[sllug-members]: Re: [UPHPU] Project Planning Software

[Trevyn Meyer]

Does extreme programming fall into this category? 

http://www.extremeprogramming.org/

I dont see "yet" how UML diagrams ect can even exist in a marketplace 
like web development.  Especially when most customers are visionary, and 
the developers and UML people.  extreme programming, allthough I dont 
follow it completly, seems like th ebest planning tool for me.

Whiteboard/document --> program,
Whiteboard/document --> program,
Whiteboard/document --> program,
Whiteboard/document --> program,
Whiteboard/document --> program,

Its very hard to budget/bid on projects, but that is the art of project 
management imho

Trevyn


MilesTogoe wrote:
> well, everyone will likely have their own approach but I think it 
> breaks down into 2 categories: data driven and whiteboardish.
> On the data driven there are the big players: Primavera, MS Project, 
> Gnome Project, yada, yada - they require a fair amount of maintenance 
> with formal procedures - advantage being it gives you data backed 
> queries / reports.  There are probably a zillion "leaner" packages as 
> well.
>
> On the whiteboard side: well, if you are on Windows, it's hard to beat 
> Visio for flowcharting, displays, etc.  In fact it's the only app I 
> really miss on Linux (oh there's Dia, Kivio, etc but they really don't 
> measure up to even the pre-MS Visio).   For the most flexibility, we 
> use Inkscape.  We mockup web pages  in Inkscape (my awesome tip of the 
> year - since it's really easy to group divs and move them around, 
> recolor, change fonts, etc) and just sketch up program flow diagrams 
> the same way we would on a whiteboard.  A tablet makes this an awesome 
> productive experience.  Advantage over a real whiteboard is that the 
> diagrams can just be saved, reused, emailed around - the SVG format 
> can be simply displayed in Firefox, Safari, and Opera (and with plugin 
> on dumb & dumber IE).  Probably could view SVG on an iPhone as well 
> (that's pretty cool for communication).  And of course Inkscape 
> drawings can be easily saved to png or pdf as well.  
>
>
> William Attwood wrote:
>> Hello Locals.
>>
>>    I'm an organizational creative.  I like to diagram flowcharts 
>> prior to
>> tackling a project, and adjust them to meet changes as they happen.  
>> This
>> seems to make it so management can see the project a lot easier than 
>> if I
>> was trying to explain the code workings to them.
>>
>>    I am wondering, what software do you use to plan projects? Microsoft
>> Visio for ORM/UML diagrams?  Some open-source application?
>>
>>    I ran across LovelyCharts based in Flex, and was surprised that it 
>> does
>> the linking for you and "Assumes" what you mean, allowing you to correct
>> that assumption if need be.  Is there other software out there that 
>> is like
>> this or better, saving time and making the diagramming and planning 
>> process
>> easier?  What do you use?
>>
>> Thanks guys
>> --Will
>>
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