[sllug-members]: Comcast has problems

[Matthew Hatch]

Can I unsubscribe from a conversation?  :)  I was intrigued by the
original post by u235Sentinel, but once it became a flame war, I lost
interest fast.

Hopefully I speak for us all when I say "Next topic, please."

Allen Parker wrote:
> On 1/22/07, Josh Coates <jcoates at archive.org> wrote:
>> thanks for that stellar flame job allen and making this discussion
>> personal.
> Personal is calling another user 'stupid.' I'm sure your parents
> taught you better.
> 
>> since I think you may actually be serious, i'll take the bait and
>> comment on your points:
>>
>> >I'll be using >300GB this month on comcast, since I'm doing full disk
>> >backups of 2 machines prior to moving service providers. Does that
>> >mean that backing up my data is 'stupid' ?
>>
>> in your case, yes.  uploading 300GB over Comcast (386 kbps upload
>> speed) means it would take you over 70 days to perform this operation
>> under the best of circumstances.  why would you take monopolize your
>> upstream bandwidth 24/7 for two months just to switch service
>> providers?  you ask if i think this is stupid?  yes, it probably is.
>>
> Who the hell said anything about uploading 300GB? we're talking about
> downloads.
> 
>> >Remote mysql binlogging
>>
>> do you know any home users that mirror 250GB mysql databases that get
>> 250GB of new records every month - oh, and for non-business use?  i
>> didn't think so.
> 
> I know one privately run site that has over 250GB of db *CHANGE*
> activity every month, which they replicate to a local machine for
> long-term storage and incremental backups.
> 
>> >Keeping a cluster of freebsd/debian/gentoo/redhat/whatever machines
>> up to date
>>
>> 250GB of apt-get update?  every month?  um...maybe 25GB but 250?  nuh uh.
> 
> Sure, why not? The user could be *not* using a local
> debian/gentoo/redhat mirror and have world+dog installed, which they
> keep up to date 3 times per day on 4-5 different machines which are
> all running unstable/rawhide/~arch on, it doesn't seem completely
> out-of-hand to me.
> 
>> >Running a home-based business where you're hitting windowsupdate on
>> <250 completely unpatched machines every month
>>
>> i'm not a lawyer, but i'm pretty sure running a home based business
>> off of a home Comcast line is against the EULA.  and if it isn't, then
>> it would be stupid to try run your business on it when your business
>> is large enough to require 250 work stations.
> 
> I know lots of guys that do hardware building at home that use
> comcast/qwest/speakeasy home lines to patch client machines. And
> again, I didn't say anything about 250 concurrent, all it'd take is
> say avg 7-8 machines/day for wipe and reload style tech support (seen
> it, done it, got the t-shirt). Figuring each machine is 1GB in
> updates, and 250 machines are moved through every month, it's not
> entirely unreasonable (we're talking xp/2000 with no service packs, as
> the OEM 5-packs usually don't have service packs slipstreamed).
> 
>> even still, the patches are very small.  the server packs can be
>> burned on CDs and a local server can be setup.  again, you'd have to
>> be stupid admin to try and do it over the WAN on 250 machines.
> 
> Uninformed, lacking resources, etc... I worked in a shop where I was
> the only person that knew how to make the local server (which had the
> space) a caching proxy specifically for windows updates. 3 employees
> were cranking through ~20 boxes/day with windows/virus/anti-spyware
> updates, and yet despite having the knowledge, I never got the
> go-ahead from the boss to get the job done, so making judgements about
> what is and what is not stupid of another admin, especially on this
> list, is bad form, since many of the users on this list don't have the
> experience you must have to be so quick to say that everybody else is
> wrong, again, without having a clue about legit uses that other people
> might find.
> 
>> >Giving free wifi to your neighbors
>>
>> maybe if you gave free wifi to a couple of hundred of your neighbors
>> it would add up 250GB per month, and again, IANAL, but i'm pretty sure
>> this is against the comcast EULA.
> 
> 250GB isn't all that much, as per google:
> 250 (GB per month) = 0.77878308 megabit per second (which is less than
> I do on my little freebsd IRC server)
> 
> Your argument was just rendered moot. Do me at least a favor, and try
> to think before you write, it's quite disturbing to see someone you
> putting down people that don't have the same knowledgebase that you or
> I have.
> 
>>
>> allen, if you have anything useful to add to the discussion, that'd be
>> great.
>>
>> otherwise, your bridge is thattaway.  ;-)
> 
> I don't need a bridge, I'm not being verbally abusive to other members
> on this list ;-)
> 
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