[sllug-members]: Re: UTOPIA Education: sllug-members Digest, Vol 41, Issue 14

Mon Jan 7 11:28:33 MST 2008

>Yeah.  That pretty much sums up Mayor Newton.  I wonder where we would 
>be with electricity and telephones without the Government running those

>lines.  But of course that doesn't matter to him.  Just because they
 did 
>it again and again and again and again and .........

If he wants to believe that privatization is the panacea for all ills, that doesn't bother me, but clearly it typically fails when it comes to municipal services.  Blind adherence to ideology in the face of demonstrable facts galls me a bit.

>Full circle until the opponents to that study are fired... errr... I 
>mean replaced in the next election :-)

>3 of the 4 Council Members who were against Utopia in West Jordan have 
>been replaced with members who are willing to look into it.  They 
>realize we cannot ignore this problem for much longer.  After all, the 
>rest of the world is moving far ahead of us.  We're quickly approaching

>17th place in the world for Internet speed and service.  Is that a 
>comfortable place for the Tech King of the world???

Depends on how small of a world you are considering.  :)

Since the council members have been replaced, I will start emailing them again next week and see where they all stand.

>Unfortunately IMO it's because the end user doesn't have a clue how 
>badly he has it.

>They "think" they are getting a great deal with Qwest or Concast but 
>don't realize our infrastructure is mediocre at best in comparison.

It is tricky to show the non-tech savvy what they can actually do with their Internet connection and computer.  Most home users really would be as well off with an email web device that streams video.  If XBox Live had a decent general interface for the web, home PC sales would likely drop precipitously.  :)

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I wanted to let everyone know about the podcasts that have been
available for meetings that have been streamed/recorded.  They're
 available at
http://podcast.utosf.org.  These presentations are available from many
of the LUGs around the state.  Check them out...

Please let us know what you think as we'd like to do more and better
versions in the future.  If you'd like to have your meetings streamed
and recorded, please let us know.

Cheers,

Clint

I wanted to let everyone know about the podcasts that have been
available for meetings that have been streamed/recorded.  They're
 available at
http://podcast.utosf.org.  These presentations are available from many
of the LUGs around the state.  Check them out...

Please let us know what you think as we'd like to do more and better
versions in the future.  If you'd like to have your meetings streamed
and recorded, please let us know.

Cheers,

Clint

My comrade-in-arms here at XMission has written an outstanding  
editorial in favor of UTOPIA. It appears in this morning's Salt Lake  
Tribune:

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7890855

-mp

'Computers are very simple. The hard part is keeping them that way.'

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That is excellent! Great work Warren!

I would venture to say the next article we need to have, maybe from
UTOPIA themselves, is an educational piece. An explanation of what the
network is and the future of what it can do.

If only people knew the true value of this network.

On Jan 6, 2008 8:48 AM, Michael Place <mp at xmission.com> wrote:
> My comrade-in-arms here at XMission has written an outstanding
> editorial in favor of UTOPIA. It appears in this morning's Salt Lake
> Tribune:
>
> http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7890855
>
> -mp
>
> 'Computers are very simple. The hard part is keeping them that way.'
>
>
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Adam Barrett
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That is excellent! Great work Warren!

I would venture to say the next article we need to have, maybe from
UTOPIA themselves, is an educational piece. An explanation of what the
network is and the future of what it can do.

If only people knew the true value of this network.

On Jan 6, 2008 8:48 AM, Michael Place <mp at xmission.com> wrote:
> My comrade-in-arms here at XMission has written an outstanding
> editorial in favor of UTOPIA. It appears in this morning's Salt Lake
> Tribune:
>
> http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7890855
>
> -mp
>
> 'Computers are very simple. The hard part is keeping them that way.'
>
>
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-- 
Adam Barrett
dragen at gmail.com

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Excellent well thought out response.
I agree with the airport analogy.
Imagine how much worse off we would be without Salt lake
International, or even worse what would have happened if each airline
had to build their own airport with Tax dollars?

Sincerely,
Steve

On Jan 6, 2008 8:48 AM, Michael Place <mp at xmission.com> wrote:
> My comrade-in-arms here at XMission has written an outstanding
> editorial in favor of UTOPIA. It appears in this morning's Salt Lake
> Tribune:
>
> http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7890855
>
> -mp
>
> 'Computers are very simple. The hard part is keeping them that way.'
>
>
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Excellent well thought out response.
I agree with the airport analogy.
Imagine how much worse off we would be without Salt lake
International, or even worse what would have happened if each airline
had to build their own airport with Tax dollars?

