[sllug-members]: Re: sllug-members Digest, Vol 41, Issue 5

Steve Hildebrand stevehildebrand757 at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 3 08:28:31 MST 2008


Now that I have a working hard drive again, I should be able to GIMP up a few flyers and such, as a fall-back.

"Plus I'm a pain in the ass when it comes to contacting Politicians. 
There are a few out there who hear from me about Utopia and Comcast's 
marketing fraud frequently.  Hell, now I'm working with a couple of 
Politicians in D.C. to push through a bill which would prohibit State 
Lawmakers from messing with Utopia... Again (note S.B. 66)."

Drop the list on us, we can start getting petitions and names out to the public.  Voters calling in to the reps about UTOPIA should catch their attention.

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Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...
> There is a large front-page story in the Salt Lake Tribune on Monday
> 31-Dec-2007 about financial difficulties in the UTOPIA Project, due
> both to delayed federal government funding, and a customer base that
> is 1/3 the size of that predicted.

This is disturbing to me on a number of levels. 

The Tribune ran an editorial today about this as well.

    http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7865012

I have supported UTOPIA from the get-go with some reservations. My
political views are fairly conservative so I'm leery of government
 programs
to do anything private companies, citizens, or organizations can do
 because
much more often than not, privately managed ventures are run more
effectvely than any comparable government program. Part of the reason
 for
that is because when you run a company, it's usually your neck that's
 on
the line and not something as vague and nebulous as "future tax
 revenues
of vested municipalities."

That being said, it's clear no private company was going to do what
 UTOPIA
is doing. For example, there's no way XMission could go out and by the
rights of way to deploy fiber optic lines to every home and business in
several cities, not just because of the expense, but also the
 procedural
difficulties of working with various city governments and so forth. The
best way to achieve what UTOPIA wants to achieve is a collaborative
 effort
between cities. 

But, because it is a government project without anything "real" to
 lose,
they don't have the same incentives to rush to "profitability" that a
private company does. City councils of vested municipalities need to
 treat
their pledges like a VC would treat their seed money: Push for results
 and
full disclosure! Otherwise, UTOPIA truly is destined for the route of
 most
every other government program: cost overruns, unmet deadlines, and
dissatisfied users.

Internet service providers that offer services over UTOPIA should have
stronger incentives, from UTOPIA, to increase the take rate. I am
completely ignorant of whether UTOPIA is already doing this or not.

Finally, I am very discouraged by the federal funding wrinkle in the
 story.
When we were operating our office in West Valley, we investigated
 UTOPIA
and were told it would be available soon. I continued to check on its
availability regularly until I was told the build-out in West Valley
 was
slowing or halting because UTOPIA had gotten federal money to build out
rural areas and was going to divert their attention to those projects.

I didn't think much of it at the time, but in retrospect, that was a
 BAD
MOVE! Changing your play mid-game is unfair to the cities that have
 pledged
future tax revenues, no matter how much money the federal government
 was
offering. UTOPIA should have said no to that and continued building out
areas that had been committed to. I believe, had they done that, the
 take
rates would probably be higher today than they currently are.

Comcast and Qwest, of course, continue to fight UTOPIA every way they
 can.
Unfortunately, they have a much larger marketing and public relations
budget to do so than UTOPIA has to fight back with. For that reason, I
believe it is only through grassroot efforts and through the marketing
and public relations budgets of the companies that stand to profit from
 the
UTOPIA infrastruture that the word can be spread. 

-- 
Doran L. Barton <fozz at xmission.com> - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and
 more!
 "Have many accidents here."
    -- Seen in a Tokyo traffic handbook



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Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...
> There is a large front-page story in the Salt Lake Tribune on Monday
> 31-Dec-2007 about financial difficulties in the UTOPIA Project, due
> both to delayed federal government funding, and a customer base that
> is 1/3 the size of that predicted.

This is disturbing to me on a number of levels. 

