From bmidgley at xmission.com Sat Nov 1 10:13:16 2008 From: bmidgley at xmission.com (Brad Midgley) Date: Sat Nov 1 09:39:32 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Intrepid Ibex In-Reply-To: <200810301704.24717.vi@dubbayou.com> References: <861615.34294.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200810301704.24717.vi@dubbayou.com> Message-ID: <490C8E2C.8080803@xmission.com> Hey I've been wanting a longer-running laptop with stuff like webcam, bt2.0, ssd, etc so I got an eee 1000 40g in time to put 8.10 on it straight away. I'd heard 8.10 should support this model well, but the support is probably similar to what 8.04 would have given me. Things I like Suspend is very quick and reliable webcam, bluetooth just work if enabled in the bios first ralink wifi wasn't too tough to use; had to build/install rt2860 module stuff that is a pain the keyboard is not as comfortable to use as I had hoped the up key is right where the right-shift should be network manager doesn't see the wireless ra0 interface (yet) I don't have mic input working (yet) keys sometimes repeat sometimes I tap a key/mouse and nothing happens for several seconds Now I have mixed feelings about "upgrading" from my little fujitsu p1510d machine... I would give the next p16xx model a try if it weren't three to four times the price of new mini laptops like the eee.. Brad From christer.edwards at ubuntu.com Sat Nov 1 10:29:31 2008 From: christer.edwards at ubuntu.com (Christer Edwards) Date: Sat Nov 1 09:57:05 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Intrepid Ibex In-Reply-To: <490C8E2C.8080803@xmission.com> References: <861615.34294.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200810301704.24717.vi@dubbayou.com> <490C8E2C.8080803@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20081101172931.GE90953@parkman.zelut.org> Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC for tips on getting things running properly. Christer On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 11:13:16AM -0600, Brad Midgley wrote: > Hey > > I've been wanting a longer-running laptop with stuff like webcam, bt2.0, > ssd, etc so I got an eee 1000 40g in time to put 8.10 on it straight > away. I'd heard 8.10 should support this model well, but the support is > probably similar to what 8.04 would have given me. > > Things I like > > Suspend is very quick and reliable > webcam, bluetooth just work if enabled in the bios first > ralink wifi wasn't too tough to use; had to build/install rt2860 module > > stuff that is a pain > > the keyboard is not as comfortable to use as I had hoped > the up key is right where the right-shift should be > network manager doesn't see the wireless ra0 interface (yet) > I don't have mic input working (yet) > keys sometimes repeat > sometimes I tap a key/mouse and nothing happens for several seconds > > Now I have mixed feelings about "upgrading" from my little fujitsu > p1510d machine... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081103/ba9ba9db/attachment.htm From remo at italy1.com Mon Nov 3 06:56:24 2008 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Mon Nov 3 07:22:33 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: FS: Gateway 980 Xeon 3.0 Ghz Server - $350 In-Reply-To: <5ea2aae70811030107v29c2bf2exfac906b60272b1a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is this a 1u server? Travis & Melody Fisher On 11/3/08 3:07 AM, "Travis & Melody Fisher" wrote: > I've got a Gateway 980 server that I don't use much anymore. I need to find it > a new home. Here's the specs: > > Xeon 3.0 Ghz Dual processor motherboard. It only has one processor but a > second one one is only about $30. I have the second voltage regulator. > 1GB ECC RAM > 5x 36GB SCSI drive in RAID, about 170GB > dual power supplies > > > If you have any questions let me know. > > Thanks! > > Travis > 801-879-8381 > !DSPAM:490ec08c259481336712104! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:490ec08c259481336712104! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081103/419cc4e0/attachment.htm From travis.fisher at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 08:07:13 2008 From: travis.fisher at gmail.com (Travis & Melody Fisher) Date: Mon Nov 3 07:33:13 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: FS: Gateway 980 Xeon 3.0 Ghz Server - $350 In-Reply-To: References: <5ea2aae70811030107v29c2bf2exfac906b60272b1a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ea2aae70811030707r42137960n8f353252bc7956b8@mail.gmail.com> No, it's larger. It could be rack mounted with different hardware but I don't have have the hardware. You can see a picture of it here: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=4690442&cat= On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Remo Mattei wrote: > Is this a 1u server? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see a picture of it here: > > http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=4690442&cat= > > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Remo Mattei wrote: >> Is this a 1u server? >> > > !DSPAM:490f143d12111410093335! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:490f143d12111410093335! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see a picture of it here: > > http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=4690442&cat= > > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Remo Mattei wrote: >> Is this a 1u server? >> > > !DSPAM:490f143d12111410093335! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:490f143d12111410093335! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081103/08947e0a/attachment.htm From ricardo.slacker at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 09:58:39 2008 From: ricardo.slacker at gmail.com (Shane Hansen) Date: Mon Nov 3 09:24:44 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Intrepid Ibex (was: Re: sllug-members Digest, Vol 50, Issue 27) In-Reply-To: <200810301702.06485.parepidemos@xmission.com> References: <861615.34294.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200810301702.06485.parepidemos@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1225731519.12553.26.camel@ricky-shaw> My upgrade didn't go so well. My wireless stopped working. The gnome NetworkManager applet only detected the loopback interface although ifconfig detected both ethernet and wireless. I had to switch to Wicd [http://wicd.sourceforge.net/] which has always worked for me when NetworkManager flakes out as it often does. I work in a corporate environment, so I use evolution (I've tried thunderbird and claws mail, and may go back to them). When I started up Evolution after the upgrade, I was presented with progress dialog which showed my mail database (or at least some portion of it) being converted to sqlite (because we all love storing all our mail in 1 file just like outlook). I won't bore you with the details, but evolution has been incredibly flaky since the upgrade. The silver lining is that my searches are now extremely fast, orders of magnitude faster than before evolution switched to using sqlite. Fast search is important when I'm getting bugzilla reports and git commit messages all day long. Overall, I might have been better off tarring up my mail and firefox profiles and dumping them into a clean 8.10 install. On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 17:02 -0600, Richard Nadeau wrote: > On Thursday 30 October 2008 13:35:16 Steve Hildebrand wrote: > > Hey, Intrepid Ibex is out! > > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download > > > > I've been running the Kubuntu incarnation since the last beta on my T60 (Intel > Core2 T7200, Intel 3945 wireless, Intel 82573L Ethernet, ATI X1400 video) and > have been quite happy with it :). With Kubuntu 8.10, KDE4 is finally usable, > and, very important to me, suspend/resume and hibernate/resume work without > any issues. I have also been using the fglrx driver from AMD without issue > (except for a little taint). > > Regards, > Rick > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From bmidgley at xmission.com Mon Nov 3 12:34:18 2008 From: bmidgley at xmission.com (Brad Midgley) Date: Mon Nov 3 12:00:26 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Intrepid Ibex In-Reply-To: <20081101172931.GE90953@parkman.zelut.org> References: <861615.34294.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200810301704.24717.vi@dubbayou.com> <490C8E2C.8080803@xmission.com> <20081101172931.GE90953@parkman.zelut.org> Message-ID: <490F523A.30102@xmission.com> tChrister > Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC for tips on getting > things running properly. fwiw, in the end the easiest thing to use was a third-part package for the ubuntu kernel. They have a nice table to show the differences with the stock kernel. You can see progress in the stock kernel over time, just not enough progress :) http://www.array.org/ubuntu/status.html?model=eeepc-1000 btw, there's not a lot of advantage in undervolting the N270 cpu but maybe undervolting the gpu or auto peripheral shutdown, etc could get the battery life up. It's never good enough. Brad From nathamberlane at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 08:24:10 2008 From: nathamberlane at gmail.com (Nathan Lane) Date: Tue Nov 4 07:50:26 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Perl, CGI and stylesheets In-Reply-To: <429579db0810140751r7c9bb12fo464dac6cb6b9d718@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afbd5b90810131403u6a2a7004md8cf63df2d0642e0@mail.gmail.com> <7f2da9a80810131411u6d2c7e63j126c903fcebba130@mail.gmail.com> <9afbd5b90810131417x19ddb4cbs51c1a81a2cef8d3a@mail.gmail.com> <59f6b3a40810131420s38e5edbbt4b57b7a86a8eecf9@mail.gmail.com> <9afbd5b90810131427y178ea53n36493317a561cacf@mail.gmail.com> <7f2da9a80810131432u20d32b79j6d58dff5ac21da20@mail.gmail.com> <9afbd5b90810131449r44537656jb523c555551429ab@mail.gmail.com> <429579db0810131503m5aab5d09gc4374b50d1a5bb4d@mail.gmail.com> <9afbd5b90810140636t20635054q76c4ea436333cd22@mail.gmail.com> <429579db0810140751r7c9bb12fo464dac6cb6b9d718@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9afbd5b90811040724r60043e04id5e940f1aa5132e8@mail.gmail.com> Alright, I finally realized that I can server my CGIs from the cgi-bin directory and my stylesheets and javascript from the htdocs drirectory, so I think I'm set now wth that. I didn't change any settings, just did that. So it's good. Thanks for all of your help. Nathan On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Joseph Hall wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Nathan Lane > wrote: > > No you're right, that caused Apache not to start up. > > Glad we got that taken care of at least. > > > I'm thinking that I just have the cgi-bin stuff not configured correctly > in general. > > That's what I was figuring. It used to be that people would just set > up a directory called cgi-bin/ and drop their executables in it. > Nowadays, a lot of distros ship with cgi-bin/ set up as an alias, > rather than a publicly-accessable directory. That's pretty much what I > was getting at. > > Are you using Apache to serve just one site, or do you have it set up > to use virtual hosts? I'm guessing that you're just serving one site > right now, which means that your configuration is probably pretty > spread out. If you're intent on using the cgi-bin/ directory, see if > there is an alias set up for it, and make sure it's configured > correctly. I would still set up a separate css/ directory instead > personally, to keep everything organized by function, but maybe that's > just me. > > > As to whether or not Symlinks matter on Windows, I think that they do for > > Apache. > > I'm pretty sure that Apache is relying on filesystem support for that, > but I've been wrong before. As far as Windows is concerned, apparently > NTFS does unofficially support them: > > http://www.thierryb.net/site/Symbolic-links-in-Windows.html > > You learn something new every day, right? > > -- > Joseph > http://blog.josephhall.com/ > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Nathan Lane Home, http://www.nathandelane.com Blog, http://nathandelane.