamily.name Sun Apr 12 08:58:26 2009 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Sun Apr 12 08:58:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <49E17526.1020405@flfn.org> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <49E17526.1020405@flfn.org> Message-ID: <20090412145826.GF4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:59:18PM -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > You are mostly right. However, this: > > cp -r /path/to/files/* /path/to/newfiles/ > > Does *not* copy all files and directories within /path/to/files. Run > this to test: Almost... it all depends on how your shell expands '*'. Bash has the dotglob option (shopt -s dotglob), zsh has GLOB_DOTS (set -o GLOB_DOTS). Both allow a '*' to match files starting with '.'. -- Byron Clark From haas at xmission.com Sun Apr 12 09:37:33 2009 From: haas at xmission.com (Walt Haas) Date: Sun Apr 12 09:37:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <1239511524.7249.2.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> <7C6E4265-BABA-4D7B-80A2-DB4F2C01BEDD@italy1.com> <1239511524.7249.2.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49E20ABD.3080604@xmission.com> I can highly recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Made-Easy-John-Muster/dp/007219314X If you take the time to work through the exercises, you will be a master of the CLI. -- Walt Jack B. Friend wrote: > here is what i did: > > > $ sudo cp /home/jack/Desktop/xlog* /home/source/xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz > > > and it worked! > > jack > From bms at mscis.org Sun Apr 12 10:04:27 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sun Apr 12 10:04:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <49E1F032.9060508@azza.com> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> <49E17D72.6040903@mscis.org> <49E1F032.9060508@azza.com> Message-ID: <49E2110B.6000002@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Hatch wrote: > Remo Mattei wrote: > >> Check the info page they are different even though man says they >> are the same > > I quote from 'info cp': > > `-R' `-r' `--recursive' Copy directories recursively. By default, > do not follow symbolic links in the source; see the `--archive' > (`-a'), `-d', `--dereference' (`-L'), `--no-dereference' (`-P'), > and `-H' options. Special files are copied by creating a > destination file of the same type as the source; see the > `--copy-contents' option. It is not portable to use `-r' to copy > symbolic links or special files. On some non-GNU systems, `-r' > implies the equivalent of `-L' and `--copy-contents' for historical > reasons. Also, it is not portable to use `-R' to copy symbolic > links unless you also specify `-P', as POSIX allows implementations > that dereference symbolic links by default. > > > Looks like they're the same. You also pointed out an important fact, that cp -r (or -R) is not portable for sym links. For that, use cp -a: `-a' `--archive' Preserve as much as possible of the structure and attributes of the original files in the copy (but do not attempt to preserve internal directory structure; i.e., `ls -U' may list the entries in a copied directory in a different order). Equivalent to `-dpR'. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkniEQoACgkQx0pgn74qrcKokwCggvL2ebWS4/AYNwn/vl85p3rT RJkAn1BBAaYPECGSWESLalA/8eiMJ+dV =36Hz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:17:16 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 12 12:20:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> Hey Guys, I was wondering if anyone knew how to get BASH history to work for non root users over SSH. I'm not sure if this is just specfic to SSH, because it seems that in the past, just local non root users had a shell history when I've used any distro. I have this slicehost slice running Ubuntu Server 8.04, so X isn't installed at all, just straight shell. Using as a web server to run my business site that I am working on in Ruby on Rails. Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. I tried creating the .bashhistory file, but that did not seem to do the trick. Does anyone know how to get around that? This has been racking my brain for a while now... :P Thanks, Justin From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:26:29 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Sun Apr 12 12:34:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <49E1F032.9060508@azza.com> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> <49E17D72.6040903@mscis.org> <49E1F032.9060508@azza.com> Message-ID: <49E22445.3050208@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Hatch wrote: > Remo Mattei wrote: > >> Check the info page they are different even though man says they are the >> same > > I quote from 'info cp': > [snip] > > Looks like they're the same. As your own info page quote says, -r and -R are the same really only in GNU cp. While I know that this is a LUG mailing list, and almost every Linux system uses GNU cp, best practices would say one should treat them as different in order to aide in compatibility and portability of any scripts you write. I know this wasn't why -r vs -R was brought up, and in this situation it doesn't matter, I just throught I'd throw in my two cents :) - -- Mike Heath -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkniJEUACgkQnG96LEyXQjYK5gCghMYgO5lcDddMz/3DI/8X1NIF A18AniHRcjxx5KFqjLn/a11vhuBGx0oc =AFH5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From caleb at macjunk.net Sun Apr 12 13:10:33 2009 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:10:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EF1E484-F385-49E0-A964-D8123C721C4B@macjunk.net> Well, the file would be .bash_history. It's enabled by default, but is limited to 500 lines. If it's not there, it's something you've done. On Apr 12, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to get BASH history to work for non > root users over SSH. > > I'm not sure if this is just specfic to SSH, because it seems that in > the past, just local non root users had a shell history when I've used > any distro. > > I have this slicehost slice running Ubuntu Server 8.04, so X isn't > installed at all, just straight shell. Using as a web server to run my > business site that I am working on in Ruby on Rails. > > Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH > history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and > other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, > but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the > command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. > > I tried creating the .bashhistory file, but that did not seem to do > the trick. Does anyone know how to get around that? > > This has been racking my brain for a while now... :P > > Thanks, > > Justin > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From kwalker at kobran.org Sun Apr 12 13:23:17 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:23:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239564197.10743.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 11:17 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to get BASH history to work for non > root users over SSH. > > I'm not sure if this is just specfic to SSH, because it seems that in > the past, just local non root users had a shell history when I've used > any distro. > > I have this slicehost slice running Ubuntu Server 8.04, so X isn't > installed at all, just straight shell. Using as a web server to run my > business site that I am working on in Ruby on Rails. > > Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH > history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and > other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, > but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the > command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. > > I tried creating the .bashhistory file, but that did not seem to do > the trick. Does anyone know how to get around that? > > This has been racking my brain for a while now... :P Do you have any HIST* settings in your shell? You can check by running this command: set | grep -i hist You should see something like this: HISTFILE=/home/kwalker/.bash_history HISTFILESIZE=1000 HISTSIZE=1000 If you don't, try setting them in your ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc file, then logout and back in and see if it keeps a history for you. -KW From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:18:40 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:26:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904121018l6c109011i2d61966881638678@mail.gmail.com> Or I should have said, I tried creating the .bash_history file is what I meant ;) Just wanted to clarify that before I get hell about it, LOL :P On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to get BASH history to work for non > root users over SSH. > > I'm not sure if this is just specfic to SSH, because it seems that in > the past, just local non root users had a shell history when I've used > any distro. > > I have this slicehost slice running Ubuntu Server 8.04, so X isn't > installed at all, just straight shell. Using as a web server to run my > business site that I am working on in Ruby on Rails. > > Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH > history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and > other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, > but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the > command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. > > I tried creating the .bashhistory file, but that did not seem to do > the trick. Does anyone know how to get around that? > > This has been racking my brain for a while now... :P > > Thanks, > > Justin > From caleb at macjunk.net Sun Apr 12 13:26:25 2009 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:26:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I should also mention that if it has gotten screwed up (like it's set to /dev/null) you can set it back to .bash_history with the command HISTFILE=~/.bash_history On Apr 12, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to get BASH history to work for non > root users over SSH. > > I'm not sure if this is just specfic to SSH, because it seems that in > the past, just local non root users had a shell history when I've used > any distro. > > I have this slicehost slice running Ubuntu Server 8.04, so X isn't > installed at all, just straight shell. Using as a web server to run my > business site that I am working on in Ruby on Rails. > > Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH > history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and > other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, > but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the > command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. > > I tried creating the .bashhistory file, but that did not seem to do > the trick. Does anyone know how to get around that? > > This has been racking my brain for a while now... :P > > Thanks, > > Justin > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 13:27:02 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:27:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <4EF1E484-F385-49E0-A964-D8123C721C4B@macjunk.net> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <4EF1E484-F385-49E0-A964-D8123C721C4B@macjunk.net> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904121227m6220c385rfdad707a69a4ea8e@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, .bash_history is right. I tried replying to my original e-mail with the correction, but I guess it never sent... Well so on my VPS, I created a user named web, that all of my sites are ran under, so web and www-root communicate together. I created the user with useradd, and used the argument to create the home directory, but bash history doesn't work at all. There was no .bash_history in ~/. I tried creating the file, used chmod to add the proper permissions, but it still won't work for me... On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Caleb Call wrote: > Well, the file would be .bash_history. ?It's enabled by default, but is > limited to 500 lines. ?If it's not there, it's something you've done. > > On Apr 12, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > >> Hey Guys, >> >> I was wondering if anyone knew how to get BASH history to work for non >> root users over SSH. >> >> I'm not sure if this is just specfic to SSH, because it seems that in >> the past, just local non root users had a shell history when I've used >> any distro. >> >> I have this slicehost slice running Ubuntu Server 8.04, so X isn't >> installed at all, just straight shell. Using as a web server to run my >> business site that I am working on in Ruby on Rails. >> >> Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH >> history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and >> other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, >> but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the >> command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. >> >> I tried creating the .bashhistory file, but that did not seem to do >> the trick. Does anyone know how to get around that? >> >> This has been racking my brain for a while now... :P >> >> Thanks, >> >> Justin >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From kwalker at kobran.org Sun Apr 12 13:33:24 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:33:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <49E17D72.6040903@mscis.org> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <49E1755F.9020304@mscis.org> <49E17D72.6040903@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239564804.10743.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 23:34 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > They are the same thing, -r and -R. From man 1 cp: > > - -R, -r, --recursive > copy directories recursively > > Since they are the same, I prefer just -r since it's one less > keystroke. However, anyone who feels inclined to spend that extra > tenth of a second to push the shift key, you can do so. Just remember > that if everyone did it that way, we might have several thousand > cumulative seconds of shift-key-pushing wasted, and that also adds > several thousand seconds of cumulative power consumption that could > have been used more efficiently. You can also do --recursive if you > want, but think of all the cumulative lost time and energy /that/ does... For cp they're the same. For other commands they are not, and for consistency, it's easier for me to remember that -R is recursive rather than -r is recursive in cp but -R is recursive in chown, chmod, chgrp, chcon, ... -KW From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 13:33:29 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:33:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <1239564197.10743.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <1239564197.10743.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904121233y48f799edtf4b04cff2303d1d6@mail.gmail.com> Ok, add the lines HISTFILE=/home/web/.bash_history HISTFILESIZE=1000 HISTSIZE=1000 to ~/.bashrc. Logged off, logged back on. Still nothing. I ran set | grep -i hist again, and still nothing. On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Knight Walker wrote: > On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 11:17 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> Hey Guys, >> >> I was wondering if anyone knew how to get BASH history to work for non >> root users over SSH. >> >> I'm not sure if this is just specfic to SSH, because it seems that in >> the past, just local non root users had a shell history when I've used >> any distro. >> >> I have this slicehost slice running Ubuntu Server 8.04, so X isn't >> installed at all, just straight shell. Using as a web server to run my >> business site that I am working on in Ruby on Rails. >> >> Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH >> history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and >> other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, >> but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the >> command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. >> >> I tried creating the .bashhistory file, but that did not seem to do >> the trick. Does anyone know how to get around that? >> >> This has been racking my brain for a while now... :P > > Do you have any HIST* settings in your shell? You can check by running > this command: > > set | grep -i hist > > You should see something like this: > > HISTFILE=/home/kwalker/.bash_history > HISTFILESIZE=1000 > HISTSIZE=1000 > > If you don't, try setting them in your ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc > file, then logout and back in and see if it keeps a history for you. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From kwalker at kobran.org Sun Apr 12 13:37:02 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:37:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121227m6220c385rfdad707a69a4ea8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <4EF1E484-F385-49E0-A964-D8123C721C4B@macjunk.net> <2f932a4a0904121227m6220c385rfdad707a69a4ea8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239565022.10743.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 13:27 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Yeah, .bash_history is right. I tried replying to my original e-mail > with the correction, but I guess it never sent... > > Well so on my VPS, I created a user named web, that all of my sites > are ran under, so web and www-root communicate together. Do they have the same UID? > I created the user with useradd, and used the argument to create the > home directory, but bash history doesn't work at all. > > There was no .bash_history in ~/. I tried creating the file, used > chmod to add the proper permissions, but it still won't work for me... Honestly, you shouldn't have to create the file. I delete mine all the time (Because I haven't found the magic incantation to get it to not log lines where I have to type my password). Now, if you've got two different users (different UIDs) with the same $HOME, then you could be asking for trouble. I'd have to see the 'id' for each as well as the permissions for their $HOME dir as well as the .bash_history file they share. -KW From caleb at macjunk.net Sun Apr 12 13:37:52 2009 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:37:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121233y48f799edtf4b04cff2303d1d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <1239564197.10743.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2f932a4a0904121233y48f799edtf4b04cff2303d1d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: add export in front of them in the .bashrc file > export HISTFILE=/home/web/.bash_history > export HISTFILESIZE=1000 > export HISTSIZE=1000 On Apr 12, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Ok, add the lines > > HISTFILE=/home/web/.bash_history > HISTFILESIZE=1000 > HISTSIZE=1000 > > to ~/.bashrc. > > Logged off, logged back on. > > Still nothing. I ran set | grep -i hist > > again, and still nothing. > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Knight Walker > wrote: >> On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 11:17 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >>> Hey Guys, >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone knew how to get BASH history to work for >>> non >>> root users over SSH. >>> >>> I'm not sure if this is just specfic to SSH, because it seems that >>> in >>> the past, just local non root users had a shell history when I've >>> used >>> any distro. >>> >>> I have this slicehost slice running Ubuntu Server 8.04, so X isn't >>> installed at all, just straight shell. Using as a web server to >>> run my >>> business site that I am working on in Ruby on Rails. >>> >>> Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH >>> history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and >>> other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, >>> but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the >>> command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. >>> >>> I tried creating the .bashhistory file, but that did not seem to do >>> the trick. Does anyone know how to get around that? >>> >>> This has been racking my brain for a while now... :P >> >> Do you have any HIST* settings in your shell? You can check by >> running >> this command: >> >> set | grep -i hist >> >> You should see something like this: >> >> HISTFILE=/home/kwalker/.bash_history >> HISTFILESIZE=1000 >> HISTSIZE=1000 >> >> If you don't, try setting them in your ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc >> file, then logout and back in and see if it keeps a history for you. >> >> -KW >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From kd7nyq at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 14:21:07 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Sun Apr 12 14:21:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: X.org X Server 1.5.3 Config Message-ID: <79c119390904121321j514a7abbnccb01b46244107f4@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen: I just installed Gentoo on my main machine and it appears to work nicely, but, unfortunately, the new X Server that Gentoo just released as stable doesn't play well with traditional configurations. I had X Server 1.3 installed (merged) and I had just done a basic configuration when I unwittingly ran 'emerge -uavDN world'. Little did I know that the new server had been released shortly beforehand. Attached is the configuration file that was working, the new configuration file that is made by 'X -configure' (which also doesn't work), the X log, and my lspci printout. Right now I can use X without any configuration file whatsoever as X.org is boasting their new dependance on spontaneous hardware detection. The only drawback is that I can't use Xinerama, DMX, or anything but my PCI Express card on defaults. I have three video cards installed (up to six monitors), which you'll note in the lspci printout. I'm a little skiddish about doing a lot of trial-and-error as, so far, any time I try and use a xorg.conf, all of my console devices lock up (no display, no keyboard, etc). I was trying kill it with ssh, but it didn't help much. I could still use the computer, but the displays were useless afterwards on the main box. Despite the annoyance of having only one usable monitor, I will say that it is /very/ fast. :) Anyway, I'm asking that someone please give me an update on using the new X Server with a configuration file. I can get my work done, but I'm a little claustrophobic at the moment. Thanks! Andrew Roy Jackman. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xfiles.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 2999 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090412/b5206f27/xfiles.tar.bin From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Sun Apr 12 14:57:35 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Sun Apr 12 14:57:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: X.org X Server 1.5.3 Config In-Reply-To: <79c119390904121321j514a7abbnccb01b46244107f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390904121321j514a7abbnccb01b46244107f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239569855.22311.1310162647@webmail.messagingengine.com> > I just installed Gentoo on my main machine and it appears to work > nicely, but, unfortunately, the new X Server that Gentoo just released > as stable doesn't play well with traditional configurations. I recently did an emerge --sync and discovered for the first time that portage has some kind of built-in news/alert system. It told me that this was something I'd have to deal with soon, and pointed out an upgrade guide they've put together: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.5-upgrade-guide.xml Have you seen this? I haven't tried it yet, so don't have anything else to offer. Dave From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 14:59:45 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 12 14:59:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <1239565022.10743.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <4EF1E484-F385-49E0-A964-D8123C721C4B@macjunk.net> <2f932a4a0904121227m6220c385rfdad707a69a4ea8e@mail.gmail.com> <1239565022.10743.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904121359o3c398f57l3b684e41181d7ac9@mail.gmail.com> Ok, added export and no go. The only 2 accounts I have is root, and web. The output of id for web is: uid=1000(web) gid=1000(web) groups=1000(web). On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Knight Walker wrote: > On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 13:27 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> Yeah, .bash_history is right. I tried replying to my original e-mail >> with the correction, but I guess it never sent... >> >> Well so on my VPS, I created a user named web, that all of my sites >> are ran under, so web and www-root communicate together. > > Do they have the same UID? > >> I created the user with useradd, and used the argument to create the >> home directory, but bash history doesn't work at all. >> >> There was no .bash_history in ~/. I tried creating the file, used >> chmod to add the proper permissions, but it still won't work for me... > > Honestly, you shouldn't have to create the file. I delete mine all the > time (Because I haven't found the magic incantation to get it to not log > lines where I have to type my password). Now, if you've got two > different users (different UIDs) with the same $HOME, then you could be > asking for trouble. I'd have to see the 'id' for each as well as the > permissions for their $HOME dir as well as the .bash_history file they > share. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From pencilo.mmotl at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 15:05:41 2009 From: pencilo.mmotl at gmail.com (Chad Brubaker) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:05:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: X.org X Server 1.5.3 Config In-Reply-To: <79c119390904121321j514a7abbnccb01b46244107f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390904121321j514a7abbnccb01b46244107f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2eeb9dcc0904121405xe59476du8d85e52c09ac1c76@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Jackman wrote: > I'm a little skiddish about doing a lot of trial-and-error as, so far, > any time I try and use a xorg.conf, all of my console devices lock up > (no display, no keyboard, etc). ?I was trying kill it with ssh, but it > didn't help much. ?I could still use the computer, but the displays > were useless afterwards on the main box. > I had a problem like this when I updated to Xorg 1.6, I needed to re emerge all of the xf86-* drivers. If that doesn't work can you post /var/log/Xorg.0.log? Your xorg.conf.old looks like it would work fine in 1.5.3 From kwalker at kobran.org Sun Apr 12 15:06:38 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:06:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121359o3c398f57l3b684e41181d7ac9@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <4EF1E484-F385-49E0-A964-D8123C721C4B@macjunk.net> <2f932a4a0904121227m6220c385rfdad707a69a4ea8e@mail.gmail.com> <1239565022.10743.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2f932a4a0904121359o3c398f57l3b684e41181d7ac9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239570398.10743.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 14:59 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Ok, added export and no go. > > The only 2 accounts I have is root, and web. The output of id for web is: > > uid=1000(web) gid=1000(web) groups=1000(web). Okay. And what is the ownership/permissions of Web's home dir? (ls -ald ~web) -KW From byron at theclarkfamily.name Sun Apr 12 15:12:41 2009 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:12:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090412211241.GH4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 11:17:16AM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH > history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and > other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, > but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the > command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. >From this description and further comments, it almost looks like the user (web) isn't running bash. What does 'getent passwd | grep ^web' return? -- Byron Clark From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 15:12:51 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:12:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <1239570398.10743.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <4EF1E484-F385-49E0-A964-D8123C721C4B@macjunk.net> <2f932a4a0904121227m6220c385rfdad707a69a4ea8e@mail.gmail.com> <1239565022.10743.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2f932a4a0904121359o3c398f57l3b684e41181d7ac9@mail.gmail.com> <1239570398.10743.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904121412i37600b3l68c457cda10235cc@mail.gmail.com> It is: drwxr-xr-x 5 web web 4096 Apr 12 18:15 /home/web On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Knight Walker wrote: > On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 14:59 -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> Ok, added export and no go. >> >> The only 2 accounts I have is root, and web. The output of id for web is: >> >> uid=1000(web) gid=1000(web) groups=1000(web). > > Okay. And what is the ownership/permissions of Web's home dir? > (ls -ald ~web) > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 15:22:47 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:22:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <49E20ABD.3080604@xmission.com> References: <1239501414.14839.5.camel@jack-desktop> <2f932a4a0904111914t22b1e548t863b5713fa8e2b8@mail.gmail.com> <2785CCBD-62C5-4466-A265-4C6400BC35CE@macjunk.net> <1239504792.14839.9.camel@jack-desktop> <7C6E4265-BABA-4D7B-80A2-DB4F2C01BEDD@italy1.com> <1239511524.7249.2.camel@jack-desktop> <49E20ABD.3080604@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1239571367.12549.2.camel@jack-desktop> thank you, jack On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 09:37 -0600, Walt Haas wrote: > I can highly recommend this book: > > http://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Made-Easy-John-Muster/dp/007219314X > > If you take the time to work through the exercises, you will be a master > of the CLI. > > -- Walt > > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > here is what i did: > > > > > > $ sudo cp /home/jack/Desktop/xlog* /home/source/xlog-2.0.1.tar.gz > > > > > > and it worked! > > > > jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 15:35:22 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:35:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <20090412211241.GH4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <20090412211241.GH4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904121435w1a8d8aa7ned71d93ee9ace4de@mail.gmail.com> Here is the results web:x:1000:1000::/home/web:/bin/sh On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Byron Clark wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 11:17:16AM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> Anyway, the problem is, any non-root user does not have any BASH >> history. So say I typed in uname -a, so I could get the kernel, and >> other system info as a non-root user. It prints out what I'd expect, >> but then I hit the up arrow key. Well instead of it printing the >> command uname-a again, it has a ^[[A. > > >From this description and further comments, it almost looks like the > user (web) isn't running bash. ?What does 'getent passwd | grep ^web' > return? > > -- > Byron Clark > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From byron at theclarkfamily.name Sun Apr 12 15:41:26 2009 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:41:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904121435w1a8d8aa7ned71d93ee9ace4de@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <20090412211241.GH4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <2f932a4a0904121435w1a8d8aa7ned71d93ee9ace4de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090412214126.GI4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 03:35:22PM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: > Here is the results > > web:x:1000:1000::/home/web:/bin/sh There's the problem. On Ubuntu 8.04, /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/dash instead of /bin/bash. You'll want to change that user's shell to /bin/bash by running this command while logged in as web: chsh -s /bin/bash -- Byron Clark From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 15:49:28 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:49:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Non-root users and BASH shell history In-Reply-To: <20090412214126.GI4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> References: <2f932a4a0904121017x53a35bd5mc674987f3e9855d7@mail.gmail.com> <20090412211241.GH4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> <2f932a4a0904121435w1a8d8aa7ned71d93ee9ace4de@mail.gmail.com> <20090412214126.GI4460@thinktank.theclarkfamily.name> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904121449j1d36dbd0n331234492e83496d@mail.gmail.com> LOL wow, go figure! :P That is pretty retarded they did that, but that's good to know for future reference if I ever run into that again... :) Awesome, thanks for the help. Now I don't have to bang my head on the keyboard anymore :P On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Byron Clark wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 03:35:22PM -0600, Justin Brinkerhoff wrote: >> Here is the results >> >> web:x:1000:1000::/home/web:/bin/sh > > There's the problem. On Ubuntu 8.04, /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/dash > instead of /bin/bash. ?You'll want to change that user's shell to > /bin/bash by running this command while logged in as web: > > chsh -s /bin/bash > > -- > Byron Clark > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From remo at italy1.com Sun Apr 12 16:47:11 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Sun Apr 12 16:47:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <1239564804.10743.