The Tribune ran an editorial today about this as well.

    http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7865012

I have supported UTOPIA from the get-go with some reservations. My
political views are fairly conservative so I'm leery of government
 programs
to do anything private companies, citizens, or organizations can do
 because
much more often than not, privately managed ventures are run more
effectvely than any comparable government program. Part of the reason
 for
that is because when you run a company, it's usually your neck that's
 on
the line and not something as vague and nebulous as "future tax
 revenues
of vested municipalities."

That being said, it's clear no private company was going to do what
 UTOPIA
is doing. For example, there's no way XMission could go out and by the
rights of way to deploy fiber optic lines to every home and business in
several cities, not just because of the expense, but also the
 procedural
difficulties of working with various city governments and so forth. The
best way to achieve what UTOPIA wants to achieve is a collaborative
 effort
between cities. 

But, because it is a government project without anything "real" to
 lose,
they don't have the same incentives to rush to "profitability" that a
private company does. City councils of vested municipalities need to
 treat
their pledges like a VC would treat their seed money: Push for results
 and
full disclosure! Otherwise, UTOPIA truly is destined for the route of
 most
every other government program: cost overruns, unmet deadlines, and
dissatisfied users.

Internet service providers that offer services over UTOPIA should have
stronger incentives, from UTOPIA, to increase the take rate. I am
completely ignorant of whether UTOPIA is already doing this or not.

Finally, I am very discouraged by the federal funding wrinkle in the
 story.
When we were operating our office in West Valley, we investigated
 UTOPIA
and were told it would be available soon. I continued to check on its
availability regularly until I was told the build-out in West Valley
 was
slowing or halting because UTOPIA had gotten federal money to build out
rural areas and was going to divert their attention to those projects.

I didn't think much of it at the time, but in retrospect, that was a
 BAD
MOVE! Changing your play mid-game is unfair to the cities that have
 pledged
future tax revenues, no matter how much money the federal government
 was
offering. UTOPIA should have said no to that and continued building out
areas that had been committed to. I believe, had they done that, the
 take
rates would probably be higher today than they currently are.

Comcast and Qwest, of course, continue to fight UTOPIA every way they
 can.
Unfortunately, they have a much larger marketing and public relations
budget to do so than UTOPIA has to fight back with. For that reason, I
believe it is only through grassroot efforts and through the marketing
and public relations budgets of the companies that stand to profit from
 the
UTOPIA infrastruture that the word can be spread. 

-- 
Doran L. Barton <fozz at xmission.com> - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and
 more!
 "Have many accidents here."
    -- Seen in a Tokyo traffic handbook



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> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:23:31 -0700
> From: fozz at xmission.com
> To: sllug-members at sllug.org
> Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] UTOPIA Project in the
 [bad] news
>
> Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...
>> There is a large front-page story in the Salt Lake Tribune on Monday
>> 31-Dec-2007 about financial difficulties in the UTOPIA Project, due
>> both to delayed federal government funding, and a customer base that
>> is 1/3 the size of that predicted.
>
> This is disturbing to me on a number of levels.
>[snip]
> Comcast and Qwest, of course, continue to fight UTOPIA every way they
 can.
> Unfortunately, they have a much larger marketing and public relations
> budget to do so than UTOPIA has to fight back with. For that reason,
 I
> believe it is only through grassroot efforts and through the
 marketing
> and public relations budgets of the companies that stand to profit
 from the
> UTOPIA infrastruture that the word can be spread.

I don't post to SLLUG very often, but UTOPIA is a topic that always
 gets my attention, and I'd like to do something to help it out.  Are there
 any audio/video/graphics people on the list (besides myself)?  If
 there are others interested in such a project and some way to get funding
 (Xmission?  Donations?) I'd like to help out with a newspaper ad,
 billboard, bus stop/bus-side poster, radio spot, or TV spot.  If there's
 enough interest from people with money, connections, or skills, we can put
 together a list of who can do what, plan an ad campaign, and divide
 responsibilities accordingly.

Any takers?