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081104/e879d0b3/attachment.htm From unum at unum5.org Tue Nov 4 09:38:30 2008 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Tue Nov 4 09:04:39 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Today is election day! Message-ID: <49107A86.3080501@unum5.org> I hope you have all been out these past couple of months meeting candidates and learning about the issues. As we saw last year with the wireless bill, being involved with our civic leaders can make a difference. There are many issues political issues constantly coming for that effect our community such as: free wireless utopia filtering intellectual property issues odf Our leaders need our voices, so I hope you have all been involved and that you all vote, and then stay active. Kyle From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 11:21:40 2008 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Nov 4 10:47:53 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Today is election day! In-Reply-To: <49107A86.3080501@unum5.org> References: <49107A86.3080501@unum5.org> Message-ID: <491092B4.7070000@gmail.com> Kyle Waters wrote: > I hope you have all been out these past couple of months meeting > candidates and learning about the issues. As we saw last year with the > wireless bill, being involved with our civic leaders can make a > difference. There are many issues political issues constantly coming > for that effect our community such as: > > free wireless > utopia > filtering > intellectual property issues > odf > > Our leaders need our voices, so I hope you have all been involved and > that you all vote, and then stay active. > > Kyle > In addition we need to call our voted leaders and remind them what we are expecting from them. Voting is a great first step but unless we bug them repeatedly we won't get the results we're expecting. Personally I'm also talking to people in anticipation of 2010. That's an important year as the other half of our city council and mayor in West Jordan will be wanting to stay in office. And I'd love to see them gone. Why? Utopia of course :-) Can't have them in office if they won't at least look at options. And yes there are other reasons. Just Utopia is something they have spent 0% time looking at. From tvanry at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 11:32:16 2008 From: tvanry at gmail.com (Thad Van Ry) Date: Tue Nov 4 10:58:16 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Today is election day! In-Reply-To: <491092B4.7070000@gmail.com> References: <49107A86.3080501@unum5.org> <491092B4.7070000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38fc83270811041032h29680eear8df64f7ec6889a6b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM, u235sentinel wrote: > Personally I'm also talking to people in anticipation of 2010. That's an > important year as the other half of our city council and mayor in West > Jordan will be wanting to stay in office. And I'd love to see them gone. > Why? > I hope you meant 2009 or 2011. Municipal elections are in odd years in Utah. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081106/2854b049/attachment.htm From unum at unum5.org Thu Nov 6 15:28:58 2008 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Thu Nov 6 14:55:05 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D7B@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D7B@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <49136FAA.3080102@unum5.org> mark.k.spute@L-3com.com wrote: > > I'm setting up sendmail in a chroot jail on my CentOS 5 server. > > My question is, when I invoke sendmail, how do I know if I'm running > in a chroot jail? > Where does the email go when you send email to it? If your chroot is working right I would think that it would be delivered to somewhere under the chroot directory. If chroot is not working right, then it would be on the main system. I've never done chroot with an email server. I'd seriously suggest you consider switching to postfix it should be in the yum repositories. Kyle From remo at italy1.com Thu Nov 6 15:55:50 2008 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Thu Nov 6 15:22:11 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <49136FAA.3080102@unum5.org> Message-ID: Agree. Go with postfix (qmail) You can also check the logs and see which one it's going to use. Ciao Remo Kyle Waters On 11/6/08 3:28 PM, "Kyle Waters" wrote: > mark.k.spute@L-3com.com wrote: >> >> I'm setting up sendmail in a chroot jail on my CentOS 5 server. >> >> My question is, when I invoke sendmail, how do I know if I'm running >> in a chroot jail? >> > > > Where does the email go when you send email to it? If your chroot is > working right I would think that it would be delivered to somewhere > under the chroot directory. If chroot is not working right, then it > would be on the main system. I've never done chroot with an email > server. I'd seriously suggest you consider switching to postfix it > should be in the yum repositories. > > Kyle > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:49137119281708717314567! > From sjansen at buscaluz.org Thu Nov 6 18:54:49 2008 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Thu Nov 6 18:23:57 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D7B@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D7B@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <1226022889.7211.1.camel@simplicity.buscaluz.org> On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 11:05 -0700, mark.k.spute@L-3com.com wrote: > I'm setting up sendmail in a chroot jail on my CentOS 5 server. > > My question is, when I invoke sendmail, how do I know if I'm running > in a chroot jail? Do you mean sendmail the daemon or sendmail the command? You can configure the daemon to run chroot'd. I'm not aware of an easy way to chroot the command automatically. You can check the status of the daemon with: ls -l /proc/$(pgrep sendmail)/root Of course, you really should be using Postfix. From jared.bernard at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 23:44:41 2008 From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard) Date: Mon Nov 10 23:17:00 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Server accessing floppy drive Message-ID: <491929D9.1000106@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a Ubuntu gusty file/music server which is constantly accessing the floppy drive about every minute. I can't find any service running that might be accessing the drive. dmesg doesn't show anything unusual. It's driving me nuts because I can hear it running. Any ideas? Jared -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJGSnZcEiH4kiKkQgRAs6BAJkBwnb5a+uQ4kWgQL2/KF7YSD5gWQCeMZWh u54lS91G2brnJTuwnacF294= =JNzu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fozz at xmission.com Tue Nov 11 00:34:55 2008 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Tue Nov 11 00:00:51 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Server accessing floppy drive In-Reply-To: <491929D9.1000106@gmail.com> References: <491929D9.1000106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200811110034.59840.fozz@xmission.com> On Monday 10 November 2008 23:44:41 Jared Bernard wrote: > I have a Ubuntu gusty file/music server which is constantly accessing > the floppy drive about every minute. I can't find any service running > that might be accessing the drive. dmesg doesn't show anything > unusual. It's driving me nuts because I can hear it running. Any ideas? My guess, off the top of my head, is HAL. I would just disconnect the floppy drive. Better yet, chuck it in the trash. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "Give great space to the festive dog that shall sport in the roadway." -- Seen in a Tokyo traffic handbook -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081111/2e6c9180/attachment.pgp From byron at theclarkfamily.name Tue Nov 11 07:11:45 2008 From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark) Date: Tue Nov 11 06:37:54 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Server accessing floppy drive In-Reply-To: <200811110034.59840.fozz@xmission.com> References: <491929D9.1000106@gmail.com> <200811110034.59840.