[sllug-members]: Host my own, or pay someone?

Wed May 31 12:41:15 MDT 2006

I can't take it anymore!

On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 11:26 -0600, Adam Barrett wrote:
> --Another job well done!--
> 
> On 5/31/06, Chad <masterclc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/31/06, Adam Barrett <dragen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Chad,
> > >
> > > I went down this path recently too. Different hosting options,
> > > different needs, basic same problem.
> > >
> > > The conclusion I had was based on uptime. Obviously you will want to
> > > have a guarantee that your site is going to be up, and stay up.
> > >
> > > Erase any notions you have about Comcast and any memory you have about
> > > downtime. They are an on-demand service. Which means there is lag, and
> > > possible outage. They offer NO QoS at all. Not even on the workplace
> > > account. If it goes down there is no failsafe, there is nothing to
> > > help you stay in business.
> > >
> > > Hosting through Xmission will supply you with the backbone, a QoS, and
> > > uptime that is great.
> > >

Don't you people have any shame?

> > > Talk to the boys at Xmission about what you can and can't do to the
> > > server. You mention one of your concerns is storage space, think
> > > realistically about what you will be using the storage for on the
> > > server. Don't mix you business with your pleasure (ie, music storage).
> > > Keep the business end of this deal, business. If you really need the
> > > 750GB for storage, well then I would think your site is a little
> > > heavy, but more power to you.
> > >
> > > Personally for business, I would go with Xmission (or other host) to
> > > make sure that my site will always be available to the end user, cause
> > > they dont care if it is hosted in your basement or in a warehouse,
> > > they just want to get to the site.
> > >
> > > BTW - Site looks good, I need to take a longer look!
> > >
> > > On 5/31/06, Chad <masterclc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hello there linux fans!
> > > >
> > > > I'm about 2 inches away from my 'go live' for my business (shameless
> > > > plug http://www.pauselivetv.com ).  Right now it's being hosted on a
> > > > residential dynamic Comcast IP (my home linux server).  By the time
> > > > it's actual Go Live day hits I'd like to have it hosted correctly, on
> > > > a Commercial IP.
> > > >
> > > > So, I'm looking at hosting providers and Commercial ISP's.  I've not
> > > > completely decided upon these 2, but this is what I've narrowed down
> > > > to in my browsing:
> > > > Comcast Workplace vs Xmission
> > > >
> > > > Here's my problem, and hopefully you great folks can help me with deciding:
> > > >

I know you know that you shouldn't be top posting.

> > > > I have Comcast as my home ISP, and pay ~60/month for the internet and
> > > > extremely basic analog cable TV.  That's ~4mb/sec down and ~384kb/sec
> > > > up.  Comcast workplace will give me a static IP, ~6mb/sec down and
> > > > ~768/sec up, no port restrictions (though I don't have any with my
> > > > residential either), email blah, and other blah (the blah are things
> > > > that are of very little interest to me).   All at ~$110/month.  If I
> > > > went this route I'd drop my residential line, and use the Workplace
> > > > account for my home internet; meaning I'd see a new output of ~$50
> > > > additional bucks a month.
> > > > The benefit of this option:
> > > > I host my own.  I can do pretty much anything I want with my server,
> > > > including extremely niceties such as NFS'ing image directories, and
> > > > MUCH MUCH more.  I have pretty much the world as my oyster as far as
> > > > what my server includes; and what seems very important to me is
> > > > basically unlimited storage (currently capped at 750GB, due to my HD
> > > > sizes ;) ) and unlimited bandwidth.
> > > >
> > > > My other option:
> > > > Minimum account I'd even consider at Xmission costs me ~$50/month.
> > > > Obviously bandwidth far exceeds that of what I'd have piped into my
> > > > house as Xmission would host it on their >450mb/sec connection.  I'm
> > > > not sure how limited I'd be with what I can do with the server, but
> > > > I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be as easily tweaked as my own home server
> > > > (it's a decent IBM eServer P4 series), at least not for the $50
> > > > package.  I do get their excellent supply of geek knowledge!  And if I
> > > > keep my residential Comcast service, and add this, I'm at ~$110/month
> > > > here too; so money washes out if I go with the $50/month hosting
> > > > package at Xmission.
> > > >
> > > > So, in the end, anyone have any responses on which one to go with and
> > > > why?  Or even better, another option to throw into the mix?
> > > >
> > > > I linked to the site at the beginning of this message, so hopefully
> > > > you can see what I need and see what the site requirements might match
> > > > with (with other hosting providers and such); but, basically I need at
> > > > least 2 mysql db's, Apache with PHP enabled, >/=PHP 4.x, ~300mb
> > > > storage (for now), and if possible a SSL cert.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?  If I'm not clear on something, please ask, I'll be happy to clarify.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Chad
> > > > ______________________________________________________________________

I know you know that you should be trimming.

> >
> > Thanks for all the replies!
> >
> > I definitely don't need the 750GB, that's just what I have piled into
> > my server (as you noted, it is for my personal use).  I just like the
> > idea of having total control which is why I mentioned basically
> > unlimited storage.  I don't like worrying about how much space I'm
> > using or how much bandwidth I'm at; but definitely see the advantage
> > of using a real hosting provider.  Always on, plus the backbone are
> > very inticing options.  I thought about just calling them and telling
> > them basically what I emailed you guys to see what their thoughts
> > were, but I didn't want to insult them by saying "I can do what you
> > can offer me, but for cheaper".  :D
> >
> > The virtualhost sounds a lot like what I'm after, I'll check Xmission
> > and see if they offer that.  I'll also definitely check out the
> > mentioned links in these replies.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > Chad
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> 

If you don't know, it's time you learned. All of this laziness is
insulting. I don't stomp all over your living room in muddy shoes? What
makes it okay for you to disrespect everyone else?

No, I will not give up! Yes, I know you're tired of hearing people
complain about top posting an lazy trimming. Live with it. I tried to
live with all this insulting lack of basic netiquette and I've reached
my breaking point.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!

-- 
Stuart Jansen              e-mail/jabber: sjansen at buscaluz.org
                           google talk:   stuart.jansen at gmail.com

"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at 
the results." -- Winston Churchill
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