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: As far as I remember the -R was coping symbolic links as well and the -r did not >From the info cp If `--recursive' (`-R') is specified and a command line argument is a symbolic link to a directory, traverse it. This does not say -r :) Remo > From: Knight Walker > Organization: The Kobran Imperium > Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:33:24 -0600 > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory > > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 23:34 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: >> They are the same thing, -r and -R. From man 1 cp: >> >> - -R, -r, --recursive >> copy directories recursively >> >> Since they are the same, I prefer just -r since it's one less >> keystroke. However, anyone who feels inclined to spend that extra >> tenth of a second to push the shift key, you can do so. Just remember >> that if everyone did it that way, we might have several thousand >> cumulative seconds of shift-key-pushing wasted, and that also adds >> several thousand seconds of cumulative power consumption that could >> have been used more efficiently. You can also do --recursive if you >> want, but think of all the cumulative lost time and energy /that/ does... > > For cp they're the same. For other commands they are not, and for > consistency, it's easier for me to remember that -R is recursive rather > than -r is recursive in cp but -R is recursive in chown, chmod, chgrp, > chcon, ... > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49e24279270721692284535! > From bms at mscis.org Sun Apr 12 17:31:32 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Sun Apr 12 17:31:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E279D4.6020308@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Remo Mattei wrote: > As far as I remember the -R was coping symbolic links as well and > the -r did not >> From the info cp > > If `--recursive' (`-R') is specified and a command line argument is > a symbolic link to a directory, traverse it. This does not say -r > :) > > Remo I think you are looking at the version of cp that comes with FreeBSD, and possibly other BSD flavors. Most Linux distributions - all the ones I've played with - you must use -a to follow sym links, and -R is the same as -r. FreeBSD does not have a -a option. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkniedQACgkQx0pgn74qrcI0NgCgllLcsA8UbT4saylI1hfsTk55 qU4AmwRjBIVfhZpipuc5suTrkzA/rQ9k =cADo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From remo at italy1.com Sun Apr 12 19:06:49 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Sun Apr 12 19:06:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory In-Reply-To: <49E279D4.6020308@mscis.org> Message-ID: One reason I always use the -R is about symbolic link coping. And btw the info cp listed below comes from a centos 4.x box not from FreeBSD. Anyhow, I think we have talked enough about the cp. Happy Easter everyone. Remo > From: Brandon Stout > Reply-To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:31:32 -0600 > To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: how to cp from desktop to directory > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Remo Mattei wrote: >> As far as I remember the -R was coping symbolic links as well and >> the -r did not >>> From the info cp >> >> If `--recursive' (`-R') is specified and a command line argument is >> a symbolic link to a directory, traverse it. This does not say -r >> :) >> >> Remo > > I think you are looking at the version of cp that comes with FreeBSD, > and possibly other BSD flavors. Most Linux distributions - all the > ones I've played with - you must use -a to follow sym links, and -R is > the same as -r. FreeBSD does not have a -a option. > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkniedQACgkQx0pgn74qrcI0NgCgllLcsA8UbT4saylI1hfsTk55 > qU4AmwRjBIVfhZpipuc5suTrkzA/rQ9k > =cADo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49e27a9e106821527717022! > From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 00:14:10 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Apr 13 00:14:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: X.org X Server 1.5.3 Config In-Reply-To: <2eeb9dcc0904121405xe59476du8d85e52c09ac1c76@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390904121321j514a7abbnccb01b46244107f4@mail.gmail.com> <2eeb9dcc0904121405xe59476du8d85e52c09ac1c76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390904122314k16f2fbaeted9337edd8f77db2@mail.gmail.com> > I had a problem like this when I updated to Xorg 1.6, I needed to re > emerge all of the xf86-* drivers. If that doesn't work can you post > /var/log/Xorg.0.log? > After a bit more of testing, I am closer to a working product. Attached are the relevant files (all of them this time). I can't figure out why my left display (Card2) isn't turning on. I don't see any complaints in the log. I'm going to try setting it to the default display in the BIOS and see if that helps (it did once before many years ago, but I'm not sure why). If I'm missing something, let me know. Jackman. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xfiles.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 5199 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090413/3f6a9c1f/xfiles.tar.bin From kd7nyq at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 00:29:52 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Mon Apr 13 00:29:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: X.org X Server 1.5.3 Config In-Reply-To: <79c119390904122314k16f2fbaeted9337edd8f77db2@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390904121321j514a7abbnccb01b46244107f4@mail.gmail.com> <2eeb9dcc0904121405xe59476du8d85e52c09ac1c76@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390904122314k16f2fbaeted9337edd8f77db2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390904122329n563219bdpc992e7e3a4119dbe@mail.gmail.com> Now here this! lspci reports bus addresses in _hex_ while xorg.conf expects them in _decimal_. I just thought you ought to know. I now have three monitors up and running. Thank you for your help! Jackman. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 13 06:19:37 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 13 06:19:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: X.org X Server 1.5.3 Config In-Reply-To: <79c119390904122329n563219bdpc992e7e3a4119dbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <79c119390904121321j514a7abbnccb01b46244107f4@mail.gmail.com> <2eeb9dcc0904121405xe59476du8d85e52c09ac1c76@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390904122314k16f2fbaeted9337edd8f77db2@mail.gmail.com> <79c119390904122329n563219bdpc992e7e3a4119dbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239625177.26830.0.camel@jack-desktop> marvelous! i only have 2 monitors up and running! jack On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 00:29 -0600, Andrew Jackman wrote: > Now here this! lspci reports bus addresses in _hex_ while xorg.conf > expects them in _decimal_. I just thought you ought to know. I now > have three monitors up and running. Thank you for your help! > > Jackman. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From marc at sllug.org Mon Apr 13 11:18:09 2009 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Mon Apr 13 11:18:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting: Wed. April 15, 2009: Consumer NAS device Message-ID: <49E373D1.3020702@sllug.org> This month's Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting will about a consumer Network Attached Storage device. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage We'll look at a consumer NAS device and see what it's about, starting with taking a peek the the teeny-weeny pcb that attaches to the biggish sata drive, looking at the services it offers, and how it can be put to good use in the home. Time/Date: ---------- Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:10pm p.m. Place: ---------- Room 101 or 103 in Lower Warnock Engineering Building Directions/Parking: Directions - [http://www.map.utah.edu/index.jsp?find=62] Parking can be found just East of the WEB building and there is a big lot just North of the Merrill Engineering building (MEB). Parking is free after 6:00 (Based on the signs posted. Always check in case this changes.) Special thanks go to: - U of U for providing the meeting room. - Various Volunteers From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 13 18:29:34 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 13 18:29:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: GNOME-Commander Message-ID: <1239668974.4424.24.camel@jack-desktop> I want to thank all for the much appreciated help thus far in configuring Ubuntu 8.10! I am especially grateful for the GNOME-Commander suggestion. it is a super program for copying. there is so very much to learn about Linux!!! jack From remo at italy1.com Mon Apr 13 22:51:44 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Mon Apr 13 22:51:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mysql and postgresql Message-ID: Hello guys do you know if it's safe to run both on the same server? I have a production server and I just want to make sure it's good to go. I have not used postgresql since I like mysql but I was looking for a new package which does require postgresql. Thanks Remo From ecantwell at bluehost.com Mon Apr 13 23:08:30 2009 From: ecantwell at bluehost.com (Erick Cantwell) Date: Mon Apr 13 23:08:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Mysql and postgresql In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E41A4E.9070805@bluehost.com> Remo Mattei wrote: > Hello guys do you know if it's safe to run both on the same server? I have a > production server and I just want to make sure it's good to go. > > I have not used postgresql since I like mysql but I was looking for a new > package which does require postgresql. > > Thanks > Remo > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > Remo, You won't have any trouble running both of them on the same server (they both run on different ports and are completely separate services/daemons). It can be strenuous on a machine that doesn't have a lot of memory, but since you mentioned that it is a production server I don't see that as a problem. --Erick Cantwell From marc at mecworks.com Tue Apr 14 16:48:35 2009 From: marc at mecworks.com (Marc Christensen) Date: Tue Apr 14 16:48:46 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? Message-ID: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> Hey, I'm looking for a solution for a problem I have. Two or three times a year, my Qwest DSL modem locks up and needs to be power cycled. This is is usually no problem at all if I'm home. However, it's happened at the most inopportune times. It happened once when I was in Europe and I couldn't access my home machines and data for half my trip. I was surprised I lived through the whole experience, yes - it was that traumatic :) So, what I'd like to have is a USB device that can simply trigger a relay that the modem plugs into and preferably know what the state of the switch is. I could easily to something like this with X-10 and I have several devices except for the fact that my DSL modem is plugged into a UPS and X-10 signals do not travel through UPS devices or surge protectors. So, I was thinking of doing something with an Arduino or something like that which could be triggered by a network connectivity watchdog daemon. If it can't connect/ping an external site once every 5 or 10 minutes, it power cycles the modem. Any ideas? Is there something like this already out there? -- Marc Christensen http://blog.mecworks.com From brent at air2data.com Tue Apr 14 16:55:29 2009 From: brent at air2data.com (Brent Wilkinson) Date: Tue Apr 14 16:55:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? In-Reply-To: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> References: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <000b01c9bd54$1ca66820$55f33860$@com> I believe there is a timer you can use you get from home depot that you can set it to cut power and then restart it once a day. -----Original Message----- From: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org [mailto:sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Christensen Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:49 PM To: SLLUG Members Subject: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? Hey, I'm looking for a solution for a problem I have. Two or three times a year, my Qwest DSL modem locks up and needs to be power cycled. This is is usually no problem at all if I'm home. However, it's happened at the most inopportune times. It happened once when I was in Europe and I couldn't access my home machines and data for half my trip. I was surprised I lived through the whole experience, yes - it was that traumatic :) So, what I'd like to have is a USB device that can simply trigger a relay that the modem plugs into and preferably know what the state of the switch is. I could easily to something like this with X-10 and I have several devices except for the fact that my DSL modem is plugged into a UPS and X-10 signals do not travel through UPS devices or surge protectors. So, I was thinking of doing something with an Arduino or something like that which could be triggered by a network connectivity watchdog daemon. If it can't connect/ping an external site once every 5 or 10 minutes, it power cycles the modem. Any ideas? Is there something like this already out there? -- Marc Christensen http://blog.mecworks.com ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 17:12:00 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 14 17:12:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: save system settings Message-ID: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> is there an application or ? to save system settings in Ubuntu 8.10? i want to be able to recover after an installation or edit to the previously working settings. jack From sllug at fungusmovies.com Tue Apr 14 17:15:20 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Tue Apr 14 17:15:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? In-Reply-To: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> References: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <8bcade370904141615p17d4e8act6914e46278446871@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Marc Christensen wrote: > So, what I'd like to have is a USB device that can simply trigger a > relay that the modem plugs into and preferably know what the state of > the switch is. There are a lot of UPSs that have management interfaces. Some serial, USB, or even network. With these you can simply monitor your modem, and trigger a power reset in the event of failure. APC has some options with these capabilities at pretty good prices. --lonnie From charles at infoplatter.com Tue Apr 14 17:28:58 2009 From: charles at infoplatter.com (Charles Johnston) Date: Tue Apr 14 17:29:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? In-Reply-To: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> References: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <49E51C3A.4080105@infoplatter.com> Marc Christensen wrote: > So, what I'd like to have is a USB device that can simply trigger a > relay that the modem plugs into and preferably know what the state of > the switch is. I've done something similar with a parallel port data pin (I actually have code for that). Or you could do it with a couple of the serial port pins. Let me know if the parallel port solution works for you, I'll dig up the code. And the pins are just TTL voltage levels, so the circuit would be fairly straight-forward. Charles From dbanders at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 17:36:00 2009 From: dbanders at gmail.com (David Anderson) Date: Tue Apr 14 17:36:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: save system settings In-Reply-To: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> etckeeper is great to handle changes in etc. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > is there an application or ? to save system settings in Ubuntu 8.10? i > want to be able to recover after an installation or edit to the > previously working settings. > > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- David Anderson dbanders@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090414/1237c638/attachment.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 19:12:01 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 14 19:12:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: save system settings In-Reply-To: <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239757921.22270.3.camel@jack-desktop> thank you, i looked it up on the web. all the changes can be recorded. jack On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:36 -0600, David Anderson wrote: > etckeeper is great to handle changes in etc. > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: > is there an application or ? to save system settings in Ubuntu > 8.10? i > want to be able to recover after an installation or edit to > the > previously working settings. > > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, > links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net > channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > -- > David Anderson > dbanders@gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 20:35:28 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 14 20:35:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: cdrom2 Message-ID: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop> i have a cdrom2 icon on my Gnome desktop. no cd is in either drive? the contents are autorun.inf LaunchPad.zip and LaunchU3.exe which take 5.4 MB zero bytes free. i have no such animal except in a Windows file possibly. those files sound like something preloaded on a USB drive. the 4.1 GB USB drive also has LaunchU3.exe but no autorun or Launchpad.? can someone explain this please? jack From bms at mscis.org Tue Apr 14 21:07:22 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Tue Apr 14 21:07:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: cdrom2 In-Reply-To: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49E54F6A.3010500@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jack B. Friend wrote: > i have a cdrom2 icon on my Gnome desktop. no cd is in either drive? the > contents are autorun.inf LaunchPad.zip and LaunchU3.exe which take 5.4 > MB zero bytes free. i have no such animal except in a Windows file > possibly. those files sound like something preloaded on a USB drive. the > 4.1 GB USB drive also has LaunchU3.exe but no autorun or Launchpad.? > can someone explain this please? > jack You probably have a sandisk cruiser which comes preloaded with a partition that is recognized as a CD ROM drive. They do that so that the cruiser will auto run on any version of Windows. The only way I found to get rid of it was to load it in a Windows system and run the uninstall. I couldn't dd over it because it was actually recognized in /dev as an sr1, separately from the sd(x), and the sr1 can't be written to. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknlT2oACgkQx0pgn74qrcJP9ACggAPLOGk2DDnHlZaiQrY5JEGv 4WcAoKGSnujF6ZSlnKsxDv5H9OSlB1ll =eBTK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bms at mscis.org Tue Apr 14 21:17:23 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Tue Apr 14 21:17:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: save system settings In-Reply-To: <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E551C3.3040406@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Anderson wrote: > etckeeper is great to handle changes in etc. > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jack B. Friend > > wrote: > > is there an application or ? to save system settings in Ubuntu > 8.10? i want to be able to recover after an installation or edit to > the previously working settings. > > jack My personal favorite is: tar -cf /media/externaldevice/etc.tar /etc; bzip2 /media/externaldevice/etc.tar To restore it, you simply place etc.tar.bz2 in your root filesystem and run: tar -xf /etc.tar.bz2; rm /etc.tar.bz2 But remember that personal settings are all stored in your users home directory. You can do incremental backups of /etc if you wish, and put it in a crontab. No need for any utilities. It's really that simple. Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknlUcIACgkQx0pgn74qrcLOtwCfSAO7Tzscx0lLowY4bPfqp1Jt rg0An1u3L6Np6VXOHgG3AhG6Hwxk+tMd =gR9c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwalker at kobran.org Tue Apr 14 21:30:20 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Tue Apr 14 21:30:26 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: cdrom2 In-Reply-To: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1239766220.8623.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 20:35 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > i have a cdrom2 icon on my Gnome desktop. no cd is in either drive? the > contents are autorun.inf LaunchPad.zip and LaunchU3.exe which take 5.4 > MB zero bytes free. i have no such animal except in a Windows file > possibly. those files sound like something preloaded on a USB drive. the > 4.1 GB USB drive also has LaunchU3.exe but no autorun or Launchpad.? > can someone explain this please? > jack You have a "U3" USB device plugged in. These devices have a "virtual CD-ROM" that contains Windows software on them that gets auto-installed and auto-run when the drive is inserted. This software gives you extra options and abilities in Windows, such as encryption and some Portable Apps, I believe. None of these will do much on your Ubuntu box. -KW From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 21:47:35 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 14 21:47:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: cdrom2 In-Reply-To: <49E54F6A.3010500@mscis.org> References: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop> <49E54F6A.3010500@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239767255.24842.7.camel@jack-desktop> thank you, jack On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 21:07 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > i have a cdrom2 icon on my Gnome desktop. no cd is in either drive? the > > contents are autorun.inf LaunchPad.zip and LaunchU3.exe which take 5.4 > > MB zero bytes free. i have no such animal except in a Windows file > > possibly. those files sound like something preloaded on a USB drive. the > > 4.1 GB USB drive also has LaunchU3.exe but no autorun or Launchpad.? > > can someone explain this please? > > jack > > You probably have a sandisk cruiser which comes preloaded with a > partition that is recognized as a CD ROM drive. They do that so that > the cruiser will auto run on any version of Windows. The only way I > found to get rid of it was to load it in a Windows system and run the > uninstall. I couldn't dd over it because it was actually recognized > in /dev as an sr1, separately from the sd(x), and the sr1 can't be > written to. > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAknlT2oACgkQx0pgn74qrcJP9ACggAPLOGk2DDnHlZaiQrY5JEGv > 4WcAoKGSnujF6ZSlnKsxDv5H9OSlB1ll > =eBTK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 21:48:28 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 14 21:48:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: cdrom2 In-Reply-To: <1239766220.8623.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop> <1239766220.8623.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1239767308.24842.8.camel@jack-desktop> i agree, thanks, jack On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 21:30 -0600, Knight Walker wrote: > On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 20:35 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > i have a cdrom2 icon on my Gnome desktop. no cd is in either drive? the > > contents are autorun.inf LaunchPad.zip and LaunchU3.exe which take 5.4 > > MB zero bytes free. i have no such animal except in a Windows file > > possibly. those files sound like something preloaded on a USB drive. the > > 4.1 GB USB drive also has LaunchU3.exe but no autorun or Launchpad.? > > can someone explain this please? > > jack > > You have a "U3" USB device plugged in. These devices have a "virtual > CD-ROM" that contains Windows software on them that gets auto-installed > and auto-run when the drive is inserted. This software gives you extra > options and abilities in Windows, such as encryption and some Portable > Apps, I believe. None of these will do much on your Ubuntu box. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 22:31:51 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 14 22:31:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: save system settings In-Reply-To: <49E551C3.3040406@mscis.org> References: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> <49E551C3.3040406@mscis.org> Message-ID: <1239769911.24842.9.camel@jack-desktop> i'll give it a try thank you, jack On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 21:17 -0600, Brandon Stout wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > David Anderson wrote: > > etckeeper is great to handle changes in etc. > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jack B. Friend > > > wrote: > > > > is there an application or ? to save system settings in Ubuntu > > 8.10? i want to be able to recover after an installation or edit to > > the previously working settings. > > > > jack > > My personal favorite is: > > tar -cf /media/externaldevice/etc.tar /etc; bzip2 > /media/externaldevice/etc.tar > > To restore it, you simply place etc.tar.bz2 in your root filesystem > and run: > > tar -xf /etc.tar.bz2; rm /etc.tar.bz2 > > But remember that personal settings are all stored in your users home > directory. > > You can do incremental backups of /etc if you wish, and put it in a > crontab. No need for any utilities. It's really that simple. > > Brandon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAknlUcIACgkQx0pgn74qrcLOtwCfSAO7Tzscx0lLowY4bPfqp1Jt > rg0An1u3L6Np6VXOHgG3AhG6Hwxk+tMd > =gR9c > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 13:37:54 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Apr 15 13:38:27 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document Message-ID: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Greetings: I am either insane, stubborn, or stupid. Pick at least one. I have a need to convert several LaTeX documents into a Moft "Word" document. The problem is with the LaTeX thing. I use LaTeX for *everything* because the output looks good, and is consistent across platforms. I need a solution other than retyping the documents in a word processor like openoffice.org, kwrite, or abiword and saving as a Moft "Word" file. The untex and pdftotex utilities would still require a great deal of time reformatting the text in a word processor to format the thing correctly. So, does anyone know of any utility or procedure that would take a .tex, .dvi, .ps, or .pdf file and result in a Moft "word" file that would require nominal messing around with formatting? PS: How insanely evil would it be to imbed individual postscript pages as graphic images in the "word" document? Have a swell day. -- Kevin Benko Conversational Slumming: The self-conscious enjoyment of a given conversation precisely for its lack of intellectual rigor. A major spin-off of Recreational Slumming. -- Douglas Coupland, Generation X -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090415/93961f34/attachment.pgp From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 13:50:29 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed Apr 15 13:50:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: > > I am either insane, stubborn, or stupid. Pick at least one. > > I have a need to convert several LaTeX documents into a Moft "Word" > document. > The problem is with the LaTeX thing. I use LaTeX for *everything* because > the output looks good, and is consistent across platforms. > > I need a solution other than retyping the documents in ?a word processor > like openoffice.org, kwrite, or abiword and saving as a Moft "Word" file. > > The untex and pdftotex utilities would still require a great deal of time > reformatting the text in a word processor to format the thing correctly. > > So, does anyone know of any utility or procedure that would take > a .tex, .dvi, .ps, or .pdf file and result in a Moft "word" file that > would require nominal messing around with formatting? > > PS: How insanely evil would it be to imbed individual postscript pages as > graphic images in the "word" document? > > Have a swell day. > > -- > Kevin Benko I have not used it, might it be possible to take the LaTeX document and use the openoffice.org api to create a word doc? http://api.openoffice.org/ Cheers, Clint From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 13:54:51 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Apr 15 13:55:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904151355.06889.