Sincerely,
Steve

On Jan 6, 2008 8:48 AM, Michael Place <mp at xmission.com> wrote:
> My comrade-in-arms here at XMission has written an outstanding
> editorial in favor of UTOPIA. It appears in this morning's Salt Lake
> Tribune:
>
> http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7890855
>
> -mp
>
> 'Computers are very simple. The hard part is keeping them that way.'
>
>
 ______________________________________________________________________
> See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information, links.
> Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel #Utah
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Adam's point is correct, but I'd like to add one or two additional
comments.

15/50M fiber networks are still relatively rare. If we're to show
citizens of Utah the value of such a network, I would argue that we
 have
an obligation, as technologists and developers to focus some attention
on writing applications and producing content for our friends and
neighbors that uniquely illustrate the value of the UTOPIA
infrastructure. 

Telling people they can get 300 HD network channels might well be less
appealing to many people than telling them 2-3 unique, local and
targeted educational opportunities for their children, produced by the
community and made available for those on the network. It's all about
the content and precious little content on the public Internet is built
to take advantage of what UTOPIA can truly bring.

It's great that UTOPIA allows us quick .iso downloads and speedy
torrents, but wouldn't it be truly compelling if we could give people
 on
the network access to their community in unique ways that only massive
broadband projects can provide?

Perhaps what I'm really saying is this: get coding, get producing, get
hacking. ;]

-mp

On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 09:27 -0700, Adam Barrett wrote:
> That is excellent! Great work Warren!
> 
> I would venture to say the next article we need to have, maybe from
> UTOPIA themselves, is an educational piece. An explanation of what
 the
> network is and the future of what it can do.
> 
> If only people knew the true value of this network.
> 
> On Jan 6, 2008 8:48 AM, Michael Place <mp at xmission.com> wrote:
> > My comrade-in-arms here at XMission has written an outstanding
> > editorial in favor of UTOPIA. It appears in this morning's Salt
 Lake
> > Tribune:
> >
> > http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7890855
> >
> > -mp
> >
> > 'Computers are very simple. The hard part is keeping them that
 way.'
> >
> >
 ______________________________________________________________________
> > See http://www.sllug.org/ for latest SLLUG news, information,
 links.
> > Join SLLUG and other UT LUG members on irc.FreeNode.net channel
 #Utah
> > sllug-members at sllug.org
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> >
> 
> 
> 

Adam's point is correct, but I'd like to add one or two additional
comments.

15/50M fiber networks are still relatively rare. If we're to show
citizens of Utah the value of such a network, I would argue that we
 have
an obligation, as technologists and developers to focus some attention
on writing applications and producing content for our friends and
neighbors that uniquely illustrate the value of the UTOPIA
infrastructure. 

Telling people they can get 300 HD network channels might well be less
appealing to many people than telling them 2-3 unique, local and
targeted educational opportunities for their children, produced by the
community and made available for those on the network. It's all about
the content and precious little content on the public Internet is built
to take advantage of what UTOPIA can truly bring.

It's great that UTOPIA allows us quick .iso downloads and speedy
torrents, but wouldn't it be truly compelling if we could give people
 on
the network access to their community in unique ways that only massive
broadband projects can provide?

Perhaps what I'm really saying is this: get coding, get producing, get
hacking. ;]

-mp

On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 09:27 -0700, Adam Barrett wrote:
> That is excellent! Great work Warren!
> 
> I would venture to say the next article we need to have, maybe from
> UTOPIA themselves, is an educational piece. An explanation of what
 the
> network is and the future of what it can do.
> 
> If only people knew the true value of this network.
> 
> On Jan 6, 2008 8:48 AM, Michael Place <mp at xmission.com> wrote:
> > My comrade-in-arms here at XMission has written an outstanding
> > editorial in favor of UTOPIA. It appears in this morning's Salt
 Lake
> > Tribune:
> >
> > http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7890855
> >
> > -mp
> >
> > 'Computers are very simple. The hard part is keeping them that
 way.'
> >
> >
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> 
> 

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