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20081111141145.GA4415@thinktank.lan> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:34:55AM -0700, Doran L. Barton wrote: > On Monday 10 November 2008 23:44:41 Jared Bernard wrote: > > I have a Ubuntu gusty file/music server which is constantly accessing > > the floppy drive about every minute. I can't find any service running > > that might be accessing the drive. dmesg doesn't show anything > > unusual. It's driving me nuts because I can hear it running. Any ideas? > > My guess, off the top of my head, is HAL. If it is HAL accessing the drive, 'hal-disable-polling --device /dev/fd0' should turn it off. -- Byron Clark From jared.bernard at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 07:54:04 2008 From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard) Date: Tue Nov 11 07:26:32 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Server accessing floppy drive In-Reply-To: <20081111141145.GA4415@thinktank.lan> References: <491929D9.1000106@gmail.com> <200811110034.59840.fozz@xmission.com> <20081111141145.GA4415@thinktank.lan> Message-ID: <49199C8C.80607@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Byron Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:34:55AM -0700, Doran L. Barton wrote: >> On Monday 10 November 2008 23:44:41 Jared Bernard wrote: >>> I have a Ubuntu gusty file/music server which is constantly accessing >>> the floppy drive about every minute. I can't find any service running >>> that might be accessing the drive. dmesg doesn't show anything >>> unusual. It's driving me nuts because I can hear it running. Any ideas? >> My guess, off the top of my head, is HAL. > > If it is HAL accessing the drive, 'hal-disable-polling --device > /dev/fd0' should turn it off. > Thanks. That worked. Jared -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJGZyLcEiH4kiKkQgRAnokAJ4wTW3oVixq6ddOcDj332o9wS71gACgmzl2 +zL+lU6X48zebN/6IJVRXmI= =EPAl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From u235sentinel at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 09:56:41 2008 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Tue Nov 11 09:23:04 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Looking for an electrical plug with fuse Message-ID: <4919B949.5000001@gmail.com> I figured maybe someone here would know this. I'm curious if there is a place in Utah that carries a plug for a standard outlet with a fuse. I'm trying to replace a plug which has a replaceable fuse inside. I've look around including radio shack. They have just regular outlet plugs but nothing that has a fuse assembly. Thanks! From kd7nyq at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 10:28:20 2008 From: kd7nyq at gmail.com (Andrew Jackman) Date: Tue Nov 11 09:54:16 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Looking for an electrical plug with fuse In-Reply-To: <4919B949.5000001@gmail.com> References: <4919B949.5000001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79c119390811110928w7c239681u1896904a0b3f107f@mail.gmail.com> My recommendation is Ra-El-Co (I still am unsure of it's spelling). It's located on something like 30th south and main st, just north of the Sears service center on main st. I am really impressed with their stock. Sometimes you have to ask what's behind the counter. They had a laptop power supply, exact make and model, for one of my older laptops. The only thing that I couldn't find there were tubes. :-( The store is put together like the Radio Shacks I remember before they became standardized. As far as I'm concerned, it's your best bet in Salt Lake for anything electronic/electrical in the non-BestBuy sense. Good Luck! Andrew Jackman. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM, u235sentinel wrote: > I figured maybe someone here would know this. I'm curious if there is a > place in Utah that carries a plug for a standard outlet with a fuse. I'm > trying to replace a plug which has a replaceable fuse inside. > > I've look around including radio shack. They have just regular outlet plugs > but nothing that has a fuse assembly. > > Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From kmahan at xmission.com Tue Nov 11 11:27:09 2008 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Tue Nov 11 10:53:11 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Looking for an electrical plug with fuse In-Reply-To: <79c119390811110928w7c239681u1896904a0b3f107f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4919B949.5000001@gmail.com> <79c119390811110928w7c239681u1896904a0b3f107f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4919CE7D.4080401@xmission.com> I'd check with Standard Supply (south of Ra-Elco). Ra-Elco is nice for some things -- but a lot of items (caps and such) can be pretty old. And the pricing is random -- sometimes a good deal, sometimes incredibly expensive. Ra-Elco does have all sorts of things though. They used to be open on Sat morning, but they aren't anymore (anybody know for how long?) Standard Supply is a regular store with a large parts supply. --Kurt Andrew Jackman wrote: > My recommendation is Ra-El-Co (I still am unsure of it's spelling). > It's located on something like 30th south and main st, just north of > the Sears service center on main st. I am really impressed with their > stock. Sometimes you have to ask what's behind the counter. They had > a laptop power supply, exact make and model, for one of my older > laptops. The only thing that I couldn't find there were tubes. :-( > The store is put together like the Radio Shacks I remember before they > became standardized. As far as I'm concerned, it's your best bet in > Salt Lake for anything electronic/electrical in the non-BestBuy sense. > > Good Luck! > > Andrew Jackman. > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM, u235sentinel wrote: > >> I figured maybe someone here would know this. I'm curious if there is a >> place in Utah that carries a plug for a standard outlet with a fuse. I'm >> trying to replace a plug which has a replaceable fuse inside. >> >> I've look around including radio shack. They have just regular outlet plugs >> but nothing that has a fuse assembly. >> >> Thanks! >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From john at beehive.net Tue Nov 11 12:02:33 2008 From: john at beehive.net (John Brewer) Date: Tue Nov 11 11:28:32 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: OT: Looking for an electrical plug with fuse In-Reply-To: <4919CE7D.4080401@xmission.com> References: <4919B949.5000001@gmail.com> <79c119390811110928w7c239681u1896904a0b3f107f@mail.gmail.com> <4919CE7D.4080401@xmission.com> Message-ID: <4919D6C9.7010806@beehive.net> Standard closes for lunch, from 12 to 1, so don't go during that time. Kurt Mahan wrote: > I'd check with Standard Supply (south of Ra-Elco). Ra-Elco is nice for > some things -- but a lot of items (caps and such) can be pretty old. > And the pricing is random -- sometimes a good deal, sometimes incredibly > expensive. Ra-Elco does have all sorts of things though. > > They used to be open on Sat morning, but they aren't anymore (anybody > know for how long?) > > Standard Supply is a regular store with a large parts supply. > > --Kurt > > Andrew Jackman wrote: > >> My recommendation is Ra-El-Co (I still am unsure of it's spelling). >> It's located on something like 30th south and main st, just north of >> the Sears service center on main st. I am really impressed with their >> stock. Sometimes you have to ask what's behind the counter. They had >> a laptop power supply, exact make and model, for one of my older >> laptops. The only thing that I couldn't find there were tubes. :-( >> The store is put together like the Radio Shacks I remember before they >> became standardized. As far as I'm concerned, it's your best bet in >> Salt Lake for anything electronic/electrical in the non-BestBuy sense. >> >> Good Luck! >> >> Andrew Jackman. >> >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM, u235sentinel wrote: >> >> >>> I figured maybe someone here would know this. I'm curious if there is a >>> place in Utah that carries a plug for a standard outlet with a fuse. I'm >>> trying to replace a plug which has a replaceable fuse inside. >>> >>> I've look around including radio shack. They have just regular outlet plugs >>> but nothing that has a fuse assembly. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >>> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >>> sllug-members@sllug.org >>> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm > trying to replace a plug which has a replaceable fuse inside. > > I've look around including radio shack. They have just regular outlet > plugs but nothing that has a fuse assembly. > > Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081111/956480be/attachment.htm From remo at italy1.com Tue Nov 11 13:49:24 2008 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Tue Nov 11 13:15:32 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Share file permission Message-ID: Hello all, I wonder if anyone has had a way to protect a file from being overwritten if the file is open from another computer. Any suggestions my friend is running a win$dows env.... If you guys have a mysql script form that I could run (php) webserver then I can covert him to that.. Thanks Remo From caleb at macjunk.net Tue Nov 11 13:59:42 2008 From: caleb at macjunk.net (Caleb Call) Date: Tue Nov 11 13:25:38 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Share file permission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <276929710811111259y753b0f0aw9e1dff5a776c73d5@mail.gmail.com> It should lock the file if it's opened from the server. When someone else tries to open the file it will say it's being editted by XXX user and only allow it to be opened in read only mode. If they are copying the file to their machines and then opening it, there really isn't anything you could do other than teach them to open it from the server. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > Hello all, I wonder if anyone has had a way to protect a file from being > overwritten if the file is open from another computer. Any suggestions my > friend is running a win$dows env.... If you guys have a mysql script form > that I could run (php) webserver then I can covert him to that.. > > Thanks > Remo > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If they are copying the file to > their machines and then opening it, there really isn't anything you could do > other than teach them to open it from the server. > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: >> Hello all, I wonder if anyone has had a way to protect a file from being >> overwritten if the file is open from another computer. Any suggestions my >> friend is running a win$dows env.... If you guys have a mysql script form >> that I could run (php) webserver then I can covert him to that.. >> >> Thanks >> Remo >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > !DSPAM:4919f2f0325141548113964! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:4919f2f0325141548113964! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081111/4051266d/attachment.htm From ray.sunderlin at us.army.mil Tue Nov 11 16:21:14 2008 From: ray.sunderlin at us.army.mil (Sunderlin, Layne R SGT RET) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:47:17 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Server accessing floppy drive In-Reply-To: <200811110034.59840.