Mike Bourgeous

_________________________________________________________________
Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.
http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007


> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:23:31 -0700
> From: fozz at xmission.com
> To: sllug-members at sllug.org
> Subject: Re: [sllug-members]: [sllug-members] UTOPIA Project in the
 [bad] news
>
> Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...
>> There is a large front-page story in the Salt Lake Tribune on Monday
>> 31-Dec-2007 about financial difficulties in the UTOPIA Project, due
>> both to delayed federal government funding, and a customer base that
>> is 1/3 the size of that predicted.
>
> This is disturbing to me on a number of levels.
>[snip]
> Comcast and Qwest, of course, continue to fight UTOPIA every way they
 can.
> Unfortunately, they have a much larger marketing and public relations
> budget to do so than UTOPIA has to fight back with. For that reason,
 I
> believe it is only through grassroot efforts and through the
 marketing
> and public relations budgets of the companies that stand to profit
 from the
> UTOPIA infrastruture that the word can be spread.

I don't post to SLLUG very often, but UTOPIA is a topic that always
 gets my attention, and I'd like to do something to help it out.  Are there
 any audio/video/graphics people on the list (besides myself)?  If
 there are others interested in such a project and some way to get funding
 (Xmission?  Donations?) I'd like to help out with a newspaper ad,
 billboard, bus stop/bus-side poster, radio spot, or TV spot.  If there's
 enough interest from people with money, connections, or skills, we can put
 together a list of who can do what, plan an ad campaign, and divide
 responsibilities accordingly.

Any takers?

Mike Bourgeous

_________________________________________________________________
Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.
http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007


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Mike Bourgeous wrote:

>> Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...

> 
> I don't post to SLLUG very often, but UTOPIA is a topic that always
 gets my

  attention, and I'd like to do something to help it out.  Are there
 any

audio/video/graphics people on the list (besides myself)?  If there are

others interested in such a project and some way to get funding 
(Xmission?  Donations?)

  I'd like to help out with a newspaper ad, billboard, bus
 stop/bus-side 
poster, radio spot,

  or TV spot.  If there's enough interest from people with money, 
connections, or skills, we

  can put together a list of who can do what, plan an ad campaign, and 
divide

responsibilities accordingly.
> 
> Any takers?
> 
> Mike Bourgeous

I may be able to help with some of this.  My wife and I own a DVD video
 
company (TimeCapsules on DVD) and have worked with audio/video to DVD. 
So we have some skills putting videos together.

Plus I'm a pain in the ass when it comes to contacting Politicians. 
There are a few out there who hear from me about Utopia and Comcast's 
marketing fraud frequently.  Hell, now I'm working with a couple of 
Politicians in D.C. to push through a bill which would prohibit State 
Lawmakers from messing with Utopia... Again (note S.B. 66).

I'd be happy to help where I can.


Mike Bourgeous wrote:

>> Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...

> 
> I don't post to SLLUG very often, but UTOPIA is a topic that always
 gets my

  attention, and I'd like to do something to help it out.  Are there
 any

audio/video/graphics people on the list (besides myself)?  If there are

others interested in such a project and some way to get funding 
(Xmission?  Donations?)

  I'd like to help out with a newspaper ad, billboard, bus
 stop/bus-side 
poster, radio spot,

  or TV spot.  If there's enough interest from people with money, 
connections, or skills, we

  can put together a list of who can do what, plan an ad campaign, and 
divide

responsibilities accordingly.
> 
> Any takers?
> 
> Mike Bourgeous

I may be able to help with some of this.  My wife and I own a DVD video
 
company (TimeCapsules on DVD) and have worked with audio/video to DVD. 
So we have some skills putting videos together.

Plus I'm a pain in the ass when it comes to contacting Politicians. 
There are a few out there who hear from me about Utopia and Comcast's 
marketing fraud frequently.  Hell, now I'm working with a couple of 
Politicians in D.C. to push through a bill which would prohibit State 
Lawmakers from messing with Utopia... Again (note S.B. 66).

I'd be happy to help where I can.



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Doran L. Barton wrote:
> Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...
{snip}
> 
> This is disturbing to me on a number of levels. 
> 
> The Tribune ran an editorial today about this as well.
> 
>     http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7865012
> 
> I have supported UTOPIA from the get-go with some reservations. My
> political views are fairly conservative so I'm leery of government
 programs
> to do anything private companies, citizens, or organizations can do
 because
> much more often than not, privately managed ventures are run more
> effectvely than any comparable government program. Part of the reason
 for
> that is because when you run a company, it's usually your neck that's
 on
> the line and not something as vague and nebulous as "future tax
 revenues
> of vested municipalities."
> {snip}
> 
> 
I posted responses to this as discussed in several forums and here was 
my response to each of them:


Uhhh.. it sounds like you copied your homework from somebody else's 
paper, and they didn't provide complete answers from the looks of it.

