[sllug-members]: Potential Suse 10.2 Bug in browsing

[Stuart Jansen]

On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 20:33 -0700, Allen Parker wrote:
> You mean that LVM broke on one machine and one machine only, which
> happend to have the same major version #? I'm kind of wondering what
> LVM has to do with tcp though, could you clue me in?

The point was that even with rigorous Q&A, bug slip by. I didn't
discover the LVM snapshot issue, one of my co-workers did while updating
our LVM lab. (I work for a training company.) The lab isn't anything
fancy, a simple snapshot on a perfectly vanilla install. Or in other
words, it was an example of the kernel or a distributor being
responsible for a problem.

> When giving a user advice on where to start looking, use the KISS
> principle. If that user happens to be doing something fairly
> dangerous, like blaming gregkh (i'm sure you know who he is, since you
> read LKML) for a problem that is in all actuality probably user error
> in the first place, it's generally good form to warn them that they
> should be looking someplace else.

If you'd said "before you suspect the kernel, check for more likely
causes" instead of "never blame the kernel" I wouldn't have felt like
adding anything.

> Did you even read the rest of my email?

I think you misunderstood the thrust of my last two paragraphs. I was
illustrating the thought process I'd follow. In other words, I was
agreeing with you that when one is debugging, it's best to keep it
simple at first. I was not trying to help the original person posting. I
didn't actually think there was any chance TCP syncookies was the cause.
I threw it out to illustrate that you can't throw out the impossible
without investigating.

> PS: I generally don't like being flamed, so don't do it.

I'm going to interpret that as "Let's not turn this into a flame war"
not "You just flamed me."

If you thought I was flaming you, you'll just have to believe me when I
say I wasn't. I refuse to insert emoticons to make it obvious I wasn't
attacking you but instead providing a counterpoint to what I felt was an
extreme position on your part.

Before you argue you weren't being extreme, consider that you compared
"SL10.2 is behaving strangely, maybe it's the kernel, please help" to
the arrogance and idiocy of Tuttle.

-- 
Stuart Jansen              e-mail/jabber: sjansen at buscaluz.org
                           google talk:   stuart.jansen at gmail.com

"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at 
the results." -- Winston Churchill
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