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: <4D44346365984064B382E4A2666DE8D1@EMFIVE> Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: Server accessing floppy drive On Monday 10 November 2008 23:44:41 Jared Bernard wrote: > I have a Ubuntu gusty file/music server which is constantly accessing > the floppy drive about every minute. I can't find any service running > that might be accessing the drive. dmesg doesn't show anything > unusual. It's driving me nuts because I can hear it running. Any ideas? -My guess, off the top of my head, is HAL. -I would just disconnect the floppy drive. Better yet, chuck it in the trash. -- Doran L. Barton fozz@xmission.com If its HAL, just tell it you're not Dave. ;-) From marc at sllug.org Thu Nov 13 04:22:22 2008 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Thu Nov 13 03:48:19 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: SLLUG meeting Nov. 19, 2008: SE Linux Message-ID: <491C0DEE.6010009@sllug.org> Hi everyone, This month's Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting will be on SELinux, presented by Stewart Jansen of Guru Labs. Afraid of SELinux? Do bullies kick policy, types and domains in your face at the beach? We've got a deal for you! One night only, November 19th at 7:10pm, Stuart Jansen of Guru Labs will reveal the mysteries SELinux. How much would you pay for this opportunity? $100? $200? $500? How about FREE?! Yes, FREE!!! In fact, act now and you might even win an exclusive, never before seen, custom Guru Labs stuffed Kung Fu Tux! Yes, that's right! New GL swag!!! For decades, the traditional Unix security model has served us well. Today, however, system administrator and "power users" should also understand SELinux, it's advantages and disadvantages. Guru Labs is a local Linux training company, but with global reach. Stuart is an instructor, author and developer. He is passionate about Linux, and considers SELinux an important part of that passion. Time and place: Date: Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 Time: 7:10pm Place: Warnock Engineering Building (WEB) room 101 (Previously known as EMCB) Cost: $0.00. Zip. Nada. Directions/Parking: Directions - [http://www.map.utah.edu/index.jsp?find=62] Parking can be found just East of the WEB building and there is a big lot just North of the Merrill Engineering building (MEB). Parking is free after 6:00 (Based on the signs posted. Always check in case this changes.) Special thanks go to: - U of U for providing the meeting room. - Various Volunteers From remo at italy1.com Thu Nov 13 20:40:37 2008 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Thu Nov 13 20:06:42 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Tracking software Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have a friend of mine that was looking for free software to track (rental) from the shop. He owns a bike shop therefore it will be used to track bike rental to people. In PHP will be good too so I can place it on my server or so. Any suggestions are welcome. Remo From nathamberlane at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 08:29:48 2008 From: nathamberlane at gmail.com (Nathan Lane) Date: Fri Nov 14 07:55:49 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Tracking software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9afbd5b90811140729l6fdfbea2ib2ed7e1933e97117@mail.gmail.com> I have been working on designing a piece of software that could be used for that, but I haven't worked on it in a while (and it isn't finished) - it is based on the idea of T-Cards (see http://www.t-cardsystems.com/), but I believe a software that keeps track of collections might be useful in this case. I also wrote a PHP-based task manager that might suit somewhat the needs -- at that note, something like you might find using this search would probably be helpful until something concrete could be built: http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=task+manager Nathan On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: > Hello everyone, I have a friend of mine that was looking for free software > to track (rental) from the shop. He owns a bike shop therefore it will be > used to track bike rental to people. In PHP will be good too so I can place > it on my server or so. > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > Remo > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -- Nathan Lane Home, http://www.nathandelane.com Blog, http://nathandelane.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081114/93818416/attachment.html From remo at italy1.com Fri Nov 14 09:27:59 2008 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Fri Nov 14 08:54:01 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Tracking software In-Reply-To: <9afbd5b90811140729l6fdfbea2ib2ed7e1933e97117@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Nathan, I wonder if you would share it. Not sure how close you have it to be done. I saw some other once but some requires postgres ( I like mysql) and therefore I did not check them out at all. Let me know. Remo Nathan Lane On 11/14/08 8:29 AM, "Nathan Lane" wrote: > I have been working on designing a piece of software that could be used for > that, but I haven't worked on it in a while (and it isn't finished) - it is > based on the idea of T-Cards (see http://www.t-cardsystems.com/), but I > believe a software that keeps track of collections might be useful in this > case. I also wrote a PHP-based task manager that might suit somewhat the needs > -- at that note, something like you might find using this search would > probably be helpful until something concrete could be built: > http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=task+manager > > Nathan > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: >> Hello everyone, I have a friend of mine that was looking for free software >> to track (rental) from the shop. He owns a bike shop therefore it will be >> used to track bike rental to people. In PHP will be good too so I can place >> it on my server or so. >> >> Any suggestions are welcome. >> >> Remo >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081114/e9afd5fa/attachment.html From bmidgley at xmission.com Sat Nov 15 11:21:45 2008 From: bmidgley at xmission.com (Brad Midgley) Date: Sat Nov 15 10:47:58 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: FS: ASUS Eee PC 1000 40G Message-ID: <491F1339.6090602@xmission.com> Hi I bought this awesome little machine last month on a bit of a whim. My folly is your good fortune :) Full details: http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/eee/ I should be at the meeting Wednesday and I'll bring it just in case. Brad From marc at sllug.org Mon Nov 17 07:12:49 2008 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Mon Nov 17 06:38:45 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Reminder: SLLUG meeting this Wednesday! Message-ID: <49217BE1.5070505@sllug.org> Hey everyone! Reminding you of the meeting this Wednesday November 19, 2008. We'll be giving away a boxed copy of openSUSE 11.0 as well. Here's the announcement again: ================== This month's Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting will be on SELinux, presented by Stewart Jansen of Guru Labs. Afraid of SELinux? Do bullies kick policy, types and domains in your face at the beach? We've got a deal for you! One night only, November 19th at 7:10pm, Stuart Jansen of Guru Labs will reveal the mysteries SELinux. How much would you pay for this opportunity? $100? $200? $500? How about FREE?! Yes, FREE!!! In fact, act now and you might even win an exclusive, never before seen, custom Guru Labs stuffed Kung Fu Tux! Yes, that's right! New GL swag!!! For decades, the traditional Unix security model has served us well. Today, however, system administrator and "power users" should also understand SELinux, it's advantages and disadvantages. Guru Labs is a local Linux training company, but with global reach. Stuart is an instructor, author and developer. He is passionate about Linux, and considers SELinux an important part of that passion. Time and place: Date: Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 Time: 7:10pm Place: Warnock Engineering Building (WEB) room 101 (Previously known as EMCB) Cost: $0.00. Zip. Nada. Directions/Parking: Directions - [http://www.map.utah.edu/index.jsp?find=62] Parking can be found just East of the WEB building and there is a big lot just North of the Merrill Engineering building (MEB). Parking is free after 6:00 (Based on the signs posted. Always check in case this changes.) Special thanks go to: - U of U for providing the meeting room. - Various Volunteers From namonai at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 15:17:48 2008 From: namonai at gmail.com (Craig Kelley) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:43:45 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Tron at Brewvies Tonight Message-ID: <847993120811171417r638a79dbhfb201c518b96ce4c@mail.gmail.com> Slightly off-topic, but if you loved Tron as a kid, it's showing on the big screen at Brewvies tonight at 10:30. It'll be in all it's original, cheezy big-screen glamor. :-) -Craig -- http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink finger ink@inconnu.islug.org for PGP block From beebe at math.utah.edu Mon Nov 17 19:27:55 2008 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Mon Nov 17 18:54:04 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug] books on SQL Message-ID: Thanks to last month's SLLUG meeting with the nice presentations on database systems, I've been doing some database work myself, and have done some major updates in the bibliography of books on SQL (with a few on general database theory): http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index-table-s.html#sqlbooks There are 529 books currently listed there, of which 24 are from 2008 and 2009. Comments, corrections, and recommendations for additions to the book list are welcome; just send them to me off this list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dhales2 at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 06:25:01 2008 From: dhales2 at gmail.com (Dan Hales) Date: Tue Nov 18 05:50:55 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug] books on SQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you archive meetings? I would be very interested in the datbase presentations.. Thanks Dan H. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > Thanks to last month's SLLUG meeting with the nice presentations on > database systems, I've been doing some database work myself, and have > done some major updates in the bibliography of books on SQL (with a > few on general database theory): > > http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index-table-s.html#sqlbooks > > There are 529 books currently listed there, of which 24 are from > 2008 and 2009. > > Comments, corrections, and recommendations for additions to the book > list are welcome; just send them to me off this list. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 > - > - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 > - > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: > beebe@math.utah.edu - > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org > beebe@computer.org - > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.netchannel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Clint 1 - http://utos.org 2 - http://stream.utos.org:8080 3 - http://podcast.utos.org From eggyknap at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 07:33:41 2008 From: eggyknap at gmail.com (Joshua Tolley) Date: Tue Nov 18 06:59:03 2008 Subject: Database presentations [WAS: Re: [sllug-members]: [sllug] books on SQL] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081118143341.GB10099@polonium.part.net> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:25:01AM -0700, Dan Hales wrote: > Do you archive meetings? > I would be very interested in the datbase presentations.. > > Thanks > Dan H. Dan - Should you be interested in further database-y sorts of presentations, may I recommend the Utah Database User Group (www.udbug.org), whose members were responsible for the presentations in question. Slides from the SQLLite presentation are available at http://kittypee.com/crap/SQLite.pdf. AFAIK, the meeting wasn't recorded (sorry) - Josh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Mark Linux novice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081118/eef0f36f/attachment.htm From nathamberlane at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 08:27:59 2008 From: nathamberlane at gmail.com (Nathan Lane) Date: Tue Nov 18 07:53:57 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D9D@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D9D@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <9afbd5b90811180727h2fd83c51mf1fdae98dcc7d933@mail.gmail.com> In one of my jobs I set up Bugzilla servers and maintained them as part of my work. Our network operations team asked me to switch out Sendmail for Postfix, and I remember asking them why, but not their exact response. Nonetheless, I believe that postfix was built from the ground up to handle some things that Sendmail does a little bit better, like security. It also feels like a cleaner solution ultimately, whereas Sendmail has been around for a while, but hasn't changed much. It may be a religious preference ultimately, but I think that Postfix is also easier to configure and use and know what's wrong when something does go wrong. Nathan On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:16 AM, wrote: > I'm still setting up my server. Some weeks ago there was a lot of furor > over postfix - everyone who responded to my post said I should be using > postfix. I've been using sendmail for years as my incoming MTA. This > server will be both an incoming and an outgoing MTA. Without getting into > religion and flame wars, why should I switch to postfix from sendmail? Is > it inherently more secure? Faster? Easier to configure? Does it have > graylisting filters? Please explain as I have to make a decision real soon > which one I'm going to use? > > Thanks > > Mark > Linux novice. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Nathan Lane Home, http://www.nathandelane.com Blog, http://nathandelane.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Without getting into > religion and flame wars, why should I switch to postfix from sendmail? Is > it inherently more secure? Faster? Easier to configure? Does it have > graylisting filters? Please explain as I have to make a decision real soon > which one I'm going to use? > > Thanks > > Mark > Linux novice. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- Nathan Lane Home, http://www.nathandelane.com Blog, http://nathandelane.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081118/84395aae/attachment.htm From remo at italy1.com Tue Nov 18 08:37:38 2008 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Tue Nov 18 08:03:43 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <9afbd5b90811180729l6f89a23bm2ab4b35e7c029011@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well I would look into qmail (the most secure mail server since 1997). Depending on what you are looking for in your SMTP. Just my 2 cents. Remo Nathan Lane On 11/18/08 8:29 AM, "Nathan Lane" wrote: > As an aside, you might check this article out on Wikipedia, > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_(software) > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:16 AM, wrote: >> I'm still setting up my server. Some weeks ago there was a lot of furor over >> postfix - everyone who responded to my post said I should be using postfix. >> I've been using sendmail for years as my incoming MTA. This server will be >> both an incoming and an outgoing MTA. Without getting into religion and >> flame wars, why should I switch to postfix from sendmail? Is it inherently >> more secure? Faster? Easier to configure? Does it have graylisting >> filters? Please explain as I have to make a decision real soon which one I'm >> going to use? >> >> Thanks >> >> Mark >> Linux novice. >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. >> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net >> channel #Utah >> sllug-members@sllug.org >> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081118/02d7e1f9/attachment.html From fozz at xmission.com Tue Nov 18 08:48:25 2008 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Tue Nov 18 08:14:13 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D9D@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D9D@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <200811180848.28724.fozz@xmission.com> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 08:16:35 mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: > I'm still setting up my server. Some weeks ago there was a lot of furor > over postfix - everyone who responded to my post said I should be using > postfix. I've been using sendmail for years as my incoming MTA. This > server will be both an incoming and an outgoing MTA. Without getting > into religion and flame wars, why should I switch to postfix from > sendmail? Is it inherently more secure? Faster? Easier to configure? > Does it have graylisting filters? Please explain as I have to make a > decision real soon which one I'm going to use? I've been using Sendmail almost exclusively since the early 1990s. When I first started using it, I had to actually read the (O'Reilly) "Bat Book" to configure it because I had to go into the cryptic sendmail.cf by hand. I've set up Sendmail to do mail via UUCP, handle a domain via intermittent dialup, virtual domains, etc. I still use Sendmail today because I know it better than anything else. With all that being said, if I were someone just getting started today choosing a MTA, I would definitely choose Postfix. It's much easier to learn and manage. Sure, I can set up a Sendmail site faster than most people can set up Postfix, but I paid a hefty price for that efficiency. I would recommending using Postfix for the easy, straightforward stuff and leave Sendmail for the complex configurations. -- Doran L. Barton Open-source developer, sysadmin, consultant, and all-around geeky dude "War dims hope for peace" -- Headline seen in newspaper -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This server will be both an incoming and an outgoing MTA. > Without getting into religion and flame wars, why should I switch to > postfix from sendmail? Is it inherently more secure? Faster? Easier > to configure? Does it have graylisting filters? Please explain as I > have to make a decision real soon which one I'm going to use? Go to a book store, find the Sendmail book (The Bat Book) then find the Postfix book. Think about which book you would rather have thrown at your head. Install both Sendmail and Postfix. Compare Sendmail's sendmail.cf to Postfix's main.cf. Ask yourself which looks like a real config file, and which one looks like a nightmare spawned in the darkness to torment sysadmins. Postfix is powerful yet simple. That isn't by accident. Postfix was created in response to Sendmail's pitiful security track record. Wietse Venema realized that if software is hard to configure, it is hard to secure. Sendmail is a giant program. It has bugs. Some of those bugs are security holes. Only time will tell how many and how bad. How can I be certain? Because it's a natural result of Sendmail's complexity. Postfix has the exact opposite design. Instead of one giant, omniscience and omnipotent binary, Postfix is actually a collection of many small, simple programs that cooperate. It is much easier to avoid and fix bugs when a program is simple. It is also much easier to assign more fine grained restrictions and prevent catastrophic failure. Postfix has a better security track record than Sendmail because it has the exact opposite design. Although not an original design goal, Postfix is also incredibly fast. Perhaps the fastest and most secure general purpose MTA is qmail. As it happens, qmail is also based on the idea of small, simple programs cooperating. Postfix was also designed as a replacement for Sendmail. It has an equivalent newaliases command. An equivalent mailq command. Even an equivalent sendmail command. This means you can switch to Postfix with less fear of breaking other parts of your infrastructure. Because of it's popularity, Postfix has equivalent filters pretty much anything SMTP related. For example, you asked about greylisting. I use postgrey. Because Postfix has steadily improving milter support, you may even be able to use the exact same Sendmail filter after switching the Postfix. Simplicity. Security. Performance. Compatibility. Isn't it time _you_ switched to Postfix? From sjansen at buscaluz.org Tue Nov 18 09:12:35 2008 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Tue Nov 18 08:38:28 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <200811180848.28724.fozz@xmission.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D9D@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <200811180848.28724.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1227024755.7316.33.camel@simplicity.buscaluz.org> On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 08:48 -0700, Doran L. Barton wrote: > I would recommending using Postfix for the easy, straightforward stuff and > leave Sendmail for the complex configurations. Where complex == a protocol so ancient it hasn't been implemented in Postfix? Maybe you're talking about third party filters? I can understand choosing Sendmail because of an obscure filter that doesn't work with Postfix. But most common mail filters have a Postfix equivalent. And now that Postfix has basic milter support, some Sendmail filters can be used with Postfix. I wouldn't characterize the split as simple vs. complex. Postfix can do very complex mail handling also. I would describe the split as common vs. obscure. Because of its longer history, Sendmail can do more obscure things. Seriously, what is something that most email admins might want to do that Postfix can't? From kwalker at kobran.org Tue Nov 18 10:35:57 2008 From: kwalker at kobran.org (Knight Walker) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:01:55 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D9D@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D9D@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <1227029757.3411.15.