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Wednesday 15 April 2009 13:37:54 Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: [snip] blah blah blah... bunch of stuff [snip] > Have a swell day. Another thing I should mention that makes my problem even more insane is the fact that over 75% of these LaTeX documents are using styles that are non-standard, so maybe the direct conversion from a LaTeX file is going to be problematic. [is replying to your own email morally *unwholesome*?] -- Kevin Benko The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090415/d7533fa7/attachment.pgp From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 14:16:27 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Wed Apr 15 14:16:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > Greetings: > > I am either insane, stubborn, or stupid. Pick at least one. > > I have a need to convert several LaTeX documents into a Moft "Word" > document. > The problem is with the LaTeX thing. I use LaTeX for *everything* because > the output looks good, and is consistent across platforms. > > I need a solution other than retyping the documents in ?a word processor > like openoffice.org, kwrite, or abiword and saving as a Moft "Word" file. > > The untex and pdftotex utilities would still require a great deal of time > reformatting the text in a word processor to format the thing correctly. > > So, does anyone know of any utility or procedure that would take > a .tex, .dvi, .ps, or .pdf file and result in a Moft "word" file that > would require nominal messing around with formatting? > > PS: How insanely evil would it be to imbed individual postscript pages as > graphic images in the "word" document? > > Have a swell day. > > -- > Kevin Benko After a quick google search: I saw a suggestion somewhere to try KWord. They said that KWord can read .pdf and write .doc There are also commercial utilities that do this, Acrobat Pro included. There seem to be a few online utilities that do this. You could open it up in Adobe Reader, and copy-paste to Word. I've never tried to do this, and hopefully never will, but I hope that one of these ideas works for you. -- Jeff Shipley From matt at frozenatom.com Wed Apr 15 15:05:10 2009 From: matt at frozenatom.com (Matt Nelson) Date: Wed Apr 15 15:05:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? In-Reply-To: <49E51C3A.4080105@infoplatter.com> References: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> <49E51C3A.4080105@infoplatter.com> Message-ID: <148f6bb30904151405r16717d97i2ef00d468ad96f95@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Charles Johnston wrote: > Marc Christensen wrote: > > So, what I'd like to have is a USB device that can simply trigger a > > relay that the modem plugs into and preferably know what the state of > > the switch is. > > I've done something similar with a parallel port data pin (I actually have > code for that). Or you could do it with a couple of the serial port pins. > > Let me know if the parallel port solution works for you, I'll dig up the > code. And the pins are just TTL voltage levels, so the circuit would be > fairly straight-forward. > > > Charles > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > I started thinking about what a poor man's hack would be for this. One thing that would work: Everyone seams to always have an old Audio receiver lying around, and most have switched outlets on the back. You could set it up to put your modem on the switched outlet and use LIRC to send a signal to power it on/off... The only problem is if you did this you might burn up power by using an idle receiver. And if you used an existing receiver you would not be able to turn it off without it turning your modem off, haha. Anyways just some of my brainstorming dumps... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090415/878e320c/attachment.htm From richard at esplins.org Wed Apr 15 16:20:38 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Wed Apr 15 16:20:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904151620.38656.richard-lists@esplins.org> I needed to do this once, and used latex2rtf-doc (available in Debian, but I can't look up the home page right now). It did okay on my simple documents. Good luck, Richard On Wednesday 15 April 2009 13:37:54 Kevin Benko wrote: > I have a need to convert several LaTeX documents into a Moft "Word" > document. > The problem is with the LaTeX thing. I use LaTeX for *everything* because > the output looks good, and is consistent across platforms. > > I need a solution other than retyping the documents in a word processor > like openoffice.org, kwrite, or abiword and saving as a Moft "Word" file. > > The untex and pdftotex utilities would still require a great deal of time > reformatting the text in a word processor to format the thing correctly. > > So, does anyone know of any utility or procedure that would take > a .tex, .dvi, .ps, or .pdf file and result in a Moft "word" file that > would require nominal messing around with formatting? From sllug at fungusmovies.com Wed Apr 15 16:28:56 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Wed Apr 15 16:29:04 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: save system settings In-Reply-To: <49E551C3.3040406@mscis.org> References: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> <49E551C3.3040406@mscis.org> Message-ID: <8bcade370904151528o6d004a76x3dd0a929f01e200b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > My personal favorite is: > > tar -cf /media/externaldevice/etc.tar /etc; bzip2 > /media/externaldevice/etc.tar > > To restore it, you simply place etc.tar.bz2 in your root filesystem > and run: > > tar -xf /etc.tar.bz2; rm /etc.tar.bz2 The efficiency obsessive in me has to point out a faster and simpler method for accomplishing this same thing. tar -jcf /media/externaldevice/etc.tar.bz2 /etc and tar -jxf etc.tar.bz2 The -j option causes tar to pass everything to bzip2 for you. Produces the same output too. -z does the same, but using gzip. Also, another alternative, if you didn't know about the tar options, is to use a simple pipe. tar -cf - /etc | bzip2 > etc.tar.bz2 bzcat etc.tar.bz2 | tar -xf - Both methods, tar options or pipes, run faster, and are simpler commands. --lonnie From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 17:16:31 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Apr 15 17:16:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904151716.35883.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Wednesday 15 April 2009 13:50:29 Clint Savage wrote: [snip] > I have not used it, might it be possible to take the LaTeX document > and use the openoffice.org api to create a word doc? Well, it *sort* of imported the PDF file. But since an uncompressed PDF file is, essentially, a text file, I got some weird xml/texty document that gave me a headache to look at. -- Kevin Benko REALITY CHECK: A computer is NOT an appliance. It is a maintainable machine that needs attention from time to time. From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 17:27:51 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Apr 15 17:28:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904151727.54926.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Wednesday 15 April 2009 14:16:27 Jeff Shipley wrote: [snip] > After a quick google search: > I saw a suggestion somewhere to try KWord. They said that KWord can > read .pdf and write .doc I didn't notice this in my own google searches. What was your search string? I *just* tried this and my initial try turned out pretty well except for watermarks [[which I only use on drafts anyway, so it's a non-issue]] , and the bullets in itemized lists. I'll try this later with a non-watermarked PDF. Thank you for the suggestion. [snip] > You could open it up in Adobe Reader, and copy-paste to Word. [snip] This will give the same messed up output as pdftotext. -- Kevin Benko From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 15 17:30:13 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 15 17:30:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? In-Reply-To: <148f6bb30904151405r16717d97i2ef00d468ad96f95@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> <49E51C3A.4080105@infoplatter.com> <148f6bb30904151405r16717d97i2ef00d468ad96f95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E66E05.5050102@ridgecrestherbals.com> Matt Nelson wrote: > I started thinking about what a poor man's hack would be for this. One > thing that would work: I seem to recall having the same problem with a Qwest Cisco DSL router. Really annoying, but I found that although the modem was hung, the programming interface to it (over a serial port, the cable came with the modem) was not, and I could reset it with a script fed thru a serial tty session (using minicom, IIRC). Assuming you have an old-school serial port available, that might be simpler than remotely cycling power through extra hardware. I think that solved the problem for me, more or less (it was a couple of years back, at least) -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 17:31:22 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Apr 15 17:31:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904151620.38656.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904151620.38656.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <200904151731.26988.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Wednesday 15 April 2009 16:20:38 Richard Esplin wrote: > I needed to do this once, and used latex2rtf-doc (available in Debian, > but I can't look up the home page right now). [snip] I'll go aptitude install that presently. I really need to look through the Debian repositories in greater detail, as I haven't done a complete browsing of them since I installed Woody. I know they've grown quite a bit since then. Thank you for your suggestion. -- Kevin Benko From jfriend31 at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 18:01:07 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Wed Apr 15 18:01:07 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: save system settings In-Reply-To: <8bcade370904151528o6d004a76x3dd0a929f01e200b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> <49E551C3.3040406@mscis.org> <8bcade370904151528o6d004a76x3dd0a929f01e200b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239840067.24842.35.camel@jack-desktop> thank you jack On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 16:28 -0600, Lonnie Olson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: > > My personal favorite is: > > > > tar -cf /media/externaldevice/etc.tar /etc; bzip2 > > /media/externaldevice/etc.tar > > > > To restore it, you simply place etc.tar.bz2 in your root filesystem > > and run: > > > > tar -xf /etc.tar.bz2; rm /etc.tar.bz2 > > The efficiency obsessive in me has to point out a faster and simpler > method for accomplishing this same thing. > > tar -jcf /media/externaldevice/etc.tar.bz2 /etc > > and > > tar -jxf etc.tar.bz2 > > The -j option causes tar to pass everything to bzip2 for you. > Produces the same output too. -z does the same, but using gzip. > > Also, another alternative, if you didn't know about the tar options, > is to use a simple pipe. > > tar -cf - /etc | bzip2 > etc.tar.bz2 > > bzcat etc.tar.bz2 | tar -xf - > > Both methods, tar options or pipes, run faster, and are simpler commands. > > --lonnie > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 15 18:10:14 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 15 18:10:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904151731.26988.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904151620.38656.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904151731.26988.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E67766.7030403@ridgecrestherbals.com> Kevin Benko wrote: > I'll go aptitude install that presently. > I really need to look through the Debian repositories in greater detail, as > I haven't done a complete browsing of them since I installed Woody. I know > they've grown quite a bit since then. I've never browsed the repositories in detail. What is that, like 25,000 packages? Who has that kind of time? I just use really broad search patterns and see what turns up, like for example running: "apt-cache search latex doc | less" will turn up about 154 packages in my Ubuntu 9.04 laptop (not yet ready for prime time), including most of the ones mentioned in this thread. You can then run "apt-cache show for more detail on ones that look interesting. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I always found aptitude clunky and awkward, and always wanting to give me the wrong info, but perhaps I just never overcame the learning curve. Maybe you can do the same in aptitude. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From bms at mscis.org Wed Apr 15 18:43:48 2009 From: bms at mscis.org (Brandon Stout) Date: Wed Apr 15 18:43:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: save system settings In-Reply-To: <8bcade370904151528o6d004a76x3dd0a929f01e200b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239750720.22270.1.camel@jack-desktop> <1bf2fbde0904141636p2fc5673ai61fdc7cc8ac2d88c@mail.gmail.com> <49E551C3.3040406@mscis.org> <8bcade370904151528o6d004a76x3dd0a929f01e200b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E67F44.3080008@mscis.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lonnie Olson wrote: > The efficiency obsessive in me has to point out a faster and simpler > method for accomplishing this same thing. > > tar -jcf /media/externaldevice/etc.tar.bz2 /etc > > and > > tar -jxf etc.tar.bz2 > > The -j option causes tar to pass everything to bzip2 for you. > Produces the same output too. -z does the same, but using gzip. > > Also, another alternative, if you didn't know about the tar options, > is to use a simple pipe. > > tar -cf - /etc | bzip2 > etc.tar.bz2 > > bzcat etc.tar.bz2 | tar -xf - > > Both methods, tar options or pipes, run faster, and are simpler commands. > > --lonnie Very good points. I had thought of the -j option but didn't want to explain it. I guess it would only have taken a few extra words. I see it took you... 24 whole words. The piping is cool, I haven't tried that one. Now, because I'm a geek, I have to do that pipe method after I send this email just to see it work. I know. y'all are thinking 'But Brandon! You're not a geek! You're too cool!' riiight... Brandon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknmf0QACgkQx0pgn74qrcK1uwCeMsxJQVas9EeiDF/lATMsg/he BtoAmwTV3CvC8sti7uyKCXoMS/qsS3nY =1E1J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryan at vucci.com Wed Apr 15 18:52:05 2009 From: ryan at vucci.com (Ryan Bonnett) Date: Wed Apr 15 18:52:16 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Utah Virtualization Users Group - April 27th Football Event Message-ID: Hi SLLUG members, Get your free VIP PASS to the UVUG (Utah Virtualization Users Group) event on April 27th at the McKay Events Center. We had about 75 people at our last event, and this time we're expecting even more. Enjoy free footballs, prizes, free food, keynote on IT virtualization, and VIP tickets to the Utah Valley Thunder football game (professional indoor football). TO REGISTER, GO TO: www.vucci.com/uvug Date & Time: April 27th at 6 pm Where: McKay Events Center at UVU Event: Dinner, prizes, keynote on virtualization, and Thunder football game Registration: Fill out the form on vucci.com/uvug Should be a lot of fun. Thanks, Ryan P.S. For more information about the UVUG, go to http://www.vucci.com/uvug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090415/5617c407/attachment.htm From i_am_nitrogen at hotmail.com Wed Apr 15 19:06:56 2009 From: i_am_nitrogen at hotmail.com (Mike Bourgeous) Date: Wed Apr 15 19:07:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? In-Reply-To: <49E51C3A.4080105@infoplatter.com> References: <49E512C3.8020202@mecworks.com> <49E51C3A.4080105@infoplatter.com> Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:28:58 -0600 > From: charles@infoplatter.com > To: sllug-members@sllug.org > Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: A USB device that can power cycle a DSL modem? > > Marc Christensen wrote: > > So, what I'd like to have is a USB device that can simply trigger a > > relay that the modem plugs into and preferably know what the state of > > the switch is. > > I've done something similar with a parallel port data pin (I actually have > code for that). Or you could do it with a couple of the serial port pins. > > Let me know if the parallel port solution works for you, I'll dig up the > code. And the pins are just TTL voltage levels, so the circuit would be > fairly straight-forward. > > > Charles Here's a sample schematic for a parallel port device I used when I was in high school (you will need to add a diode across the relay coil in the opposite direction of the 12V flow to avoid burning out the transistor): http://palace-dci.sourceforge.net/images/switch-dia.png That web site also has source code for controlling the parallel port lines (though it's from six years ago, doesn't use the Linux parport interface, and requires root privileges). Mike Bourgeous _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090415/22ba95e3/attachment.html From richard at esplins.org Wed Apr 15 20:03:17 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Wed Apr 15 20:03:27 2009 Subject: Aptitude vs Apt, WAS Re: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <49E67766.7030403@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904151731.26988.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49E67766.7030403@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> aptitude is just like apt, but you don't have to deal with the separation between apt-cache and apt-get. I never use the ncurses interface to apt. The search string I used was: aptitude search latex | grep doc I don't know why people still use apt-cache/apt-get, except for habit. Richard On Wednesday 15 April 2009 18:10:14 Matt Warnock wrote: > Kevin Benko wrote: > I've never browsed the repositories in detail. What is that, like > 25,000 packages? Who has that kind of time? I just use really broad > search patterns and see what turns up, like for example running: > "apt-cache search latex doc | less" > will turn up about 154 packages in my Ubuntu 9.04 laptop (not yet ready > for prime time), including most of the ones mentioned in this thread. > You can then run "apt-cache show for more detail on ones that look > interesting. > > Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I always found aptitude clunky and awkward, > and always wanting to give me the wrong info, but perhaps I just never > overcame the learning curve. Maybe you can do the same in aptitude. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 15 20:42:01 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 15 20:42:11 2009 Subject: Aptitude vs Apt, WAS Re: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904151731.26988.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49E67766.7030403@ridgecrestherbals.com> <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <49E69AF9.3050300@ridgecrestherbals.com> Richard Esplin wrote: > aptitude is just like apt, but you don't have to deal with the separation > between apt-cache and apt-get. I never use the ncurses interface to apt. Wow, I never even knew that was an option-- I thought aptitude was interactive only. Yes, it is habit, and the separation of apt-cache and apt-get has always annoyed. Thanks for the tip. > The search string I used was: > aptitude search latex | grep doc IME, "apt-get search" turns up a LOT of keywords that DON'T appear in the description lines themselves, so that may explain why grepping on the second term didn't get the hits you wanted. Putting them in the search itself seems to work-- I had never actually read the man page on apt-get search (until just now), but I tried it and it did what I expected-- narrowed the search to packages that used BOTH words, not expanded it to hits on EITHER word. These kinds of searches are especially valuable for file types operated on (as here). Though the package descriptions may not mention all the file types the package can manipulate, they usually do seem to be in the keywords and come up OK in search. By ANDing two file types, you often find packages that can translate in some way. Tried the same approach with aptitude and noticed 1) it found 1554 hits (so failed to AND the results, providing the EITHER result, I'd guess) and 2) it took much longer (perhaps because it found more hits). > I don't know why people still use apt-cache/apt-get, except for habit. But maybe that's why. :) -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From richard at esplins.org Wed Apr 15 21:01:44 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Wed Apr 15 21:02:01 2009 Subject: Aptitude vs Apt, =?utf-8?q?=09WAS_Re=3A_=5Bsllug-members=5D=3A_Need_a_Utility_to_convert?= =?utf-8?q?_*to*_a_Moft?= "Word"=?utf-8?q?=09document?= In-Reply-To: <49E69AF9.3050300@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> <49E69AF9.3050300@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <200904152101.45057.richard-lists@esplins.org> Thanks for the info. It's been so long since I used apt, I hadn't noticed those differences in behavior. To search the full text of the package information use: aptitude search ~d There is probably a search pattern (~) that will do an AND instead of an OR, but instead of looking it up I have always just used grep on the full results. I don't have an easy solution for the performance hit though. Cheers, Richard On Wednesday 15 April 2009 20:42:01 Matt Warnock wrote: > Richard Esplin wrote: > > aptitude is just like apt, but you don't have to deal with the separation > > between apt-cache and apt-get. I never use the ncurses interface to apt. > > Wow, I never even knew that was an option-- I thought aptitude was > interactive only. Yes, it is habit, and the separation of apt-cache and > apt-get has always annoyed. Thanks for the tip. > > > The search string I used was: > > aptitude search latex | grep doc > > IME, "apt-get search" turns up a LOT of keywords that DON'T appear in > the description lines themselves, so that may explain why grepping on > the second term didn't get the hits you wanted. Putting them in the > search itself seems to work-- I had never actually read the man page on > apt-get search (until just now), but I tried it and it did what I > expected-- narrowed the search to packages that used BOTH words, not > expanded it to hits on EITHER word. > > These kinds of searches are especially valuable for file types operated > on (as here). Though the package descriptions may not mention all the > file types the package can manipulate, they usually do seem to be in the > keywords and come up OK in search. By ANDing two file types, you often > find packages that can translate in some way. > > Tried the same approach with aptitude and noticed 1) it found 1554 hits > (so failed to AND the results, providing the EITHER result, I'd guess) > and 2) it took much longer (perhaps because it found more hits). > > > I don't know why people still use apt-cache/apt-get, except for habit. > > But maybe that's why. :) From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 21:13:19 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Wed Apr 15 21:13:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Debian dpkg configuration file management Message-ID: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> I've been trying to find information on this for a while, and it's been pretty tricky. I know that dpkg / apt-get do configuration file monitoring, intended to help with upgrade management, as well as to save the configuration files after package removal for possible reinstallation. My questions are: - Are (almost) all likely-to-be-edited configuration files used throughout the system contained in this configuration file management? Or is it common for packages to choose not to make use of this service, or delegate it to their post/preinstallation scripts to handle? - Is there a way to get a list of managed configuration files for an installed package? The reason I'm asking is that for some time, I've had the idea of working on some debian/ubuntu software backup scripts that allow all of the software on a system to be "backed up" by creating a copy of all edited configuration files, your sources.list, and a list of installed packages so they can all be reinstalled as they were. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. -- Michael Heath -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090415/50ff9bfe/attachment.pgp From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 21:25:29 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Apr 15 21:25:44 2009 Subject: Aptitude vs Apt, WAS Re: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word"=?utf-8?q?=09document?= In-Reply-To: <49E69AF9.3050300@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> <49E69AF9.3050300@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <200904152125.31684.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Wednesday 15 April 2009 20:42:01 Matt Warnock wrote: > Richard Esplin wrote: > > aptitude is just like apt, but you don't have to deal with the > > separation between apt-cache and apt-get. I never use the ncurses > > interface to apt. [snip] Well... I am almost ashamed to admit that when it comes to browsing the repositories, I use synaptic. I'm sorry, I have sinned! The aptitude ncurses interface disrupts my calm. I think that the aptitude interactive interface was designed by some minor demon.... Satan didn't design it, because he was designing the GIMP's user interface. Of note is that aptitude cleans up after itself better than apt-get when it comes to removing dependencies upon uninstalling a package. The only problem with this is that using aptitude after having used apt-get for a long time will result in aptitude wanting to uninstall a *bunch* of your packages that were initially installed as dependencies of long-gone packages. In this case, command line options and the man page are your friends. -- Kevin Benko From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 22:54:21 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Wed Apr 15 22:54:24 2009 Subject: Aptitude vs Apt, WAS Re: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904152125.31684.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> <49E69AF9.3050300@ridgecrestherbals.com> <200904152125.31684.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Of note is that aptitude cleans up after itself better than apt-get when it > comes to removing dependencies upon uninstalling a package. The only > problem with this is that using aptitude after having used apt-get for a > long time will result in aptitude wanting to uninstall a *bunch* of your > packages that were initially installed as dependencies of long-gone > packages. ?In this case, command line options and the man page are your > friends. > > -- > Kevin Benko apt-get seems simpler to me. It generally just does what I want it to without asking me if a particular upgrade option is what I want. That said--aptitude was able to successfully complete an upgrade that required a few conflicting packages to be installed/removed that apt-get was unable to resolve. From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 22:56:53 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Wed Apr 15 22:56:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Need a Utility to convert *to* a Moft "Word" document In-Reply-To: <200904151727.54926.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904151727.54926.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: > I didn't notice this in my own google searches. > What was your search string? It was actually in a comment in one of the blog posts that was in my results. I don't remember the exact search term, but it was something like 'pdf to word'. From benko.kevin at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 09:11:42 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Thu Apr 16 09:11:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Aptitude vs Apt In-Reply-To: References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904152125.31684.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904160911.44021.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Wednesday 15 April 2009 22:54:21 Jeff Shipley wrote: [snip] > That said--aptitude was able to successfully complete an upgrade that > required a few conflicting packages to be installed/removed that > apt-get was unable to resolve. [snip] Aptitude really shines when downgrading packages or Debian branches. I fumble fingered in my /etc/apt/preferences file a few years ago, and my "testing" install of Debian became an "unstable" install. After *properly* correcting my /etc/apt/preferences file and running "aptitude full-upgrade", is sucessfully and smoothly downgraded to "testing". [[Imagine someone attempting to smoothly and successfully downgrade from Moft Vista to Moft XP from within Vista...]] -- Kevin Benko If you don't think carefully, you might think that programming is just typing statements in a programming language. -- Ward Cunningham From zspecialk at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 10:23:47 2009 From: zspecialk at gmail.com (Scott K) Date: Thu Apr 16 10:23:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [spam] AST career open house tonight Message-ID: <90cf3c3d0904160923x6c180ed8v59a9eaba383c93a6@mail.gmail.com> If I am wrong in posting this please feel free to castigate me and start a 2 week flame war. . . My employer is having an open house tonight for several open CS, system integration and FPGA design positions. Feel free to check us out. We do lots of work with embedded Linux, QT and other Linux friendly setups. Info and pre-registration here: http://www.appsig.com/openhouse_uto.htm (US citizenship required) Scott K. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Thu Apr 16 10:35:18 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Thu Apr 16 10:35:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Debian dpkg configuration file management In-Reply-To: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> References: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> Message-ID: <49E75E46.9020608@ridgecrestherbals.com> Michael Heath wrote: > I've been trying to find information on this for a while, and it's been > pretty tricky. > > I know that dpkg / apt-get do configuration file monitoring, intended to > help with upgrade management, as well as to save the configuration files > after package removal for possible reinstallation. > > My questions are: > - Are (almost) all likely-to-be-edited configuration files used > throughout the system contained in this configuration file management? > Or is it common for packages to choose not to make use of this service, > or delegate it to their post/preinstallation scripts to handle? > - Is there a way to get a list of managed configuration files for an > installed package? I don't know for sure, but I am pretty sure the packages don't commonly opt out, I don't know if they CAN opt out, and why would you? I've never HEARD of a package opting out, but I don't know. I believe the upgrade script just compares all files (text or binary) to see if they have been modified from the original, e.g. config file edited or binary recompiled from source. If it has, it gives you many options, all of which keep the original either in-place or in a renamed backup file, I think. > The reason I'm asking is that for some time, I've had the idea of > working on some debian/ubuntu software backup scripts that allow all of > the software on a system to be "backed up" by creating a copy of all > edited configuration files, your sources.list, and a list of installed > packages so they can all be reinstalled as they were. I've had the same idea. I think you can get there with "dpkg -l" for the package list, "tar -czf file.tgz /etc" for the config files The whole directory isn't that large, and /etc/apt/sources.list is included. However it doesn't solve a problem caused by an upgrade you don't want, or a system that hasn't been maintained in awhile and has obsolete packages. Not a perfect solution, but not a bad one for the kinds of things most sysadmins worry about (dead drives, corrupted files, business burns to ground, etc). However, dpkg -l lists ALL pacakges installed, including base system and all dependencies, which makes it non-transferable to an upgraded system (e.g. ubuntu 8.4 to 8.10). What I really want is a list of optional packages that I installed *by specific request*, and let the version changes/dependencies take care of themselves. If there is a better way to do it, I don't know it yet. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Thu Apr 16 10:37:31 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Thu Apr 16 10:37:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [spam] AST career open house tonight In-Reply-To: <90cf3c3d0904160923x6c180ed8v59a9eaba383c93a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <90cf3c3d0904160923x6c180ed8v59a9eaba383c93a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E75ECB.10705@ridgecrestherbals.com> Scott K wrote: > If I am wrong in posting this please feel free to castigate me and > start a 2 week flame war. . . I don't think you're wrong, but since when do we need a reason to start a 2 week flame war? :) -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From dave at thesmithfam.org Thu Apr 16 10:39:35 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Thu Apr 16 10:39:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Applied Signal Technology career open house Message-ID: <49E75F47.4030407@thesmithfam.org> Hi sllugers: My company (AST) is hosting a career open house tonight from 3:00pm to 7:00pm in our Salt Lake City office: http://www.appsig.com/openhouse_uto.htm I'll be here as well, so feel free to come by and get a little free food and ask any questions you may have. --Dave From dave at thesmithfam.org Thu Apr 16 10:43:51 2009 From: dave at thesmithfam.org (Dave Smith) Date: Thu Apr 16 10:43:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Applied Signal Technology career open house In-Reply-To: <49E75F47.4030407@thesmithfam.org> References: <49E75F47.4030407@thesmithfam.org> Message-ID: <49E76047.10509@thesmithfam.org> Dave Smith wrote: > My company (AST) is hosting a career open house tonight from 3:00pm to > 7:00pm in our Salt Lake City office: Woops, Scott K beat me to it! Sorry for the repeated info. --Dave From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 10:55:23 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Thu Apr 16 10:55:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Debian dpkg configuration file management In-Reply-To: <49E75E46.9020608@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> <49E75E46.9020608@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1239900923.7342.5.camel@mheath-laptop> On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 10:35 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > > I've had the same idea. I think you can get there with "dpkg -l" for > the package list, "tar -czf file.tgz /etc" for the config files The > whole directory isn't that large, and /etc/apt/sources.list is included. > However it doesn't solve a problem caused by an upgrade you don't want, > or a system that hasn't been maintained in awhile and has obsolete > packages. Not a perfect solution, but not a bad one for the kinds of > things most sysadmins worry about (dead drives, corrupted files, > business burns to ground, etc). > The main reason I was trying to avoid using the whole /etc directory is that there are a good number of auto-generated configuration files that need to be generated specifically on the target system - take your xorg.conf file. While on Ubuntu the average user never manually edits it, that file NEEDS to be configured on the target system to run correctly. Is there a problem with my logic? I just forsee bad problems directly copying the /etc dir from one system to another, even if the intent was to make the software configuration the same. Other than that, I agree that my statements about worrying about the configuration file management stuff are overkill. -- Michael Heath -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090416/1178de67/attachment.pgp From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 11:35:14 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 16 11:35:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Aptitude vs Apt In-Reply-To: <200904160911.44021.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904152125.31684.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904160911.44021.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239903314.6397.32.camel@jack-desktop> one CANNOT downgrade from Vista! i tried Vista on this machine when i first built it. it was a pain in the rear for a month. i had to wipe the drive and start over to install XP again! Vista will not allow a change of operating system even if one boots with the XP install disk until all vestiges of Vista are gone. jack On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 09:11 -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > On Wednesday 15 April 2009 22:54:21 Jeff Shipley wrote: > > [snip] > > That said--aptitude was able to successfully complete an upgrade that > > required a few conflicting packages to be installed/removed that > > apt-get was unable to resolve. > [snip] > > Aptitude really shines when downgrading packages or Debian branches. I > fumble fingered in my /etc/apt/preferences file a few years ago, and > my "testing" install of Debian became an "unstable" install. After > *properly* correcting my /etc/apt/preferences file and running "aptitude > full-upgrade", is sucessfully and smoothly downgraded to "testing". > > [[Imagine someone attempting to smoothly and successfully downgrade from > Moft Vista to Moft XP from within Vista...]] > From jshatch at azza.com Thu Apr 16 11:41:22 2009 From: jshatch at azza.com (Jarom Hatch) Date: Thu Apr 16 11:43:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Aptitude vs Apt In-Reply-To: <1239903314.6397.32.camel@jack-desktop> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904152125.31684.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904160911.44021.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <1239903314.6397.32.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49E76DC2.1030601@azza.com> Jack B. Friend wrote: > one CANNOT downgrade from Vista! Yes, from the context I believe that was exactly Kevin's point. :P -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While on Ubuntu the average user never manually edits > it, that file NEEDS to be configured on the target system to run > correctly. Agreed, but if you have just built and installed a new system, then the new files should be all configured and ready to go. You need to add the new software systems and configure them, without clobbering that stuff. > Is there a problem with my logic? I just forsee bad problems directly > copying the /etc dir from one system to another, even if the intent was > to make the software configuration the same. No, you are dead on. Unless you keep cold spares of identical hardware, I have never seen a true "bare metal" restore work off the shelf, since hardware changes so fast. As often as not, I can't get the exact same motherboard/CPU combo I bought just two to three months ago. I usually put the old backup /etc directory in /etc2 or /etc.old and copy files over to /etc as I need them, making sure the systems come up as I go. For example, IP addresses may have changed, new packages may deprecate old config syntax, you may not want to clobber hardware config files (like xorg.conf) or whatever. > Other than that, I agree that my statements about worrying about the > configuration file management stuff are overkill. In my experience, the biggest problem in configuring a replacement system is getting hardware that works and is configured properly, and then remembering what packages (and perl modules) you had installed that are required to make the system work properly. Does any one know: 1) Is there a variant of "dpkg -l" that lists only stuff I specifically requested (not base system or dependencies)? 2) Is there an equivalent of "dpkg -l" for perl modules? (Oh and of course you have to back up the data as well) :) -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From unum at unum5.org Thu Apr 16 12:30:08 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Thu Apr 16 12:30:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Aptitude vs Apt vs dselect In-Reply-To: <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904151731.26988.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49E67766.7030403@ridgecrestherbals.com> <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <49E77930.7060209@unum5.org> dselect ftw Kyle From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 12:44:14 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Thu Apr 16 12:44:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Aptitude vs Apt vs dselect In-Reply-To: <49E77930.7060209@unum5.org> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904151731.26988.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49E67766.7030403@ridgecrestherbals.com> <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> <49E77930.7060209@unum5.org> Message-ID: > dselect ftw Kyle, I think you forgot your tags From shaun.kruger at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 13:00:34 2009 From: shaun.kruger at gmail.com (Shaun Kruger) Date: Thu Apr 16 13:00:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Re: Aptitude vs Apt vs dselect In-Reply-To: <49E77930.7060209@unum5.org> References: <200904151338.10963.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904151731.26988.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49E67766.7030403@ridgecrestherbals.com> <200904152003.17212.richard-lists@esplins.org> <49E77930.7060209@unum5.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Kyle Waters wrote: > dselect ftw When I hear dselect, my first thought is "Old school". That being said, I recently found my "Debian frozen hamm" CD. I made extensive use of dselect back in the day. Oh it was painful at times... Shaun From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 13:56:36 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Thu Apr 16 13:56:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Debian dpkg configuration file management In-Reply-To: <49E77169.1060801@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> <49E75E46.9020608@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1239900923.7342.5.camel@mheath-laptop> <49E77169.1060801@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <1239911796.7342.20.camel@mheath-laptop> On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 11:56 -0600, Matt Warnock wrote: > I usually put the old backup /etc directory in /etc2 or /etc.old and > copy files over to /etc as I need them, making sure the systems come up > as I go. For example, IP addresses may have changed, new packages may > deprecate old config syntax, you may not want to clobber hardware config > files (like xorg.conf) or whatever. I don't think I went into enough detail about my backup script idea; your method kind of negates the purpose of what I'd been hoping to achieve. I saw my idea as more of a Linux equivelent to Windows System Restore, where the system could be quickly and easily be restored to a previous point when things were working well. I'm well aware of the benefits of regularly backing up the /etc directory, but this doesn't facilitate any kind of automatic restoration as we've discussed. What I had been hoping to do, if I could find some better documentation about configuration file management in Debian/Ubuntu, is right a daemon that uses the kernel's file modification monitoring abilities to keep track of a sort of changelog of configuration file edits, as well as what packages you're installing on the system. > > Other than that, I agree that my statements about worrying about the > > configuration file management stuff are overkill. > > In my experience, the biggest problem in configuring a replacement > system is getting hardware that works and is configured properly, and > then remembering what packages (and perl modules) you had installed that > are required to make the system work properly. > > Does any one know: > 1) Is there a variant of "dpkg -l" that lists only stuff I specifically > requested (not base system or dependencies)? There used to be a way to do this in Ubuntu; I never experimented with it on the command line, but in Synaptic, base stuff would have a column where a Ubuntu logo would be displayed. I remember this, because sometimes I would sort the list of installed packages by this column so I could see what extra junk I'd added to the system, and clean it up. > 2) Is there an equivalent of "dpkg -l" for perl modules? I did a search on cpan and couldn't find anything related to the more complicated dpkg functionality. I can't imagine it would be that hard to simply run dpkg -l and parse the output, though. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I agree Kill the top posters!!! - -- Trevor Sharpe E-Mail: tsharpe@xmission.com Jabber: tsharpe@gmail.com - ---------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ---H. L. Mencken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknnnTMACgkQRDaxm/9432JaXACgoTi3ZKg3xTdQLBEZTtDBB7/Q AYoAn3ZG2thyKNsRr+MeJo2KaDaD3iuy =5w9g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From richard at esplins.org Thu Apr 16 21:40:38 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Thu Apr 16 21:40:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Debian dpkg configuration file management In-Reply-To: <49E77169.1060801@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> <1239900923.7342.5.camel@mheath-laptop> <49E77169.1060801@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <200904162140.38210.richard-lists@esplins.org> I have never looked in to getting this information from dpkg because it is easy to do with aptitude. When I want a list of packages that I explicitly installed (i and not "i A"), I just do this: aptitude search .* | grep ^i | grep -v "^i A" It isn't pretty, but it works. You can also look for packages that were not completely removed (c). I noticed that I have a lot of packages not marked Automatic that I didn't explicitly install. I think that they lost their A marker when I upgraded, but I'm not sure. I don't know of anything similar for CPAN modules. Good luck, Richard On Thursday 16 April 2009 11:56:57 Matt Warnock wrote: > Does any one know: > 1) Is there a variant of "dpkg -l" that lists only stuff I specifically > requested (not base system or dependencies)? > 2) Is there an equivalent of "dpkg -l" for perl modules? From richard at esplins.org Thu Apr 16 21:47:24 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Thu Apr 16 21:47:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Debian dpkg configuration file management In-Reply-To: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> References: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> Message-ID: <200904162147.24353.richard-lists@esplins.org> Responses are inline. On Wednesday 15 April 2009 21:13:19 Michael Heath wrote: > I've been trying to find information on this for a while, and it's been > pretty tricky. > > I know that dpkg / apt-get do configuration file monitoring, intended to > help with upgrade management, as well as to save the configuration files > after package removal for possible reinstallation. > > My questions are: > - Are (almost) all likely-to-be-edited configuration files used > throughout the system contained in this configuration file management? > Or is it common for packages to choose not to make use of this service, > or delegate it to their post/preinstallation scripts to handle? Not all configuration files are marked as conffiles. If they are not, then it is considered a bug and is usually reported. That doesn't mean that unmarked conffiles are not a regular occurrence. > - Is there a way to get a list of managed configuration files for an > installed package? Managed configuration files for a package are listed with this command: dpkg --status package Described here: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-conffile That entire document on the basics of Debian package management is excellent. Good luck, Richard Esplin From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 08:24:17 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Fri Apr 17 08:24:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Debian dpkg configuration file management In-Reply-To: <200904162147.24353.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> <200904162147.24353.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <1239978257.7342.22.camel@mheath-laptop> On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 21:47 -0600, Richard Esplin wrote: > Managed configuration files for a package are listed with this command: > dpkg --status package > > Described here: > http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-conffile > > That entire document on the basics of Debian package management is excellent. Thanks! I've been looking at that document (and have used it many times previously) but somehow completely missed that section. That was exactly what I was looking for. -- Michael Heath -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090417/8b529d4f/attachment.pgp From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 21:05:30 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Fri Apr 17 21:05:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Debian dpkg configuration file management In-Reply-To: <1239900923.7342.5.camel@mheath-laptop> References: <1239851599.3905.15.camel@mheath-laptop> <49E75E46.9020608@ridgecrestherbals.com> <1239900923.7342.5.camel@mheath-laptop> Message-ID: <49E9437A.4010703@gmail.com> Michael Heath wrote: > take your > xorg.conf file. While on Ubuntu the average user never manually edits > it, that file NEEDS to be configured on the target system to run > correctly. Nope. X11 is smart enough to figure out your hardware and drivers without an xorg.conf in many situations. There are times where the xorg.conf will help X11 out with the hardware, but I have found on my personal computers that I don't need it, and my video and input is all handled as expected. -- _ Aaron Toponce ( ) ASCII Ribbon Campaign www.aarontoponce.org X www.asciiribbon.org / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 552 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090417/78b67742/signature.pgp From kd7nyq at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 14:52:26 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Sat Apr 18 14:52:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: X.org X Server 1.5.3: Chromium Message-ID: <79c119390904181352p5810cbeau7dda5a209a59f7c4@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any experience setting up or using Chromium and/or DMX? All of the documentation seems to point to acheiving something that I can't seem to accomplish. http://chromium.sourceforge.net/doc/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(computer_graphics) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xdmx http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ When I run the test scenario (http://chromium.sourceforge.net/doc/chromium2.html#CompilingCr), I am not getting any extra windows and when I specify alternative rendering methods (hiddenline, print, etc), nothing happens. It simply appears as though the program is getting rendered without going through Chromium at all. There aren't even any error messages. If you've been following my posts at all, you'll have some idea of my configuration. As of present, I have a three head set up on the same box without Xinerama enabled (fluxbox has fits). Attached are my xorg.conf, lspci, and if you want anything else, just send me a message to that effect. BTW, I'm posting here because I've gone over the documentation about six times and the chromium-users list activity is <= null. If you have any suggestions on where to go for help if you don't want to, please advise. Thank you! Andrew Jackman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cfiles.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 1584 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090418/70fbd062/cfiles.tar.bin From stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 08:31:38 2009 From: stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com (Steve Hildebrand) Date: Mon Apr 20 08:31:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: dpkg and SATA follow-up In-Reply-To: <200904181800.n3II03uP018623@sllug.org> References: <200904181800.n3II03uP018623@sllug.org> Message-ID: <96308.40375.qm@web90403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can't recommend dpkg enough. The --force architecture switch is the only way I could get Adobe Reader 9 set up on my amd64 Ubuntu 8.10 Follow up: Hm, I think I just installed some of those myself, one in a new Windows XP machines at work, the other in a Debian server, and haven't tested the write function on either. I'll have to do that now. But they both booted OK under either Windows or Debian CDs. Haven't tried a DVD boot, never use them, though I want to try a recent Knoppix DVD. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. Did you ever get a chance to see how those burn discs? I can't seem to turn up any info on Linux drivers from LG, if they are even necessary. I woiuld assume more or less standard drivers should work, it doesn't do anything particularly fancy, aside from the DVD RAM stuff, for which I don't have any real need. ________________________________ From: "sllug-members-request@sllug.org" To: sllug-members@sllug.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:00:03 PM Subject: sllug-members Digest, Vol 56, Issue 55 Send sllug-members mailing list submissions to sllug-members@sllug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sllug-members-request@sllug.org You can reach the person managing the list at sllug-members-owner@sllug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of sllug-members digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Debian dpkg configuration file management (Aaron Toponce) -----Inline Message Follows----- Michael Heath wrote: > take your > xorg.conf file. While on Ubuntu the average user never manually edits > it, that file NEEDS to be configured on the target system to run > correctly. Nope. X11 is smart enough to figure out your hardware and drivers without an xorg.conf in many situations. There are times where the xorg.conf will help X11 out with the hardware, but I have found on my personal computers that I don't need it, and my video and input is all handled as expected. -- _ Aaron Toponce ( ) ASCII Ribbon Campaign www.aarontoponce.org X www.asciiribbon.org / \ ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It causes bash to not log commandlines which begin with a space. Then, it's just a matter of getting into the habit of hitting the spacebar before entering sensitive commands. -- Erik Falor Registered Linux User #445632 http://counter.li.org From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 17:46:42 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 20 17:46:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: boot from floppy Message-ID: <1240271202.15623.39.camel@jack-desktop> please tell me how to install Ubuntu 8.04 from a cd when the computer won't boot from that cd. i made a Ubuntu 8.10 GRUB floppy boot disk which offers several options of both Ubuntu 8.04 showing the location on the cd and Ubuntu 8.10 ...which is not available, and windows xp. choosing one of the 8.04 options gives no media. from GRUB> mount /dev/cdrom shows no media. changing the boot order in BIOS on the machine makes absolutely no difference, BIOS looks for a floppy, then a cd, but the cd search makes absolutely no difference. if the floppy boot disk is present GRUB boot loader is started. no floppy and the search looks at but will not boot from cd, then its on to windows xp. From bob.l.lewis at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 18:07:53 2009 From: bob.l.lewis at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Mon Apr 20 18:08:06 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: boot from floppy In-Reply-To: <1240271202.15623.39.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1240271202.15623.39.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <86d2b63e0904201707q1068be9fledfcb40dc2cbb554@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jack B. Friend wrote: > please tell me how to install Ubuntu 8.04 from a cd when the computer > won't boot from that cd. i made a Ubuntu 8.10 GRUB floppy boot disk > which offers several options of both Ubuntu 8.04 showing the location on > the cd and Ubuntu 8.10 ...which is not available, and windows xp. > choosing one of the 8.04 options gives no media. > from GRUB> mount /dev/cdrom shows no media. > changing the boot order in BIOS on the machine makes absolutely no > difference, BIOS looks for a floppy, then a cd, but the cd search makes > absolutely no difference. if the floppy boot disk is present GRUB boot > loader is started. no floppy and the search looks at but will not boot > from cd, then its on to windows xp. > > Take the CD to another machine that you are 100% positive will boot an ISO image and see if it works there. Or, try some other CD that is ISO based, i.e. XP, Vista or whatever and see if it will boot on the machine your having troubles with. If you can get the Ubuntu CD to boot do a disk verify from the menu that appears Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090420/1af70b63/attachment.htm From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 19:24:42 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 20 19:24:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: boot from floppy In-Reply-To: <86d2b63e0904201707q1068be9fledfcb40dc2cbb554@mail.gmail.com> References: <1240271202.15623.39.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0904201707q1068be9fledfcb40dc2cbb554@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1240277083.17532.0.camel@jack-desktop> i know the disk will boot and install. Ubuntu 8.04 was installed on this machine and is now U 8.10 working beautifully. jack On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 17:07 -0700, Robert Lewis wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jack B. Friend > wrote: > please tell me how to install Ubuntu 8.04 from a cd when the > computer > won't boot from that cd. i made a Ubuntu 8.10 GRUB floppy boot > disk > which offers several options of both Ubuntu 8.04 showing the > location on > the cd and Ubuntu 8.10 ...which is not available, and windows > xp. > choosing one of the 8.04 options gives no media. > from GRUB> mount /dev/cdrom shows no media. > changing the boot order in BIOS on the machine makes > absolutely no > difference, BIOS looks for a floppy, then a cd, but the cd > search makes > absolutely no difference. if the floppy boot disk is present > GRUB boot > loader is started. no floppy and the search looks at but will > not boot > from cd, then its on to windows xp. > > > > Take the CD to another machine that you are 100% positive > will boot an ISO image and see if it works there. Or, try some other > CD that is ISO based, i.e. XP, Vista or whatever and see if it > will boot on the machine your having troubles with. > > If you can get the Ubuntu CD to boot do a disk verify from the > menu that appears > > Bob > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 21:30:10 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Mon Apr 20 21:30:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: boot from floppy In-Reply-To: <1240277083.17532.0.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1240271202.15623.39.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0904201707q1068be9fledfcb40dc2cbb554@mail.gmail.com> <1240277083.17532.0.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: >> ? ? ? ? please tell me how to install Ubuntu 8.04 from a cd when the >> ? ? ? ? computer >> ? ? ? ? won't boot from that cd. If you can't boot from CD, then try booting from a USB drive. If that doesn't work, you could try a debootstrap install: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/linux-upgrade.html From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 22:10:20 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 20 22:10:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: boot from floppy In-Reply-To: References: <1240271202.15623.39.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0904201707q1068be9fledfcb40dc2cbb554@mail.gmail.com> <1240277083.17532.0.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1240287020.20724.0.camel@jack-desktop> ok jack On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 21:30 -0600, Jeff Shipley wrote: > >> please tell me how to install Ubuntu 8.04 from a cd when the > >> computer > >> won't boot from that cd. > > If you can't boot from CD, then try booting from a USB drive. > > If that doesn't work, you could try a debootstrap install: > https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/linux-upgrade.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From remo at italy1.com Tue Apr 21 08:11:54 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Tue Apr 21 08:12:08 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: boot from floppy In-Reply-To: References: <1240271202.15623.39.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0904201707q1068be9fledfcb40dc2cbb554@mail.gmail.com> <1240277083.17532.0.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <8B8346D5-CD18-480F-8428-4CD926CE5A5B@italy1.com> I had a similar situation where I had to burn the image at a very low speed since the cd did not like the burn cd at 24x Just my 2 euro cents Ciao Inviato da iPhone Il giorno Apr 20, 2009, alle ore 21:30, Jeff Shipley ha scritto: >>> please tell me how to install Ubuntu 8.04 from a cd when the >>> computer >>> won't boot from that cd. > > If you can't boot from CD, then try booting from a USB drive. > > If that doesn't work, you could try a debootstrap install: > https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/linux- > upgrade.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49ed3eaa159404733071011! > From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 21 08:14:30 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 21 08:14:40 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: boot from floppy In-Reply-To: <8B8346D5-CD18-480F-8428-4CD926CE5A5B@italy1.com> References: <1240271202.15623.39.camel@jack-desktop> <86d2b63e0904201707q1068be9fledfcb40dc2cbb554@mail.gmail.com> <1240277083.17532.0.camel@jack-desktop> <8B8346D5-CD18-480F-8428-4CD926CE5A5B@italy1.com> Message-ID: <1240323270.7101.0.camel@jack-desktop> thankyou, jack On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 08:11 -0600, Remo Mattei wrote: > I had a similar situation where I had to burn the image at a very low > speed since the cd did not like the burn cd at 24x > > Just my 2 euro cents > > Ciao > > Inviato da iPhone > > Il giorno Apr 20, 2009, alle ore 21:30, Jeff Shipley > ha scritto: > > >>> please tell me how to install Ubuntu 8.04 from a cd when the > >>> computer > >>> won't boot from that cd. > > > > If you can't boot from CD, then try booting from a USB drive. > > > > If that doesn't work, you could try a debootstrap install: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/linux- > > upgrade.html > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > !DSPAM:49ed3eaa159404733071011! > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 02:02:25 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Wed Apr 22 02:02:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: [spam] AST career open house tonight In-Reply-To: <49E75ECB.10705@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <90cf3c3d0904160923x6c180ed8v59a9eaba383c93a6@mail.gmail.com> <49E75ECB.10705@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: yeah, i like flame wars. On 4/16/09, Matt Warnock wrote: > Scott K wrote: >> If I am wrong in posting this please feel free to castigate me and >> start a 2 week flame war. . . > > I don't think you're wrong, but since when do we need a reason to start > a 2 week flame war? :) > -- > Matt Warnock, President > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From millard at iomega.com Wed Apr 22 11:53:35 2009 From: millard at iomega.com (Dennis Millard) Date: Wed Apr 22 12:26:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Consultant needed Message-ID: <49EF599F.7080307@iomega.com> I'm looking for a consultant to hire for a short-term job. I need someone with excellent PHP skills who can make modifications to this open-source app: http://cker.name/webadmin/ We need someone to start ASAP, and I'm guessing the work should take roughly 3 days. If you are interested, email your resume to me: millard_dennis@emc.com -Dennis Millard From richard at esplins.org Wed Apr 22 12:47:43 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Wed Apr 22 12:47:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Consultant needed In-Reply-To: <49EF599F.7080307@iomega.com> References: <49EF599F.7080307@iomega.com> Message-ID: <200904221247.43996.richard-lists@esplins.org> My PHP skills are currently rusty, but if you don't get other volunteers please contact me and I'll help you out. You can get my resume here: http://richard.esplins.org/resume Richard On Wednesday 22 April 2009 11:53:35 Dennis Millard wrote: > I'm looking for a consultant to hire for a short-term job. I need > someone with excellent PHP skills who can make modifications to this > open-source app: http://cker.name/webadmin/ > We need someone to start ASAP, and I'm guessing the work should take > roughly 3 days. If you are interested, email your resume to me: > millard_dennis@emc.com > > -Dennis Millard From richard at esplins.org Wed Apr 22 13:15:35 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Wed Apr 22 13:15:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Consultant needed In-Reply-To: <200904221247.43996.richard-lists@esplins.org> References: <49EF599F.7080307@iomega.com> <200904221247.43996.