The facts are very different from what I see.

You failed to mention that:

- The Qwest lawsuit against Utopia taking resources to defend against 
that (it was ruled in Utopia's favor btw)
- Qwest's illegal practices to block access to telephone poles
- Government delays with disbursing money from the RUS loan
- The insinuation that UTOPIA has put tax dollars at risk when not one 
red cent of money has been taken from pledging cities to cover 
operations or the debt service
- Paul Morris left UTOPIA to go into semi-retirement and Roger Black
 has 
his hands full as the lawyer for the Utah League of Cities and Towns.
- S.B. 66 heavy restrictions against Utopia which give an unfair 
advantage to companies such as Qwest or Comcast.

The article from the Trib doesn't measure up to their usual high level 
of reporting.

Considering what's happened these last few years, when you set out to 
make a project fail, it's likely you will succeed especially with the 
Governments help (note S.B. 66 and recent legislation by Senator 
Stephenson and Rep. Craig Frank).

So how about it?  Does it sound like Utopia is fighting an up hill 
battle or they simply failed because they are stupid?


Doran L. Barton wrote:
> Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...
{snip}
> 
> This is disturbing to me on a number of levels. 
> 
> The Tribune ran an editorial today about this as well.
> 
>     http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7865012
> 
> I have supported UTOPIA from the get-go with some reservations. My
> political views are fairly conservative so I'm leery of government
 programs
> to do anything private companies, citizens, or organizations can do
 because
> much more often than not, privately managed ventures are run more
> effectvely than any comparable government program. Part of the reason
 for
> that is because when you run a company, it's usually your neck that's
 on
> the line and not something as vague and nebulous as "future tax
 revenues
> of vested municipalities."
> {snip}
> 
> 
I posted responses to this as discussed in several forums and here was 
my response to each of them:


Uhhh.. it sounds like you copied your homework from somebody else's 
paper, and they didn't provide complete answers from the looks of it.

The facts are very different from what I see.

You failed to mention that:

- The Qwest lawsuit against Utopia taking resources to defend against 
that (it was ruled in Utopia's favor btw)
- Qwest's illegal practices to block access to telephone poles
- Government delays with disbursing money from the RUS loan
- The insinuation that UTOPIA has put tax dollars at risk when not one 
red cent of money has been taken from pledging cities to cover 
operations or the debt service
- Paul Morris left UTOPIA to go into semi-retirement and Roger Black
 has 
his hands full as the lawyer for the Utah League of Cities and Towns.
- S.B. 66 heavy restrictions against Utopia which give an unfair 
advantage to companies such as Qwest or Comcast.

The article from the Trib doesn't measure up to their usual high level 
of reporting.

Considering what's happened these last few years, when you set out to 
make a project fail, it's likely you will succeed especially with the 
Governments help (note S.B. 66 and recent legislation by Senator 
Stephenson and Rep. Craig Frank).

So how about it?  Does it sound like Utopia is fighting an up hill 
battle or they simply failed because they are stupid?



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I wonder how much Qwest paid to get that article on the front page of
the Tribune?
I only ask because they keep refering to it as a "Telecom" venture.
When it's clearly not, it's an infrastructure build out, like a
highway or a water main.  Not a "business venture" like a McDonalds.
Comcast rarely ever uses that language per se in their stuff.   Their
language tends to emphasize the information and services aspect.

The other thing that people keep forgetting to mention in these
"articles" is that Qwest, Comcast and your Uncle Roy are all on a
level playing field in that they are all able to provide services over
Utopia.  This means that literally anyone, given a sufficient sum of
start-up capital open their own ISP/TV/VOIP company.  This increases
competition in the marketplace, and reduces the costs to consumers
while keeping incumbents competitive and on their toes.
Even IF Utopia had to cash in some chips and municipalities actually
ended up paying the bill.
How many MILLIONS will have been saved to the citizenry by forcing the
incumbent providers to compete for customers?
And all for what?  Some sales tax revenue?