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 08:16 -0700, mark.k.spute@L-3com.com wrote: > I'm still setting up my server. Some weeks ago there was a lot of > furor over postfix - everyone who responded to my post said I should > be using postfix. I've been using sendmail for years as my incoming > MTA. This server will be both an incoming and an outgoing MTA. > Without getting into religion and flame wars, why should I switch to > postfix from sendmail? Is it inherently more secure? Faster? Easier > to configure? Does it have graylisting filters? Please explain as I > have to make a decision real soon which one I'm going to use? I started with Sendmail years ago, and used it for years before switching to Postfix. Now I use Postfix almost exclusively. > Is it inherently more secure? >From my experience, yes. As others have stated, Postfix is designed around a multi-process message-passing architecture. The SMTP daemon only does SMTP traffic. The rewrite daemon does message processing, the master process oversees the others. In Sendmail, until recently, there was only one large binary that did everything, so a stack-smash attack could pwn the entire process. > Faster? >From what I've seen, yes. Even though it has small parts to coordinate, it seems to do so very quickly. The load average on my mail server went down after implementing Postfix. > Easier to configure? Definitely. You can edit the (heavily commented) main.cf by hand and reload Postfix like a proper Unix daemon. Most modern distros don't want you to modify sendmail.cf by hand, instead using a meta-config file sendmail.mc and "make" to translate these into the finished .cf file. > Does it have graylisting filters? While I don't use them myself, yes it does. Since Postfix is modular, it is possible to shim in additional processes without too much trouble. At my previous job, I had Postfix calling ClamAV and Spamassassin to protect the Windows workstations and it worked quite well on modest hardware. I switched to Postfix because getting SMTP AUTH and TLS configured in Sendmail was making me crazy. Thanks to a handy little HOWTO (*) (Which may be a little outdated now, depending on your distro) I was able to get it working in Postfix within a few hours (Most of which time was spent configuring Postfix to replace Sendmail). * http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/ Postfix may not be the fastest thing out there, but it hasn't caused me any problems, and it has been able to handle everything I've thrown at it thus far (Procmail, RBLs, SMTP AUTH, TLS, Spamassassin, etc). The only thing I haven't seen a HOWTO for Postfix is adding some Lemonade functions (specifically forward-without-download). -KW From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Tue Nov 18 14:53:36 2008 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:19:39 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: FS: ASUS Eee PC 1000 40G In-Reply-To: <491F1339.6090602@xmission.com> References: <491F1339.6090602@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1227045216.13426.88.camel@mw3.ridgecrestherbals.com> Is the keyboard any bigger than the 900? My fingers are too fat for that. - Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 11:21 -0700, Brad Midgley wrote: > Hi > > I bought this awesome little machine last month on a bit of a whim. My > folly is your good fortune :) > > Full details: http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/eee/ > > I should be at the meeting Wednesday and I'll bring it just in case. > > Brad > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 18:08:40 2008 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Tue Nov 18 17:34:49 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49236718.6040006@gmail.com> Remo Mattei wrote: > Well I would look into qmail (the most secure mail server since 1997). > Depending on what you are looking for in your SMTP. Except qmail doesn't support SSL/TLS over SMTP. Plain text authentication doesn't appeal to me as being "secure". Count me in on Postfix. -- _ Aaron Toponce ( ) ASCII Ribbon Campaign www.aarontoponce.org X www.asciiribbon.org / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 552 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081118/f0c45971/signature.pgp From unum at unum5.org Tue Nov 18 18:19:49 2008 From: unum at unum5.org (Kyle Waters) Date: Tue Nov 18 17:45:57 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <49236718.6040006@gmail.com> References: <49236718.6040006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <492369B5.6000800@unum5.org> Aaron Toponce wrote: > Remo Mattei wrote: > >> Well I would look into qmail (the most secure mail server since 1997). >> Depending on what you are looking for in your SMTP. >> > > Except qmail doesn't support SSL/TLS over SMTP. Plain text > authentication doesn't appeal to me as being "secure". > > Count me in on Postfix. > > Of course us Debianites use Exim. I much prefer exim for configuration, but if I'm on a fedora/redhat/centos box I use postfix since it's in the main repositories. Kyle From sjansen at buscaluz.org Tue Nov 18 18:36:30 2008 From: sjansen at buscaluz.org (Stuart Jansen) Date: Tue Nov 18 18:02:24 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <492369B5.6000800@unum5.org> References: <49236718.6040006@gmail.com> <492369B5.6000800@unum5.org> Message-ID: <1227058590.7648.1.camel@simplicity.buscaluz.org> On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 18:19 -0700, Kyle Waters wrote: > Of course us Debianites use Exim. I much prefer exim for configuration, > but if I'm on a fedora/redhat/centos box I use postfix since it's in the > main repositories. Whatcha talkin'bout, Willis? Exim is included with both RHEL and Fedora. From aaron.toponce at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 18:38:53 2008 From: aaron.toponce at gmail.com (Aaron Toponce) Date: Tue Nov 18 18:04:54 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <492369B5.6000800@unum5.org> References: <49236718.6040006@gmail.com> <492369B5.6000800@unum5.org> Message-ID: <49236E2D.4060605@gmail.com> Kyle Waters wrote: > Of course us Debianites use Exim. I much prefer exim for configuration, > but if I'm on a fedora/redhat/centos box I use postfix since it's in the > main repositories. Exim is also in the main repos. Available for Fedora 9, RHEL 5 and CentOS 5. Unfortunately, Exim suffers from the same monolithic blob that the Sendmail philosophy uses, and as such, has had some security hits in its past, prompting a major rewrite with version 4. -- _ Aaron Toponce ( ) ASCII Ribbon Campaign www.aarontoponce.org X www.asciiribbon.org / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kyle From jon at jonfullmer.com Tue Nov 18 19:34:31 2008 From: jon at jonfullmer.com (Jon Fullmer) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:00:58 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <1227029757.3411.15.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096D9D@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <1227029757.3411.15.camel@nc6320.kobran.org> Message-ID: On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Knight Walker wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 08:16 -0700, mark.k.spute@L-3com.com wrote: >> I'm still setting up my server. Some weeks ago there was a lot of >> furor over postfix - everyone who responded to my post said I should >> be using postfix. I've been using sendmail for years as my incoming >> MTA. This server will be both an incoming and an outgoing MTA. >> Without getting into religion and flame wars, why should I switch to >> postfix from sendmail? Is it inherently more secure? Faster? >> Easier >> to configure? Does it have graylisting filters? Please explain as I >> have to make a decision real soon which one I'm going to use? > > I started with Sendmail years ago, and used it for years before > switching to Postfix. Now I use Postfix almost exclusively. I have the same story. I started with sendmail and used it exclusively for years. I switched to Postfix over a year ago. I'm not turning back. > >> Is it inherently more secure? > This question always bothered me. The tech world can be a bit bigoted, and pick on something when it's not necessarily justified. Has sendmail had more security bugs than postfix? Yes, but it's also been around a LOT longer. I will say this, though. When I was trying to decide between continuing with sendmail or going with postfix, I stumbled upon an article that touched on exactly what I was looking for. One of their biggest differences is in their architecture. Sendmail is monolithic. With rare exception, additional features are compiled into the central binary. While there are advantages to this design, the security problem arises in that once you've compromised one element, you've compromised it all. Postfix is modular. It consists of several binaries. Additional binaries can also be involved. Generally speaking, if one binary or service is compromised, ONLY that binary or service is compromised. That, to me, is where the "more secure" question is answered. It's not in the number of bugs. It's in the architecture. The design of postfix doesn't boast that it will never fall victim to security bugs. In fact, in many ways, it has designed itself around the probability that it will. But its design practices a form of defense in-depth. It's layered. And each element can easily be protected from the other. >> >> Easier to configure? > Goodness gracious, YES! That's one of Postfix most obvious selling points. It's still more complicated than some programs (MTAs can be very complex, if need be), but SO much easier than the notorious "sendmail.cf". A few years ago, I posted a popular "how to" on configuring SMTPAuth for sendmail (http://www.jonfullmer.com/smtpauth - no, there's no ads, and I don't care if you visit it or not ;-) ). While I plan to keep that howto there, I doubt it will get updated much. I've moved to postfix, and I have to admit, I like it a lot better. Other tools that I'd recommend you look into (to compliment your postfix configuration): amavisd-new - this program can filter mail attachments and call anti- spam and antivirus programs (among other things) http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/ SpamAssassin - one of the greatest anti-spam utilities out there; should be used in conjunction with amavisd-new http://spamassassin.apache.org/ Dovecot - an IMAP and POP3 server designed from the ground up with security in mind http://www.dovecot.org/ Good luck! - Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From lrp at xmission.com Tue Nov 18 22:17:23 2008 From: lrp at xmission.com (Lamont Peterson) Date: Tue Nov 18 21:43:35 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <4923712D.5010601@unum5.org> References: <1227058590.7648.1.camel@simplicity.buscaluz.org> <4923712D.5010601@unum5.org> Message-ID: <200811182217.41717.lrp@xmission.com> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 06:51:41 pm Kyle Waters wrote: > Stuart Jansen wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 18:19 -0700, Kyle Waters wrote: > >> Of course us Debianites use Exim. I much prefer exim for configuration, > >> but if I'm on a fedora/redhat/centos box I use postfix since it's in the > >> main repositories. > > > > Whatcha