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <200904221315.35345.richard-lists@esplins.org> Ah! I can't believe I did that! Evil list reply-to munging . . . every couple of years it gets me . . . grumble. Sorry everyone. Though anyone who wants to browse my resume and send me leads for interesting gigs should feel free. BTW, sllug.org looks down. Richard On Wednesday 22 April 2009 12:47:43 Richard Esplin wrote: > My PHP skills are currently rusty, but if you don't get other volunteers > please contact me and I'll help you out. > > You can get my resume here: > http://richard.esplins.org/resume > > Richard > > On Wednesday 22 April 2009 11:53:35 Dennis Millard wrote: > > I'm looking for a consultant to hire for a short-term job. I need > > someone with excellent PHP skills who can make modifications to this > > open-source app: http://cker.name/webadmin/ > > We need someone to start ASAP, and I'm guessing the work should take > > roughly 3 days. If you are interested, email your resume to me: > > millard_dennis@emc.com > > > > -Dennis Millard > > From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 14:08:34 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Apr 22 14:09:32 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: New-ish Laptop Solution To Booting Live CD... Why Did This Work? Message-ID: <200904221409.10633.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Background: The Wife has a new-ish Laptop with the Vista Virus on it, she'll be installing Debian+GNU+Linux on the thing as soon as she gets a breather from her own personal Grad-School-Hell. When attempting to do a hardware check, a total of 8 (eight) Live GNU+Linux CDs and DVDs failed to boot on the thing. Those that threw an error message had reported that the kernel was unable to uncompress or some such thing like that. Now, all these 8 (eight) live GNU+Linux CDs and DVDs *will* boot successfully on our other computers, one of which is *newer* than the unholy laptop. And the CD/DVD drive on the evil laptop works just fine with anything *but* these 8 (eight) live GNU+Linux disks. Now, I solved the problem by taking one of the CDs and making a bootable USB image with the thing. It works fine. By My Grandmother's Sweet Spatula! Why did the USB thing work!?!?!? The problem is very likely SATA-related, but I am willing to consider gremlins, evil spirits, or solar flares as being probable causes. -- Kevin Benko -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090422/846a7552/attachment.pgp From namonai at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 14:35:08 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Wed Apr 22 14:35:18 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: New-ish Laptop Solution To Booting Live CD... Why Did This Work? In-Reply-To: <200904221409.10633.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904221409.10633.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <847993120904221335j415e0554td570a90de67e8596@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > When attempting to do a hardware check, a total of 8 (eight) Live GNU+Linux > CDs and DVDs failed to boot on the thing. Those that threw an error > message had reported that the kernel was unable to uncompress or some such > thing like that. Have you tried booting with ACPI disbled (acpi=off on the boot line)? -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From chad at planetmayfield.com Wed Apr 22 15:29:25 2009 From: chad at planetmayfield.com (Chad R Mayfield) Date: Wed Apr 22 15:29:34 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Trying to get rid of a Dell PowerEdge 2650, anyone interested? Message-ID: Hello all, I apologize if this is off topic but I am looking to get rid of some hardware, my basement is too full and I am trying to minimize the hardware I have and move to a more virtualized environement. My first piece hardware that is taking up the most room is a Dell PowerEdge 2650 Server. Here are the details I can remember; - Dell PowerEdge 2650 2U Rackmount - Two 2.8GHz Intel Xeon Processors with 533MHz FSB and HyperThreading - 2GB of DDR Registered ECC SDRAM - Five (5) 36GB 10K U320 Drives, currently built as RAID 5 - Hardware RAID Card... Sorry forgot the exact card specs. - OS: Ubuntu 8.04 Server - It has the faceplate, all the sleds, and both power cords. This server is in great condition, it is working, and has served me well. If you would like it please email me an offer off list. I am not looking to uload it for much (Perhaps $100?). Mostly I just want to know that it will be going to a good home. I live in the south end of the SLC Valley so I am able to bring it to your home or have you pick it up from mine. -- Chad R Mayfield chad@planetmayfield.com GPG Key: 0C9A026F http://www.planetmayfield.com/ http://www.chadmayfield.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/chadmayfield -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090422/d35572f4/attachment.html From benko.kevin at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 16:14:56 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Wed Apr 22 16:15:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: New-ish Laptop Solution To Booting Live CD... Why Did This Work? In-Reply-To: <847993120904221335j415e0554td570a90de67e8596@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904221409.10633.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <847993120904221335j415e0554td570a90de67e8596@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904221615.17383.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Wednesday 22 April 2009 14:35:08 Craig Kelley wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > > When attempting to do a hardware check, a total of 8 (eight) Live > > GNU+Linux CDs and DVDs failed to boot on the thing. Those that threw > > an error message had reported that the kernel was unable to uncompress > > or some such thing like that. > > Have you tried booting with ACPI disbled (acpi=off on the boot line)? I had tried all of the following: noapic nolapic noapic acpi=noirq noapic acpi=off noapictimer noapictimer irqpoll noapic acpi=off noapic acpi=noirq nolapic -- Kevin Benko "We all have to face reality, Dowd -- sooner or later." "Doctor, I wrestled with reality for forty years, and I am happy to state that I finally won out over it." -- From "Harvey" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090422/20dfe2b7/attachment.pgp From csum77 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 16:31:47 2009 From: csum77 at gmail.com (csum77@gmail.com) Date: Wed Apr 22 16:55:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: New-ish Laptop Solution To Booting Live CD... Why Did This Work? In-Reply-To: <200904221615.17383.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904221409.10633.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <847993120904221335j415e0554td570a90de67e8596@mail.gmail.com> <200904221615.17383.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just a shot in the dark here...is the optical drive still an IDE device, or is it a SATA (do they have laptops with SATA-based optical devices now?)...? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Kevin Benko wrote: > On Wednesday 22 April 2009 14:35:08 Craig Kelley wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Kevin Benko > wrote: > > > When attempting to do a hardware check, a total of 8 (eight) Live > > > GNU+Linux CDs and DVDs failed to boot on the thing. Those that threw > > > an error message had reported that the kernel was unable to uncompress > > > or some such thing like that. > > > > Have you tried booting with ACPI disbled (acpi=off on the boot line)? > > I had tried all of the following: > > noapic nolapic > noapic acpi=noirq > noapic acpi=off > noapictimer > noapictimer irqpoll > noapic acpi=off > noapic acpi=noirq nolapic > > -- > Kevin Benko > > "We all have to face reality, Dowd -- sooner or later." > > "Doctor, I wrestled with reality for forty years, and > I am happy to state that I finally won out over it." > -- From "Harvey" > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090422/d1f94764/attachment-0001.html From matthew at azza.com Wed Apr 22 20:35:37 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Wed Apr 22 20:36:03 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: New-ish Laptop Solution To Booting Live CD... Why Did This Work? In-Reply-To: <200904221409.10633.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <200904221409.10633.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EFD3F9.80000@azza.com> Kevin Benko wrote: > The problem is very likely SATA-related, but I am willing to consider > gremlins, evil spirits, or solar flares as being probable causes. I'm willing to bet that it will work if you pass pci=nomsi to the kernel and leave the acpi settings alone. I have a server at my house that won't boot (it freezes on the SATA controller) unless pci=nomsi is passed. And, I helped a customer who was running into similar problems trying to install SLED 11 today, and pci=nomsi fixed it for him as well. 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Anyway, it seems like you get a pretty good speed boost using dual channel, but it only seems to work with equal density pairs of ram. I have 3 x 2 GB sticks. What would be the best configuration to have the best performance for my computer, 1) 2 X 2GB sticks of ram to facilitate the dual channel memory features or 2) 3 x 2 GB sticks without the dual channel feature off? or does it even matter? or am I reading too much into this Dual Channel memory feature? Thanks, jared -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknv4HkACgkQcEiH4kiKkQiVPwCfWk95xQvctJOzXZ/gauIua5Ow 0i8An2pr4KZussi3WPemcUEbtYo8Dh3C =fT1o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthew at azza.com Wed Apr 22 21:40:11 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Wed Apr 22 21:40:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Dual Channel Memory In-Reply-To: <49EFE079.7000300@gmail.com> References: <49EFE079.7000300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EFE31B.3040900@azza.com> Jared Bernard wrote: > So I just bought a new computer and I guess it's been awhile (5 years) > and I haven't kept up like I should with the newest technology. I > purchased a AMD Phenom X4 AM2 socket with 6 GB RAM (3 X2 GB sticks) > and a Biostar TA760G M2+ motherboard. The motherboard supports Dual > Channel memory which I haven't heard much about till I got the > computer and googled briefly. > > Anyway, it seems like you get a pretty good speed boost using dual > channel, but it only seems to work with equal density pairs of ram. I > have 3 x 2 GB sticks. What would be the best configuration to have the > best performance for my computer, 1) 2 X 2GB sticks of ram to > facilitate the dual channel memory features or 2) 3 x 2 GB sticks > without the dual channel feature off? or does it even matter? or am I > reading too much into this Dual Channel memory feature? Well, if it were me, I would get another 2GB stick and have 4GB in each memory channel. If I couldn't buy another stick, I'd run the 6GB in single channel memory (because to me, more memory wins in every case). But yeah -- if you can grab another 2GB stick, it'd be worth having the dual-channels. 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I know a lot of the Dell Latitude systems I support (and even one Dell Vostro laptop, IIRC) have SATA hard drives, and they're really starting to be a fairly common feature market wide. On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 14:08 -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > By My Grandmother's Sweet Spatula! Why did the USB thing work!?!?!? > > The problem is very likely SATA-related, but I am willing to consider > gremlins, evil spirits, or solar flares as being probable causes. My guess would be that the system has a SATA CD-ROM drive in it, and the SATA controller isn't supported in Linux. What errors are you getting when you boot? Are you able to mount your hard drives from the LiveCD? (or an inserted CD?) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't believe I did that! > > Evil list reply-to munging . . . every couple of years it gets me . . . > grumble. > > Sorry everyone. > > Though anyone who wants to browse my resume and send me leads for > interesting > gigs should feel free. > > BTW, sllug.org looks down. > > Richard > > > On Wednesday 22 April 2009 12:47:43 Richard Esplin > wrote: > > My PHP skills are currently rusty, but if you don't get other volunteers > > please contact me and I'll help you out. > > > > You can get my resume here: > > http://richard.esplins.org/resume > > > > Richard > > > > On Wednesday 22 April 2009 11:53:35 Dennis Millard > wrote: > > > I'm looking for a consultant to hire for a short-term job. I need > > > someone with excellent PHP skills who can make modifications to this > > > open-source app: http://cker.name/webadmin/ > > > We need someone to start ASAP, and I'm guessing the work should take > > > roughly 3 days. If you are interested, email your resume to me: > > > millard_dennis@emc.com > > > > > > -Dennis Millard > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090423/837f761e/attachment.html From remo at italy1.com Thu Apr 23 09:16:45 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Thu Apr 23 09:16:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Trying to get rid of a Dell PowerEdge 2650, anyone interested? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ho much? Let me know Remo On 4/22/09 3:29 PM, "Chad R Mayfield" wrote: > Hello all, > > I apologize if this is off topic but I am looking to get rid of some hardware, > my basement is too full and I am trying to minimize the hardware I have and > move to a more virtualized environement.? My first piece hardware that is > taking up the most room is a Dell PowerEdge 2650 Server.? > > Here are the details I can remember; > * Dell PowerEdge 2650 2U Rackmount > * Two 2.8GHz Intel Xeon Processors with 533MHz FSB and HyperThreading > * > * 2GB of DDR Registered ECC SDRAM > * Five (5) 36GB 10K U320 Drives, currently built as RAID 5 > * > * Hardware RAID Card... Sorry forgot the exact card specs. > * > * OS: Ubuntu 8.04 Server > * It has the faceplate, all the sleds, and both power cords. > This server is in great condition, it is working, and has served me well.? If > you would like it please email me an offer off list.? I am not looking to > uload it for much (Perhaps $100?).? Mostly I just want to know that it will be > going to a good home.? I live in the south end of the SLC Valley so I am able > to bring it to your home or have you pick it up from mine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090423/5c06e19f/attachment.htm From sdmorrey at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 09:26:02 2009 From: sdmorrey at gmail.com (Steven Morrey) Date: Thu Apr 23 09:26:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Trying to get rid of a Dell PowerEdge 2650, anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could have swore he said $100 in the ad and to contact him offlist :) On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Remo Mattei wrote: > Ho much? Let me know > > Remo > > > On 4/22/09 3:29 PM, "Chad R Mayfield" wrote: > > Hello all, > > I apologize if this is off topic but I am looking to get rid of some > hardware, my basement is too full and I am trying to minimize the hardware I > have and move to a more virtualized environement. My first piece hardware > that is taking up the most room is a Dell PowerEdge 2650 Server. > > Here are the details I can remember; > > - Dell PowerEdge 2650 2U Rackmount > - Two 2.8GHz Intel Xeon Processors with 533MHz FSB and HyperThreading > - > - 2GB of DDR Registered ECC SDRAM > - Five (5) 36GB 10K U320 Drives, currently built as RAID 5 > - > - Hardware RAID Card... Sorry forgot the exact card specs. > - > - OS: Ubuntu 8.04 Server > - It has the faceplate, all the sleds, and both power cords. > > This server is in great condition, it is working, and has served me well. > If you would like it please email me an offer off list. I am not looking to > uload it for much (Perhaps $100?). Mostly I just want to know that it will > be going to a good home. I live in the south end of the SLC Valley so I am > able to bring it to your home or have you pick it up from mine. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090423/1bc134cd/attachment-0001.html From remo at italy1.com Thu Apr 23 10:06:44 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Thu Apr 23 10:06:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Trying to get rid of a Dell PowerEdge 2650, anyone interested? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok as soon as I am done with my conf call I call you if you have a number. Ciao Remo On 4/23/09 9:26 AM, "Steven Morrey" wrote: > Could have swore he said $100 in the ad and to contact him offlist :) > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Remo Mattei wrote: >> Ho much? Let me know >> >> Remo >> >> >> >> On 4/22/09 3:29 PM, "Chad R Mayfield" > > wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I apologize if this is off topic but I am looking to get rid of some >>> hardware, my basement is too full and I am trying to minimize the hardware I >>> have and move to a more virtualized environement.? My first piece hardware >>> that is taking up the most room is a Dell PowerEdge 2650 Server.? >>> >>> Here are the details I can remember; >>> * Dell PowerEdge 2650 2U Rackmount >>> * Two 2.8GHz Intel Xeon Processors with 533MHz FSB and HyperThreading >>> * >>> * 2GB of DDR Registered ECC SDRAM >>> * Five (5) 36GB 10K U320 Drives, currently built as RAID 5 >>> * >>> * Hardware RAID Card... Sorry forgot the exact card specs. >>> * >>> * OS: Ubuntu 8.04 Server >>> * It has the faceplate, all the sleds, and both power cords. >>> This server is in great condition, it is working, and has served me well.? >>> If you would like it please email me an offer off list.? I am not looking to >>> uload it for much (Perhaps $100?).? Mostly I just want to know that it will >>> be going to a good home.? I live in the south end of the SLC Valley so I am >>> able to bring it to your home or have you pick it up from mine. >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > !DSPAM:49f0898c46332051017194! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:49f0898c46332051017194! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have access to the laptop right now, as my wife is in the middle of academic hell right now and the only way I'll get access to that laptop is to pry it from her cold, dead hands. It's one of my wife's computers, and I'm trying to minimize her frustration when she gets around to installing Debian [[ She was a programmer during the dot-com era, and has come to pretty well *hate* messing with computers as a result. ]]. -- Kevin Benko My Best Nethack Score Thus Far: 1 5746 Gonad-Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu died in The Gnomish Mines on level 6. Killed by a gnome. - [68] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090423/6aa43829/attachment.pgp From chad at planetmayfield.com Thu Apr 23 13:06:59 2009 From: chad at planetmayfield.com (Chad R Mayfield) Date: Thu Apr 23 13:07:02 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Trying to get rid of a Dell PowerEdge 2650, anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Could have swore he said $100 in the ad and to contact him offlist :) > Yes very true. Thank you Steven. Thank you everyone for your interest in the server. It has been claimed. Thanks for everyone who replied. -- Chad R Mayfield chad@planetmayfield.com GPG Key: 0C9A026F http://www.planetmayfield.com/ http://www.chadmayfield.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/chadmayfield -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090423/be162b89/attachment.htm From mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 15:47:32 2009 From: mike.thomas.heath at gmail.com (Michael Heath) Date: Thu Apr 23 15:47:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Consultant needed In-Reply-To: References: <49EF599F.7080307@iomega.com> <200904221247.43996.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904221315.35345.richard-lists@esplins.org> Message-ID: <2e84de770904231447t6aa89825i417b35bb022f0b54@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Nice resume, but you may want to remove the Mormonism links from the right > hand side. > Nothing personal, I'm Mormon too, but a potential employer may frown on it > being on the resume :) I don't imagine those would be the types of employers that he would want to work for. Most intelligent people know of BYU; you might want to check the education section. An intelligent mormon bigot (bit of an oxymoron, I know) would likely be descriminatory with or without the harmless links. Michael Heath From namonai at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 16:59:25 2009 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Thu Apr 23 16:59:35 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Consultant needed In-Reply-To: <2e84de770904231447t6aa89825i417b35bb022f0b54@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EF599F.7080307@iomega.com> <200904221247.43996.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904221315.35345.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2e84de770904231447t6aa89825i417b35bb022f0b54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <847993120904231559k202bd6eet9feb9edd6bfb08d3@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Heath wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: >> Nice resume, but you may want to remove the Mormonism links from the right >> hand side. >> Nothing personal, I'm Mormon too, but a potential employer may frown on it >> being on the resume :) > > I don't imagine those would be the types of employers that he would > want to work for. > > Most intelligent people know of BYU; you might want to check the > education section. An intelligent mormon bigot (bit of an oxymoron, I > know) would likely be descriminatory with or without the harmless > links. As a non-LDS person, I don't think it's a big deal either. If an organization is so inclined, then it's probably not a good fit anyway. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Being a productive geek is what counts. :-) -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From jfriend31 at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 17:19:51 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Thu Apr 23 17:19:53 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Consultant needed In-Reply-To: <847993120904231559k202bd6eet9feb9edd6bfb08d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EF599F.7080307@iomega.com> <200904221247.43996.richard-lists@esplins.org> <200904221315.35345.richard-lists@esplins.org> <2e84de770904231447t6aa89825i417b35bb022f0b54@mail.gmail.com> <847993120904231559k202bd6eet9feb9edd6bfb08d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1240528791.16241.2.camel@jack-desktop> fellows, i have had some experience in this matter: one possible employer was most unhappy that i had used an LDS church envelope in which to mail my resume. i know he did not thereafter consider me as an applicant as he wrote me a letter saying exactly that. jack On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 16:59 -0600, Craig Kelley wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Heath > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Steven Morrey wrote: > >> Nice resume, but you may want to remove the Mormonism links from the right > >> hand side. > >> Nothing personal, I'm Mormon too, but a potential employer may frown on it > >> being on the resume :) > > > > I don't imagine those would be the types of employers that he would > > want to work for. > > > > Most intelligent people know of BYU; you might want to check the > > education section. An intelligent mormon bigot (bit of an oxymoron, I > > know) would likely be descriminatory with or without the harmless > > links. > > As a non-LDS person, I don't think it's a big deal either. If an > organization is so inclined, then it's probably not a good fit anyway. > > It wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Being a productive geek is > what counts. :-) > From joeg at clearcore.com Thu Apr 23 22:43:16 2009 From: joeg at clearcore.com (Joe George) Date: Thu Apr 23 22:43:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Internship Available Message-ID: We are looking for an Intern. We do embedded software and hardware for SONAR systems. We are looking for someone with strong a strong interest in embedded programming. Our systems are based on Xilinx FPGAs with embedded PowerPC processors running Linux. We program these in C. Also of interest to us is Python/WxWindows, especially if you have graphics experience. Email your resume, if you are interested, to joe.george@itt.com. Thanks, Joe George -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090423/de3dfe07/attachment.html From matthew at azza.com Sat Apr 25 10:41:17 2009 From: matthew at azza.com (Matthew Hatch) Date: Sat Apr 25 10:41:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux and Video Editing Message-ID: <49F33D2D.801@azza.com> So over the past few days I've been pulling some video off of my camcorder in preparation to put on a DVD, but I really don't want to use Windows to do it. So far I have had good luck with dvgrab (I love that program), but it doesn't do much more than just dumping the video. Kino works to an extent, but it crashes all too often. My question is: Which video editing solutions do you all use when it comes to putting DV video on a DVD (or heck -- even putting it up on youtube)? I've used mencoder to shrink it down for youtube, which isn't a problem, but it's the editing process (breaking it up into scenes and what not) that is the problem. Thanks for your input! -- Matthew Hatch From dhales2 at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 13:56:28 2009 From: dhales2 at gmail.com (Dan Hales) Date: Sat Apr 25 13:56:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux and Video Editing In-Reply-To: <49F33D2D.801@azza.com> References: <49F33D2D.801@azza.com> Message-ID: kdelive - seems to work for most things I've done. It should even grab your DV video from your camcorder. However, I think it was some else on this email distribution that informed me about kdelive. On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Matthew Hatch wrote: > So over the past few days I've been pulling some video off of my > camcorder in preparation to put on a DVD, but I really don't want to use > Windows to do it. So far I have had good luck with dvgrab (I love that > program), but it doesn't do much more than just dumping the video. Kino > works to an extent, but it crashes all too often. > > My question is: Which video editing solutions do you all use when it > comes to putting DV video on a DVD (or heck -- even putting it up on > youtube)? I've used mencoder to shrink it down for youtube, which isn't > a problem, but it's the editing process (breaking it up into scenes and > what not) that is the problem. > > Thanks for your input! > > -- > Matthew Hatch > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090425/31dba9b2/attachment.htm From ecantwell at bluehost.com Sat Apr 25 14:42:25 2009 From: ecantwell at bluehost.com (Erick Cantwell) Date: Sat Apr 25 14:42:29 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux and Video Editing In-Reply-To: <49F33D2D.801@azza.com> References: <49F33D2D.801@azza.com> Message-ID: <49F375B1.2040804@bluehost.com> Matthew Hatch wrote: > So over the past few days I've been pulling some video off of my > camcorder in preparation to put on a DVD, but I really don't want to use > Windows to do it. So far I have had good luck with dvgrab (I love that > program), but it doesn't do much more than just dumping the video. Kino > works to an extent, but it crashes all too often. > > My question is: Which video editing solutions do you all use when it > comes to putting DV video on a DVD (or heck -- even putting it up on > youtube)? I've used mencoder to shrink it down for youtube, which isn't > a problem, but it's the editing process (breaking it up into scenes and > what not) that is the problem. > > Thanks for your input! > > -- > Matthew Hatch > Mathew, This is a great tool: http://www.heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php It's a full open source video editing software suite for Linux. Since it is as full suite it does have a bit of a learning curve, but from what I have used it for it's been great. --Erick From fozz at xmission.com Sat Apr 25 16:15:28 2009 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Sat Apr 25 16:16:43 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux and Video Editing Message-ID: <200904251615.28488.fozz@xmission.com> On Saturday 25 April 2009 10:41:17 Matthew Hatch wrote: > So over the past few days I've been pulling some video off of my > camcorder in preparation to put on a DVD, but I really don't want to use > Windows to do it. So far I have had good luck with dvgrab (I love that > program), but it doesn't do much more than just dumping the video. Kino > works to an extent, but it crashes all too often. Linux video editing is still a young realm. Kino, when it works, works well, as you mentioned. Some other apps you may want to look at: - avidemux2 - kdenlive - cinelerra As for me, I still keep Windows around for the serious video editing projects. -- fozz@iodynamics.com is Doran L. "Fozz" Barton "Please arrange for pee-pee stop en route." -- Memo sent inside Japanese company in London From u235sentinel at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 16:52:20 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Sat Apr 25 16:52:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux and Video Editing In-Reply-To: <200904251615.28488.fozz@xmission.com> References: <200904251615.28488.