We aren't talking about an increase to property taxes,  we aren't even
talking about raising sales tax to cover it.  Worst case scenario,
money you have already spent is being paid back to you by forcing the
incumbents to compete, thereby lowering your cost of service from any
given provider.

If they spent 1/2 the money on customer service that they do on
lawsuits, the incumbent providers might actually have decent service
and a good reputation thereby not having to even fight off something
like Utopia.
But as it stands now that old line from Lily Tomlin is still the rule
"We don't care.  We don't have to, we're the phone company!"

Sincerely,
Steve Morrey

On Jan 3, 2008 7:29 AM, u235sentinel <u235sentinel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Doran L. Barton wrote:
> > Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...
> {snip}
> >
> > This is disturbing to me on a number of levels.
> >
> > The Tribune ran an editorial today about this as well.
> >
> >     http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7865012
> >
> > I have supported UTOPIA from the get-go with some reservations. My
> > political views are fairly conservative so I'm leery of government
 programs
> > to do anything private companies, citizens, or organizations can do
 because
> > much more often than not, privately managed ventures are run more
> > effectvely than any comparable government program. Part of the
 reason for
> > that is because when you run a company, it's usually your neck
 that's on
> > the line and not something as vague and nebulous as "future tax
 revenues
> > of vested municipalities."
> > {snip}
> >
> >
> I posted responses to this as discussed in several forums and here
 was
> my response to each of them:
>
>
> Uhhh.. it sounds like you copied your homework from somebody else's
> paper, and they didn't provide complete answers from the looks of it.
>
> The facts are very different from what I see.
>
> You failed to mention that:
>
> - The Qwest lawsuit against Utopia taking resources to defend against
> that (it was ruled in Utopia's favor btw)
> - Qwest's illegal practices to block access to telephone poles
> - Government delays with disbursing money from the RUS loan
> - The insinuation that UTOPIA has put tax dollars at risk when not
 one
> red cent of money has been taken from pledging cities to cover
> operations or the debt service
> - Paul Morris left UTOPIA to go into semi-retirement and Roger Black
 has
> his hands full as the lawyer for the Utah League of Cities and Towns.
> - S.B. 66 heavy restrictions against Utopia which give an unfair
> advantage to companies such as Qwest or Comcast.
>
> The article from the Trib doesn't measure up to their usual high
 level
> of reporting.
>
> Considering what's happened these last few years, when you set out to
> make a project fail, it's likely you will succeed especially with the
> Governments help (note S.B. 66 and recent legislation by Senator
> Stephenson and Rep. Craig Frank).
>
> So how about it?  Does it sound like Utopia is fighting an up hill
> battle or they simply failed because they are stupid?
>
>
 ______________________________________________________________________
> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links.
> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah
> sllug-members at sllug.org
> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members
>


I wonder how much Qwest paid to get that article on the front page of
the Tribune?
I only ask because they keep refering to it as a "Telecom" venture.
When it's clearly not, it's an infrastructure build out, like a
highway or a water main.  Not a "business venture" like a McDonalds.
Comcast rarely ever uses that language per se in their stuff.   Their
language tends to emphasize the information and services aspect.

The other thing that people keep forgetting to mention in these
"articles" is that Qwest, Comcast and your Uncle Roy are all on a
level playing field in that they are all able to provide services over
Utopia.  This means that literally anyone, given a sufficient sum of
start-up capital open their own ISP/TV/VOIP company.  This increases
competition in the marketplace, and reduces the costs to consumers
while keeping incumbents competitive and on their toes.
Even IF Utopia had to cash in some chips and municipalities actually
ended up paying the bill.
How many MILLIONS will have been saved to the citizenry by forcing the
incumbent providers to compete for customers?
And all for what?  Some sales tax revenue?