talkin'bout, Willis? Exim is included with both RHEL and Fedora. > > I could sworn that wasn't there before.... IIRC, it wasn't "shipping" of Fedora until FC2, then RHEL4 was the first RHEL to pick it up. -- Lamont Peterson [ http://www.xmission.com/~lrp/ ] GPG Key fingerprint: C51E DD83 B03F D147 A974 939C 5D13 289C 17F1 FFBE -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081118/ea7c57e7/attachment.pgp From marc at sllug.org Wed Nov 19 09:27:19 2008 From: marc at sllug.org (Marc Christensen) Date: Wed Nov 19 09:14:18 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Reminder: SLLUG meeting tonight Message-ID: <49243E67.3070001@sllug.org> Hey everyone, Just a reminder of the Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting tonight. Hope to see everyone there. Stuart Jansen will be presenting on SELinux. Here's a link to the original announcement: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/2008-November/010833.html We'll also be giving away a boxed version of openSUSE 11.0 in the drawing. See you all there tonight! -- Marc Christensen From remo at italy1.com Wed Nov 19 21:22:44 2008 From: remo at italy1.com (Remo Mattei) Date: Wed Nov 19 20:48:53 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <49236718.6040006@gmail.com> References: <49236718.6040006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C41974E-2A07-42FC-85CE-27F2D8F3BF7D@italy1.com> Sorry but you can patch it for ssl if u want and it u want security well qmail has had it for over 10 years no bugs I can sleep well at night Go Q Remo Inviato da iPhone Il giorno 18/nov/08, alle ore 19:08, Aaron Toponce ha scritto: > Remo Mattei wrote: >> Well I would look into qmail (the most secure mail server since >> 1997). >> Depending on what you are looking for in your SMTP. > > Except qmail doesn't support SSL/TLS over SMTP. Plain text > authentication doesn't appeal to me as being "secure". > > Count me in on Postfix. > > -- > _ > Aaron Toponce ( ) ASCII Ribbon Campaign > www.aarontoponce.org X www.asciiribbon.org > / \ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > > !DSPAM:49236819212941317479574! From ian at red-bean.com Wed Nov 19 21:07:54 2008 From: ian at red-bean.com (Ian Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 19 20:55:09 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: TwinView ghosting problems Message-ID: <6ea77d9d0811192007l738bbb83w2d0c590b079c5f21@mail.gmail.com> I have a dell latitude D820 with an nvidia driver running Suse 11, and I'm trying to get twinview working for a presentation on an overhead projector (. I have it working, but the projector has a fairly intense ghosting effect - after the primary image, there is a ghost image several pixels to the left (and another fainter ghost of that ghost). Moreover, things just don't look that crisp. Changing resolution doesn't seem to make much of a difference. I've tried hooking a windows box up to the projector, and while the same problems are there in a faint way, its not nearly as bad. Has anyone run into problems like this and found a good way to address them? From marc at mecworks.com Thu Nov 20 09:11:02 2008 From: marc at mecworks.com (Marc Christensen) Date: Thu Nov 20 08:37:11 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: [Fwd: Randi Berger Thurman sent you a message on Facebook...] Message-ID: <49258C16.1040100@mecworks.com> For those who are interested in programming for the web and especially flash, Randi Thurman (who came to the sllug meeting last night) sent me the info on the upcoming uFlash meeting that she mentioned: -------------------- Subject: Flash meeting Joey Lott @ Neumont University December 2, 2008 at 6:30PM October 7th, 2008 by John Lindquist Hey everyone, Mark Dec 2nd on your calendars for a pretty darn cool event for uFlash (we?ve also invited the other Adobe related groups). Joey Lott the author of ?Porgramming Flex 3?, ?ActionScript 3.0 Cookbook?, ?Adobe AIR in Action,? and ?Advance ActionScript 3 with Design Patterns?. and builder of some of the most innovative Flex applications will be speaking on ?How to Architect Flex Applications? at Neumont University December 2, 2008 at 6:30PM. Hope to see you there, From zspecialk at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 11:41:57 2008 From: zspecialk at gmail.com (Scott K) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:07:52 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: TwinView ghosting problems In-Reply-To: <6ea77d9d0811192007l738bbb83w2d0c590b079c5f21@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ea77d9d0811192007l738bbb83w2d0c590b079c5f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <90cf3c3d0811201041x2537a770rb526368c3c8cf6c4@mail.gmail.com> That sounds like a hardware/ cable noise problem. can you try it with a different shorter cable? Also try to keep your (assumed) VGA cable away from power cables and anything else that would add noise Scott On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Ian Robertson wrote: > I have it working, but the projector has a fairly > intense ghosting effect - after the primary image, there is a ghost > image several pixels to the left (and another fainter ghost of that > ghost). Moreover, things just don't look that crisp. Changing > resolution doesn't seem to make much of a difference. > > I've tried hooking a windows box up to the projector, and while the > same problems are there in a faint way, its not nearly as bad. > > Has anyone run into problems like this and found a good way to address > them? > ____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Bob From mark.k.spute at L-3com.com Thu Nov 20 15:41:34 2008 From: mark.k.spute at L-3com.com (mark.k.spute@L-3com.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:07:30 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Postfix vs. Sendmail question In-Reply-To: <8C41974E-2A07-42FC-85CE-27F2D8F3BF7D@italy1.com> References: <49236718.6040006@gmail.com> <8C41974E-2A07-42FC-85CE-27F2D8F3BF7D@italy1.com> Message-ID: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA5@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Thanks to everyone who responded to my question: Nathan Remo Doran Stuart Knight Aaron Kyle Jon & Lamont. You have succeeded in not only convincing me to dump sendmail for postfix, but Cyrus for dovecot. Mark From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 23:43:41 2008 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Sat Nov 22 23:09:33 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: Ktorrent and friends In-Reply-To: <4925C222.6040001@sbcglobal.net> References: <4925C222.6040001@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0811222243v72f27d08k712fbb76cfc574b8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob, Not sure if anyone got back to you on this yet, but using Transmission is relatively seamless after you get used to it. I use it on Mac all the time, and I have used on Ubuntu here and there as well. Basically, click the plus + sign, and then tell it the file or folder you want to distribute, then tell it where you want to store the .torrent file. Then choose your trackers, and upload it to isohunt, demonoid, etc... and you should see leeches start to download the torrent from you. Downloading torrents is even easier. Just open the .torrent file, and check what files you want to download in the torrent, similar to uTorrent. If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks, Justin On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > I have used Ktorrent many times without much effort to receive things. > > However, I seem to be missing some details on how to setup > a torrent for transmission. When I try it always just says > stalled to those trying to pickup what I wish to send. > > I know this isn't very specific. Has anyone succeeded > in sending out a torrent and if so would you be willing > to share the steps and/or any insight? > > Cheers, > Bob > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From mark.k.spute at L-3com.com Mon Nov 24 14:56:19 2008 From: mark.k.spute at L-3com.com (mark.k.spute@L-3com.com) Date: Mon Nov 24 14:22:17 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall Message-ID: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> I'm looking for a firewall solution. I want something that I can run from CD so that it cannot be hacked. If I screw up the settings that's one thing, but I want to be sure that it can't be hacked. I'm running it on older Pentium III hardware. I will have 3 ethernet interfaces: eth0 for connection to my DSL router; eth1 for connection to my LAN, eth2 for connection to my DMZ and server. Does anyone have any experience with: M0n0wall? Floppyfw? Any other suggestions? Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081124/52aa4812/attachment.html From kmahan at xmission.com Mon Nov 24 15:11:43 2008 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Mon Nov 24 14:37:33 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <492B269F.5080800@xmission.com> I use m0n0wall. It works great for what I need. The mailing list offers great support if you run into any problems. --Kurt mark.k.spute@L-3com.com wrote: > > I'm looking for a firewall solution. I want something that I can run > from CD so that it cannot be hacked. If I screw up the settings > that's one thing, but I want to be sure that it can't be hacked. > > I'm running it on older Pentium III hardware. I will have 3 ethernet > interfaces: eth0 for connection to my DSL router; eth1 for connection > to my LAN, eth2 for connection to my DMZ and server. > > Does anyone have any experience with: > > M0n0wall? > > Floppyfw? > > Any other suggestions? > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From jeff at zingstudios.com Mon Nov 24 15:31:20 2008 From: jeff at zingstudios.com (Jeff Schroeder) Date: Mon Nov 24 14:57:27 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <492B269F.5080800@xmission.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <492B269F.5080800@xmission.com> Message-ID: <200811241531.25633.jeff@zingstudios.com> > I use m0n0wall. ?It works great for what I need. ?The mailing list > offers great support if you run into any problems. I second m0n0wall as a powerful yet easy-to-use system. Initially I rolled my own, but now I buy pre-built systems from Logic Supply... they're mini-systems with a Flash drive running m0n0wall, all pre-configured and ready to plug in and run. http://www.logicsupply.com/products/perimeter_f HTH, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081124/b6f3e836/attachment.pgp From beebe at math.utah.edu Mon Nov 24 15:49:20 2008 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Mon Nov 24 15:15:18 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: [sllug] progress in Novell vs SCO lawsuit Message-ID: Some of you may be interested in this news story that appeared today: * Judgment favors Novell in ongoing SCO case http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3922388/419952/153113/2/ The second paragraph says: >> The judgment largely reiterates earlier orders dismissing copyright >> infringement, slander and breach-of-contract claims brought by SCO, but it >> also prevents SCO from being able to dismiss certain claims and then revive >> those same claims in potential future appeals. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Lee at logonomics.net Mon Nov 24 15:58:57 2008 From: Lee at logonomics.net (Lee Myers) Date: Mon Nov 24 15:24:57 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <200811241531.25633.jeff@zingstudios.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <492B269F.5080800@xmission.com> <200811241531.25633.jeff@zingstudios.com> Message-ID: Smoothwall also works well. http://www.smoothwall.org/ There is a open source version, and a paid version, not sure what the difference is though. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Jeff Schroeder wrote: > > I use m0n0wall. It works great for what I need. The mailing list > > offers great support if you run into any problems. > > I second m0n0wall as a powerful yet easy-to-use system. Initially I > rolled my own, but now I buy pre-built systems from Logic Supply... > they're mini-systems with a Flash drive running m0n0wall, all > pre-configured and ready to plug in and run. > > http://www.logicsupply.com/products/perimeter_f > > HTH, > Jeff > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > -- http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/ Go ahead check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081124/4951519d/attachment.html From justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 16:04:02 2008 From: justinbrinkerhoff at gmail.com (Justin Brinkerhoff) Date: Mon Nov 24 15:29:55 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <2f932a4a0811241504v347daa83o1e6f552bccb04865@mail.gmail.com> Any live CD distro like Ubuntu, Knoppix, DSL, etc... should do the trick. Just setup iptables, or whatever your preferred firewall is. You can also take a gander at Knoppix STD (http://www.knoppix-std.org/). I've used that for all kinds of security tasks from firewall to honeypots. Hope that helps. Thanks, Justin Brinkerhoff On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM, wrote: > I'm looking for a firewall solution. I want something that I can run from > CD so that it cannot be hacked. If I screw up the settings that's one > thing, but I want to be sure that it can't be hacked. > > I'm running it on older Pentium III hardware. I will have 3 ethernet > interfaces: eth0 for connection to my DSL router; eth1 for connection to my > LAN, eth2 for connection to my DMZ and server. > > Does anyone have any experience with: > > M0n0wall? > > Floppyfw? > > Any other suggestions? > > Mark > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > > From tristan at witenko.com Mon Nov 24 18:25:16 2008 From: tristan at witenko.com (Tristan Rhodes) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:51:10 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <492B53FC.6010200@witenko.com> My favorite Linux firewall solution is Vyatta (www.vyatta.org), but I have also enjoyed used PFsense (www.pfsense.org). Both of these solutions will require a hard drive, so that might not work for you. Tristan mark.k.spute@L-3com.com wrote: > > I'm looking for a firewall solution. I want something that I can run > from CD so that it cannot be hacked. If I screw up the settings > that's one thing, but I want to be sure that it can't be hacked. > > I'm running it on older Pentium III hardware. I will have 3 ethernet > interfaces: eth0 for connection to my DSL router; eth1 for connection > to my LAN, eth2 for connection to my DMZ and server. > > Does anyone have any experience with: > > M0n0wall? > > Floppyfw? > > Any other suggestions? > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > From mmurdock at kimballequipment.com Mon Nov 24 18:47:24 2008 From: mmurdock at kimballequipment.com (Mat Murdock) Date: Mon Nov 24 18:13:27 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall Message-ID: <1062314574-1227577648-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-208364319-@bxe327.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I like monowall personally. Mat ------Original Message------ From: Tristan Rhodes Sender: sllug-members-bounces@sllug.org To: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions ReplyTo: Salt Lake Linux Users Group Discussions Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: firewall Sent: Nov 24, 2008 6:25 PM My favorite Linux firewall solution is Vyatta (www.vyatta.org), but I have also enjoyed used PFsense (www.pfsense.org). Both of these solutions will require a hard drive, so that might not work for you. Tristan mark.k.spute@L-3com.com wrote: > > I'm looking for a firewall solution. I want something that I can run > from CD so that it cannot be hacked. If I screw up the settings > that's one thing, but I want to be sure that it can't be hacked. > > I'm running it on older Pentium III hardware. I will have 3 ethernet > interfaces: eth0 for connection to my DSL router; eth1 for connection > to my LAN, eth2 for connection to my DMZ and server. > > Does anyone have any experience with: > > M0n0wall? > > Floppyfw? > > Any other suggestions? > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members > ______________________________________________________________________ See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah sllug-members@sllug.org http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------- Mat Murdock mmurdock@kimballequipment.com Kimball Equipment Company 801-972-2121 From fozz at xmission.com Mon Nov 24 19:39:25 2008 From: fozz at xmission.com (Doran Barton) Date: Mon Nov 24 19:05:19 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <200811241939.25296.fozz@xmission.com> On Monday 24 November 2008 02:56:19 pm mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with: > > M0n0wall? I really disliked using it. I did some work for a company that was running a pretty substantial corporate data center behind a m0n0wall box booting off a floppy. I immediately distrusted it when I found out it was written in PHP, but had no problems with it that I could attribute directly to the language it was written in. Most of the problems I had were because the dang thing was booting from the universe's most unreliable form of storage media. If you do this, make sure you make a local backup each and every time you change anything. M0n0wall is probably fine for a personal firewall, but I don't think after my experience I'd ever recommend it for a corporate firewall. > Any other suggestions? I've become quite enamored with Shorewall. I know it's not the boot-from-a-floppy solution you're looking for, but man, it rocks. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "We're Intellect Cultivation and Sensitivity" -- Seen on a pencilcase in Japan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/attachments/20081124/b50e3f25/attachment.pgp From mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com Mon Nov 24 20:59:33 2008 From: mwarnock at ridgecrestherbals.com (Matt Warnock) Date: Mon Nov 24 20:25:34 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> Message-ID: <1227585573.1444.103.camel@mw3.ridgecrestherbals.com> Running from CD doesn't mean it can't be hacked. It just means that a reboot returns you to a known state, which once hacked, means it can be hacked again. :^) - Matt Warnock, President RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 14:56 -0700, mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: > I'm looking for a firewall solution. I want something that I can run > from CD so that it cannot be hacked. If I screw up the settings > that's one thing, but I want to be sure that it can't be hacked. > > I'm running it on older Pentium III hardware. I will have 3 ethernet > interfaces: eth0 for connection to my DSL router; eth1 for connection > to my LAN, eth2 for connection to my DMZ and server. > > Does anyone have any experience with: > > M0n0wall? > > Floppyfw? > > Any other suggestions? > > Mark > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members From u235sentinel at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 21:25:51 2008 From: u235sentinel at gmail.com (u235sentinel) Date: Mon Nov 24 20:52:44 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <1227585573.1444.103.camel@mw3.ridgecrestherbals.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <1227585573.1444.103.camel@mw3.ridgecrestherbals.com> Message-ID: <492B7E4F.2010908@gmail.com> Matt Warnock wrote: > Running from CD doesn't mean it can't be hacked. It just means that a > reboot returns you to a known state, which once hacked, means it can be > hacked again. :^) > - > Matt Warnock, President > RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. > > > Shhh... don't tell him. You're giving up our best secrets dude ;-) From kmahan at xmission.com Mon Nov 24 21:30:27 2008 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Mon Nov 24 20:56:17 2008 Subject: [sllug-members]: firewall In-Reply-To: <200811241939.25296.fozz@xmission.com> References: <2B2CEF0E4EE10B449E5D9BB95E6DA0E8096DA9@MAIL2.csw.l-3com.com> <200811241939.25296.fozz@xmission.com> Message-ID: <492B7F63.2020409@xmission.com> Doran Barton wrote: > On Monday 24 November 2008 02:56:19 pm mark.k.spute@l-3com.com wrote: > >> Does anyone have any experience with: >> >> M0n0wall? >> > > I really disliked using it. I did some work for a company that was running a > pretty substantial corporate data center behind a m0n0wall box booting off a > floppy. I immediately distrusted it when I found out it was written in PHP, > but had no problems with it that I could attribute directly to the language > it was written in. Most of the problems I had were because the dang thing was > booting from the universe's most unreliable form of storage media. If you do > this, make sure you make a local backup each and every time you change > anything. > I'm not sure about your points. The only PHP piece in m0n0wall is the customized web gui to manage the configuration. The core is a stock BSD. As for booting off of floppy -- that's one way to do it. I sure don't. I boot my system off a write protected CF card. My system doesn't have a floppy or CD. I keep a DD image of the CF card. --Kurt > M0n0wall is probably fine for a personal firewall, but I don't think after my > experience I'd ever recommend it for a corporate firewall. > > >> Any other suggestions? >> > > I've become quite enamored with Shorewall. I know it's not the > boot-from-a-floppy solution you're looking for, but man, it rocks. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links. > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah > sllug-members@sllug.org > http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members >