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: <49F39424.6030000@gmail.com> Doran L. "Fozz" Barton wrote: > On Saturday 25 April 2009 10:41:17 Matthew Hatch wrote: > > Linux video editing is still a young realm. Kino, when it works, works well, > as you mentioned. Some other apps you may want to look at: > > - avidemux2 > - kdenlive > - cinelerra > > As for me, I still keep Windows around for the serious video editing projects. > > I find myself still going back to Vegas Video running under XP in Virtual Box when I have a problem that kdenlive just can't solve. Blue/Green screens for example are hard (or I just don't know what I'm doing) under kdenlive. I'm looking at messing with jahshaka. I understand it's pretty good. Just downloaded the source code and need to build it (what no debian package??? serious??) From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 20:05:09 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Sat Apr 25 20:32:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: anybody have a spare graphics card? Message-ID: hi guys, I have a nvidia geforce 2, and I want to write games for pixel shader (glsl) cards, but the geforce 2 doesn't support pixel shaders. anybody have a old graphics card that supports pixel shaders that they would and maybe more than 64 MBs of ram? -- the blendmaster From rll123 at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 27 08:37:33 2009 From: rll123 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Lewis) Date: Mon Apr 27 09:04:23 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu 9.04 screen resolution Message-ID: <49F5C32D.6060200@sbcglobal.net> I upgraded to Ubuntu 9.04 for a friend where I used my monitor not his. All went well. Then he got home and he is getting some message about the resolution not being supported so the GUI never comes up. His monitor must not be able to detect the resolution that mine was auto set to. Although, I expected that 9.04 would have just automatically set the resolution to whatever was needed to make the monitor work. I have been nosing around on the Ubuntu forums to see if I could hand set from the command line a resolution that his monitor could accept but so far the file to change and method is escaping me. Is it possible to hand edit the resolution and restart the Xserver? It appears that the /etc/X11/xorg.conf is no longer being used for this and that maybe "xrandr" is the command to use. Anyone have an idea how to easily fix this? Cheers, Bob From richard at esplins.org Mon Apr 27 12:01:22 2009 From: richard at esplins.org (Richard Esplin) Date: Mon Apr 27 12:27:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ubuntu 9.04 screen resolution In-Reply-To: <49F5C32D.6060200@sbcglobal.net> References: <49F5C32D.6060200@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200904271201.22328.richard-lists@esplins.org> xrandr is how you do it at runtime: http://www.linuxtutorialblog.com/post/solution-resetting-your-screen-resolution-with-xrandr Editing xorg.conf is how you make it happen at start-up: Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" Device "Configured Video Device" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1680x1050" "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x800" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection EndSection There is some kind of GUI tool to do this, but it didn't work for me and I don't remember its name. Richard Esplin On Monday 27 April 2009 08:37:33 Robert Lewis wrote: > I upgraded to Ubuntu 9.04 for a friend > where I used my monitor not his. All went well. > > Then he got home and he is getting some message about > the resolution not being supported so the GUI never comes up. > His monitor must not be able to detect the resolution that mine > was auto set to. Although, I expected that 9.04 would have > just automatically set the resolution to whatever was needed > to make the monitor work. > > I have been nosing around on the Ubuntu forums to see if I > could hand set from the command line a resolution that his > monitor could accept but so far the file to change and method > is escaping me. Is it possible to hand edit the resolution and > restart the Xserver? It appears that the /etc/X11/xorg.conf is no > longer being used for this and that maybe "xrandr" is the command > to use. > > Anyone have an idea how to easily fix this? > > Cheers, > Bob From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 27 14:58:34 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 27 14:58:41 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background Message-ID: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> Does a program exist that will toggle among backgrounds in Linux, particularly Ubuntu 8.10? i have a few photos i would love to see that way. thank you, jack From blendmaster1024 at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 15:11:35 2009 From: blendmaster1024 at gmail.com (Christian Horne) Date: Mon Apr 27 15:11:37 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: not that i know of, but you could write a program that uses dcop... wait no, dcop is kde. darn. no idea. On 4/27/09, Jack B. Friend wrote: > Does a program exist that will toggle among backgrounds in Linux, > particularly Ubuntu 8.10? i have a few photos i would love to see that > way. > thank you, > jack > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- the blendmaster From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 27 15:14:22 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 27 15:14:28 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <1240866862.16250.0.camel@jack-desktop> thanks, found one called Wallpapoz that claims to do just that. have not tried it yet. http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/ jack On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 15:11 -0600, Christian Horne wrote: > not that i know of, but you could write a program that uses dcop... > wait no, dcop is kde. darn. no idea. > > On 4/27/09, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > Does a program exist that will toggle among backgrounds in Linux, > > particularly Ubuntu 8.10? i have a few photos i would love to see that > > way. > > thank you, > > jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > > sllug-members@sllug.org > > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > > From fozz at xmission.com Mon Apr 27 15:45:57 2009 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Mon Apr 27 15:46:49 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background Message-ID: <200904271545.57831.fozz@xmission.com> On Monday 27 April 2009 14:58:34 Jack B. Friend wrote: > Does a program exist that will toggle among backgrounds in Linux, > particularly Ubuntu 8.10? i have a few photos i would love to see that > way. I do this in KDE and it's really easy to set up. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "Not to be used for the other use." -- Seen on a Japanese food processor package From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 27 16:06:23 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 27 16:06:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: <200904271545.57831.fozz@xmission.com> References: <200904271545.57831.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1240869983.16250.6.camel@jack-desktop> Gnome is the desktop in Ubuntu 8.10. i may try Kubuntu one day and will then give it a try. thanks, jack On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 15:45 -0600, Doran L. "Fozz" Barton wrote: > On Monday 27 April 2009 14:58:34 Jack B. Friend wrote: > > Does a program exist that will toggle among backgrounds in Linux, > > particularly Ubuntu 8.10? i have a few photos i would love to see that > > way. > > I do this in KDE and it's really easy to set up. > From benko.kevin at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 16:21:09 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Mon Apr 27 16:21:45 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Monday 27 April 2009 14:58:34 Jack B. Friend wrote: > Does a program exist that will toggle among backgrounds in Linux, > particularly Ubuntu 8.10? i have a few photos i would love to see that > way. > thank you, I'm not exactly sure what you want when you say "toggle backgrounds", but the fbsetbg command might the heart-and-soul of a short shell script that might suit your needs. It's in the Debian repositories and there's documentation for it at the following URL: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/fbsetbg/fbsetbg.html -- Kevin Benko -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090427/6d9f0ad7/attachment.pgp From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 27 17:02:02 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 27 17:02:11 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1240873322.16250.27.camel@jack-desktop> thank you, jack On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 16:21 -0600, Kevin Benko wrote: > On Monday 27 April 2009 14:58:34 Jack B. Friend wrote: > > Does a program exist that will toggle among backgrounds in Linux, > > particularly Ubuntu 8.10? i have a few photos i would love to see that > > way. > > thank you, > > I'm not exactly sure what you want when you say "toggle backgrounds", but > the fbsetbg command might the heart-and-soul of a short shell script that > might suit your needs. > > It's in the Debian repositories and there's documentation for it at the > following URL: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/fbsetbg/fbsetbg.html > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 17:13:39 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Mon Apr 27 17:13:42 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: > It's in the Debian repositories and there's documentation for it at the > following URL: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/fbsetbg/fbsetbg.html > > -- > Kevin Benko I'm getting a 404 when I follow that link From jfriend31 at comcast.net Mon Apr 27 17:38:49 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Mon Apr 27 17:38:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1240875529.16250.32.camel@jack-desktop> i just did a Google on fbsetbg and found the site and discussion. jack On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 17:13 -0600, Jeff Shipley wrote: > > It's in the Debian repositories and there's documentation for it at the > > following URL: > > > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/fbsetbg/fbsetbg.html > > > > -- > > Kevin Benko > > I'm getting a 404 when I follow that link > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From benko.kevin at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 19:58:57 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Mon Apr 27 19:59:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Monday 27 April 2009 17:13:39 Jeff Shipley wrote: [snip] > I'm getting a 404 when I follow that link My bad. I pulled the URL from the man page without checking it. Sorry about that. -- Kevin Benko Gideon: "They aren't going to authorize this little diversion and I didn't want any of our people filing reports that can be proven false later." Matheson: "Already taken care of. I called EarthDome and told them we have reason to believe there may be hostile forces in the area." Gideon: "Based on what?" Matheson: "Well, it seems like everywhere we go, there's somebody who doesn't like you, so it's a fair assumption." -- Crusade; "To the Ends of the Earth" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090427/8ab6ab36/attachment-0001.pgp From jbowen73 at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 00:31:08 2009 From: jbowen73 at gmail.com (Jeremy Bowen) Date: Tue Apr 28 00:31:13 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> I've been a member of this list group for quite some time I've never contributed anything. So today I thought I would start by introducing myself. I'm currently working as the IT manager at Box Elder County Credit Union. I joined this list a few years ago when I lived in Eagle Mountain. I wanted to get a good idea what people were up to in the Linux community. I've been working with Linux for well over 10 years. My first version was Red Hat 4.2. Yes honestly it was. From there I moved to the upgraded versions, and variants such as Madrake which is now Mandriva. My assessment of Linux in the past 10 years has been one of mixed feelings. I love the open source concepts Linux has to offer. I'm a huge fan of the new and improved software managers such as yum, apt-get, and the synaptic package manager which have been great improvements over the old rpm -ivh ... (then find dependencies of dependencies of dependencies... sheesh you should have been there it was much easier just to reinstall the OS.) At last we have arrived with a few good desktop systems such as Ubuntu and like or hate it Mandriva is quite popular in European countries as well since I started with Red Hat, I have a soft spot for Mandriva. So this brings me to the dilemma and the mixed feelings I have towards the OS itself. I believe the OS has solid server capabilities and seems very robust yet flexible to accomplish almost any task. For example I put a system together as router between two segmented LANs. Linux is awesome and there have been the non-believers and those that are strong advocates for Linux but I'm afraid the rest of the human population has a hard time grasping the concept of Linux. Some people have heard of it and others have opened up to it but it's been well over ten years since I've been working with it and yet try and find a mainstream brick and mortar retailer that is selling a system with Linux on it or ask the Qwest customer support yep sometime if their DSL is compatible with Linux. I love that answer because they have no freaking clue! Yet for some reason it's really not a matter of, "Is Linux compatible?" it's a matter of, "Can your OS handle TCP/IP?" I also asked them if their modem had bridging capabilities... that was a fun discussion too. But I digress...ok on to the survey. Obviously there are no right or wrong answers. 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 2) What flavors have you used? 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop systems in the next 3-5 years? 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 years? 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? This survey is completely independent and is more of a curiosity for me than anything else. Thanks! 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090428/8d889f90/attachment.htm From kd7nyq at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 04:52:15 2009 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Tue Apr 28 04:52:19 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390904280352i8f2b917qc4a577881964a3d1@mail.gmail.com> > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? > 2) What flavors have you used? I started using Linux during the mid-nineties. I'm not sure when. I was pretty young. Windows 95 was still a revolutionary step in modern computing. I bought a boxed copy of Red Hat (4.2?) because I was interested but I had not idea that GNU/Linux was supposed to be free. To be honest, it was a little too much for me. I like it simple. After Red Hat, came Mandrake (which seemed like a step up from Red Hat). It was nevertheless still too cumbersome for my tastes, but was easier for the newbie I was at the time. When I found Slackware, I was in heaven. It was no-nonsense Linux, sufficiently simple and straightforward enough to be understood /as/ GNU/Linux and not as a GNU/Linux derivative. I think I peaked around a 300MHz AMD with 128MB of RAM and a 2.5GB hard drive during this initial period. During my high school and early college years, I dual-booted with Slackware or Mandrake depending on the requirements. While office applications didn't amount to much during this period, making a full switch impossible, my love for Quake and Gimp grew deep. While I lived in Peru (where computing technology is still relatively expensive), I started trying out low-spec bootable CDs. The computer I managed to pull out of the trash had a motherboard, power supply, and CD-ROM. The motherboard was so corroded and moldy that I'm still surprised that it worked! (soft toothbrushes and alcohol based cleaners work wonders, BTW) I couldn't afford a hard drive at the time. After trying Knoppix and a few others, I was very pleased with DSL (Damn Small Linux). DSL is knoppix based, but much smaller, and has the capacity to load software modules for expandability. Configuration and home files are automatically saved to/loaded from a thumb drive. I returned to the United States about a year and half ago and I got a job at ACS, Inc. (Affiliated Computer Services, Inc.). I'm what they call a 'Production Control Associate', but all I do is watch computers. When they fail, I call the /real/ tech support. A coworker introduced me to Gentoo, which I love for its package management system, but dislike for the general requirement to compile just about everything and some incompatibility quarks. I'm currently trying out Slackware and Debian as possible replacements. > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next? 3-5 years? In terms of Linux, I don't think it's any surprise that Ubuntu is showing a lot of promise. Like you said, there is a remarkable number of people that just don't get it and need (like I did) an easy way to break into the open source arena. With computing power readily available, the eye candy and large graphics systems aren't really much of an impedance to new comers, but a draw. Ubuntu does almost everything automatically as far as I can tell with little to no configuration. Otherwise, I'm staring at Apple's OS making a scene on Intel hardware. Users love it and I'm seeing large numbers of people using it on non-Apple hardware. Personally, I'd love to see Apple release the OS onto the market for non-Apple systems. I'm told it even runs WoW. :P In the short term (3-5 years), Windows will still keep a good grasp. Even though transition is in the wind, things aren't going to change that quickly. User preference: MacOS User tradition: Windows User adventure: Ubuntu > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? I really dig those cheap Atom-based systems and I'm gonna grab one for school next Fall (or an AMD/VIA counterpart if they reduce their heat dissipation). They're portable, low-energy, low-cost, and high-power systems with a small space requirement. Personally, I don't easily see any miniaturization much beyond that as keyboards and mice are still the standard. Unless very durable touch screens come about and an LCARS-type interface makes it onto the scene, I'll have no reason to change, I'm sure. In addition, I feel claustrophobic with only one monitor, not mentioning anything with less than 14" of screen space -- I use a triple head setup at home and a five-head setup at work. It appears that manufacturers are relying on this idea, too, with their releases of full-sized keyboards and big screens on laptops. Net books are clever, but I still love my big interface. From jared.bernard at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 07:26:47 2009 From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard) Date: Tue Apr 28 07:33:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49f705c2.1abd600a.1efa.047c@mx.google.com> > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? I started using Linux in April 2001 with Red Hat 7.0 but quickly moved to Mandrake 8.0. > 2) What flavors have you used? I spent a long time with Mandrake/Mandriva up till version 10, then spent some time with Suse, Mepis and finally Ubuntu. I love trying out various distros, so I've tried literally hundreds. I currently run Ubuntu Jaunty 64 bit on my main box and Crunchbang on my laptop, but I also have a Debian Lenny (Kids computer) and a Slackware box. > > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop systems > in the next 3-5 years? Windows. > > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? I believe the economy is going to suck for a lot longer then most believe, motivating people to hold on to their computers alot longer. If Windows continues to bloat with every service pack and update, the general public is going to get frustrated because they won't be as likely to upgrade hardware and possibly look for an alternative. The bad economy will help Linux, but MS will still have the majority market share. I think lower end computing is the trend. We see evidence of this with the success of netbooks and Microsoft's attempts to have a less resource hungry OS in Windows 7. > > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? > no comment. Jared From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 07:52:48 2009 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Tue Apr 28 07:53:25 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F70A30.5090802@gmail.com> On 04/28/2009 12:31 AM, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1999. > 2) What flavors have you used? Slackware, Mandrake, Red Hat Linux, SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, Knoppix, Damn Small Linux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Arch Linux and Foresight. > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? Windows. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? Less reliance on the desktop and more dependence on the web and cloud. > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? Doubt it. Until cell phones, PDAs, and such agree on some hardware standard base, like modern computing has, I have a hard time seeing the laptop or desktop vaporize in favor of these proprietary solutions. -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 4/28/09 7:52 AM, "Aaron Toponce" wrote: > On 04/28/2009 12:31 AM, Jeremy Bowen wrote: >> 1) What year did you start working with Linux? > > 1999. 1994 > >> 2) What flavors have you used? > > Slackware, Mandrake, Red Hat Linux, SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, > openSUSE, Knoppix, Damn Small Linux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Arch > Linux and Foresight. > >> 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop >> systems in the next 3-5 years? > > Windows. > >> 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 >> years? > > Less reliance on the desktop and more dependence on the web and cloud. > >> 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone >> technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? > > Doubt it. Until cell phones, PDAs, and such agree on some hardware > standard base, like modern computing has, I have a hard time seeing the > laptop or desktop vaporize in favor of these proprietary solutions. > From gthornock at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 08:11:01 2009 From: gthornock at yahoo.com (Gary Thornock) Date: Tue Apr 28 08:11:09 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey Message-ID: <572965.66177.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? Around 1993. > 2) What flavors have you used? I started with Slackware, then moved to Red Hat and then to FreeBSD as my primary system. Currently I use FreeBSD on some machines and OS X on others. Along the way I've tried out any number of other things -- Mandrake, Suse, Gentoo, Mepis and Kubuntu come to mind, I'm sure there have been several others. I used Mepis on a laptop for quite a while, and I still use Kubuntu live CDs frequently. > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for > desktop systems in the next 3-5 years? Windows XP. It takes quite a while for the dominant OS to shift, even between different Windows versions. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the > next 3-5 years? A lot of things are shifting toward the web, but the desktop isn't going away anytime soon. If Vista is any indication, though, Windows has reached a point of diminishing returns. On other fronts, Snow Leopard sounds promising, and the little I've seen so far of Kubuntu 9.04 looks good, so I think there's still plenty of room for improvement on the desktop. > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell > phone technology in the near future(3-5 years)? ? Why or why > not? I don't see the desktop being entirely replaced, but with things moving to the web, there's quite a bit that can already be done with a hand held. I'm amazed at how much I can do on the iPhone that used to require pulling out my laptop. There are still plenty of applications that need full keyboards and mice, though -- I'd be afraid to even try vim on an iPhone, just to name one example. Then there's the issue of screen size. Some things just require a big screen. Or two, or three. From joseph at thatworks.com Tue Apr 28 07:21:52 2009 From: joseph at thatworks.com (Joseph Hall) Date: Tue Apr 28 09:19:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <429579db0904280621j16dcff52r592ce810079dcb84@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? I started toying with it in 1994, but I didn't start seriously using it until 2000. > 2) What flavors have you used? Yggsdrasil, Mandrake, Red Hat, RHEL, Fedora, SLES, openSUSE, Ubuntu, Arch, Backtrack, PDL, Knoppix. > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next? 3-5 years? While I believe that Linux will gain ground, I think that Windows has a firm enough hold to maintain the majority market share for at least that amount of time. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? The majority of desktop apps that I use now differ only in name from what I used 10 years ago: Firefox instead of Netscape, OO.org/Google Apps instead of MS Office, gThumb instead of CompuPic. > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)?? Why or why not? I used to use the browser on my phone a lot when I travelled. Now that I no longer travel, I've been considering dropping my data plan. Why use a computer with a tiny screen, keyboard and resources when I have a perfectly good laptop or desktop with far superior resources and a far superior interface right in front of me? The G1 may be sexy, and you know I'll be buying an OpenPandora as soon as it's released, but neither will be replacing my ThinkPad anytime soon. -- Joseph http://blog.josephhall.com/ From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 09:24:49 2009 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Ricardo) Date: Tue Apr 28 09:25:01 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <572965.66177.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <572965.66177.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <614c1080904280824r65b6e89fmc985374d1f01e50f@mail.gmail.com> 1) What year did you start working with Linux? I started working on Solaris in 2006 for work. In early 2007 I installed linux on a partition, and haven't really used windows since. 2) What flavors have you used? Most flavors of ubuntu, Solaris, arch linux, + livecd's of so many others. 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop systems in the next 3-5 years? Windows7 or XP. 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 years? Tighter cloud integration as well as pervasive virtualization. I think the most interesting trend we're seeing now is that 'good enough' has arrived, and is hopefully here to stay. Most people aren't screaming for more storage space or higher clock frequencies. Power consumption is going to be what manufacturers compete on. 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? For some users yes, but most office workers aren't going to be sitting in a cubicle working on a handheld all day. Most home users are doing things like watching movies and editing pictures, they won't be doing that on a handheld either. Here's the thing: if most people have to have a *real* computer, those people are less likely to go out and purchase a second computer. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Gary Thornock wrote: > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? > > Around 1993. > > > 2) What flavors have you used? > > I started with Slackware, then moved to Red Hat and then to > FreeBSD as my primary system. Currently I use FreeBSD on some > machines and OS X on others. > > Along the way I've tried out any number of other things -- > Mandrake, Suse, Gentoo, Mepis and Kubuntu come to mind, I'm sure > there have been several others. I used Mepis on a laptop for > quite a while, and I still use Kubuntu live CDs frequently. > > > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for > > desktop systems in the next 3-5 years? > > Windows XP. It takes quite a while for the dominant OS to shift, > even between different Windows versions. > > > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the > > next 3-5 years? > > A lot of things are shifting toward the web, but the desktop > isn't going away anytime soon. If Vista is any indication, > though, Windows has reached a point of diminishing returns. On > other fronts, Snow Leopard sounds promising, and the little I've > seen so far of Kubuntu 9.04 looks good, so I think there's still > plenty of room for improvement on the desktop. > > > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell > > phone technology in the near future(3-5 years)? ? Why or why > > not? > > I don't see the desktop being entirely replaced, but with things > moving to the web, there's quite a bit that can already be done > with a hand held. I'm amazed at how much I can do on the iPhone > that used to require pulling out my laptop. > > There are still plenty of applications that need full keyboards > and mice, though -- I'd be afraid to even try vim on an iPhone, > just to name one example. Then there's the issue of screen > size. Some things just require a big screen. Or two, or three. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090428/21621420/attachment.htm From fozz at xmission.com Tue Apr 28 09:53:18 2009 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Tue Apr 28 09:54:10 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904280953.18850.fozz@xmission.com> While I appreciate this little survey, I'd like to point out that Jeremy hijacked the "background" thread (Bad Jeremy! Bad! No bone!) and should have started a new thread for this. Also, please trim and quote appropriately! On Tuesday 28 April 2009 00:31:08 Jeremy Bowen wrote: > Obviously there are no right or wrong answers. > > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1994. I used various forms of Unix beginning in 1991 including SunOS, Solaris, Ultrix, SysV, Xenix, and SCO Unix. > 2) What flavors have you used? I started with SLS and Slackware. In 1995 or 1996, I started using Red Hat and Pacific HiTech's TurboLinux, eventually settling mostly on Red Hat. > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? Windows. For Linux, whatever you're most comfortable with. It seems the latest and greatest software is generally available in most popular distributions. This is largely due to the nature of the open source communities behind the distributions. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? A move away from desktop computing. :) > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? I think a proliferation of web-enabled devices and applications will increase use of mobile and non-traditional computing devices. We're going to start seeing computer technology and web-enabled technology in some really weird places- places we never expected, but that's par for the course. Twenty or thirty years ago the thought of using computation power to do "frivolous" things like decode compressed music was only entertained by really geeky geeks. Today, it's mainstream. Forty years ago, word processing would have been labeled an utter waste of CPU cycles by some. Obviously, desktop computing isn't going away. We still have the need for word processing and spreadsheets. People are becoming more and more comfortable using desktop computers for archiving and processing image and video data as well. I think we're going to see growth of home servers. That's one area where Linux shines. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "Persons are prohibited from picking flowers from any but their own graves." -- Seen in a cemetery From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 09:58:27 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Tue Apr 28 09:58:33 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <79c119390904280352i8f2b917qc4a577881964a3d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <79c119390904280352i8f2b917qc4a577881964a3d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Otherwise, I'm staring at Apple's OS making a scene on Intel hardware. > ?Users love it and I'm seeing large numbers of people using it on > non-Apple hardware. ?Personally, I'd love to see Apple release the OS > onto the market for non-Apple systems. ?I'm told it even runs WoW. :P This is absolutely true. Blizzard has always been committed to making their games work on Mac as well as PC. WoW works in Linux under Wine, but works seamlessly out of the box on Mac. You don't even have to buy a Mac version. If you have the discs, they install in Mac or Windows. From unum at unum5.org Tue Apr 28 10:10:41 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Tue Apr 28 10:11:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F72A81.9090004@unum5.org> Jeremy Bowen wrote: > > > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? First touched it in '96. Didn't really use it until 2000. > > 2) What flavors have you used? My older brother was running Caldera on our parents computer in '96. I installed Corel I think in '99 and then Mandrake which I used until I was thankfully introduced to Debian in fall of 2000. I've used Suse, Fedora/Centos/Redhat in a work enviroment. Debian on all of my personal machines. > > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? Debian will be the OS on all of MY desktops ;) > > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next > 3-5 years? More cloud based systems like the netbooks(which honestly scares me and is not for me). You've got to hand it to those Sun guys they predicted the future 30 years out, and completely failed to benefit from it :). > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? > No. Keyboards and screens. I think you are likely to see more systems with the computer built into the back of the monitor(often used as cash registers, etc now). So you will have low power processors, flash memory and wireless abilities, but big screens and full size keyboards. Kyle From jeffquiparle at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 10:13:58 2009 From: jeffquiparle at gmail.com (Jeff Shipley) Date: Tue Apr 28 10:13:59 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 2001 > 2) What flavors have you used? Debian, Mandrake, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch I've tried several others, including FreeBSD, but never stuck with them long enough to be able to say that I've used them. > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next? 3-5 years? Windows will probably continue strong for at least a few more years (and maybe many years). OS X seems to be rising in popularity, and is a good system. Linux is great, but often requires a lot of fiddling to get everything working properly. My guess is that market shares will probably shift, with Windows losing and Apple and Linux winning, but that Windows will still be on top. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? Unfortunately, I believe that a large part of the focus will be on eye-candy and 3D effects that will use up more of the system resources. Security will probably improve, as will security exploits. Gnu will release HURD, and Haiku (the open source BeOS "clone") will have a decent alpha release. Debian will *not* move to a 6 month release schedule, ever. > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)?? Why or why not? I think that some phones are capable of filling the computer needs of some people, but that there will always be a need for desktops. They are much more powerful, have larger screens, better input devices, and are generally more useful. From remo at italy1.com Tue Apr 28 10:38:26 2009 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Tue Apr 28 10:38:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <200904280953.18850.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: I see that no one used yellow linux on mac :) I also like the userlinux which is not out there anymore oh well it was Debain base anyhow. Anyhow yeap lots of diff version of linux and free(XXX) open and netBSD, solaris etc... Good to see many people using Linux now :). I heard which I have not tried it yet puppy linux is pretty good. Ciao, Remo From jfolsom at scl.utah.edu Tue Apr 28 11:06:22 2009 From: jfolsom at scl.utah.edu (Jeff Folsom) Date: Tue Apr 28 11:06:21 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F7378E.2020908@scl.utah.edu> Jeremy Bowen wrote: > > I've been a member of this list group for quite some time I've never > contributed anything. So today I thought I would start by introducing > myself. I'm currently working as the IT manager at Box Elder County > Credit Union. I joined this list a few years ago when I lived in > Eagle Mountain. I wanted to get a good idea what people were up to in > the Linux community. I've been working with Linux for well over 10 > years. My first version was Red Hat 4.2. Yes honestly it was. From > there I moved to the upgraded versions, and variants such as Madrake > which is now Mandriva. > My assessment of Linux in the past 10 years has been one of mixed > feelings. I love the open source concepts Linux has to offer. I'm a > huge fan of the new and improved software managers such as yum, > apt-get, and the synaptic package manager which have been great > improvements over the old rpm -ivh ... (then find dependencies of > dependencies of dependencies... sheesh you should have been there it > was much easier just to reinstall the OS.) At last we have arrived > with a few good desktop systems such as Ubuntu and like or hate it > Mandriva is quite popular in European countries as well since I > started with Red Hat, I have a soft spot for Mandriva. So this brings > me to the dilemma and the mixed feelings I have towards the OS > itself. I believe the OS has solid server capabilities and seems > very robust yet flexible to accomplish almost any task. For example I > put a system together as router between two segmented LANs. Linux is > awesome and there have been the non-believers and those that are > strong advocates for Linux but I'm afraid the rest of the human > population has a hard time grasping the concept of Linux. Some people > have heard of it and others have opened up to it but it's been well > over ten years since I've been working with it and yet try and find a > mainstream brick and mortar retailer that is selling a system with > Linux on it or ask the Qwest customer support yep sometime if their > DSL is compatible with Linux. I love that answer because they have no > freaking clue! Yet for some reason it's really not a matter of, "Is > Linux compatible?" it's a matter of, "Can your OS handle TCP/IP?" I > also asked them if their modem had bridging capabilities... that was a > fun discussion too. But I digress...ok on to the survey. > > Obviously there are no right or wrong answers. > > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? > > 2) What flavors have you used? > > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? > > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next > 3-5 years? > > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? > > This survey is completely independent and is more of a curiosity for > me than anything else. > > Thanks! > > Jeremy Bowen > 1) I started in 2000 with slackware, and yellowdog linux. 2) Slack, Yellowdog, RH, RHFC, SuSE, Debian, and now work with and administer dozens of Gentoo servers and Desktops, with a sprinkling of (K)Ubuntu boxes and OS X. 3) I have a feeling that Windows 7 is going to do fairly well in the next few years, but I desperately hope that Linux will make big strides as newuser friendliness improves and the economy forces users out of their comfort zones. 4) Workstations will remain vital,but casual use will probably shift towards the cloud, with netbooks and smartphone technology develop. 5) GOTO 4 Jeff Folsom From benko.kevin at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 13:49:43 2009 From: benko.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Benko) Date: Tue Apr 28 13:50:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904281349.56556.benko.kevin@gmail.com> On Tuesday 28 April 2009 00:31:08 Jeremy Bowen wrote: [snip] > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1999 > 2) What flavors have you used? Debian, RedHat, Debian, SUSE (pre-Novell), Debian, SUSE (Novell), Debian, Slackware, Debian, Ubuntu (I didn't like it) Debian, Gentoo (I didn't like the GCC screensaver) Debian, "Linux From Scratch", did I mention Debian? > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? Wow... This one's fascinating... Given that most OEMs come pre-installed with Moft Windows, choice of OS is somewhat taken out of consideration. So, with that caveat, I would say that when a *legitimate* OS choice is offered, that GNU+Linux would most likely be the OS of choice for those who *do* assert their freedom to choose. The rest of the people out there who don't know that there is a choice involved will take the default non-choice of whatever nonsense toy OS that Moft is pushing on them. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? Well, the whole "clod"... I mean "cloud" thing is currently trendy and fashionable, but I think it's vacuous. Wasn't the strength of the "home computer" thing in the 1980's the fact computing power became personal and decentralized and escaped the limitations of the mainframe/dumb-terminal thing? I would hope that we would move towards the freedom of decentralization of computer power rather than the tyranny of "cloud computing". I agree with what RMS has to say about "cloud computing" > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? I hope not. I have a cellular phone, and I hate it. It is sometimes an interruption. My wife has a laptop computer, I don't because I don't consider it necessary for the way I choose to live my life. I'm OK with my three desktop systems, and when I go out and about in public, I don't have a need to be constantly "connected" to computing power or the potential of being interrupted by a call on my cellular phone. There's a time for messing with a computer, and there's a time for just going about and experiencing *life* out in the world without being distracted. [snip] Well, now that I've probably weirded out some people on the mailing list, it's time for me to go.... Have a swell day! -- Kevin Benko "A poem: a story in meter or rhyme." "Ahh. 'There once was a man from Nantucket..'" "You've been talking to Garibaldi again, haven't you?" -- Delenn and Sinclair in Babylon 5:"The Gathering" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090428/fe759da3/attachment.pgp From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Tue Apr 28 15:43:41 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Tue Apr 28 15:43:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring Message-ID: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference if I do this sort of thing? Any advice appreciated. Dave From jfolsom at scl.utah.edu Tue Apr 28 15:52:57 2009 From: jfolsom at scl.utah.edu (Jeff Folsom) Date: Tue Apr 28 15:52:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <49F77AB9.3070607@scl.utah.edu> David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? > > Any advice appreciated. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > I'd say no, unless you're doing extensive POE or running power directly beside your Cat5e bundles. Jeff From fozz at xmission.com Tue Apr 28 15:57:29 2009 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Tue Apr 28 15:58:47 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <200904281557.30290.fozz@xmission.com> On Tuesday 28 April 2009 15:43:41 David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? You can bundle your Cat-5e cable just fine. If you must run networking cable parallel to your electrical cable, make sure it is at least 12 inches away. Try to cross networking and electrical cable at right angles. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "Have a happy new year -- or else you'll be sorry!" -- Seen with January on calendar for Japanese trading company From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 15:59:03 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Apr 28 15:59:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904281459h2f6038c8hada93fcc6cacf6e1@mail.gmail.com> I would suggest getting CMR rated cat5 from home depot or something. If part of this line is going go outside, I would then suggest CMX rated cat5 rated line. There is a chance there could be cross interference if you get too low rated line. Thanks, Justin On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM, David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. ?This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? ?Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? > > Any advice appreciated. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From cadec at linuxjunk.org Tue Apr 28 16:23:29 2009 From: cadec at linuxjunk.org (Cade Call) Date: Tue Apr 28 16:23:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <959080d60904281523h628f48d1o780524a5e93e27c5@mail.gmail.com> Bundling the Cat5E together is usually a good thing. Makes for a nice clean installation. EMI with each other shouldn't be a problem what you want to avoid is running parallel within a foot of any power lines or florescent lighting, avoid if you can. For most installations it isn't that big of deal. If you have to cross power lines cross perpendicular to them. Keep the runs as short as you can and you should be fine. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM, David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? > > Any advice appreciated. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090428/a4087b60/attachment.html From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 16:54:07 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Apr 28 16:54:14 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <49F7890F.4050509@gmail.com> David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? > > Any advice appreciated. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Looks like you've had some good advise given. I can only say that it's all good and definitely get the best cable you can find. You will appreciate it later if you upgrade your switches and nic's to gig. I did that recently and it was amusing when my wife transfered video files for a project she was working on in a fraction of the time. Instead of taking 40 minutes over a 100 Meg pipe it took around 3 minutes for the same files (more or less). She was soo shocked she was convinced there must have been a problem. :-) Yeah, I thought it was cute as well. Anyway, good luck with it. Believe me, Lan parties are a blast when you are all done or even days when you are sick in bed. It's nice plugging my laptop into my lan though I recommend getting rest when ill :-) From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 17:03:03 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Apr 28 17:03:12 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F78B27.6020308@gmail.com> Jeremy Bowen wrote: > > Obviously there are no right or wrong answers. > > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1994. My first copy was $20 for RedHat 4 and the guy freaked out saying he didn't want to support my hardware since I wasn't buying a system from him. I told the guy I didn't care I wanted to learn Linux. I was starting to learn HP-UX and Solaris at the time but wanted something at home to learn the basics. > > 2) What flavors have you used? RedHat, Suse, BSD, Debian, lately Ubuntu. > > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? Debian and Ubuntu are top on my list. I'm using Ubuntu personally at home for hard core gaming (WINE and Native games). > > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next > 3-5 years? I think people are deciding to stop paying the Microsoft Tax and learning there are awesome alternatives. > > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? Perhaps. I see more and more interest at work so you never know. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 17:29:33 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 28 17:29:38 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1240961373.6364.23.camel@jack-desktop> theoretically there is no problem running bundles of CAT5/6 cable. it is wise not to run them by any heavily magnetized source or heat. the CAT5/6 cables are twisted pairs and that is supposed to "shield" them from serious RFI. i would not run them by your ham radio station either, but only if you run high power. i have a ham radio station and have had no problems running CAT5 cables right behind my transmitter while operating both radio and computer. in fact my radio is partially computer controlled with no ill effects on either radio or computer while operating both at the same time. CAT5 cables run to the cable modem and switch right behind my radio in fact. all my internet connections including phone, computer and TV run from that modem right behind my radio. jack On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 15:43 -0600, David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? > > Any advice appreciated. > > Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Apr 28 17:30:19 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Apr 28 17:30:39 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F7918B.7080707@ridgecrestherbals.com> Jeremy Bowen wrote: > Obviously there are no right or wrong answers. Linux is (usually) the right answer. Except when it isn't. > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1994. > 2) What flavors have you used? SLS, Slackware, Yygdrasil, RH, SUSE, DSL, Knoppix, Gentoo, Ubuntu, several others. > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? M$, by sheer inertia. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? Moving into the cloud? Not really. But more and more web-based apps such that the desktop OS is largely irrelevant except on laptops. > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? No, because the screens are too small and the keyboards nearly useless. I've had a web-enabled cell phone for like 5 years now and rarely use the web features because they are painful. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 17:30:50 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 28 17:30:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49f705c2.1abd600a.1efa.047c@mx.google.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <49f705c2.1abd600a.1efa.047c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1240961450.6364.24.camel@jack-desktop> what kind of system does one need to run 64 bit? jack On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 07:26 -0600, Jared Bernard wrote: > > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? > > I started using Linux in April 2001 with Red Hat 7.0 but quickly moved to > Mandrake 8.0. > > > 2) What flavors have you used? > > I spent a long time with Mandrake/Mandriva up till version > 10, then spent some time with Suse, Mepis and finally Ubuntu. I love > trying out various distros, so I've tried literally hundreds. I currently > run Ubuntu Jaunty 64 bit on my main box and Crunchbang on my laptop, but I > also have a Debian Lenny (Kids computer) and a Slackware box. > > > > > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop systems > > in the next 3-5 years? > > Windows. > > > > > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > > years? > > I believe the economy is going to suck for a lot longer then most believe, > motivating people to hold on to their computers alot longer. If Windows > continues to bloat with every service pack and update, the general public > is going to get frustrated because they won't be as likely to upgrade > hardware and possibly look for an alternative. The bad economy will help > Linux, but MS will still have the majority market share. I think lower end > computing is the trend. We see evidence of this with the success of netbooks and > Microsoft's attempts to have a less resource hungry OS in Windows 7. > > > > > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? > > > no comment. > > > > Jared > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Apr 28 17:48:43 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Apr 28 17:48:51 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <49F795DB.1060102@ridgecrestherbals.com> Not an expert but in my experience: David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. Not a problem. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? Yes. 110v creates noise. Run the CAT5 separate. Also avoid fluorescent fixture ballasts. Phone wires are not near the problem 100v is, but I would not bundle with them either, to be safe. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From kwalker at kobran.org Tue Apr 28 18:09:34 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Tue Apr 28 18:10:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1240963774.3559.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 15:43 -0600, David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? What others said about keeping CAT cable away from electrical wiring is a good idea. EM interference is not fun to deal with. Low-voltage wires are fine together. As for running wires, yes, run several. Two or three where you would normally put one. You may use one of the other cables later. I can't count the number of times I've wished I had a second or third cable in a particular spot. Setting up little workgroup switches around the place is just wrong. And with more and more things being Ethernet and IP enabled, enough is not enough. -KW From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 19:16:39 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue Apr 28 19:16:52 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <200904281349.56556.benko.kevin@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <200904281349.56556.benko.kevin@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904281816r45e34776ue3369ffec04de8c1@mail.gmail.com> 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 2003 > 2) What flavors have you used? Debian, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Red Hat, RHEL, CentOS, Fedora Core, Slackware, Mandrake, Mandriva, SUSE (Novell) 9.3 +, Gentoo, Puppy Linux, Damn Small Linux, Xandros, Linspire, Freespire. Although, have to say, I love APT too damn much, so it's hard for me to leave the comfort zone of Debian and Ubuntu... :P 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop systems in the next ?3-5 years? Sadly, most likely Windows. However if Tux sneeks into Microsoft headquarters in Redmond and bombs the hell out of the place, killing all existance of Microsoft (the only sad part would be I love the XBOX too much, LOL. The irony!), then I'd probably say Ubuntu would probably lead the market. 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 years? I think cloud computing if it continues to be implemented right could make it's way into the household computer. Have a bare metal host OS, similar to the principle that ESX uses, but for desktops. However you wouldn't be running VM's on the systems, rather your OS would be rendered and executed over the internet, so everyone's data is secure, and no concern of end user data being lost, etc... Of course that would open up security risks as well that would also need to be addressed before such a thing could happen. Hate to be the black sheep on this one, but I just think cloud computing is the way to go if it is implemented right. This of course would need IPv6 in full force, as IPv4 just wouldn't have the capacity to do such a thing, as essentially every system would need a public IP. If it could be centralized, it would be easier for the systems to be managed, short of hardware maintenance. I'll probably get hell for this answer, but I can take it! :P 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone technology in the near future(3-5 years)? ?Why or why not? I am going to have to say no. The reason is, handhelds are just not as capable as a desktop or laptop. It has some handy functionality, but it just wouldn't fly. I know I myself would loose my mind always having to use T9 to type e-mails as opposed to a full sized QWERTY keyboard. I think I'd have to start a riot or lynch mob or something if that ever happened. From jared.bernard at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 19:58:26 2009 From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard) Date: Tue Apr 28 19:58:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <1240961450.6364.24.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <49f705c2.1abd600a.1efa.047c@mx.google.com> <1240961450.6364.24.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <49F7B442.2030601@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jack B. Friend wrote: > what kind of system does one need to run 64 bit? > > jack > > > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 07:26 -0600, Jared Bernard wrote: >> >>> 2) What flavors have you used? >> I spent a long time with Mandrake/Mandriva up till version >> 10, then spent some time with Suse, Mepis and finally Ubuntu. I love >> trying out various distros, so I've tried literally hundreds. I currently >> run Ubuntu Jaunty 64 bit on my main box and Crunchbang on my laptop, but I >> also have a Debian Lenny (Kids computer) and a Slackware box. Any Multi-core Processor or AMD 64 processor are 64 bit. Jared -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkn3tEEACgkQcEiH4kiKkQjlmwCfSc17yX7csID6fctibhxq7FzB JroAmwWveoKEMAjEAbCQa4aa2WMl4+oq =r5/w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfriend31 at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 20:14:53 2009 From: jfriend31 at comcast.net (Jack B. Friend) Date: Tue Apr 28 20:15:00 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F7B442.2030601@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <49f705c2.1abd600a.1efa.047c@mx.google.com> <1240961450.6364.24.camel@jack-desktop> <49F7B442.2030601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1240971293.8468.13.camel@jack-desktop> thank you, i had no idea what to look for. from the manual this ASUS P5L-MX fits that bill! jack On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 19:58 -0600, Jared Bernard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jack B. Friend wrote: > > what kind of system does one need to run 64 bit? > > > > jack > > > > > > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 07:26 -0600, Jared Bernard wrote: > >> > >>> 2) What flavors have you used? > >> I spent a long time with Mandrake/Mandriva up till version > >> 10, then spent some time with Suse, Mepis and finally Ubuntu. I love > >> trying out various distros, so I've tried literally hundreds. I currently > >> run Ubuntu Jaunty 64 bit on my main box and Crunchbang on my laptop, but I > >> also have a Debian Lenny (Kids computer) and a Slackware box. > Any Multi-core Processor or AMD 64 processor are 64 bit. > Jared > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkn3tEEACgkQcEiH4kiKkQjlmwCfSc17yX7csID6fctibhxq7FzB > JroAmwWveoKEMAjEAbCQa4aa2WMl4+oq > =r5/w > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From jon at jonfullmer.com Tue Apr 28 20:39:17 2009 From: jon at jonfullmer.com (Jon Fullmer) Date: Tue Apr 28 20:39:48 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904281816r45e34776ue3369ffec04de8c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <200904281349.56556.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <2f932a4a0904281816r45e34776ue3369ffec04de8c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1999 2) What flavors have you used? Debian, SuSE, SLES, OpenSuSE, RedHat, RHEL, Mandrake, Mandriva, Gentoo, Yellow Dog, LinuxFromScratch, and a variation combining LinuxFromScratch and DIYLinux that's really kind of my own flavor. Specialized in m68k and PPC distributions long before x86. 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop systems in the next 3-5 years? Mac OS X. Not necessarily the most popular, but certainly the leading. Call me a FanBoy, if you like, though I don't think I qualify. Apple has its hangups, but it continues to create the most pleasant human- interfacing computing experience. 4) What do you think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 years? Virtualization is certainly the buzzword of the day, but I'm not sure that this will play a huge role in desktop computing. There will always be a place for it for those who want to use a real operating system, but still have to use that one program requiring Windows (*sigh!*). I think we're going to see more and more applications online. In the beginning, the Internet was a place that you could acquire copies of data. Even the World Wide Web is an example if this strategy. I think we're moving much more toward the Internet as a streaming mechanism for data. I'm not sure I'm in favor of this, but I think that's where we're headed. 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone technology in the near future (3-5 years)? Why or why not? Replaced? No. The dominant platform? Quite possibly. There are those who would say that the handhelds are just not as capable as desktops or laptops. Currently that is true. Funny how the same arguments were made about laptops less than 10 years ago. Laptops are now the dominant hardware platform. Have they replaced the desktop? No. I see the same future for handhelds. As technology improves, and especially as user interfaces evolve, I think we'll be seeing a lot more handhelds in the future. - Jon > > > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? > > Sadly, most likely Windows. However if Tux sneeks into Microsoft > headquarters in Redmond and bombs the hell out of the place, killing > all existance of Microsoft (the only sad part would be I love the XBOX > too much, LOL. The irony!), then I'd probably say Ubuntu would > probably lead the market. > > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next > 3-5 years? > > I think cloud computing if it continues to be implemented right > could make it's way into the household computer. Have a bare metal > host OS, similar to the principle that ESX uses, but for desktops. > However you wouldn't be running VM's on the systems, rather your OS > would be rendered and executed over the internet, so everyone's data > is secure, and no concern of end user data being lost, etc... Of > course that would open up security risks as well that would also need > to be addressed before such a thing could happen. > > Hate to be the black sheep on this one, but I just think cloud > computing is the way to go if it is implemented right. This of course > would need IPv6 in full force, as IPv4 just wouldn't have the capacity > to do such a thing, as essentially every system would need a public > IP. > > If it could be centralized, it would be easier for the systems to be > managed, short of hardware maintenance. I'll probably get hell for > this answer, but I can take it! :P > > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? > > I am going to have to say no. The reason is, handhelds are just > not as capable as a desktop or laptop. It has some handy > functionality, but it just wouldn't fly. I know I myself would loose > my mind always having to use T9 to type e-mails as opposed to a full > sized QWERTY keyboard. I think I'd have to start a riot or lynch mob > or something if that ever happened. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090428/d4bab198/attachment.htm From fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net Tue Apr 28 21:00:04 2009 From: fyyht at punchcutter.ml1.net (David J Iannucci) Date: Tue Apr 28 21:00:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1240974004.6703.1312833803@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thanks for the great advice, everybody. Dave From bmidgley at xmission.com Tue Apr 28 21:14:45 2009 From: bmidgley at xmission.com (Brad Midgley) Date: Tue Apr 28 21:14:58 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: mythtv vs. comcast In-Reply-To: <148f6bb30903091317j59e4283ei26776b3b7050f9f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903081900.n28J05n5012726@sllug.org> <49B53A69.8090903@iomega.com> <49B54BEE.2020805@azza.com> <90cf3c3d0903091023t164f9a51m57777e9bf27335cd@mail.gmail.com> <6eed9f340f42b31b135992e8f7045a82.squirrel@jeremyshop.com> <49B574ED.3080208@azza.com> <148f6bb30903091317j59e4283ei26776b3b7050f9f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F7C625.9030007@xmission.com> Matt > I run a HDHomerun box and capture over the air. I found that I can > offload a lot of the cpu load to the GPU for MPEG2 by using XVMC on my > cheapo Nvidia cards. With two completely different mythtv front end machines, I was getting unacceptable flicker (one flicker about every 3 seconds) when using xvmc. It only happens on some streams. Both machines were displaying on the same 1360x768 tv. I read in the myth setup screens a warning that xvmc may not be good with hd. Is this what they meant? For now I've disabled xvmc and upgraded to a machine with pci-e so the computer can keep up without xvmc. btw, after downgrading to locals-only cable and replacing the comcast hd receiver with my myth box, it seems that kued has a lot fewer mpeg artifacts. nice. Brad From charles at infoplatter.com Tue Apr 28 21:19:07 2009 From: charles at infoplatter.com (Charles Johnston) Date: Tue Apr 28 21:19:17 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <49F7C72B.3090505@infoplatter.com> David J Iannucci wrote: > I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about > whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, > side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" > (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them > side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference > if I do this sort of thing? > > Any advice appreciated. > > Dave Just one last point of advice... Make sure when you put connectors or punch-down, that you order the wires correctly thus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIA-568B#Wiring That will make sure that the inverted signals are actually sent across the twisted pair. I'm sorry if this seems elementary to some out there, but I've actually run into cable that somebody just shoved the wires in random order, and just made sure they were the same on the other end. Obviously, the color of the wires doesn't really matter in the end, but the signals pairs do. That's where the whole magic of maintaining signal integrity comes into play. Charles From matt at frozenatom.com Wed Apr 29 07:06:47 2009 From: matt at frozenatom.com (Matt Nelson) Date: Wed Apr 29 07:36:20 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <49F77AB9.3070607@scl.utah.edu> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> <49F77AB9.3070607@scl.utah.edu> Message-ID: <148f6bb30904290606v61c1f200k3714ddef704340d8@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Jeff Folsom wrote: > David J Iannucci wrote: > >> I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about >> whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, >> side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" >> (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them >> side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference >> if I do this sort of thing? >> >> Any advice appreciated. >> >> Dave >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> >> > I'd say no, unless you're doing extensive POE or running power directly > beside your Cat5e bundles. > > Jeff > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > Running cat5 in bundles is fine in parallel. If you run cat5e, or any low-voltage cable, parallel to power the rule of thumb that I use is to keep it at least a foot away at a minimum, and if you need to cross power cables, do it at 90 degree's. This is the same concept that a properly cabled datacenter uses; the backs of the racks have power down one side, and low voltage cables down the other, approximatly 19+" away from each other. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I found that I can > > offload a lot of the cpu load to the GPU for MPEG2 by using XVMC on my > > cheapo Nvidia cards. > > With two completely different mythtv front end machines, I was getting > unacceptable flicker (one flicker about every 3 seconds) when using > xvmc. It only happens on some streams. Both machines were displaying on > the same 1360x768 tv. > > I read in the myth setup screens a warning that xvmc may not be good > with hd. Is this what they meant? > > For now I've disabled xvmc and upgraded to a machine with pci-e so the > computer can keep up without xvmc. > > btw, after downgrading to locals-only cable and replacing the comcast hd > receiver with my myth box, it seems that kued has a lot fewer mpeg > artifacts. nice. > > Brad > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > Good to hear Brad. I was running some slower hardware prior, in which xvmc helped drop the load considerably, to a point where I could watch hdtv transport streams. I have since upgraded my hardware but set it to use xvmc off the bat. Since you seam to be working fine without, I think I might turn it off and see how it runs now. 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090429/024c5fa5/attachment-0001.htm From matt at frozenatom.com Wed Apr 29 07:35:44 2009 From: matt at frozenatom.com (Matt Nelson) Date: Wed Apr 29 08:07:05 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <148f6bb30904290606v61c1f200k3714ddef704340d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> <49F77AB9.3070607@scl.utah.edu> <148f6bb30904290606v61c1f200k3714ddef704340d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <148f6bb30904290635u48e9d39qe70df3ac6673150d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Matt Nelson wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Jeff Folsom wrote: > >> David J Iannucci wrote: >> >>> I'm about to do some Cat5E wiring in my house, and I'm curious about >>> whether I need to be concerned about running several lines in a bundle, >>> side-by-side. This is plain Cat5E - not particularly "shielded" >>> (AFAIK). For that matter, should I worry about running them >>> side-by-side with electrical wires? Will there be intereference >>> if I do this sort of thing? >>> >>> Any advice appreciated. >>> >>> Dave >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >>> >> I'd say no, unless you're doing extensive POE or running power directly >> beside your Cat5e bundles. >> >> Jeff >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > > Running cat5 in bundles is fine in parallel. If you run cat5e, or any > low-voltage cable, parallel to power the rule of thumb that I use is to keep > it at least a foot away at a minimum, and if you need to cross power cables, > do it at 90 degree's. > > This is the same concept that a properly cabled datacenter uses; the backs > of the racks have power down one side, and low voltage cables down the > other, approximatly 19+" away from each other. > > > Oops forgot to refresh my inbox before replying, haha, at least I was giving the same response as everyone else. Now if only we could get Digis to read this thread. When they installed their wireless service in my parrents house they ran the cat5e cable alongside the supply line for the house with zip ties, and wondered why the wireless kept dropping out every few minutes. I went down in the basement and saw this and could not believe my eyes. Moved the wire problem solved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090429/9ad31630/attachment.html From zspecialk at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 09:50:46 2009 From: zspecialk at gmail.com (Scott K) Date: Wed Apr 29 09:50:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <49F795DB.1060102@ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> <49F795DB.1060102@ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <90cf3c3d0904290850p897ebdxe4420fa758a1e95e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Matt Warnock wrote: > Yes. ?110v creates noise. ?Run the CAT5 separate. ?Also avoid fluorescent > fixture ballasts. ?Phone wires are not near the problem 100v is, but I would > not bundle with them either, to be safe. Phone wires? All the cabling in my parents new house is CAT5, runs bundled together to the switch box and the designation of a phone port is determine by popping the cable out of the ethernet switch and dropping it into a POTS patch board. >From a signaling perspective, the other twisted pair of wire would absorb some of the noise while the shielding should catch more of it. My biggest concern would be the ringing phase, since that involves ~100V AC, whereas just being off the hook is negligible 48V DC. Since ethernet runs around 2.5V (spec-ed 2.2-2.8), there will probably be a few dropped frames for a phone ring along the same full ethernet run. Power over Ethernet operates similar to the telephone with about 48V DC and 2.5 V total differential signaling on top of that. As for other noise problems, I'm pretty careful about keeping my VGA cables away from power cords too. It makes my large analog CRT behave much nicer. Scott From kwalker at kobran.org Wed Apr 29 10:29:31 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Wed Apr 29 10:30:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241022571.3597.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 00:31 -0600, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1996 Seriously since 1998. > 2) What flavors have you used? CentOS Debian Fedora (i386, x86_64, and PPC) Gentoo (Stage 1 just for kicks) Knoppix Maemo OpenEmbedded OpenWRT OpenZaurus Red Hat Slackware SuSE Ubuntu Yellow Dog > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? Not sure I can answer that question. "Leading OS of choice" for whom? Average users? Elitists? Geeks? Me personally? I come up with different answers for each group. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next > 3-5 years? In this state/country or world-wide? Assuming you mean "locally", my answer is: More mobile than it is now, but not so much as in other countries. Most everyone I know who doesn't already have a laptop wants one, but that seems to be the extent of it. Unlike others, I'm not sure 'cloud computing' is the future. For some certainly, but not everyone wants "their" data residing on a server controlled by someone else. Also, most internet connections aren't fast enough to really take advantage of that yet. And if the current pace of broadband deployment is any indication, it's going to be more than 3-5 years before that changes. > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? Replaced, no. Augmented, sure. Gmail, Yahoo Mail, and Hotmail are available on most smartphones. But again, bandwidth is an issue. However with 3G finally becoming a priority for mobile phone companies, this may be less of an issue in the next 3-5 years, though it will still lag fixed-position Internet service. -KW From ehrbar at lists.econ.utah.edu Wed Apr 29 11:14:44 2009 From: ehrbar at lists.econ.utah.edu (ehrbar) Date: Wed Apr 29 11:15:06 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> (message from Jeremy Bowen on Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:31:08 -0600) References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, I am econ prof at the U, dabbling in specific programs and otherwise relying on the magic of dpkg/apt-get/aptitude In the past years Microsoft has become another order of magnitude more disgusting to me because at the College of Social and Behavioral Sciences no longer have control over our computers in our offices. I only have pity for my colleagues who can no longer install software on their computers without help of their system administrators. > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1995, but switched from dos to unix in 1991 (courteousy Math Department and Nelson Beebe). > 2) What flavors have you used? Debian, Ubuntu > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? Linux will win out in the end, because in the long run, open source and open data formats are indispensable. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? People will not only want their documents on their computers, but also their financial and medical records. They will want to program their homes for energy efficiency (smart grid, smart appliances). They will have videoconferences on their computers. They will use their computers for telecommuting. > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? No, because of the expansion of the desktop just described. > This survey is completely independent and is more of a curiosity for me > than anything else. > > Thanks! > > Jeremy Bowen Thank you! Hans. Hans G. Ehrbar http://www.econ.utah.edu/~ehrbar ehrbar@economics.utah.edu Economics Department, University of Utah (801) 581 7797 (my office) 1645 Campus Center Dr., Rm 308 (801) 581 7481 (econ office) Salt Lake City UT 84112-9300 (801) 585 5649 (FAX) From unum at unum5.org Wed Apr 29 11:50:43 2009 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Wed Apr 29 11:50:55 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F72A81.9090004@unum5.org> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <49F72A81.9090004@unum5.org> Message-ID: <49F89373.8070709@unum5.org> Kyle Waters wrote: > >> >> 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next >> 3-5 years? > > More cloud based systems like the netbooks(which honestly scares me > and is not for me). You've got to hand it to those Sun guys they > predicted the future 30 years out, and completely failed to benefit > from it :). > http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/04/unfair_and_dece.html This talks about why the cloud scares me. I do own a netbook which I love. I just run my own cloud. Kyle From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 29 11:53:47 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 29 11:53:57 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Home wiring In-Reply-To: <90cf3c3d0904290850p897ebdxe4420fa758a1e95e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1240955021.15665.1312795477@webmail.messagingengine.com> <49F795DB.1060102@ridgecrestherbals.com> <90cf3c3d0904290850p897ebdxe4420fa758a1e95e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F8942B.40907@ridgecrestherbals.com> Scott K wrote: >>From a signaling perspective, the other twisted pair of wire would > absorb some of the noise while the shielding should catch more of it. > My biggest concern would be the ringing phase, since that involves > ~100V AC, whereas just being off the hook is negligible 48V DC. Since > ethernet runs around 2.5V (spec-ed 2.2-2.8), there will probably be a > few dropped frames for a phone ring along the same full ethernet run. > Power over Ethernet operates similar to the telephone with about 48V > DC and 2.5 V total differential signaling on top of that. Exactly the issue I was concerned about. The POTS ring signal is 24v, IIRC, but is an on/off (or possibly polarity reversing) pattern that would be likely (in my limited knowledge) to make for some interference. Of course, it doesn't ring all the time. If I have the option, I'd run separate, but I wouldn't worry about it near like the 110v. POE is DC constant, IIRC, so wouldn't cause the same RF issues. -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From jon at jonfullmer.com Wed Apr 29 17:55:23 2009 From: jon at jonfullmer.com (Jon Fullmer) Date: Wed Apr 29 17:56:24 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <2f932a4a0904281816r45e34776ue3369ffec04de8c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <200904281349.56556.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <2f932a4a0904281816r45e34776ue3369ffec04de8c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78C2E80E-93BF-45E7-BBDF-844245500E67@jonfullmer.com> 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1999 2) What flavors have you used? Debian, SuSE, SLES, OpenSuSE, RedHat, RHEL, Mandrake, Mandriva, Gentoo, Yellow Dog, LinuxFromScratch, and a variation combining LinuxFromScratch and DIYLinux that's really kind of my own flavor. Specialized in m68k and PPC distributions long before x86. 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop systems in the next 3-5 years? Mac OS X. Not necessarily the most popular, but certainly the leading. Call me a FanBoy, if you like, though I don't think I qualify. Apple has its hangups, but it continues to create the most pleasant human- interfacing computing experience. 4) What do you think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 years? Virtualization is certainly the buzzword of the day, but I'm not sure that this will play a huge role in desktop computing. There will always be a place for it for those who want to use a real operating system, but still have to use that one program requiring Windows (*sigh!*). I think we're going to see more and more applications online. In the beginning, the Internet was a place that you could acquire copies of data. Even the World Wide Web is an example if this strategy. I think we're moving much more toward the Internet as a streaming mechanism for data. I'm not sure I'm in favor of this, but I think that's where we're headed. 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone technology in the near future (3-5 years)? Why or why not? Replaced? No. The dominant platform? Quite possibly. There are those who would say that the handhelds are just not as capable as desktops or laptops. Currently that is true. Funny how the same arguments were made about laptops less than 10 years ago. Laptops are now the dominant hardware platform. Have they replaced the desktop? No. I see the same future for handhelds. As technology improves, and especially as user interfaces evolve, I think we'll be seeing a lot more handhelds in the future. - Jon > > > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next 3-5 years? > > Sadly, most likely Windows. However if Tux sneeks into Microsoft > headquarters in Redmond and bombs the hell out of the place, killing > all existance of Microsoft (the only sad part would be I love the XBOX > too much, LOL. The irony!), then I'd probably say Ubuntu would > probably lead the market. > > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next > 3-5 years? > > I think cloud computing if it continues to be implemented right > could make it's way into the household computer. Have a bare metal > host OS, similar to the principle that ESX uses, but for desktops. > However you wouldn't be running VM's on the systems, rather your OS > would be rendered and executed over the internet, so everyone's data > is secure, and no concern of end user data being lost, etc... Of > course that would open up security risks as well that would also need > to be addressed before such a thing could happen. > > Hate to be the black sheep on this one, but I just think cloud > computing is the way to go if it is implemented right. This of course > would need IPv6 in full force, as IPv4 just wouldn't have the capacity > to do such a thing, as essentially every system would need a public > IP. > > If it could be centralized, it would be easier for the systems to be > managed, short of hardware maintenance. I'll probably get hell for > this answer, but I can take it! :P > > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? > > I am going to have to say no. The reason is, handhelds are just > not as capable as a desktop or laptop. It has some handy > functionality, but it just wouldn't fly. I know I myself would loose > my mind always having to use T9 to type e-mails as opposed to a full > sized QWERTY keyboard. I think I'd have to start a riot or lynch mob > or something if that ever happened. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From sllug at fungusmovies.com Wed Apr 29 16:34:11 2009 From: sllug at fungusmovies.com (Lonnie Olson) Date: Wed Apr 29 18:03:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bcade370904291534g38ad22dj29a551039cf428a1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Jeremy Bowen wrote: > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? 1996 > 2) What flavors have you used? Nearly every flavor I hear about. List too big to mention here. Favorites: Debian/Ubuntu Fedora/RedHat > 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop > systems in the next? 3-5 years? Sad to say, but still Windows. Mac will gain big share in that time, possibly getting to 25% or so. And Linux will slowly, steadily increase too. > 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 > years? No big changes, more of the same, bigger hard drives, faster CPUs, more memory, more laptops, etc. > 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone > technology in the near future(3-5 years)?? Why or why not? Replaced, No. But mobile computing will grow wildly. However it won't replace for at least a decade or more. --lonnie From u235sentinel at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 18:26:32 2009 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Wed Apr 29 18:26:50 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: How to limit daily desktop usage... In-Reply-To: <78C2E80E-93BF-45E7-BBDF-844245500E67@jonfullmer.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <200904281349.56556.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <2f932a4a0904281816r45e34776ue3369ffec04de8c1@mail.gmail.com> <78C2E80E-93BF-45E7-BBDF-844245500E67@jonfullmer.com> Message-ID: <49F8F038.20800@gmail.com> So... I have an unusual problem. My @#$%^& kids are all going to jail someday. They figure out their password (greater than 8 characters long btw) and were using the computer at times they weren't supposed to. So, after physically taking their computers I'm looking at how I can shove a stick up their creative butts and wanted to share what I've found so far. For windows (yeah they are multiboot) http://www.downloadthat.com/windows/Family/Child-Care-Tools/QualityTime_screenshot.html I'm checking this out. Seems to allow me to limit which days and hours they can get in. Even limit how MUCH time in a day they can use a computer. Perfect! For linux I'm messing around with the pam time module. At least I can use that to limit what days/hours they can login but for time used I'm thinking of something like timekeeper or even timeoutd http://www.91courtstreet.net/wordpress/2008/02/03/how-to-limit-daily-desktop-usage-in-ubuntu/ http://skindley.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/fedora-core-6-controlling-logins-by-time/ http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/timeoutd.htm http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=449344 At least if they do it again they will be locked into what we agreed with... regardless of what they decide when I'm not around :-) Just in case there are any other parents who want to restrict how much time their kids mess around on the computer. It wouldn't kill them to go out and play now and then :-) Oh and what were they doing? Either playing Counterstrike Source AFTER I went to bed or Unreal Tournament 2004 in Linux. UT2004 btw is totally awesome. I love the onslaught mode and have downloaded the dedicated server pack. I'm looking at starting up my own server to play with a few friends over our DSL line. Yeah I know, 2 or 3 players tops I'm thinking. Someday God will bless West Jordan with something that isn't Concast or Qwest. From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Wed Apr 29 19:03:45 2009 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Wed Apr 29 19:03:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: How to limit daily desktop usage... In-Reply-To: <49F8F038.20800@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <200904281349.56556.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <2f932a4a0904281816r45e34776ue3369ffec04de8c1@mail.gmail.com> <78C2E80E-93BF-45E7-BBDF-844245500E67@jonfullmer.com> <49F8F038.20800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F8F8F1.3080403@ridgecrestherbals.com> Heres what I did (my kids are older now). Set up a linux firewall that routes all home traffic, and shut that down with a cron job when they are supposed to be in bed. Problem solved. Now if they hack the server, get them jobs in security. u235sentinel wrote: > So... I have an unusual problem. > > My @#$%^& kids are all going to jail someday. They figure out their > password (greater than 8 characters long btw) and were using the > computer at times they weren't supposed to. So, after physically taking > their computers I'm looking at how I can shove a stick up their creative > butts and wanted to share what I've found so far. > > For windows (yeah they are multiboot) > > http://www.downloadthat.com/windows/Family/Child-Care-Tools/QualityTime_screenshot.html > > > I'm checking this out. Seems to allow me to limit which days and hours > they can get in. Even limit how MUCH time in a day they can use a > computer. Perfect! > > > For linux I'm messing around with the pam time module. At least I can > use that to limit what days/hours they can login but for time used I'm > thinking of something like timekeeper or even timeoutd > > http://www.91courtstreet.net/wordpress/2008/02/03/how-to-limit-daily-desktop-usage-in-ubuntu/ > > > http://skindley.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/fedora-core-6-controlling-logins-by-time/ > > > http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/timeoutd.htm > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=449344 > > At least if they do it again they will be locked into what we agreed > with... regardless of what they decide when I'm not around :-) > > Just in case there are any other parents who want to restrict how much > time their kids mess around on the computer. It wouldn't kill them to > go out and play now and then :-) > > > > > > Oh and what were they doing? > > Either playing Counterstrike Source AFTER I went to bed or Unreal > Tournament 2004 in Linux. UT2004 btw is totally awesome. I love the > onslaught mode and have downloaded the dedicated server pack. I'm > looking at starting up my own server to play with a few friends over our > DSL line. Yeah I know, 2 or 3 players tops I'm thinking. > > Someday God will bless West Jordan with something that isn't Concast or > Qwest. > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. From kwalker at kobran.org Wed Apr 29 19:19:52 2009 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Wed Apr 29 19:19:54 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: How to limit daily desktop usage... Message-ID: <1241054392.30002.5.camel@Nokia-N810-43-7> [snip] > Just in case there are any other parents who want to restrict how much > time their kids mess around on the computer.? It wouldn't kill them to > go out and play now and then :-) [snip] What I ended up doing was writing a couple of cronjobs that run on the home server. First runs at bedtime and blocks his computer's IP from talking to the Internet. Second reverses the first and runs after he leaves for school. It's really done the trick and there's no way around it since his login to the server has no special privs. I tell ya though, I was flabbergasted when I was doing a routine audit of my network (read: why the hell is the internet connection slammed?) And found him downloading a WoW patch to his Linux-only PC. He'd figured out how to install it in Wine. He's 10 and has practically no Windows experience since we don't have it installed anywhere at home; he barely knows what an .exe file is. -KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090429/4d7d8c94/attachment.htm From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 20:31:41 2009 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Wed Apr 29 20:31:44 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <1241022571.3597.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> <1241022571.3597.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0904291931h2e96bd9fqb1d6235f83e50c09@mail.gmail.com> I didn't even think of mentioning OpenWRT, LOL That's what I use on my WRT54G v4. Good ol' Kamikaze. Even gives you the drink recipe everytime you SSH into it, it's awesome! Anyway, thought I'd through that in there... :P On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Knight Walker wrote: > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 00:31 -0600, Jeremy Bowen wrote: >> 1) What year did you start working with Linux? > > 1996 Seriously since 1998. > >> 2) What flavors have you used? > > CentOS > Debian > Fedora (i386, x86_64, and PPC) > Gentoo (Stage 1 just for kicks) > Knoppix > Maemo > OpenEmbedded > OpenWRT > OpenZaurus > Red Hat > Slackware > SuSE > Ubuntu > Yellow Dog > >> 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop >> systems in the next ?3-5 years? > > Not sure I can answer that question. "Leading OS of choice" for whom? > Average users? Elitists? Geeks? Me personally? I come up with different > answers for each group. > >> 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next >> 3-5 years? > > In this state/country or world-wide? Assuming you mean "locally", my > answer is: More mobile than it is now, but not so much as in other > countries. Most everyone I know who doesn't already have a laptop wants > one, but that seems to be the extent of it. Unlike others, I'm not sure > 'cloud computing' is the future. For some certainly, but not everyone > wants "their" data residing on a server controlled by someone else. > Also, most internet connections aren't fast enough to really take > advantage of that yet. And if the current pace of broadband deployment > is any indication, it's going to be more than 3-5 years before that > changes. > >> 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone >> technology in the near future(3-5 years)? ?Why or why not? > > Replaced, no. Augmented, sure. Gmail, Yahoo Mail, and Hotmail are > available on most smartphones. But again, bandwidth is an issue. However > with 3G finally becoming a priority for mobile phone companies, this may > be less of an issue in the next 3-5 years, though it will still lag > fixed-position Internet service. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From jeremy at worrells.org Thu Apr 30 07:28:26 2009 From: jeremy at worrells.org (Jeremy Worrells) Date: Thu Apr 30 16:15:36 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Quick Survey In-Reply-To: <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> <200904271621.27649.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <200904271959.13917.benko.kevin@gmail.com> <49F6A2AC.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7980118b0904300628p2b6edf7j1a692b7a93f2d675@mail.gmail.com> > > 1) What year did you start working with Linux? > 1995 - At the encouraging of a co-worker (thanks Martin!) I went to a local computer show and picked up the "Linux Developers Resource" - a set of 6 CDs. I still have those CDs. 2) What flavors have you used? Slackware, Redhat, Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Knoppix STD, CentOS, Fedora - My favorite remains Debian. 3) Which OS do you think will be the leading OS of choice for desktop systems in the next 3-5 years? Unfortunately, Microsoft has a lot of political clout. Schools teach Microsoft. Large businesses consider it a "safe" IT decision. The government has policies that virtually lock the desktops to Microsoft products. It sucks, but it's reality. 4) What do think the future of desktop computing will be in the next 3-5 years? Desktop computing? I think that the status quo will be maintained. MS will continue to produce mediocre versions of Windows that will fail to ignite anyone's imagination. OSX and Linux will continue to make small inroads, but will not achieve their deserved equal shares of the desktop market. 5) Will desktop computing be replaced by hand held mobile cell phone technology in the near future(3-5 years)? Why or why not? Nah. Not replaced. For certain users who only want entertainment, hand-held computing will continue to develop new and interesting ways of capturing the attention (and dollars) of the mindless. I think that always-on, ubiquitous network connections are inevitable but not just in the handheld space. I envision a world where personal Internet connections like DSL and Cable will become rare as everything gets a cellular-like connection to the Internet. Jeremy Worrells -- Jeremy Worrells jeremy.worrells@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090430/e1dc4053/attachment.htm From afa5cfq at msn.com Wed Apr 15 09:46:46 2009 From: afa5cfq at msn.com (JERRY W STEWART) Date: Tue May 12 13:54:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: cdrom2 In-Reply-To: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop><1239766220.8623.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1239767308.24842.8.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1239762928.24842.6.camel@jack-desktop><1239766220.8623.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1239767308.24842.8.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: There are utilites at u3.com that will remove the u3 function thereby, making your device a standard flash drive. If you decide to restore it to the U3 function they have a utility for that also. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack B. Friend To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: cdrom2 i agree, thanks, jack On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 21:30 -0600, Knight Walker wrote: > On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 20:35 -0600, Jack B. Friend wrote: > > i have a cdrom2 icon on my Gnome desktop. no cd is in either drive? the > > contents are autorun.inf LaunchPad.zip and LaunchU3.exe which take 5.4 > > MB zero bytes free. i have no such animal except in a Windows file > > possibly. those files sound like something preloaded on a USB drive. the > > 4.1 GB USB drive also has LaunchU3.exe but no autorun or Launchpad.? > > can someone explain this please? > > jack > > You have a "U3" USB device plugged in. These devices have a "virtual > CD-ROM" that contains Windows software on them that gets auto-installed > and auto-run when the drive is inserted. This software gives you extra > options and abilities in Windows, such as encryption and some Portable > Apps, I believe. None of these will do much on your Ubuntu box. > > -KW > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20090415/7da89f4f/attachment.html From fozz at iodynamics.com Sat Apr 25 13:52:34 2009 From: fozz at iodynamics.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Tue May 12 13:54:30 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: Linux and Video Editing In-Reply-To: <49F33D2D.801@azza.com> References: <49F33D2D.801@azza.com> Message-ID: <200904251327.35075.fozz@iodynamics.com> On Saturday 25 April 2009 10:41:17 Matthew Hatch wrote: > So over the past few days I've been pulling some video off of my > camcorder in preparation to put on a DVD, but I really don't want to use > Windows to do it. So far I have had good luck with dvgrab (I love that > program), but it doesn't do much more than just dumping the video. Kino > works to an extent, but it crashes all too often. Linux video editing is still a young realm. Kino, when it works, works well, as you mentioned. Some other apps you may want to look at: - avidemux2 - kdenlive - cinelerra As for me, I still keep Windows around for the serious video editing projects. -- fozz@iodynamics.com is Doran L. "Fozz" Barton "Please arrange for pee-pee stop en route." -- Memo sent inside Japanese company in London From fozz at iodynamics.com Mon Apr 27 15:38:13 2009 From: fozz at iodynamics.com (Doran L. "Fozz" Barton) Date: Tue May 12 13:54:31 2009 Subject: [sllug-members]: background In-Reply-To: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> References: <1240865914.15592.12.camel@jack-desktop> Message-ID: <200904271538.13624.fozz@iodynamics.com> On Monday 27 April 2009 14:58:34 Jack B. Friend wrote: > Does a program exist that will toggle among backgrounds in Linux, > particularly Ubuntu 8.10? i have a few photos i would love to see that > way. I do this in KDE and it's really easy to set up. -- fozz@iodynamics.com is Doran L. "Fozz" Barton "You could use the lavoratory please." -- Sign outside a restroom in Japan