We aren't talking about an increase to property taxes,  we aren't even
talking about raising sales tax to cover it.  Worst case scenario,
money you have already spent is being paid back to you by forcing the
incumbents to compete, thereby lowering your cost of service from any
given provider.

If they spent 1/2 the money on customer service that they do on
lawsuits, the incumbent providers might actually have decent service
and a good reputation thereby not having to even fight off something
like Utopia.
But as it stands now that old line from Lily Tomlin is still the rule
"We don't care.  We don't have to, we're the phone company!"

Sincerely,
Steve Morrey

On Jan 3, 2008 7:29 AM, u235sentinel <u235sentinel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Doran L. Barton wrote:
> > Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...
> {snip}
> >
> > This is disturbing to me on a number of levels.
> >
> > The Tribune ran an editorial today about this as well.
> >
> >     http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7865012
> >
> > I have supported UTOPIA from the get-go with some reservations. My
> > political views are fairly conservative so I'm leery of government
 programs
> > to do anything private companies, citizens, or organizations can do
 because
> > much more often than not, privately managed ventures are run more
> > effectvely than any comparable government program. Part of the
 reason for
> > that is because when you run a company, it's usually your neck
 that's on
> > the line and not something as vague and nebulous as "future tax
 revenues
> > of vested municipalities."
> > {snip}
> >
> >
> I posted responses to this as discussed in several forums and here
 was
> my response to each of them:
>
>
> Uhhh.. it sounds like you copied your homework from somebody else's
> paper, and they didn't provide complete answers from the looks of it.
>
> The facts are very different from what I see.
>
> You failed to mention that:
>
> - The Qwest lawsuit against Utopia taking resources to defend against
> that (it was ruled in Utopia's favor btw)
> - Qwest's illegal practices to block access to telephone poles
> - Government delays with disbursing money from the RUS loan
> - The insinuation that UTOPIA has put tax dollars at risk when not
 one
> red cent of money has been taken from pledging cities to cover
> operations or the debt service
> - Paul Morris left UTOPIA to go into semi-retirement and Roger Black
 has
> his hands full as the lawyer for the Utah League of Cities and Towns.
> - S.B. 66 heavy restrictions against Utopia which give an unfair
> advantage to companies such as Qwest or Comcast.
>
> The article from the Trib doesn't measure up to their usual high
 level
> of reporting.
>
> Considering what's happened these last few years, when you set out to
> make a project fail, it's likely you will succeed especially with the
> Governments help (note S.B. 66 and recent legislation by Senator
> Stephenson and Rep. Craig Frank).
>
> So how about it?  Does it sound like Utopia is fighting an up hill
> battle or they simply failed because they are stupid?
>
>
 ______________________________________________________________________
> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links.
> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah
> sllug-members at sllug.org
> http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-members
>



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I have 3 years experience with graphics, and I have some CD/DVD duplication equipment, if there is anything I can do just say so!

-Tom

On Jan 3, 2008 7:26 AM, u235sentinel <
u235sentinel at gmail.com> wrote:
Mike Bourgeous wrote:

>> Not long ago, Nelson H. F. Beebe proclaimed...


>

> I don't post to SLLUG very often, but UTOPIA is a topic that always gets my

  attention, and I'd like to do something to help it out.  Are there any

audio/video/graphics people on the list (besides myself)?  If there are


others interested in such a project and some way to get funding
(Xmission?  Donations?)

  I'd like to help out with a newspaper ad, billboard, bus stop/bus-side
poster, radio spot,

  or TV spot.  If there's enough interest from people with money,

connections, or skills, we

  can put together a list of who can do what, plan an ad campaign, and
divide

responsibilities accordingly.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Mike Bourgeous



I may be able to help with some of this.  My wife and I own a DVD video
company (TimeCapsules on DVD) and have worked with audio/video to DVD.
So we have some skills putting videos together.

Plus I'm a pain in the ass when it comes to contacting Politicians.

There are a few out there who hear from me about Utopia and Comcast's
marketing fraud frequently.  Hell, now I'm working with a couple of
Politicians in D.C. to push through a bill which would prohibit State

Lawmakers from messing with Utopia... Again (note S.B. 66).

I'd be happy to help where I can.

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